1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's you project. What else would 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: it be? It's Jumbo, it's Harps. I hope this finds 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: you well, Michael cat CDIs Hi, mate, how are you well? 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 2: Thanks? Craig, how are you? 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm good, buddy? Did I fuck up that pronunciation? I 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: didn't get it right? 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: It's yeah either either. 8 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: Either or well. I should have told you before we 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: went live. Mate. We're a very liberal, laid back conversation. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: We're a very sweary affair. So feel freedom, you know, swear, 11 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: but well you know, if you you don't need to. 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: You don't need to moderate yourself here or with this audience. 13 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: My audience are very familiar to colorful language. So I 14 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: know where you are. But tell my audience where we find. 15 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: You today, Brisbane Queen's Land. 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: Have you been up there forever? You're born? 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: There? 18 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: Is that where you're from? 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 2: Or did you know born in Timba? Yes? I was 20 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: in Twimba most of my life and then with my 21 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 2: career to went to the States. So I was in 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 2: the States for six years. Then the later part of 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: my career started progressing back to Australia. You know, I 24 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: did like a bit of time training out of Melbourne, 25 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: and then of course training Sydney with Johnny Lewis, and 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 2: then back to my roots again, back to with my 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 2: very first trainer, and then it's mean Gold Coast Brisbane. 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were a kid, did you want to 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: be an athlete? Did you want to be a boxer? 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: Did you like a little kid? Did you have aspirations? 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Is that what you wanted to do? 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, like a genetical kind of like it's well, my 33 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: brother and I will both be the same. But for me, 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: I would watch the Rocky movies. I was like seven 35 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: years of age, and I saw like this guy's overcoming adversity. 36 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 2: He had nothing, much like when I grew up as well, 37 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: like we had nothing and come you know, and you know, 38 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: I just said to myself from the age of seven, 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: I want to be a champion. I planned the seed. 40 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: Then I planned the seed then and it wasn't until 41 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: I was about the age of eleven. I was eleven 42 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: and a friend of mine took me down to the 43 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: local PC y C. I put on a put on 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: a set of gloves and ipp two black eyes and 45 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: then I love that, you know, I want to get better, 46 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: you know, so instead of the glass being half full, 47 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 2: half empty. It was half fulled, you know, And I 48 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: was keen to get back there and make sure next 49 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: time that I didn't get beat up as badly. And 50 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: I went back in the next week, I only got 51 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 2: one black eye. I was like, I'm doing better. 52 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: That's fifty percent improvement. Yeah that's hilarious. Yeah, well that's 53 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean that means you build for boxing, right, because 54 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: most kids are going to get punched in the face 55 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: and two black eyes and go fuck that. See you later. 56 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm going to take up fucking running or something. 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't see that. 58 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: Yeah did you have Obviously you had an innate talent, 59 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: but how much and you ended up being a world 60 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: ampion and all of those things and Olympic athletes or 61 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: fucking amazing. How much of your success do you reckon 62 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: was innate talent? And how much do you reckon was work, discipline, 63 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: self control, sweat? 64 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: Yep? So, like world champions aren't made overnight. And then 65 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: you asked any businessman, any successful person, whatever they do, 66 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 2: it didn't happen overnight. And you know, and you know, 67 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 2: some people look at other people that are wealthy and 68 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: they say, oh, look, you're just lucky. You know, but 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: it's not luck, you know, Like they'll tell you there's 70 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 2: a strategy, there's certain things, there's certain things in their 71 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 2: their genetics so to speak, as I said earlier, the 72 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: things that they're in their makeup that brings them to 73 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: being that. Like I wasn't just born being able to 74 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: cop hits in the head, like I just told you earlier. 75 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: You know, I got two black eyes, you know, but 76 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: it was my my will to want to go back 77 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: and be better at doing that. Like I found I 78 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: found a love for it. I found an interest and 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: as like an addiction, like I wanted to keep on 80 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 2: doing so whatever whatever people I surrounded myself with, or 81 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: was the people that were going to better me because 82 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: I took an interest in what they do that we 83 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: were interested in the same thing. We had like minded 84 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: interest and and I want I want to growth and 85 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: that was just naturally within me. Yeah, what was the. 86 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: I'm always interested, Like I reckon, if I had been 87 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: you mate and I went down I got punched in 88 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: the face, I would have been fuck that, Like I know, 89 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I would have been right. I don't have whatever you have, 90 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: I don't have. That doesn't mean that you know, it's yeah, 91 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: but it's what was the driver for you. Did you 92 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: did you associate being a boxer with well, if I'm 93 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: a boxer, I can look after myself and I'll be safe, 94 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: or did you associate it with getting out of you know, 95 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: like poverty or you know, financial hardship, and thinking boxing 96 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: might be a ticket to some kind of financial freedom. 97 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 2: From from the get go. Okay, So if you want 98 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: to get into boxing to make money in the wrong 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: business and ain't a money business, like only the very 100 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 2: few slipped through the cracks, only the very few can 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: make it to the top end. It's a really hard, 102 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 2: long road and I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone 103 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 2: but the psychological battle and this is the thing that 104 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 2: you know, psychological side of things, and you would agree 105 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: no doubt. But the I planted a seed from the 106 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: age of seven, and like, over years, like I always 107 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 2: took an interest, like I love the rocky so soon 108 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: as I see the box and stuff, I took a 109 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: bit of an interest, you know, so you know, like 110 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: I would, I would slowly progressively get used to being hit, 111 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 2: used to see if you see me now, and then 112 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: there's something moving towards me, and I moved towards up 113 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: for the understubled the power. But that's coming from the 114 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: I'm the target and I'm moving away. So you learn, 115 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 2: you learn, okay, so roll with the punches. It's the 116 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: saying you're going to roll with the punches, and same 117 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: as in life, you know, you roll with the punches. 