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Speaker 2: You today, Brisbane Queen's Land.

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Speaker 1: I am you are. That's okay, but we're still fucking learning.

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Speaker 1: But I think also, you know, like obviously no one'm

431
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Speaker 1: wants to lose, but life gives Life gives no fucks

432
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Speaker 1: about your feelings or my feelings, right, Life doesn't give

433
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: a shit about you. Doesn't mean nobody gives a shit,

434
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 1: But life doesn't care about your feelings, or your outcomes

435
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: or your boxing record. Life doesn't care if I have

436
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 1: three listeners or three million listeners, or if I'm making

437
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: a few bucks or all the bucks. Life doesn't care.

438
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: And it's like that, even though it was painful that

439
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,800
Speaker 1: first loss, and even though you wish you never had it,

440
00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 1: I guess, but you learn something about yourself, right, and

441
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 1: it might not be something you want to learn in

442
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: the short term. But like if you don't know how

443
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: to deal with disappointment or failure or pain or grief,

444
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: fucking good luck trying to live because disappointment, as you

445
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: know with your brother, grief, loss, pain, tragedy, fuck dude.

446
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 1: I mean that's just like this is just stuff that

447
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 1: the human experience means that we've got to deal with

448
00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,880
Speaker 1: that eventually, right.

449
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I'll tell you now, like had I prepared

450
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 2: myself to deal with things when it happened, maybe my

451
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: life wouldn't have taken the road that it did. But

452
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,239
Speaker 2: you know, when I had that first loss, you know

453
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 2: I was I look back and I can look back

454
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,120
Speaker 2: now and I can tell you clearly like I planted

455
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,440
Speaker 2: that seed in my head for that loss back when

456
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: I was a kid watching watching TV. Think when I

457
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 2: said to myself, I'm never going to be that good,

458
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 2: I said, I said it to myself there and then,

459
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 2: and I was punching these guys all that come before me.

460
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: They would fall, and I thought I was this olter

461
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: ego god, this Achilles warrior, half Greek, Rah rah rah

462
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,160
Speaker 2: blah blah and believe in my own lies and just

463
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: and and then then comes the problems with addiction. You know,

464
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 2: then you find something and you're like, you like picking

465
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: up a drink, and then you start swinging into the drugs,

466
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 2: and then your life just starts tumbling and falling and

467
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,160
Speaker 2: it just becomes like an avalanche and just one thing

468
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 2: leads to another, and like you're looking in this this

469
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Speaker 2: spot and look, yep, I tell you I landed in jail.

470
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: You know, I've got myself for two years jail, and

471
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, well, fucking

472
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 2: how great is this? You know, how great is this?

473
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 2: Because I have gratitude. I'm thankful I'm here now, and

474
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: I know I know the only way I'm going to

475
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: get out of the ship is by looking up and

476
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: forward and don't look back, and just share my story, okay,

477
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,159
Speaker 2: talk about where I've been and tell other people that

478
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to go there. It's a fucking ship place,

479
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: you know. And I have gratitude that I'm alive, I'm well,

480
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,679
Speaker 2: and I've had the luxury of having the support that

481
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: I've had, and I've have so many people that do

482
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: care about me. I'm thankful for the life that I've had,

483
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 2: and I'm going to get out and I'm going to

484
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 2: tell my story and I'm become a much better person

485
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Speaker 2: than I was before.

486
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Speaker 1: Good on your man. I love that. I love to

487
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: hear that. And you look amazing. You look clear and clean.

488
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 1: It's sober and articulate, and for a bloke who's been

489
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Speaker 1: punched in the head a lot, you can even string

490
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Speaker 1: up a few words together. Now, there's no there's no

491
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: obvious cte. So well done. You must have a head

492
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: like a fucking coconut.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know about the CD yet. We'll find out.

