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Speaker 1: Let's have a chat about it with Seven's Chris Reason,

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Speaker 1: who I understand was there, Chris, Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Quite the scenes Lydia Thorpe. I'd almost forgotten about her.

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Speaker 1: She seems to have gone quiet, at least from where

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Speaker 1: we sit here in Adelaide. Haven't heard much about her

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Speaker 1: over the last twelve months or so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she certainly exploded back onto the scene yesterday, didn't she.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty spectacular and to a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: very deeply offensive. Look, there were signs that it was

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Speaker 2: going to happen. She'd been agitating earlier in the day

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Speaker 2: and had confronted police and almost came close to arrest

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Speaker 2: at that point. But then was inside the Great Hall

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Speaker 2: at Parliament House when King Charles and Queen Camilla came

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Speaker 2: in for that reception there, and you could see that

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Speaker 2: trouble was brewing, and those around hers said that, you know,

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Speaker 2: she was wearing her fur possum possum fur coat, and

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Speaker 2: she turned her back to King Charles during the speeches

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Speaker 2: and also during the singing of the national anthem beside

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Speaker 2: the point that the national anthem was being sung in

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Speaker 2: an indigenous dialect. Time and then, of course the speech happened.

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Speaker 2: She waited until the end of Charles's words and then

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Speaker 2: off it went. And it was a pretty expletive. The

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Speaker 2: ridden explosive ran towards the king and she's actually walking

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Speaker 2: towards him. Some people surprised that took security so long

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Speaker 2: to jump on her and wrangle her out of that hall.

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Speaker 1: Were there security checks on the way in? Incidentally? Were

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Speaker 1: people did they have to go through a metal detector

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Speaker 1: for instance?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, all of that stuff was done, and that's

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Speaker 2: pretty standard with the parment house. But at any time,

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Speaker 2: not just yesterday. But yeah, look, I mean, there was

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Speaker 2: no way they were going to be able to stop

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Speaker 2: Senator Thorpe from getting in there. She has every right

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Speaker 2: to be there. She's a part of the system, she's

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Speaker 2: a representative, and she was an invited guest, so she

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Speaker 2: was able to be there. And it was obviously she'd

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Speaker 2: planned this for some time. She knew what she was doing,

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Speaker 2: she knew what she wanted to say, and she knew

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Speaker 2: that she was going to be grabbing international headlines. And

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Speaker 2: that's exactly what has happened. And in America, the New

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Speaker 2: York Times written, the BBC, everybody leading on this story

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Speaker 2: in the last twelve hours. It has generated enormous headline.

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Speaker 1: There'd be many people saying, well, she's got the right

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Speaker 1: to do this as a politician. Well, she does in

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Speaker 1: Parliament when it's sitting to put the views that she

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Speaker 1: obviously believes are so important. But to do it in

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Speaker 1: such a manner, that's the issue with it. I think

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Speaker 1: that wrinkles most Australians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most of Jones would think that was

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Speaker 2: simply petulant, childish and irres disrespectful behavior was it was

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Speaker 2: deplored by most people and indeed most indigenous leaders have

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Speaker 2: also come out saying that they don't support what she

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Speaker 2: did yesterday, Marsha Langton among them. Others though saying that

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Speaker 2: if she hadn't done it, if she hadn't actually taken

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Speaker 2: that opportunity, then we wouldn't be sitting here talking about

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Speaker 2: it today and the world wouldn't be talking about it

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Speaker 2: as well. I mean, there's the calculation behind it in

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Speaker 2: that regard. But you know, Peter Dutton, we're talking this

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Speaker 2: morning on Sunrise and Out and said, look, if she

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Speaker 2: doesn't want to be part of the system, if she

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Speaker 2: disrespects this system so much, and she hates the politics.

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Speaker 2: And remember the King is at the top of our

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Speaker 2: political system. He's our head of state. But if she

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Speaker 2: disrespects that so much, then get out of it before

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Speaker 2: go the two hundred and fifty thousand dollars a year,

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Speaker 2: the quarter million dollars salary she gets, and walk away,

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Speaker 2: Go and protest and create her change in some other

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Speaker 2: way and not be part of a system which she

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Speaker 2: obviously doesn't like. I mean a lot of controversy, a

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Speaker 2: lot of discussion about these comments this morning, but the

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Speaker 2: bottom line was she got us all talking.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely for sure. So the fallout ok is Peter

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Speaker 1: Dutton's comments. I see others mister Abett saying well, he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't go down the centure path because it gives her

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Speaker 1: the martyrdom she seeks. The liberals though, considering that Warren

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Speaker 1: Mundine saying it's done nothing to advance the cause of

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Australians. Does it put the Minister under any sort

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Speaker 1: of pressure in that regard, because probably since the Voice referendum,

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Speaker 1: she's she's probably done more yesterday to advance reconciliation if

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Speaker 1: she's done that for that matter as well, but done