118 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: And that's something that I became adapted to adapt too. 119 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: And it was the plant, the seed that I planted 120 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 2: in my mind from such a young age, and then 121 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: I've gone into actually physically doing it. At the pc YIC, 122 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: I thought it was so great. I thought it was 123 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: amazing that, you know, these kids into getting there and 124 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: having a crack. I thought I could do this. I 125 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: can have a crack at this and I can actually 126 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: you know, neutralize their attacks and I can start, you know, 127 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 2: cop the damage. And it looks pretty good. It looks 128 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: it looks it feels pretty good to do this thing. 129 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,599 Speaker 2: Because when I first walked in there made it was intimidating, 130 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 2: it very intimidating. But to overcome that, to overcome that 131 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: intimidating and to be that guy in there doing it, 132 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: and then then to train to the point where you 133 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: have your first fight, which I did It doesn't matter 134 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: what age are. You can be fIF fifty years old 135 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: and have your first fight. But for an eleven year 136 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 2: old kid to get in there, and I was so look, 137 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: I'll go on it. I was so scared to throw 138 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: my right hand. I was just so scared, scared kid 139 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: because I was at the Wilson and Pub in Timba 140 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: and everyone's watching it. It's like a real packed environment. 141 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 2: And I was that guy on that stage, you know that, 142 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: you know, doing doing the thing, and yeah, I had 143 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: overcome some real fears to get through that bite. 144 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Can you tell me you were eleven years old when 145 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: you had your first fight? 146 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 147 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, what the fuck in a pub? In a pub? 148 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. 149 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: That's surely that doesn't happen now. Like they're not. They're not. 150 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: They're not putting eleven year olds in boxing rings in 151 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: pubs in twenty twenty four, are they? 152 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: You don't have to be ten, to be honest with 153 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: you only have to be ten, and they are, they are, 154 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 2: And it's a it's a real look, it's a real 155 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: you know, well back in the day o case, they 156 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 2: growing up, you know, got that you know, like like 157 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: guys would have a scrap right, and that you know, 158 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: they'd have the differences and they might have a scrap 159 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: and you know they do the old old English, so 160 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: you know, they a punch. 161 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: And they shake hands after it, you know, yes, yes, 162 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: hiding in. 163 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: Backyard boxing, it become like a part and part of 164 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 2: the parcel. And these days it's like kids don't even 165 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: know what they're doing by the time they get in 166 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: the fight. They don't even know how to control these emotions. 167 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: They don't know how to match the physical with the 168 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: emotion they're feeling, and they just go stupid to pick 169 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: up a knife and stab someone or kick them in 170 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: the head when they're down. And there's a lot to 171 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: be said about the old school method of learning and 172 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: that and I really respect that. Yeah, maybe you know, 173 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: the psychological side, you know, there's a lot to be desired, 174 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: but there is like you know, maybe they didn't go 175 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: a bit too far, but there is some good that 176 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: was taken from that. You know, like to learn it 177 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: in the boxing and you know, to learn a bit 178 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: about the art of art of war. And you know, 179 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: I really did like the old school way of doing things. 180 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I mean I'm a big fan of martial 181 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: arts and boxing and all the various forms of training 182 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 1: in that space. And I mean, the only the only thing. 183 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: There's only one thing I don't like about combat sports, 184 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: and that's potential brain damage that comes with it, right, 185 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 1: and that's just because that's because of who I am 186 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: and my job than like I work. I've worked with 187 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,839 Speaker 1: lots of people that have gotten the CTA and one 188 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: of my one of my athletes that I trained, I 189 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: won't mention his name, but he ended his own life 190 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: and because of that, you know, so that I hate 191 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: that part of it, but I fucking love you know, 192 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: the discipline, the structure, the accountability, the environment where you're 193 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: learning how to use your body in a different way. 194 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: You're learning how to defend yourself if you need to, 195 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: you know, And you're right, Like you make a really 196 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: good point, Michael, and that is that you know, kids 197 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: growing up like they've still got all the same emotions 198 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: that we had thirty years ago, you know, like when 199 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: I was a kid fucking two hundred years ago, but 200 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: like you're growing up, you've got all these emotions. If 201 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: you're a boy, you've got testosterone fucking running around your 202 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: body and you're a like you're a fucking idiot. You're 203 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: full of testosterone, you've got the IQ of a wombat, 204 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: and you're trying it and you're trying to figure shit 205 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: out right, And yes, but you're getting back in the day, 206 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: and I'm not recommending at anyone, so don't send me 207 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: an email. But back in the day, you know, we 208 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,359 Speaker 1: were always in scuffles and you know, like not necessarily 209 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: punching each other in the head, but just like minor 210 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: altercations and disagreements and everyone, you know, all of my 211 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: group survived and it's all okay. But but now that 212 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: because we've kind of and I'm not suggesting you know 213 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: that people resolve problems by punching each other in general society, 214 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: I'm not recommending that, but having an outlet, having an 215 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: environment where you can go and learn to hit a 216 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: speedball or a floor to ceiling, or hit a heavy 217 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: bag or hit some pads, you know, and move around 218 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: and feel what it's like for somebody just to you know, 219 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: throw a punch at you, and just I mean, it's 220 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: good on so many levels other than boxing. 221 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: Right, Yes, well, you say what you will about it, 222 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 2: you know, like people have their own opinion. However, look 223 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: at the youth crisis these days, and look at like 224 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: the way kids are reacting when when when they're confronted 225 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: with stuff at home and the trauma that they're not 226 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: dealing with, they have no outlet, there's nothing, So what 227 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: is the better alternative? But you look at the way 228 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: of the old, the way that we were, and then 229 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 2: the way that people have. It's just it's just an 230 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: unsaid thing. You don't like, they don't they don't carry 231 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: on the way they're carrying on now. And this is 232 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: part of my mission now, Like I see, like you know, 233 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: I've gone through what I've gone through. We can speak 234 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: about that, but you know, I can't wait any longer now, Gary, 235 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: I'm at the point where Craig. 