494
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, let's keep our fingers crossed. It's it's it's

495
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Speaker 1: I mean, I only just met you, but I'm I'm

496
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: kind of proud of you, even in this short term

497
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: of where you were to, where you to, where you've come,

498
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,239
Speaker 1: and where you're heading. So I want to So one

499
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: of my roles, which I didn't tell you before we

500
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Speaker 1: went live, is for quite a while, about four or

501
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: five years, I worked as a consultant for a drug

502
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: and addiction rehab Yeah. Yeah, so I spent a lot

503
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Speaker 1: of time working with people battling booze and addiction in

504
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: gender broadly. Right, So I'm interested, And so for you,

505
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Speaker 1: do you think that, like for a lot of people,

506
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: using using whatever it is they're using, is a mechanism

507
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: to get out of psychological and emotional pain, like to

508
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: escape that because you just don't want to fucking sit

509
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: in that feeling all that sit in that mindset and

510
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: when you use, all of a sudden, now I'm in

511
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: a better place in inverted commerce, right, yeah, was that

512
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: part of it for you is to get out of

513
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,359
Speaker 1: that pain of having to deal with stuff?

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, so yeah, looking back, I can say that

515
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: because but before I could even realize that. So if

516
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 2: you're sitting there right now, listen to this and you're

517
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 2: pissed off, your brain, off your high as a kite,

518
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: you know you might not be able to see this,

519
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: but leave me when I say it. You know you're like,

520
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: you need clarity to really see you need clarity. You

521
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 2: need to have the clarity. And look like, I had

522
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: a lot of pain. You know, I was dealing with loss.

523
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Speaker 2: I was dealing with you know, I'll tell you, I'll

524
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: tell you what I dealt with. You know, I lost

525
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: my brother and I grew up, very very close. We

526
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Speaker 2: talk all the time. He was Australia's leading jockey. He

527
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: was racing in the Melbourne Cup and it was a

528
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Speaker 2: week till he rode in the favorite shoot out in

529
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 2: the Melbourne Cup. And I was fighting in three weeks.

530
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Speaker 2: In three weeks, I was fighting against to count the

531
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: pound best fighter in the world. So this is a

532
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: fight that would make my household name. I'm on the

533
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: phone with my brother and you know, like we're talking

534
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 2: about his right next week in the Melbourne Cup. He's

535
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: going to win the Melbourne Cup. Like the times present.

536
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: Him and that horse have good relationship. My brother was

537
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: going to be after all these years, all these worker,

538
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: was going to be the best writer in Australia. And

539
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: when the Melbourne Cup, it's a big thing. And we

540
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: had a long conversation at least a couple of hours,

541
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Speaker 2: and then you know, in the morning, I get a

542
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Speaker 2: phone call from from Brendon. He says, meet me at

543
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Speaker 2: the gym. Get on your motorbike, because we get around

544
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: the scooter motorbikes in Thailand. I was in training camp

545
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: and I get it and I knew something. He said,

546
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: turn your phone off, So I did exactly what he said.

547
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: I get on the motorbike and I go down and

548
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: meet him. I said, Brendon, what's happened to someone who's

549
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: died having a and he said, yeah, it's your brother.

550
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: And I just fell to the ground and started crying, mate,

551
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 2: and just even talking about it now, it's just really

552
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: living like his face. You know, he was the same

553
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: as me. He's just found to picture. It seems the

554
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 2: media hard about Stathi and I it was a hard thing,

555
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: and but look, I want to share that because I

556
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: want to share that because you know, when you look

557
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: at like, you know, I got close with a lot

558
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: of athletes and people like Mick Fenning. You know, just

559
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: just the reason why I mentioned Mick Fenning's name is

560
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 2: because he's the guy that lost his brother as well,

561
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: and he had a choice on which way he wanted

562
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: to go, what he wanted to do, and I just

563
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: decided to start masking the pain immediately, and in three

564
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 2: weeks time, I'm fighting the pound for pound best fighter

565
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: in the world. I decided to stop drinking and doing

566
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: drugs ten days before the fight because I, you know,

567
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: I just thought I'm not going to be able to

568
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: have the fight, you know, in the first place, if

569
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: you don't pass a drug test, and you know, and

570
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: I've just the media couldn't mention his name to me

571
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: because I would burst out crying. Is they they put

572
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: a media ban on that? But I've dropped the pound

