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Speaker 1: Now just before I went on a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: Brokenshire from the Primary Producing a Producers Council and he

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Speaker 1: bit greener, a bit lusher. Although rain is pretty much

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Speaker 1: widespread today and it's going to hit a lot of areas,

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Speaker 1: but certainly down there they've got a bit more rain

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Speaker 1: he was saying that driving through his paddocks regularly sees

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Speaker 1: mobs of thirty rous up north where I went up

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Speaker 1: to the Flinders recently and Hierou relatively young one. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a big one and had to drag it off

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Speaker 1: the road. Minor damaged to the car fortunately, but they

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Speaker 1: are everywhere up north and up in Hawker someone at

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Speaker 1: So there's and that's at night obviously, when they come out.

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Speaker 1: But lots of rules. There's going to be a carl

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Speaker 1: a vast route CAHL in South Australia and SA parks

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Speaker 1: have been targeted. Joe Keynes his president Livestock essay and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows all about the rules everywhere throughout

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Speaker 1: essay Joe.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good morning, Mattie. How are you good?

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Certainly a problem, yeah, it is a problem, and certainly

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Speaker 2: at the moment given that we've had a very dry

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Speaker 2: first half of the year and kangaroo numbers have really

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Speaker 2: been growing over the last few years. But it's certainly highlights.

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Speaker 2: There is a big issue now and it's presenting a

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Speaker 2: fairly total grazing pressure. It's for me ensuring that competing

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Speaker 2: with livestock. But yeah, we just need to have a

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Speaker 2: balance and sort of out of balance now and kangaroos

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Speaker 2: are over abundant and we need to think of some

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Speaker 2: solutions and you know, market solutions would be a good, good,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is the work being done on that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know there's there's a stall in the Central market

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Speaker 1: for instance, that just sells kangaroo meat and has been

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Speaker 1: there for many years. The fur products that make their

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Speaker 1: way around the world. I guess do we need to

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Speaker 1: do more in that regard.

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Speaker 2: We've certainly last SA is working with primary industries to

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Speaker 2: see what market opportunities are there. There are a couple

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Speaker 2: of you know, macro meats are very significant player in

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Speaker 2: ensuring that there's kangaroo meat for supply. I know the

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Speaker 2: leather products have been it's a really superior leather, but

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Speaker 2: we do know that to find secure export markets is

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Speaker 2: difficult over time. So yeah, there are some opportunities that

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Speaker 2: we need to explore to get you know, it's a

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Speaker 2: great protein, it's a great resource that we should be using,

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Speaker 2: not just and swearing it because there's too many of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, For farmers, fences, I imagine grasses, so they're

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Speaker 1: competing for food with livestock. I imagine they're the biggest problems.

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Speaker 2: That's certainly the biggest problem is that total grazing pressure

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Speaker 2: and you have a dry season like we've had, and

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Speaker 2: then you've got your animals competing with or lots of

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Speaker 2: over abundant kangaroos competing with your commercial life stock, your

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Speaker 2: sheep and cattle. It does present a huge conundrum, and

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Speaker 2: as you've pointed, out. You know, there are other unforeseen circumstances,

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Speaker 2: more kangaroos, more potential of great accidents, more environmental damage.

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Speaker 2: And we also know that when they're you know, it's

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Speaker 2: it's to try and get that balance right, and there's

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Speaker 2: no one solution and we just need to work on

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Speaker 2: multiple solutions and see what we can do.

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Speaker 1: So where's the harvest going to take place now? Is

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Speaker 1: it just in national parks? Is that where people will

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Speaker 2: I'm not aware of Sorry I didn't have a briefing

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Speaker 2: about it, but I'm not aware of the national parks,

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Speaker 2: But I know national parks would be working towards controlling

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Speaker 2: and that's obviously a focus. We don't want to we

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Speaker 2: want to get the balance right. We don't want to

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Speaker 2: have over abundant numbers, but not do we want to

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Speaker 2: see the last kangaroos. You know, they are definitely an

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Speaker 2: iconic species of Australia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely they are, and we don't need to wipe

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Speaker 1: them out, there's no doubt about that. But nevertheless, the

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Speaker 1: balance is important and I suppose too, Joe, you'd want

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Speaker 1: that balance moving forward. I mean, we've we've left them

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Speaker 2: Obviously, as I highlighted, it's a boom bust. You know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I live in the eastern Mount Lofty Ranges,

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Speaker 2: and you know, when I was a child with home

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Speaker 2: and you know, so we saw one gangaroo to my mother.

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Speaker 2: Now my grandchildren are going out on the farm and

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Speaker 2: they're talking about that broken shoe. Highlighted the numbers of

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Speaker 2: the knobs of numbers that they see. So it has

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Speaker 2: grown over time and we just need to sort of

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Speaker 2: work through what are they How can we do this

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Speaker 2: in a sustainable way looking after animal welfare outcomes, the

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Speaker 2: best out of animal welfare outcomes. All of those things

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Speaker 2: need to be considered and can we have developing the markets.

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Speaker 2: As I said last, DOSA is working with primary industry

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Speaker 2: to see if we can spur some extra markets. And

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Speaker 2: you know, we encourage it's a really great protein. We

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Speaker 2: can encourage people like you say they have a stall

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Speaker 2: in central market. It'd be great to see more people.

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Speaker 2: We eat Berlin and great protein kangaroo made is yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Joe, really appreciate your time. Thank you, Thanks Matie,

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Speaker 1: Joe Keynes from Livestock Essa, President of Livestock Essay and

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Speaker 1: Kangaroo KRL. It will be in national parks for the

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Speaker 1: first time and in the Adelaide foothills. And how often

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Speaker 1: have we told you here on five double A about

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Speaker 1: a roue that's been happily skipping along well, I don't

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Speaker 1: know about happily, but certainly skipping along Billier Road or

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Speaker 1: down around Burnside or even further down do make their

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Speaker 1: they get lost. It's orientated, quiet at night and six

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Speaker 1: or so years, as far down as Walkerville. Unbelievable, following

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