236 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: That's all right, Brian, you got you got here one too. 237 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: Many times, son, I know because I speak. 238 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: So good, so good, carry on Yeah anyway, Yeah, say 239 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: what you will, but you know I can't wait any longer. 240 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: And you know, I like to, you know, empower others. 241 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 2: I like to see, you know, like to see kids 242 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: out having to crack and doing something with their lives 243 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: and have an adverts you have something they can have 244 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: the energy you know, spent on. 245 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, when was the first time somebody said to you, 246 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: you might be really fucking good at this, like you 247 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: you could like when did somebody first encourage you and say, 248 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: you know, it's good that you're doing all this, but 249 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 1: you actually are talented. 250 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I had really good support from my parents, 251 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: you know, like they we my brother and I both 252 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: chose to be in the sport of kings, you know, 253 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: racing and boxing. So whatever we wanted to do, they 254 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: didn't say this, and you're going to boxing today. I 255 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 2: chose to go to boxing, you know I did. My 256 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: brother wasn't made to get up at three o'clock in 257 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: the morning to start picking up shit at the stables. 258 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 2: You know that he chose to do that. That was 259 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: his decision. You know, he chose to leave school before 260 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: grade ten. He chose to becoming a fan of Shocky. 261 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: He would run up and get the newspaper every weekend, 262 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: especially the know in Timber when we had the big 263 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: wheat Wood Cup every year. You know, he would get 264 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 2: that every time without fail. You know, that was his drive, 265 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 2: you know, like he wanted. So we were very self 266 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: driven and we had support from our parents. But they 267 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: did answer your question. I didn't really care. You know, 268 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't really care. It's just like I 269 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: took my like I look and and there's another question 270 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 2: as well, like I like, you know, was I just gifted? 271 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: You know? Did I have the talent? No? I didn't, 272 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: you know, I didn't. I chose to, you know, I 273 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: chose to get better. I wasn't the fastest guy in 274 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 2: the world. I wasn't the most skilled person in the world. 275 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: But but I I built on those those strengths, you know, 276 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: you know, and then my weaknesses and you know, like 277 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 2: I was looking at some guys you know when you're 278 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: a kid, and then you're watching this when we never 279 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: went Fox Fox TV, I still come out still and 280 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: Fox Sports, and I went first to pay TV and 281 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: you're watching a five season. I saw these guys fighting, 282 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: and I was like, Oh, we're ever going to be 283 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: that good. These guys are amazing. And then eventually I 284 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: was looking at this guy called Joel Psmas are three 285 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: times on MPI and gold medalist, and he's a Hall 286 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 2: of Fame and he's all this and all that. Then 287 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: one day I've gone from this fifteen year old to 288 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: this twenty eight year old, twenty seven year old was 289 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: he was standing across me on the other side of 290 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: the ring. You know, we're about to fight, and wow, 291 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 2: I know and like I said to myself and I 292 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: knew this, look my best way to shorten these guys 293 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 2: boxing the ability was to hit them really fucking hard. 294 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 2: You know, that's a really fucking hard like you know, 295 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: I know you guys can do all these moves and 296 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: you've been brought up and learning all these fancy things 297 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 2: and that. But I'm going to hit your real fucking 298 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: hard and put the fear of life into you, and 299 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: then we're going to see how good your boxing is. 300 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: And that's that's just that was my way of overcoming 301 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: their fancy skill things. I just get right in their face. 302 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: Given the room, that was my psychology, that was my mentality, 303 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: you know, like you want to be tough, you want 304 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: to be heardache, I'm going to go harder, you know, 305 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: and I'll just keep on stepping it up and stepping 306 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 2: it up. So I do the same sort of thing 307 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: in training as well. I'd get really really really get 308 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 2: a big role and I get really really tired. But 309 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: have I got any more? And I dig a big deeper. Yeah, 310 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: I got more. I got more and dig deeper and deeper, 311 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: and I keep going and have I got Yeah, I 312 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: got more. I just keep pushing it and keep pushing it, 313 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 2: and then eventually that I'll become this thrashing machine. 314 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: I reckon. You know, that's interesting. I reckon in life, 315 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: like a lot of it is about in boxing, but 316 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: in other sports, in building a business, in building a brand, 317 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: in getting through some of the ship that you've gotten 318 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: through in the last few years, which we'll talk about, yes, 319 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: but it's like about how much pain can you deal with? 320 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 2: How much? 321 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 1: How much, how uncomfortable can you get and. 322 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: For how long? Right? 323 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: How much? Because you know, here's the here's the My 324 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: listeners are sick of me saying this ship, but you 325 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: and I are talk him for the first time. So like, 326 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: where we grow is in the pain, Like where we 327 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: get better is in the discomfort. That's where you develop 328 00:15:56,600 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: awareness and in a boxing sense, skill and competence, understanding windcraft, 329 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: all that. Like, but you can't get good at boxing 330 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: without going through the two black eyes you got on 331 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: day one, right, Like, you can't get good at what 332 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: you won't do. And there are so many talented people 333 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: in boxing outside of boxing, you know, in business, in 334 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: fucking singing, in music, in whatever. They just won't get 335 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: uncomfortable for long enough. Like you and me sound a 336 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: little bit the same, like in that I'm not very well. 337 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: You're definitely a much better athlete than I would have 338 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: ever been. But what I mean is, I'm not the smartest. 339 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm not the most creative. I'm not the most physiologically gifted. 