573
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: for pound best fighter in the world. I put him

574
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 2: on his arse. And then as I've gone to finish him,

575
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: I could hear the complicators yelling, and he's thinking of

576
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: his brother. And for the first time my fucking life,

577
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: I've hesitated when it come to finishing. I just went

578
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: in my own head and I started like thinking too

579
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: much or maybe I shouldn't shure know, I just went

580
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: to that wow, and I would never give a fuck

581
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 2: what was going on outside. I was My eye was

582
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: on my poont what his hands were doing, what his

583
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,199
Speaker 2: legs were doing, what his eyes were doing, What is

584
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 2: and where do I need to execute to finish this guy?

585
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: Like what I need to do? And my mind was elsewhere. Mate. Anyway,

586
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: he's recovered, he's come back later in the fight, and

587
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: then they stopped the fight in his favor. You know,

588
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: we could be having a different conversation today, but I

589
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: can tell you now I won the fight. I was

590
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: fighting Shane Maizy. It was it Shane Mozy, but I

591
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 2: was I set the fight MANI Pacio. I set the fight,

592
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: Shane mazi I was on the list for Mayweather a

593
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: few times, you know, as a four through guy. But

594
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: I was that guy. I was one of the most

595
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: exciting fighters in the world. And I can tell you

596
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: in now half if I'd become that world wide household name,

597
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: all that would have happened, as the plot would have thickened,

598
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: the money would have been higher, and my might tumble

599
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: and fora would have been barg greater than what already was.

600
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: So I have gratitude. I have gratitude. I'm asting funny

601
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: and now saying I'm glad I went to jail. I'm

602
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: glad I learned the hard way because that was the

603
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: only fucking thing that was going to bring into clarity.

604
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: It was the only thing that was going to bring

605
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 2: bring me into recovery. And one thing that I learned

606
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: in recovery is the best way to keep something is

607
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: by giving it away. So I'd start my level NA

608
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: narcotics anonymous and aa AA groups. There is talking with

609
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: groups and prisoners in jail and stuff, and I really

610
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: related to a lot of people. I really a lot

611
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: of people there. And there's a lot of people that's

612
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: dealt with a lot of trauma in their life, a

613
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: lot of abuse, a lot of sexual abuse and violence,

614
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: and they had problems with addictions. And I could relate

615
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: to a lot of these people because guess what, I

616
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: was one of those kids that was sexually abused. That

617
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: happened to me, and that changed your whole fucking mindset.

618
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: That fucks you up, you know, And I would love

619
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: the chance. I've just recently found out the name of

620
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: the guy that did it to me, and I would

621
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: love the chances to sit in front of me and say, hey, mate,

622
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: you really fucked my life. Not only my life, but

623
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: my brother like because he too found masking of the

624
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: pain and at the end of drugs and alcohol, and

625
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: now he's dead as a result. And it's affected my

626
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: family and my career. My entire empire has crumbled. And

627
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: these predators are predators that are out there. Listen to this.

628
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: You fuck the society, You fuck people's lives. Because most

629
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: of these guys in jail that are fucked up have

630
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: done these suba things. I don't even know where they

631
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: are and what they're doing because of that out of

632
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: their brain. They just want to master pain. And that's

633
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: due to a lot of this. And like you've been

634
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: really really surprised how many people are victims of sexual abuse.

635
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: I don't know how we even got onto this.

636
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: But made it's relevant, it's in it. It's I mean,

637
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: it's like he's like I said to you before we started, mate,

638
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: I don't care where we go, let's just change. And

639
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I think, but here's the thing, right, it's is it

640
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: a comfortable conversation with people?

641
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: Know?

642
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: But is it real? Yes? Is it necessary that? Yes?

643
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: Do we need to china light on this horrible fucking

644
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: thing that happens, Yes, we do, you know. And the

645
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: thing is that you what I love about this moment

646
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: right now is here's this tough guy, this fucking world

647
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: champion box of this Olympic athlete who's done some great

648
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: shit and some dumb shit, like all of us, haven't you.

649
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, right, I do dumb shit every day,

650
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: you know.

651
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: So.

