Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for joining us again on the Body and
Speaker 1: Soul podcast Good Healthy Ish. I am the host of
Speaker 1: Felicity Haley and joining me in the hot seat today
Speaker 1: is our fabulous digital editor Holly Berkleman. And yes, we
Speaker 1: are dissecting the three hottest topics in the health and
Speaker 1: wellness well this week.
Speaker 2: Holly Delviish. Hello, how are you you're looking healthy ish today?
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: My Lissa's got like little waistcoat on a cute little necklace.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm living the body and Soul life this week. I
Speaker 3: am eating dense bean salad as we discussed the week
Speaker 3: Everywhere So good, yeah, which we talked to me exactly.
Speaker 3: And I've actually just started going to Polati's again Reformer,
Speaker 3: which I think is a great way to distract yourself
Speaker 3: from the fact that you're doing exercise because it's such
Speaker 3: a funny machine and I just just I'm fighting for
Speaker 3: my life on that thing, and I forget that I've
Speaker 3: actually done any strength training.
Speaker 2: It's great. I'm loving it. So are you? Is this
Speaker 2: something going to keep up? Or you just I think so.
Speaker 3: I'm not really in the mood for proper like weights
Speaker 3: or really running at the moment. And so I've started
Speaker 3: going back to Polarates with a friend and I am
Speaker 3: loving it. So I'm going to try and keep it up.
Speaker 1: Well as some of you might know, perhaps you know,
Speaker 1: I'm into the pilarates, get me.
Speaker 3: Okay, See I can't stand yoga. Well we're yin and
Speaker 3: yang totally.
Speaker 2: And that's why it works. Yes, I went last night.
Speaker 1: I went to Wonderlus yoga jam with with Michael Franti.
Speaker 1: Actually we had them on the podcast before and his
Speaker 1: wife Sarah, and I dragged the husband along and lovely,
Speaker 1: it was great. We had actually a really great date night.
Speaker 2: That's cute. I love. That's so healthful, it's very healthy.
Speaker 1: I felt like we need to go for a wine afterwards,
Speaker 1: but we had to get home for the babysitter.
Speaker 2: Damn it. Yeah. Anyway, what's happening this week?
Speaker 3: So my pick of the week. This is a funny story.
Speaker 3: The headline is want to network like a Silicon Valley
Speaker 3: tech bro head to the Sauna, which I love, I love.
Speaker 3: I think it's hilarious. But the days of solidifying a
Speaker 3: deal over a glass of scotch, like the Madman's style
Speaker 3: approach is apparently well and truly in the past, and
Speaker 3: this was reportedly pioneered by a Finnish entrepreneur called Hari Salomar,
Speaker 3: who wanted to introduce Finland's love of social saunas to
Speaker 3: the American startup world. And I didn't know this, but
Speaker 3: apparently there are more saunas than cars in Finland.
Speaker 2: Which is bonkers wow.
Speaker 3: Which I do know that in Scandinavia they have quite
Speaker 3: high tariffs on cars because they want to encourage like
Speaker 3: a walking culture. But Salomar said that given the rising
Speaker 3: anti alcohol movement, he wanted to test out this Finnish
Speaker 3: style of like social saunaing in San Francisco at the
Speaker 3: Salesforce Mega conference. So he rented out a sauna and
Speaker 3: decided to pitch his startup is the Sauna, and lo
Speaker 3: and behold, he ended up with a one hundred person
Speaker 3: wait list, with Silicon Valley's finest tech bros chomping at
Speaker 3: the bit to access.
Speaker 2: I mean, dare I say saunas are so hot right now?
Speaker 3: Saunas are extremely hot right now, and especially the Finnish kind,
Speaker 3: you know, like the wooden kind.
Speaker 2: Of with some finishmen.
Speaker 3: I know, totally fine, But he said that he thinks
Speaker 3: the method works because it offers employees and founders an
Speaker 3: opportunity to connect beyond this standard kind of alcohol fueled networking.
Speaker 3: And I do think somewhere like Silicon Valley, which is
Speaker 3: quite health conscious. As a generalization, I think it works.
Speaker 3: I don't know as a kind of an alternative, and
Speaker 3: I do think in that same vein it might work
Speaker 3: in somewhere like Sydney or just Australia as.
Speaker 1: More generally or getting like just in your yes, I
Speaker 1: mean for a female sitting there in your cozi.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think not his startup, it had rules that
Speaker 3: you had to be in, like you had to wear
Speaker 3: proper swimwear, so I can't like stark as.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then there are also companies that are implementing things
Speaker 3: like that, but they're having like mandatory like work swimwear
Speaker 3: that's a bit more conservative than what you'd wear to
Speaker 3: the beach to ensure there aren't like HR disasters.
Speaker 1: I love the idea, I really like the idea. I
Speaker 1: just don't know whether I could hop in there with
Speaker 1: people from work in my no swimwear.
Speaker 3: And I just don't think the power pose in the
Speaker 3: bathroom before you go HiT's quite the same when you're
Speaker 3: a New Cozi.