340 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: I don't have you know, all that stuff. And you 341 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: get to the point where you go, well, I can't 342 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: wake up tomorrow with more talent or better genetics, So 343 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: I better just fucking work hard, you know, Like, because 344 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: that's the one thing I can control. I can control 345 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: how hard I work, and I can control to an extent, 346 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: how strong I get, how fucking aerobically fit I am. 347 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 1: I can develop my skill, you know, and I can 348 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: be courageous because that's a choice as well. 349 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: Right, that's right, it is, it is. And look, look 350 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: I did get like I did get a lot of 351 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: the warning signs, you know, like like some people said 352 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 2: to me, Look how long did they say? In American 353 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: I think it was Max Calluman who would interview on me. 354 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, and a lot of interviews I've seen my style. 355 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: I was just in that face. I'm just pushing up, 356 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: pushing up, pushing up, you know. Always it's been right 357 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: in the face ID like top three hitches to given 358 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 2: one and they would say, how long I can't see this? 359 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 2: How long do you think your career will last like this? 360 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: You know, like you know, and looking back hindsight, it's 361 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: such a wonderful thing. And that's where I'm in this 362 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 2: position now where I can pass on the message to 363 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: other people, know, you know, like how long can you 364 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: keep on doing that for? Because you need to you 365 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 2: need to also, you know, think smarter, not harder. You know, 366 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: there's one thing to be hard. But there's also some guys, 367 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 2: you know, they get in the gym and they want 368 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: to be harder. They want to be hard man. They 369 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: want to be hard man. But look that the fights 370 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 2: don't like I relate boxingto life in a lot of ways. 371 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: But like they get in there and they start sparring 372 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: and they're doing a show right there in the gym, 373 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: and by the time they get their first fight out 374 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: of the bad, they're already construct they're just pissing up 375 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: the war contest his ego contests, you know, like work 376 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: on your skills in other ways and smarter ways. There's 377 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: definitely a lot smarter ways to do things. And that 378 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: comes back to you know, like you've done a lot 379 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 2: of work in the sport sports physiology and that look, 380 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 2: I actually speak to a doctor every every week. I'd 381 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 2: meet up with him because we'd have some really interesting 382 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: conversations and he'd work on the psychology side of things 383 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: with me. And I was as this ego kid, you know, 384 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 2: I had this ego like you said, testosterone, young gumfuller. Come, 385 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, you can tell me things a thousand times 386 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: and unless I actually respected you, you know, like, and 387 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: I knew back now now thinking back talking to this 388 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: doctor that I sort of thought I knew a bit 389 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: better than him. 390 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just thought. 391 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: I just I just know that I had that little 392 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: chip on my shoulder. And he was saying, now, Michael, 393 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: because I'm undefeated, right, twenty three fights, twenty three wins, 394 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: twenty one knockouts, like I'm thinking on the ship, right, 395 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 2: And then she says, how are you going to react 396 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,239 Speaker 2: when you have your first loss? You know, like just 397 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: asking the question, he just went and I'm like, fucking, 398 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: how do you consider that? I'm to have a loss 399 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: like that, that was my attitude fucking now like I did. 400 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: I didn't see that one coming, and not only to 401 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 2: have my loss, like I lost my brother as well, 402 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: so it's just gone crash boom boom boom. And he 403 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 2: was like, you need to prepare yourself. Don't prepare yourself. 404 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: He was saying, basically, don't prepare yourself for failure, but 405 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 2: prepare yourself for things not always go the way that 406 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: you're plan you know, but they're not always going to 407 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 2: go the way that you're plan. Like I just recently 408 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: spent a couple of days with George Cambosas for those 409 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 2: who don't know who is he's a unified lightweight world 410 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: champion of the world and he's just he's lost his 411 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: title again recently. The bloke has done things that you know, 412 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: no other Australian fighters have done, like very if you 413 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,239 Speaker 2: have done anyway, and he's a big name, you know. 414 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: But I see the way that he does things. He's 415 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 2: just like he does things so neatly and so everything 416 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,680 Speaker 2: is accountab like he puts everything neat in the place 417 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: and has like a structured way of doing things. But 418 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: there also comes this other part where you've got to 419 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: roll with the punches and you've got to adapt and stuff. 420 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: And like I'm just I'm telling you our harps, you know, 421 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: Like I wish I listened to guys like you a 422 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 2: bit more now. So if it's any message I can 423 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 2: pass on to these these kids and everyone's well wherever. 424 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 2: The psychological state of mind is so powerful in everything 425 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 2: we do every day. I can't even express it enough. 426 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you know, some of us are slow learners, mate, 427 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: I am you are. That's okay, but we're still fucking learning. 428 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: But I think also, you know, like obviously no one'm 429 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: wants to lose, but life gives. Life gives no fucks 430 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: about your feelings or my feelings, right, Life doesn't give 431 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: a shit about you. Doesn't mean nobody gives a shit, 432 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: but life doesn't care about your feelings, or your outcomes 433 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: or your boxing record. Life doesn't care if I have 434 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: three listeners or three million listeners, or if I'm making 435 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: a few bucks or all the bucks. Life doesn't care. 436 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: And it's like that, even though it was painful that 437 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: first loss, and even though you wish you never had it, 438 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: I guess, but you learn something about yourself, right, and 439 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 1: it might not be something you want to learn in 440 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: the short term. But like if you don't know how 441 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: to deal with disappointment or failure or pain or grief, 442 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: fucking good luck trying to live. Because disappointment, as you 443 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: know with your brother, grief, loss, pain, tragedy. Fuck dude. 444 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,360 Speaker 1: I mean that's just like this is just stuff that 445 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: the human experience means that we've got to deal with 446 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: that eventually. 447 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 3: Right. 