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Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for joining us again on the Body and

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Speaker 1: Soul podcast Good Healthy Ish. I am the host of

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Speaker 1: Felicity Haley and joining me in the hot seat today

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Speaker 1: is our fabulous digital editor Holly Berkleman. And yes, we

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Speaker 1: are dissecting the three hottest topics in the health and

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Speaker 1: wellness well this week.

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Speaker 2: Holly Delviish. Hello, how are you you're looking healthy ish today?

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: My Lissa's got like little waistcoat on a cute little necklace.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm living the body and Soul life this week. I

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Speaker 3: am eating dense bean salad as we discussed the week

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Speaker 3: Everywhere So good, yeah, which we talked to me exactly.

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Speaker 3: And I've actually just started going to Polati's again Reformer,

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Speaker 3: which I think is a great way to distract yourself

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Speaker 3: from the fact that you're doing exercise because it's such

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Speaker 3: a funny machine and I just just I'm fighting for

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Speaker 3: my life on that thing, and I forget that I've

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Speaker 3: actually done any strength training.

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Speaker 2: It's great. I'm loving it. So are you? Is this

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Speaker 2: something going to keep up? Or you just I think so.

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Speaker 3: I'm not really in the mood for proper like weights

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Speaker 3: or really running at the moment. And so I've started

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Speaker 3: going back to Polarates with a friend and I am

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Speaker 3: loving it. So I'm going to try and keep it up.

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Speaker 1: Well as some of you might know, perhaps you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm into the pilarates, get me.

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Speaker 3: Okay, See I can't stand yoga. Well we're yin and

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Speaker 3: yang totally.

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Speaker 2: And that's why it works. Yes, I went last night.

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Speaker 1: I went to Wonderlus yoga jam with with Michael Franti.

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Speaker 1: Actually we had them on the podcast before and his

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Speaker 1: wife Sarah, and I dragged the husband along and lovely,

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Speaker 1: it was great. We had actually a really great date night.

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Speaker 2: That's cute. I love. That's so healthful, it's very healthy.

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Speaker 1: I felt like we need to go for a wine afterwards,

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Speaker 1: but we had to get home for the babysitter.

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Speaker 2: Damn it. Yeah. Anyway, what's happening this week?

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Speaker 3: So my pick of the week. This is a funny story.

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Speaker 3: The headline is want to network like a Silicon Valley

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Speaker 3: tech bro head to the Sauna, which I love, I love.

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Speaker 3: I think it's hilarious. But the days of solidifying a

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Speaker 3: deal over a glass of scotch, like the Madman's style

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Speaker 3: approach is apparently well and truly in the past, and

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Speaker 3: this was reportedly pioneered by a Finnish entrepreneur called Hari Salomar,

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Speaker 3: who wanted to introduce Finland's love of social saunas to

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Speaker 3: the American startup world. And I didn't know this, but

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Speaker 3: apparently there are more saunas than cars in Finland.

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Speaker 2: Which is bonkers wow.

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Speaker 3: Which I do know that in Scandinavia they have quite

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Speaker 3: high tariffs on cars because they want to encourage like

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Speaker 3: a walking culture. But Salomar said that given the rising

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Speaker 3: anti alcohol movement, he wanted to test out this Finnish

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Speaker 3: style of like social saunaing in San Francisco at the

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Speaker 3: Salesforce Mega conference. So he rented out a sauna and

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Speaker 3: decided to pitch his startup is the Sauna, and lo

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Speaker 3: and behold, he ended up with a one hundred person

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Speaker 3: wait list, with Silicon Valley's finest tech bros chomping at

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Speaker 3: the bit to access.

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Speaker 2: I mean, dare I say saunas are so hot right now?

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Speaker 3: Saunas are extremely hot right now, and especially the Finnish kind,

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Speaker 3: you know, like the wooden kind.

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Speaker 2: Of with some finishmen.

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Speaker 3: I know, totally fine, But he said that he thinks

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Speaker 3: the method works because it offers employees and founders an

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Speaker 3: opportunity to connect beyond this standard kind of alcohol fueled networking.

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Speaker 3: And I do think somewhere like Silicon Valley, which is

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Speaker 3: quite health conscious. As a generalization, I think it works.

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Speaker 3: I don't know as a kind of an alternative, and

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Speaker 3: I do think in that same vein it might work

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Speaker 3: in somewhere like Sydney or just Australia as.

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Speaker 1: More generally or getting like just in your yes, I

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Speaker 1: mean for a female sitting there in your cozi.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think not his startup, it had rules that

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Speaker 3: you had to be in, like you had to wear

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Speaker 3: proper swimwear, so I can't like stark as.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then there are also companies that are implementing things

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Speaker 3: like that, but they're having like mandatory like work swimwear

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Speaker 3: that's a bit more conservative than what you'd wear to

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Speaker 3: the beach to ensure there aren't like HR disasters.

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Speaker 1: I love the idea, I really like the idea. I

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Speaker 1: just don't know whether I could hop in there with

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Speaker 3: And I just don't think the power pose in the

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Speaker 3: bathroom before you go HiT's quite the same when you're

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Speaker 3: a New Cozi.

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Speaker 2: No, but I love it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's funny and I'm interested to see what

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Speaker 3: happens in Australia if we'll.