Speaker 2: No, but I love it.
Speaker 3: I think it's funny and I'm interested to see what
Speaker 3: happens in Australia if we'll.
Speaker 2: Pick this up to who knows.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I want to talk about, well, the science behind anxiety.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I know these term surfaces at this time of year
Speaker 1: and does I just wanted to remind everyone that's very normal,
Speaker 1: that a lot of us feel this way. In fact,
Speaker 1: anxiety effects around twenty two percent of social drinkers according
Speaker 1: to research. I mean that's almost you know, one in
Speaker 1: four or five. If you don't know what it is,
Speaker 1: it's basically the anxiety you feel after you have a
Speaker 1: big night out and occurs as a result of the
Speaker 1: alcohol's effect on the brain. So when you drink, chemical
Speaker 1: changes take place in your brain. You wake up the
Speaker 1: next morning and feel pretty shit.
Speaker 2: You feel awful.
Speaker 3: My anxiety is getting worse as I get older as well.
Speaker 1: So is mine, and I think as I become more
Speaker 1: health conscious, it's actually becoming.
Speaker 3: Worse and disrupts my sleep, and so then I'm anxious
Speaker 3: and I haven't slapped, and that's just all and then
Speaker 3: I get guilts.
Speaker 1: Anyway, I had to bring this up because I think
Speaker 1: it's getting worse for me as well. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think the good news is there's some science around it,
Speaker 1: which probably made me feel a bit more seen and
Speaker 1: brought the guilt factor down a little bit. So it
Speaker 1: was an article in the Conversation that talked about, well,
Speaker 1: the science behind anxiety, and there's two key things that
Speaker 1: I want to share from it.
Speaker 2: One is that.
Speaker 1: Genes play a role, a significant role, okay, in feeling
Speaker 1: this these feelings. So research published in the journal Addiction
Speaker 1: shows your genes can explain almost half the reason why
Speaker 1: you wake up feeling hungover and why your friend might not.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, so blame your parents perhaps, Well.
Speaker 3: My dad actually doesn't drink, just purely for health reasons
Speaker 3: and has it for a very long time.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if I used to get anxiety. Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so basically, the stronger the physical effects of
Speaker 1: how your body copes with the hangover can obviously in
Speaker 1: turn trigger anxiety during a hangover and making you more
Speaker 1: susceptible to anxiety.
Speaker 2: And also the other thing that I thought.
Speaker 1: Was interesting is if you are if you do suffer anxiety,
Speaker 1: you will fare worse. Not surprising, great, but researches people
Speaker 1: who already struggle with feelings of anxiety. Their day to
Speaker 1: day lives are especially vulnerable to anxiety.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, study my brain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so any I just felt like this time of year,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make you all feel heard and
Speaker 1: seen that this is a real thing and it's okay
Speaker 1: to feel this. And I also unearthed a recent story
Speaker 1: on Body and So online where we discuss the worst
Speaker 1: drinks to promote anxiety.
Speaker 2: There go, thanks for plugging that.
Speaker 1: And these are cocktails high in sugar and spirits as
Speaker 1: they spike blood sugar and blood alcohol. Now we all
Speaker 1: know the best way to prevent anxieties. Don't drink or
Speaker 1: water is your friend the next morning obviously, Movement and compassion.
Speaker 1: And I think that last tip comes from me because
Speaker 1: it's probably something that I'm trying to work on that
Speaker 1: it's okay to feel this occasionally.
Speaker 2: We have to enjoy life. That's why we leave the
Speaker 2: ish on this podcast and just be nice to yourself exactly.
Speaker 1: So I'm working on this. When I wake up feeling
Speaker 1: crap over the next couple of weeks after a.
Speaker 3: Few drinks, I love this compassion as a health goal
Speaker 3: for all of us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this spring of season.
Speaker 1: Just quickly before we go, give us a quick rundown
Speaker 1: of the most cliqued story of the week.
Speaker 3: Most clicked was the unexpected foods that help hay fever
Speaker 3: in spring, which is unsurprising to me because hay fever
Speaker 3: has been I think.
Speaker 2: Particularly this year. I've heard so many people.
Speaker 1: Oh, Holly, yes, I have been itching and like gargling,
Speaker 1: and oh it's been terrible.
Speaker 3: It feels like there's a lot in the air too.
Speaker 3: It's constantly in my eyes.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: According to nutritionist Michelle Chevali, food can ease our immune
Speaker 3: response and inflammation a lot in abundance since they are
Speaker 3: rich in flavonoids, which is great to know.
Speaker 2: So one of the food so.
Speaker 3: Five to try our ginger, garlic, red and brown onions,
Speaker 3: herbal teas, and berries. And you can find out why
Speaker 3: and which food you should also avoid at bodysore dot com.
Speaker 3: Dot you. Thanks Holly, thank you, thank you, Bye.
Speaker 1: Friends listeners, thanks for tuning in again.
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