448 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I'll tell you now, like had I prepared 449 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 2: myself to deal with things when it happened, maybe my 450 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 2: life wouldn't have taken the road that it did. But 451 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,239 Speaker 2: you know, when I had that first loss, you know 452 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: I was I look back and I can look back 453 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 2: now and I can tell you clearly like I planted 454 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: that seed in my head for that loss back when 455 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 2: I was a kid watching watching TV. Think when I 456 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: said to myself, I'm never going to be that good. 457 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 2: I said, I said it to myself there and then, 458 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: and I was punching these guys all that come before me. 459 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 2: They would fall, and I thought I was this olter 460 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: Ego god, this Achilles warrior, half Greek rah rah rah 461 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 2: blah blah, and believe in my own lies and just 462 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 2: and and then then comes the problems with addiction. You know, 463 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: then you find something and you're like, you like picking 464 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 2: up a drink, and then you start swinging into the drugs, 465 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: and then your life just starts tumbling and falling and 466 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: it just becomes like an avalanche and just one thing 467 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 2: leads to another, and like you're looking in this this 468 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: spot and look, yep, I tell you I landed in jail. 469 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 2: You know, I've got myself for two years jail, and 470 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm thinking to myself, well, fucking 471 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 2: how great is this? You know, how great is this? 472 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: Because I have gratitude. I'm thankful I'm here now, and 473 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 2: I know I know the only way I'm going to 474 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 2: get out of the ship is by looking up and 475 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: forward and don't look back, and just share my story, okay, 476 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: talk about where I've been and tell other people that 477 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 2: I don't want to go there. It's a fucking ship place, 478 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: you know. And I have gratitude that I'm alive, I'm well, 479 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,679 Speaker 2: and I've had the luxury of having the support that 480 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 2: I've had, and I've have so many people that do 481 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 2: care about me. I'm thankful for the life that I've had, 482 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 2: and I'm going to get out and I'm going to 483 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 2: tell my story and I'm become a much better person 484 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: than I was before. 485 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: Good on your man. I love that. I love to 486 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: hear that. And you look amazing. You look clear and clean. 487 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: It's sober and articulate. And for a bloke who's been 488 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: punched in the head a lot, you can even string 489 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: up a few words together. Now, there's no there's no 490 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: obvious cte. So well done. You must have a head 491 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: like a fucking coconut. 492 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know about the CD yet. We'll find out. 493 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, let's keep our fingers crossed. It's it's it's 494 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I only just met you, but I'm I'm 495 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 1: kind of proud of you, even in this short term 496 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: of where you were to, where you to, where you've come, 497 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 1: and where you're heading. So I want to So one 498 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: of my roles, which I didn't tell you before we 499 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: went live, is for quite a while, about four or 500 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: five years, I worked as a consultant for a drug 501 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: and addiction rehab Yeah. Yeah, So I spent a lot 502 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: of time working with people battling booze and addiction in 503 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: gender broadly, right, So I'm interested. And so for you, 504 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: do you think that, like for a lot of people, 505 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: using using whatever it is they're using, is a mechanism 506 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: to get out of psychological and emotional pain, like to 507 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: escape that because you just don't want to fucking sit 508 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: in that feeling all that sit in that mindset and 509 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: when you use all of a sudden, now I'm in 510 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: a better place in inverted commerce, right yeah? Was that 511 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: part of it for you is to get out of 512 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: that pain of having to deal with stuff? 513 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So yeah, looking back, I can say that 514 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: because but before I could even realize that. So if 515 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 2: you're sitting there right now, listen to this and you're 516 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 2: pissed off, your brain off, your high as a kite, 517 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 2: you know you might not be able to see this, 518 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,359 Speaker 2: but leave me when I say it. You know you're like, 519 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: you need clarity to really see you need clarity. You 520 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 2: need to have the clarity. And look like, I had 521 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 2: a lot of pain. You know, I was dealing with loss. 522 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: I was dealing with you know, I'll tell you, I'll 523 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: tell you what I dealt with. You know, I lost 524 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: my brother and I grew up very very close. We 525 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: talk all the time he was Australia's leading jockey. He 526 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: was racing in the Melbourne Cup. And it was a 527 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 2: week till he rode in the favorite shoot out in 528 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 2: the Melbourne Cup. And I was fighting in three weeks. 529 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 2: In three weeks, I was fighting against to count the 530 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: pound best fighter in the world. So this is a 531 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: fight that would make my household name. I'm on the 532 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 2: phone with my brother and you know, like we're talking 533 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: about his right next week in the Melbourne Cup, he's 534 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 2: going to win the Melbourne Cup. Like the times present. 535 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: Him and that horse have good relationship. My brother was 536 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 2: going to be after all these years, all these worker, 537 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: was going to be the best writer in Australia. And 538 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 2: when the Melbourne Cup, it's a big thing. And we 539 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: had a long conversation at least a couple of hours, 540 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 2: and then you know, in the morning, I get a 541 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: phone call from from Brendon. He says, meet me at 542 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: the gym. Get on your motorbike, because we get around 543 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 2: the scooter motorbikes in Thailand. I was in training camp 544 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 2: and I get it and I knew something. He said, 545 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 2: turn your phone off. So I did exactly what he said. 546 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 2: I get on the motorbike and I go down and 547 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 2: meet him. I said, Brendon, what's happened to someone who's 548 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 2: died having a and he said, yeah, it's your brother. 549 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 2: And I just fell to the ground and started crying, mate, 550 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: and just even talking about it now, it's just really 551 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 2: living like his face. You know, he was the same 552 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: as me. He's just found to picture. It seems the 553 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 2: media hard about Stathi and I it was a hard thing, 554 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 2: and but look, I want to share that because I 555 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: want to share that because you know, when you look 556 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 2: at like, you know, I got close with a lot 557 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: of athletes and people like Mick Fenning. You know, just 558 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: just the reason why I mentioned Mick Fenning's name is 559 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 2: because he's the guy that lost his brother as well, 560 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 2: and he had a choice on which way he wanted 561 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: to go, what he wanted to do, And I just 562 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 2: decided to start masking the pain immediately, and in three 563 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 2: weeks time, I'm fighting the pound for pound best fighter 564 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: in the world. I decided to stop drinking and doing 565 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: drugs ten days before the fight, because I, you know, 566 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: I just thought I'm not going to be able to 567 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: have the fight, you know in the first place. If 568 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 2: you don't pass a drug test, and you know, and 569 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: I've just the media couldn't mention his name to me 570 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: because I would burst out crying. Is they they put 571 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 2: a media ban on