652
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: But in the middle of all of that, you're being

653
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: raw and real and vulnerable, and you're telling us about

654
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: stuff that a lot of people understandably would struggle to share.

655
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: But you're not doing it because you want glory or attention.

656
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: You're doing it because you want to help other people

657
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: not go through what you went through. You want to

658
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 1: stop the fucking morons that do it. And also you

659
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: want people to realize I'm putting words in your mouth,

660
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, but that it can happen

661
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: to anyone.

662
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Right, yes, and it can. It can. Yeah. Look, I

663
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: just needed to ask the question to my brother's last

664
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: partner that he had, and I said, my memory doesn't

665
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: certain me so good, but I said, we're getting babysat

666
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: At the same time, I said, did start there saying

667
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 2: anything to you? And she goes, oh, I just started crying.

668
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: It really a lot of burst out crying. She said,

669
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: he told me inever to tell anyone. Yeah, you never

670
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: tell him, but yes, yes he did, you know, because

671
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: I had this dream that that something happened. And it's

672
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: just common sense, right, we're both being baby sat and

673
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 2: then he's and he's one kid that would the same thing,

674
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: and he would just keep everything in. He'll keep everything

675
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: all bottled up, and it's no one of the drugs

676
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: end up killing him. Because if I had an out first,

677
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: like more physical absertion, not saying that jockey being a

678
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: jockey isn't a physical desertion. But now, first, I'm a

679
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: bit more outgoing than what my brother was. He was

680
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: very much an introvert, and then when he found something

681
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: that he loved it, it just killed him. You know.

682
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: He loved riding, he loved horses, loved it, loved it,

683
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 2: loved it. But then when the pain of what happened

684
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: was still, we're still there and ultimately that's yeah.

685
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, and that was what was that like twenty.

686
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: Or yes, October nineteen twenty ten, So.

687
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: It's like fourteen years ago, but it's really like three

688
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: minutes ago, isn't it.

689
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I can tell you I procrastination prolongs the pain because,

690
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: like I said, with Mick Fenning, with what he did

691
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 2: with his life, you know, like he just he we

692
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: would have went home. Look, we all have hard days

693
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: at work and stuff, and then some guys want to

694
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: get home and they want to pick up a beer.

695
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: Fucking wear it on a chim mate. It's been a

696
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: hard day, Wear it on a tin. Do it you've

697
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: got to do and go to bed and get up

698
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: fresh in the morning. You don't have to piss, you know,

699
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 2: drink drink it away and it will do the drugs

700
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: or whatever, whatever you do, whatever your masking agent is,

701
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: you know, just yeah, you just got to move forward.

702
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: And that's a route. Like, look, what could have At

703
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: that time, I said to myself, I want to you know,

704
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: I want to do what my brother would have wanted

705
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: me to do. My brother would have wanted to fight

706
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 2: the pound for pound best fighter in the world. My

707
00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 2: brother would have wanted to knock out one. And you're

708
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: markets and being this glorified champion. But guess what, STARTHI

709
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: wasn't with me anymore. STARTHI was gone. And really, really,

710
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: when you think about it, STARTHI would have wanted me

711
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: to do what was best for me. And when we're

712
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: flying in an airplane and the air hostess says, you

713
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,919
Speaker 2: fixed in the case of an accident, fix your mask

714
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: before you fix your childs because you can't fix anyone

715
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: else's anything if you can't help yourself, like I really needed.

716
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I needed to look after me.

717
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: You look, you need to look after number one and

718
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: looked and as I think you said earlier, you know

719
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: some hard truth that I was told no one really

720
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: gives a fuck. No one really does. It's just until

721
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: you've got life minded people and they are for what

722
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: you are for and it all comes together and then yeah, okay,

723
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: then you know, then people can care because you are

724
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: full the same sort of thing. But you know, I

725
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: should have dealt with that. I should have not taken

726
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: that fight, because by doing so, and then by taking drugs,

727
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: by drinking alcohol, I have procrastinated, and it's prolonging the pain.