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Speaker 2: Pick this up to who knows.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I want to talk about, well, the science behind anxiety.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I know these term surfaces at this time of year

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Speaker 1: and does I just wanted to remind everyone that's very normal,

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Speaker 1: that a lot of us feel this way. In fact,

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Speaker 1: anxiety effects around twenty two percent of social drinkers according

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Speaker 1: to research. I mean that's almost you know, one in

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Speaker 1: four or five. If you don't know what it is,

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Speaker 1: it's basically the anxiety you feel after you have a

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Speaker 1: big night out and occurs as a result of the

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Speaker 1: alcohol's effect on the brain. So when you drink, chemical

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Speaker 1: changes take place in your brain. You wake up the

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Speaker 1: next morning and feel pretty shit.

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Speaker 2: You feel awful.

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Speaker 3: My anxiety is getting worse as I get older as well.

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Speaker 1: So is mine, and I think as I become more

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Speaker 1: health conscious, it's actually becoming.

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Speaker 3: Worse and disrupts my sleep, and so then I'm anxious

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Speaker 3: and I haven't slapped, and that's just all and then

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Speaker 3: I get guilts.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I had to bring this up because I think

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Speaker 1: it's getting worse for me as well. Yeah, and I

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Speaker 1: think the good news is there's some science around it,

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Speaker 1: which probably made me feel a bit more seen and

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Speaker 1: brought the guilt factor down a little bit. So it

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Speaker 1: was an article in the Conversation that talked about, well,

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Speaker 1: the science behind anxiety, and there's two key things that

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Speaker 1: I want to share from it.

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Speaker 2: One is that.

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Speaker 1: Genes play a role, a significant role, okay, in feeling

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Speaker 1: this these feelings. So research published in the journal Addiction

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Speaker 1: shows your genes can explain almost half the reason why

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Speaker 1: you wake up feeling hungover and why your friend might not.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, so blame your parents perhaps, Well.

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Speaker 3: My dad actually doesn't drink, just purely for health reasons

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Speaker 3: and has it for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: So I wonder if I used to get anxiety. Yeah. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so basically, the stronger the physical effects of

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Speaker 1: how your body copes with the hangover can obviously in

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Speaker 1: turn trigger anxiety during a hangover and making you more

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Speaker 1: susceptible to anxiety.

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Speaker 2: And also the other thing that I thought.

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Speaker 1: Was interesting is if you are if you do suffer anxiety,

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Speaker 1: you will fare worse. Not surprising, great, but researches people

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Speaker 1: who already struggle with feelings of anxiety. Their day to

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Speaker 1: day lives are especially vulnerable to anxiety.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, study my brain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so any I just felt like this time of year,

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to make you all feel heard and

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Speaker 1: seen that this is a real thing and it's okay

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Speaker 1: to feel this. And I also unearthed a recent story

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Speaker 1: on Body and So online where we discuss the worst

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Speaker 1: drinks to promote anxiety.

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Speaker 2: There go, thanks for plugging that.

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Speaker 1: And these are cocktails high in sugar and spirits as

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Speaker 1: they spike blood sugar and blood alcohol. Now we all

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Speaker 1: know the best way to prevent anxieties. Don't drink or

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Speaker 1: water is your friend the next morning obviously, Movement and compassion.

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Speaker 1: And I think that last tip comes from me because

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Speaker 1: it's probably something that I'm trying to work on that

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Speaker 1: it's okay to feel this occasionally.

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Speaker 2: We have to enjoy life. That's why we leave the

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Speaker 2: ish on this podcast and just be nice to yourself exactly.

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Speaker 1: So I'm working on this. When I wake up feeling

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Speaker 1: crap over the next couple of weeks after a.

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Speaker 3: Few drinks, I love this compassion as a health goal

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Speaker 3: for all of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this spring of season.

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Speaker 1: Just quickly before we go, give us a quick rundown

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Speaker 1: of the most cliqued story of the week.

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Speaker 3: Most clicked was the unexpected foods that help hay fever

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Speaker 3: in spring, which is unsurprising to me because hay fever

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Speaker 3: has been I think.

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Speaker 2: Particularly this year. I've heard so many people.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Holly, yes, I have been itching and like gargling,

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Speaker 1: and oh it's been terrible.

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Speaker 3: It feels like there's a lot in the air too.

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Speaker 3: It's constantly in my eyes.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 3: According to nutritionist Michelle Chevali, food can ease our immune

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Speaker 3: response and inflammation a lot in abundance since they are

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Speaker 3: rich in flavonoids, which is great to know.

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Speaker 2: So one of the food so.

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Speaker 3: Five to try our ginger, garlic, red and brown onions,

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Speaker 3: herbal teas, and berries. And you can find out why

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Speaker 3: and which food you should also avoid at bodysore dot com.

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Speaker 3: Dot you. Thanks Holly, thank you, thank you, Bye.

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Speaker 1: Friends listeners, thanks for tuning in again.

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Speaker 2: To healthy Ish.

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Speaker 1: Hope you enjoyed this Friday app And of course, if

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Speaker 1: you do want to read about any of the above,

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Speaker 1: I will leave a link in the show notes. Anything else,

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