that. But I've dropped the pound 572 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 2: for pound best fighter in the world. I put him 573 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 2: on his arse and then as I've gone to finish him, 574 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 2: I could hear the complicators yelling, and he's thinking of 575 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 2: his brother. And for the first time my fucking life, 576 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 2: I've hesitated when it come to finishing. I just went 577 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 2: in my own head and I started like thinking too 578 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,720 Speaker 2: much or maybe I shouldn't shure know. I just went 579 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 2: to that wow, and I would never give a fuck 580 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 2: what was going on outside. I was My eye was 581 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: on my poont what his hands were doing, what his 582 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: legs were doing, what his eyes were doing, what is 583 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 2: and where do I need to execute to finish this guy? 584 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 2: Like what I need to do? And my mind was elsewhere. Mate. Anyway, 585 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: he's recovered, he's come back later in the fight, and 586 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: then they stopped the fight in his favor. You know, 587 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 2: we could be having a different conversation today, but I 588 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: can tell you now I won the fight. I was 589 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: fighting Shane Maizy. It was it Shane Mozy, But I 590 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: was I set the fight MANI Pacio, I set the fight, 591 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 2: Shane Mazi. I was on the list for Mayweather a 592 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: few times, you know, as a four through guy. But 593 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: I was that guy. I was one of the most 594 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 2: exciting fighters in the world. And I can tell you 595 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: in now half if I'd become that world wide household name, 596 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 2: all that would have happened, as the plot would have thickened, 597 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 2: the money would have been higher, and my might tumble 598 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: and paw would have been barg greater than what it 599 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 2: already was. So I have gratitude. I have gratitude. I'm 600 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: a sitting funny and now saying I'm glad I went 601 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: to jail. I'm glad I learned the hard way because 602 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 2: that was the only fucking thing that was going to 603 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: bring into clarity. It was the only thing that was 604 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: going to bring bring me into recovery. And one thing 605 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 2: that I learned in recovery is the best way to 606 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 2: keep something is by giving it away. So I'd start 607 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: my level NA and narcotics anonymous and aa AA groups. 608 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: There is talking with groups and prisoners in jail and stuff, 609 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 2: and I really related to a lot of people I 610 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 2: really a lot of people there, and there's a lot 611 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 2: of people that's dealt with a lot of trauma in 612 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: their life, a lot of abuse, a lot of sexual 613 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 2: abuse and violence, and they had problems with addictions. And 614 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: I could relate to a lot of these people because 615 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: guess what, I was one of those kids that was 616 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: sexually abused. That happened to me, and that changed your 617 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 2: whole fucking mindset. That fucks you up, you know, And 618 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: I would love the chance. I've just recently found out 619 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: the name of the guy that did it to me, 620 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 2: and I would love the chances to sit in front 621 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 2: of me and say, hey, mate, you really fucked my life. 622 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 2: Not only my life, but my brother like because he 623 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: too found masking of the pain and at the end 624 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: of drugs and alcohol and now he's dead as a result. 625 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 2: And it's affected my family and my career. My entire 626 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: empire has crumbled. And these predators are predators that are 627 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,080 Speaker 2: out there. Listen to this. You fuck the society, you 628 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 2: fuck people's lives. Because most of these guys in jail 629 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: that are fucked up have done these suba things. I 630 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 2: don't even know where they are and what they're doing 631 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 2: because of that out of their brain. They just want 632 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: to master pain. And that's due to a lot of this. 633 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 2: And like you've been really, really surprised how many people 634 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: are victims of sexual abuse. I don't know how we 635 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 2: even got onto this. 636 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: But made it's relevant, it's in it. It's I mean, 637 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: it's like he's like I said to you before we started, mate, 638 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: I don't care where we go, let's just change. And 639 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: I think, but here's the thing, right, it's is it 640 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: a comfortable conversation with people? 641 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: Know? 642 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: But is it real? Yes? Is it necessary that? Yes? 643 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: Do we need to china light on this horrible fucking 644 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: thing that happens? Yes, we do, you know. And the 645 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: thing is that you what I love about this moment 646 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: right now is here's this tough guy, this fucking world 647 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: champion box of this Olympic athlete who's done some great 648 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: shit and some dumb shit, like all of us, haven't you. 649 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, right, I do dumb shit every day, 650 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: you know so. But in the middle of all of that, 651 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: you're being raw and real and vulnerable, and you're telling 652 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: us about stuff that a lot of people understandably would 653 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: struggle to share. But you're not doing it because you 654 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: want glory or attention. You're doing it because you want 655 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: to help other people not go through what you went through. 656 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: You want to stop the fucking morons that do it. 657 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: And also you want people to realize I'm putting words 658 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: in your mouth. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that 659 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: it can happen to anyone. 660 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 2: Right, yes, and it can. It can. Yeah. Look, I 661 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 2: just needed to ask the question to my brother's last 662 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: partner that he had, and I said, my memory doesn't 663 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: certain me so good, but I said, we're getting babysat. 664 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 2: At the same time, I said, did start there saying 665 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 2: anything to you? And she goes, oh, I just started crying. 666 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 2: It really a lot of burst out crying. She said, 667 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 2: he told me inever to tell anyone. Yeah, you never 668 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: tell him, but yes, yes he did, you know, because 669 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 2: I had this dream that that something happened. And it's 670 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: just common sense, right, we're both being baby sat and 671 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 2: then he's and he's one kid that would the same thing, 672 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 2: and he would just keep everything in, He'll keep everything 673 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: all bottled up, and it's no one of the drugs 674 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: end up killing him. Because if I had an out first, 675 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 2: like more physical absertion, not saying that jockey. Being a 676 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: jockey isn't a physical desertion. But now, first, I'm a 677 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 2: bit more outgoing than what my brother was. He was 678 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 2: very much an introvert, and then when he found something 679 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: that he loved it, it just killed him. You know. 680 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: He loved riding, he loved horses, loved it, loved it, 681 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: loved it. But then when the pain of what happened 682 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 2: was still, we're still there and ultimately that's yeah. 683 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, and that was what was that like twenty. 