728
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: And fourteen years later, I'm here telling a story which

729
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: which I'm thankful for too. I'm thankful that I can

730
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 2: share this story, and I hope that anyone listening doesn't

731
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: go down the same road that that I go, and

732
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: can actually listen to what I'm saying, so that if

733
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: you like watching my fids, if you like what I've done,

734
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: you liked my career, and you like that, then maybe

735
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: you can take some respect and you can you can

736
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: maybe you can respect what I say and that you

737
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: know it can happen to anyone. As you said earlier, yeah.

738
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, mate, What so, if if anything, what what

739
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: did you so? Like you said earlier, you spent two

740
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 1: years life job, what did you what did you take

741
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: away from that? Did you you know? Did you I mean,

742
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to be in jail, but did

743
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: you learn? Did you grow? Did you get clarity? Did

744
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: you get awareness like what happened?

745
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: Yes, I got clarity because I got sobriety. You know, Well,

746
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: it's just before I went to the job, when I

747
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: found out that there was a wearing out for my arrest,

748
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: that there was an investigation, and on when my fingerprints

749
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: were down on bags of cocaine and the safe at

750
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 2: the house that was a raid was done on. Look, look,

751
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 2: you know that was it. I said, right, that's it. Okay,

752
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 2: I quit, okay, and that's it because it was so

753
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 2: fucking real, like when you get that phone call Ado Michael,

754
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: it's the it's the handred police here. And I was

755
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: going to let you know, look, I followed your career

756
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: and I supported Green. I followed your brother's career. Right, yeah,

757
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: this this is how the conversation went. You know, Like

758
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: I was, I was high as a kite. I was

759
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: sitting there. I'll tell you this. I was high as

760
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: a kite and I was like sitting on sitting on

761
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: the poker machines, and I just said like I was

762
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: just like I was just really lost my life. I

763
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: wear my life going to and I've gone through shiploads

764
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 2: of money and I've gone through the last cent just

765
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: literally the last ten cent bet one cent bet. And

766
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: then the phone call wrings it's a private number. Hello,

767
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: this is Detective David Brooks from the handred of PlayStation

768
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: just kind of let you know that. You know, first

769
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 2: of all, it was very polite and respectable and the

770
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 2: way that he said things, and you know, very you know,

771
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 2: and then friendom my career. But it's going to say

772
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: that your parole has been revoked and that you were

773
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: remaining in jail until these matters are dealt with and

774
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And I just went, you

775
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 2: know what, I said, thank you very much for letting

776
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: me know. I appreciate the phone call.

777
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And then they came and collected you or

778
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: what happened?

779
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: No, I went handed myself in there. Oh wow, yeah

780
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: you want to there just here go yeah, hand up me.

781
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: I've got to get off drugs. I got to stop

782
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: drinking alcohol. Like man, like when you're a three time

783
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: world boxing champion, when you're saying you come from the

784
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: same your brother, and know you're both like rubb and

785
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: shoulders with the likes of Oscar the la Joie. You know,

786
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: I got Australia's best athletes as well, like I got

787
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: some great mates here in Australia and the successful business

788
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: people I always love talking about. Made a trip vis

789
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: the owner of the Melbourne Storm, like I love being

790
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: able to have these people lean on for support. And

791
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: I rang him and I told him, I said, I'm

792
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: going to get hid myself in, like I put my

793
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: hand up in you and you and I went and

794
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: and you know, I just owned it. I owned it.

795
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: What else can you do? Like you I own it,

796
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: like you pull your head in, you know. That's what

797
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: I had to do.

798
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: And was it after two years inside? Was it a

799
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: big adjustment coming out? Yeah?

800
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: Wow? Like the technology, like the way they do, like

801
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 2: you can do everything's on the phone now everyone's always

802
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: on their phones. By the way. Now I've noticed, like

803
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 2: you know, there's the big changes with a lot of

804
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 2: that stuff. And everyone looked a lot younger.

805
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: That's hilarious and I've a lot.

806
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: Older, you know, But things and a lot of changes

807
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 2: happened within me, like things slow down a lot. Yeah,

808
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: you know, like my wanting to run as much as

809
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, always like running, always like being active and

810
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: all that logo. I just feel like I need to

811
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 2: take my time with everything that I do. And I

812
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: still I'm still a very active person. Look, look I am.