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Speaker 1: more to talk about where we go next than anything

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Speaker 1: the government has done since the Voice.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's it's so true, Matthew. I mean, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of it. She's so divisive, but not just in mainstream Australia,

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Speaker 2: but in her own community as well. There's so many

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Speaker 2: Indigenous leaders that that just don't stand with her and

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Speaker 2: don't agree with the way she's she performs her politics

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Speaker 2: and indeed accuse her of being performative that she basically

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Speaker 2: just does it for a headline, does it for the stunt.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the I mean just

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Speaker 2: watching yesterday, we're down there a partiament. I followed the

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Speaker 2: King all day in the last couple of days on

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Speaker 2: the way to start again now. But it's it's they

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Speaker 2: couldn't have done more to recognize Indigenous Australia ceremony itself.

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Speaker 2: You know, they came in led by an Indigenous group

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Speaker 2: that performed a song and a dance ritual as they

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Speaker 2: looked into the hall, they sat down as I say,

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Speaker 2: they had the national anthem in an Indigenous dialect. The

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Speaker 2: war and through the day at the Australian Warm Moral

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Speaker 2: when they chose to go to that warmorl and lay

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Speaker 2: a poppy on that Wall of remembrance one hundred and

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Speaker 2: three thousand names Australian to the fallen war. They chose

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Speaker 2: to play a poppy at the at the name of

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Speaker 2: one of the Indigenous soldiers who died, Private William Punch.

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Speaker 2: And you know, and then when and of all the

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Speaker 2: places they could have seen, of all the sites and

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Speaker 2: demonstrations and displays they could have seen the warmoral, they

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Speaker 2: chose to visit the Indigenous one and there they had

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Speaker 2: a smoking ceremony. There there was the digital doo player.

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Speaker 2: And indeed, even when they arrived at Camber Airport, the

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Speaker 2: first thing they did was to undergo an Indigenous cleansing ceremony,

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Speaker 2: of smoking ceremony. They went out of their one world couple,

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Speaker 2: the King and the Queen to acknowledge and to respect

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Speaker 2: to the Indigenous culture yesterday and to it to end

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Speaker 2: like that was really kind of disappointing. But your point

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Speaker 2: about Albinizi, I mean a lot of Indigenous activists saying

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Speaker 2: that somewhere in the program, it's a short program. The

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Speaker 2: royals are having six days here on the ground, but

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Speaker 2: in fact really only three days of meetings and meet

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Speaker 2: and greets, et cetera. The activist indigenous activists said that

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Speaker 2: there should have been a moment where they sat down

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Speaker 2: with indigenous leaders and talked about this stuff. There should

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Speaker 2: have been something organized in their busy agendas to sit

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Speaker 2: that was overlooked. So mister Albinezi said, the day stands

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Speaker 2: accused of not having organized that, and some say that

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Speaker 2: he should have and that would have prevented the mess yesterday.

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Speaker 1: All right, Just finally, Chris and for people ringing up

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Speaker 1: and they have been, as you can imagine about Lydia Thorpe.

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Speaker 1: There's no way of removing her from her role as

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Speaker 1: a senator, is there. That's up to the people that

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Speaker 1: the next election she's up four and that's not for

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Speaker 1: another four or so years.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and that is ultimately the only way we can

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Speaker 2: do it. The people that get the sacker are us,

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Speaker 2: you and me and the electorate. And at the end

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Speaker 2: of the day, is there's something she faces and will

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Speaker 2: people support her, her policy, her behaviors or will they

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Speaker 2: say not it's time You've had your say, time to move.

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Speaker 1: On, all right, well, wait and see you appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time this morning, Chris. Good luck following the Royals today.

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Speaker 2: Always a pleasure mate, talk so you.

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Speaker 1: Report on seven tonight, Thank you, Chris. Reason from seven.

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Speaker 1: All right, it is twenty two past nine. We'll go

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Speaker 1: to a break in a tick Rodger firstly at mile end.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Roger, Yeah, Hi there, ALBERNISI couldn't do more. He's

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Speaker 3: flooding our country with half a million new invaders every year.

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Speaker 3: That's all the Aboriginals would think about, this massive unwondered

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Speaker 3: migration for invaders Christie by the government.

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Speaker 1: All right, so you see immigration as well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this isn't me, it's aboriginals. How could they

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Speaker 3: not see it as anything other than more invaders?

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Speaker 1: All right, Roger, thank you for the call. Love to

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts on that or any other topic you

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Speaker 1: wish to talk about. And Lydia Thorpe has dominated the

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Speaker 1: discussion of the last What is it about eighteen hours?

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Speaker 1: I suppose eight double two to three double o double oh.

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Speaker 1: The number of the text line already full of texts.

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Speaker 1: You can certainly keep texting. Love to hear from you

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Speaker 1: on the phone, though, it's the best way to communicate

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Speaker 1: here on five double A and that number eight double

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Speaker 1: two to three, double O, double oh,