684 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 2: Or yes, October nineteen twenty ten, So. 685 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: It's like fourteen years ago, but it's really like three 686 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: minutes ago, isn't it. 687 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 2: Hey, I can tell you I procrastination prolongs the pain because, 688 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: like I said, with Mick Fenning, with what he did 689 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: with his life, you know, like he just he we 690 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 2: would have went home. Look, we all have hard days 691 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: at work and stuff, and then some guys want to 692 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 2: get home and they want to pick up a beer. 693 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: Fucking wear it on a chim mate. It's been a 694 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 2: hard day, Wear it on a tin. Do it you've 695 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: got to do, and go to bed and get up 696 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: fresh in the morning. You don't have to piss you know, 697 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 2: drink drink it away and it will do the drugs 698 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: or whatever, whatever you do, whatever your masking agent is, 699 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: you know, just yeah, you just got to move forward. 700 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 2: And that's a route like, look, what could have At 701 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 2: that time, I said to myself, I want to you know, 702 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 2: I want to do what my brother would have wanted 703 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: me to do. My brother would have wanted to fight 704 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 2: the pound for pound best fighter in the world. My 705 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:59,959 Speaker 2: brother would have wanted to knock out one. And you're 706 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 2: markets and being this glorified champion. But guess what, STARTHI 707 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 2: wasn't with me anymore. STARTHI was gone. And really, really, 708 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 2: when you think about it, STARTHI would have wanted me 709 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: to do what was best for me. And when we're 710 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 2: flying in an airplane and the air hostess says, you 711 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 2: fixed in the case of an accident, fix your mask 712 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 2: before you fix your childs because you can't fix anyone 713 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: else's anything if you can't help yourself, like I really needed. 714 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I needed to look after me. 715 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 2: You look, you need to look after number one. And look, 716 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 2: and as I think you said earlier, you know some 717 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 2: hard truth that I was told no one really gives 718 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 2: a fuck, No one really does. It's just until you've 719 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,359 Speaker 2: got like minded people and they are for what you 720 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: are for and it all comes together and then yeah, okay, 721 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 2: then you know, then people can care because you are 722 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: full the same sort of thing. But you know, I 723 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 2: should have dealt with that. I should have not taken 724 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: that fight, because by doing so, and then by taking drugs, 725 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: by drinking alcohol, I have procrastinated, and it's prolonging the pain. 726 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: And fourteen years later, I'm here telling a story which 727 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 2: which I'm thankful for too. I'm thankful that I can 728 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 2: share this story, and I hope that anyone listening doesn't 729 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: go down the same road that that I go, and 730 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,359 Speaker 2: can actually listen to what I'm saying, so that if 731 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,839 Speaker 2: you like watching my fids, if you like what I've done, 732 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: you liked my career, and you like that, then maybe 733 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 2: you can take some respect and you can you can 734 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 2: maybe you can respect what I say and that you 735 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 2: know it can happen to anyone. As you said earlier, yeah. 736 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly, mate. What so, if if anything, what what 737 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: did you so like you said earlier, you spent two 738 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 1: years life job, what did you what did you take 739 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: away from that did you you know, did you I mean, 740 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: I know nobody wants to be in jail, but did 741 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: you learn? Did you grow? Did you get clarity? Did 742 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: you get awareness like what happened? 743 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,879 Speaker 2: Yes, I got clarity because I got sobriety. You know, well, 744 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 2: it's just before I went to the job, when I 745 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 2: found out that there was a wearing out for my arrest, 746 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 2: that there was an investigation and on when my fingerprints 747 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 2: were down on bags of cocaine and the safe at 748 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 2: the house that was a raid was done on. Look, look, 749 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,879 Speaker 2: you know that was it. I said, right, that's it. Okay, 750 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 2: I quit okay, and that's it because it was so 751 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 2: fucking real, like when you get that phone call Ado Michael, 752 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 2: it's the it's the handred police here. And I was 753 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 2: going to let you know, look, I followed your career 754 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 2: and I supported Green. I followed your brother's career. Right, yeah, 755 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: This this is how the conversation went. You know, like 756 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 2: I was, I was high as a kite. I was 757 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: sitting there. I'll tell you this. I was high as 758 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 2: a kite and I was like sitting on sitting on 759 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 2: the poker machines, and I just said, like I was 760 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 2: just like I was just really lost my life. I 761 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,320 Speaker 2: wear my life going to and I've gone through shiploads 762 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 2: of money and I've gone through the last cent just 763 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 2: literally the last ten cent bet one cent bet. And 764 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: then the phone call wrings it's a private number. Hello, 765 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 2: this is Detective David Brooks from the handred of PlayStation 766 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: just kind of let you know that, you know, first 767 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 2: of all, it was very polite and respectable and the 768 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: way that he said things, and you know, very you know, 769 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 2: and then friendom my career, but it's going to say 770 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 2: that your parole has been revoked and that you were 771 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: remaining in jail until these matters are dealt with and 772 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah, and I just went, you 773 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 2: know what, I said, thank you very much for letting 774 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 2: me know. I appreciate the phone call. 775 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, And then they came and collected you or 776 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: what happened? 777 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 2: No, I went handed myself in there. Oh wow, yeah 778 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 2: you want just here go yeah, hand up me. I've 779 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 2: got to get off drugs. I got to stop drinking alcohol. 780 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 2: Like man, like when you're a three time world boxing champion, 781 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 2: when you're saying you come from the same your brother 782 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 2: and know you're both like rubb and shoulders with the 783 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: likes of Oscar the la Joie. You know, I got 784 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 2: Australia's best athletes as well, like I got some great 785 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,840 Speaker 2: mates here in Australia and the successful business people I 786 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 2: always love talking about. Made a trip vis the owner 787 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 2: of the Melbourne Storm, like I love being able to 788 00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: have these people lean on for support. And I rang 789 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 2: him and I told him, I said, I'm going to 790 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 2: get hid myself in, like I put my hand up 791 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: in you and you and I went and and you know, 792 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 2: I just owned it. I owned it. What else can 793 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 2: you do? Like you I own it, like you pull 794 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: your head in. You know. That's what I had to do. 795 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: And was it after two years inside? Was it a 796 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: big adjustment coming out? Yeah? 797 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 2: Wow? Like the technology, like the way they do, like 798 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,760 Speaker 2: you can do everything's on the phone now everyone's always 799 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 2: on their phones. By the way, now I've noticed, like 800 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 2: you know, there's the big changes with a lot of 801 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 2: that stuff. And everyone looked a lot younger. 