813
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: I'm finding a lot of pleasure, Like I find a

814
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: real I find a lot of passion and want to

815
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: help people. You know. So I've got now on my Instagram,

816
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 2: like I'm advertising I'm doing a bulletproof mindset course, so

817
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: you know, people, I just want to really want to

818
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: help people find their best. That's what I'd love to

819
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: be able to do this full time for work and

820
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 2: help people and get something out of that. But you

821
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 2: know there are other people out there that that do

822
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,919
Speaker 2: need help and want help. And you know, I guess

823
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: I found a lot. I love what I love doing,

824
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 2: and you know, like I've got business on the side

825
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: as well, Like I've got a foreign company, you know.

826
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: You know, I like I like giving everything that crack.

827
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: You know, it's just you know, you want to make

828
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: the most. I've got beautiful kids out there, and I cried,

829
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: you know, I missed my daughter, and you know I

830
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 2: got married when I was in Vegas, and I had

831
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: a daughter when I was in Now she's in Japan,

832
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: and well, look, I made a lot of mistakes and

833
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: love a lot of Like I spent a lot of

834
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: time now like basically unraveling and fixing everything I did

835
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 2: with for the time that I was in addiction, like

836
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: a big mess that I created for myself. But like

837
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: you know, every day it's getting better, you know. And

838
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: it's what people may not forgive me straight away, and

839
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: I have to accept that because it's part of the

840
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: actions that we do when we do and you know

841
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: about all this being and the treatment of addiction all

842
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: that like this, and look a look, I'm no scholar,

843
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: Like I'm no good with the twelve steps, so I

844
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: couldn't turn the order that they come in and that.

845
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: But I do know that there's growth in myself. I

846
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: speak to my sponsor, you know, and I'm not someone

847
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: that can sit down and go through the twelve steps

848
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: of how that all works. But I'm very adamant and

849
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: firm on recovery and how important it is to have

850
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: that clarity.

851
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 1: Well, and I think also mate that you know, as

852
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: we said before, it's like there's no three steps to

853
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: even though there it is a twelve step program. I

854
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: think that, like different things work optimally for different people. Yes, yeah,

855
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: And it's not like everyone. It's like with boxing, Not

856
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: everyone should fight the same way, Not everybody should eat

857
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: the same diet, Not everybody will work with the same psychologists, right, Yes,

858
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: not everyone should fucking run on concrete. Someone's going to

859
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: run twice and get injured. Someone's going to run a

860
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: thousand times and not get injured. Right, So it's trying

861
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: to in the middle of all of that, it's trying

862
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: to figure out how do I get clean and sober,

863
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: how do I stay clean and sober, how do I

864
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: become a better human? How do I create a new

865
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: operating system that works? And what are my values? And

866
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: how do I live my values? Right? And that process

867
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: is going to be different because we're all fucking different, right.

868
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Speaker 2: Yes we are. So. Look, Look, if you want something

869
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: more than you want to breathe, I think that you're

870
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: going to get it. Look, if you want a good life,

871
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: if you want a good life and a better life,

872
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: you're going to get it. And if the problem is

873
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: standing in front of your ways out pole or it

874
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 2: is drugs, just say for example, it might be something else,

875
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: it might be other things. Okay, let's just say but

876
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: there is the support out there if you want to

877
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 2: get it, you don't have to sign up to some

878
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: government thing will do that. Then there's not a big

879
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: brig morale of things like that. What I found was

880
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: this is, for example, if you want to get on

881
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: to a meeting and alaholics anonymous meeting or narcotics anonymous meeting,

882
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 2: there's one every thirty minutes all over the world. You

883
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: can get online and these people you don't even know,

884
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: you're never seen them again, say share whatever the funk

885
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: you want, talk about whatever you want, because they're just

886
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: been actually hearing yourself talk and say things. So that's

887
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 2: what I started doing. What I decided to get clean

888
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: before I even went the handle myself in. It took

889
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: me eleven days to let all my kids know and

890
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 2: you know, and just get things sorted. So my time

891
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: actually went in there. But like I did, you know,

892
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 2: and I was dragging my ass around made Dragonmark. But

893
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 2: every spare chance I got, I jumped online and I

894
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: would start learning about this because if I want to

895
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: have a good life, I've got to get clean. That

896
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: was my problem. That was my thing. That was my

897
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: thing that I either deal with, but the other people

898
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: have other things. Yeah, yeah, I totally get that, but

899
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: that was me at that particular point in time. Anyway,

900
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: the resources are available if you want them there and

901
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: then look at and you know, and if you do

902
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: need some help, you know, well guess what you know,

903
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: this is what I found really too. Like you know,

904
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: when you get when you put out in your gars

905
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: and you get out of jail, they give you a

906
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 2: Vinni's card and they give you like a train together.

907
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 2: That's what you've got.

908
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: Hilarious.

909
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got your flip flops and you like you're

910
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: just and you know, like you can you can call

911
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: like and as and as. People might not see this,

912
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 2: but you might have money, or you might have a career,

913
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: you might have a lot going for you. But if

914
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: you don't want to call lifeline, you know, you know

915
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: you can call lifeline and that they'll tell you whatever

916
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: it is, doesn't matter what it is. They will some

917
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: people that are trained in this ship. They'll tell you

918
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: which way to go and what to do. And you

919
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: don't have to be but you can be anyone. But

920
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: just got to drop your fucking ego, you know, like

921
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: just yeah, there's always resources available that will put you

922
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: in contact with someone. This is one big, one big

923
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: network the way the whole world and technology the way

924
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: it works. You can't use it, but just people need

925
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: to drop the fucking ego. And there's a lot of

926
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: shit out there and it is, it is available. I

927
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: really find happiness and enjoyment and working with people that

928
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 2: help me move forward, you know, move forward and going

929
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 2: on on and upwards.

930
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the best way to look after yourself in some

931
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: ways is to have a purpose bigger than you, you know,

932
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: because when you're all, yes, you need to look after

933
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: number one from a mental and physical health point of

934
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: view because that helps you do But in terms of

935
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Speaker 1: having a purpose, you know, part of the reason I

936
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: do this show is like we're sixteen hundred plus episodes

937
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: in and I did. I did two and a half

938
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Speaker 1: three years of this show losing money, but I still

939
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: enjoyed it because we were still helping people and having

940
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: good conversations. You know.

941
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I made it.

942
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: Your ace, I think your fucking ace love you. How

943
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 1: do people? How do people connect with you? Follow you?

944
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: Find you? So give us a shout out to whatever

945
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,760
Speaker 1: your web side or your social media or however liple

946
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: can connect.

947
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Catz this Instagram, Just Michael Cats. This is

948
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 2: my name. Cat's he k A T s I d

949
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Speaker 2: oh yes, Michael. Yeah, that's the best way. You know,

950
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Speaker 2: I've got a bulletproof, bulletproof mindset of course what I'm doing,

951
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 2: and I have the great blueprint with people to want

952
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: to learn the boxing, but if they want to learn

953
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: the mindset, you know I've got I've got different modules

954
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 2: about mental clarity and where I've got my strength from

955
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: a different stages in my life. So yeah, yeah, Michael

956
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Speaker 2: kat on Instagram.

957
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, you're you're a gym. Now, I'm just going

958
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: to tell you a little interesting story before we go. So,

959
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: the one of the girls who's on the podcast with me,

960
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: her name is Tiff. She's she sometimes sits in and

961
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 1: she edits for me. She's a boxer. And you've said,

962
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: you've said Rolling with the Punches a lot, and she's

963
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: got a podcast called called Roll with the Punches. Oh yeah, man,

964
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Speaker 1: it made It's been great. I appreciate you. Thanks for

965
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: coming on the you project. You're a gun. Good luck

966
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: with everything moving forward, and maybe we'll chat again.

967
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that'd be great. Harps. And I appreciate you

968
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 2: mate and everything that you do. Thank you.

969
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Speaker 1: You're a good man.