802 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 3: That's hilarious and I've a lot older, you know, but 803 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 3: things and a lot of changes happened within me, like 804 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 3: things slow. 805 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 2: Down a lot, yeah, you know, like my wanting to 806 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 2: run as much as you know, always like running, always 807 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 2: like being active and all that logo. I just feel 808 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 2: like I need to take my time with everything that 809 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 2: I do. And I still I'm still a very active person. Look, 810 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 2: look I am. I'm finding a lot of pleasure, Like 811 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,800 Speaker 2: I find a real I find a lot of passion 812 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,919 Speaker 2: and want to help people, you know, So I've got 813 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 2: now on my Instagram, like I'm advertising I'm doing a 814 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 2: bulletproof mindset course, so you know, people, I just want 815 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 2: to really want to help people find their best. That's 816 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 2: what I'd love to be able to do this full 817 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 2: time for work and help people and get something out 818 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 2: of that. But you know there are other people out 819 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 2: there that that do need help and want help. And 820 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 2: you know, I guess I found a lot. I love 821 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 2: what I love doing, and you know, like I've got 822 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 2: business on the side as well, Like I've got a 823 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 2: foreign company, you know. You know, I like, I like 824 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 2: giving everything that crack. You know, it's just you know, 825 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 2: you want to make the most. I've got beautiful kids 826 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 2: out there, and I cried, you know, I missed my daughter, 827 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: and you know, I got married when I was in 828 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 2: Vegas and I had a daughter when I was in 829 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 2: now she's in Japan, and well, look, I made a 830 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 2: lot of mistakes and love a lot of Like I 831 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 2: spent a lot of time now like basically unraveling and 832 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 2: fixing everything I did with for the time that I 833 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 2: was in addiction, like a big mess that I created 834 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 2: for myself. But like you know, every day it's getting better, 835 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: you know. And it's what people may not forgive me 836 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 2: straight away, and I have to accept that because it's 837 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 2: part of the actions that we do when we do 838 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 2: and you know about all this being and the treatment 839 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,480 Speaker 2: of addiction all that like this, and look a look, 840 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,720 Speaker 2: I'm no scholar, Like I'm no good with the twelve steps, 841 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 2: so I couldn't turn the order that they come in 842 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 2: and that. But I do know that there's growth in myself. 843 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 2: I speak to my sponsor, you know, and I'm not 844 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 2: someone that can sit down and go through the twelve 845 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,240 Speaker 2: steps of how that all works. But I'm very adamant 846 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 2: and firm on recovery and how important it is to 847 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 2: have that clarity. 848 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: Well, and I think also mate that you know, as 849 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 1: we said before, it's like there's no three steps to 850 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,360 Speaker 1: even though there it is a twelve step program. I 851 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:54,239 Speaker 1: think that, like different things work optimally for different people. Yes, yeah, 852 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: And it's not like everyone. It's like with boxing, Not 853 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: everyone should fight the same way. Not everybody should eat 854 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: the same diet, Not everybody will work with the same psychologists, right, Yes, 855 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: not everyone should fucking run on concrete. Someone's going to 856 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: run twice and get injured. Someone's going to run a 857 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,520 Speaker 1: thousand times and not get injured. Right, So it's trying 858 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: to in the middle of all of that, it's trying 859 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: to figure out how do I get clean and sober, 860 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: how do I stay clean and sober, how do I 861 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: become a better human? How do I create a new 862 00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,960 Speaker 1: operating system that works? And what are my values? And 863 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 1: how do I live my values? Right? And that process 864 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: is going to be different because we're all fucking different, right. 865 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,320 Speaker 2: Yes we are. So. Look, Look, if you want something 866 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 2: more than you want to breathe, I think that you're 867 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,200 Speaker 2: going to get it. Look, if you want a good life, 868 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 2: if you want a good life and a better life, 869 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 2: you're going to get it. And if the problem is 870 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 2: standing in front of your ways out pole or it 871 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,839 Speaker 2: is drugs, just say for example, it might be something else. 872 00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 2: It might be other things. Okay, let's just say, but 873 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 2: there is the support out there if you want to 874 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 2: get it, you don't have to sign up to some 875 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 2: government thing will do that. Then there's not a big 876 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 2: brig morale things like that. What I found was this is, 877 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 2: for example, if you want to get on to a 878 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 2: meeting and alaholics anonymous meeting or narcotics anonymous meeting, there's 879 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 2: one every thirty minutes all over the world. You can 880 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 2: get online and these people you don't even know, you're 881 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 2: never seen them again, say share whatever the funk you want, 882 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,240 Speaker 2: talk about whatever you want, because they're just been actually 883 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 2: hearing yourself talk and say things. So that's what I 884 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 2: started doing. What I decided to get clean before I 885 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: even went the handle myself in. It took me eleven 886 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 2: days to let all my kids know and you know, 887 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 2: and just get things sorted. So my time actually went 888 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,799 Speaker 2: in there. But like I did, you know, and I 889 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 2: was dragging my ass around made dragonmark. But every spare 890 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 2: chance I got, I jumped online and I would start 891 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 2: learning about this because if I want to have a 892 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 2: good life, I've got to get clean. That was my problem, 893 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 2: that was my thing, that was my thing that I 894 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 2: either deal with, but the other people have other things. Yeah, yeah, 895 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,160 Speaker 2: I totally get that, but that was me at that 896 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 2: particular point in time. Anyway, the resources are available if 897 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 2: you want them there and then look at and you know, 898 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 2: and if you do need some help, you know, well 899 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,239 Speaker 2: guess what, you know, this is what I found really too. 900 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 2: Like you know, when you get when you put out 901 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 2: in your ass and you get out of jail, they 902 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: give you a Vinni's card and they give you like 903 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,400 Speaker 2: a train together. 904 00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,080 Speaker 1: That's what you've got. Hilarious. 905 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got your flip flops and you like you're 906 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:23,279 Speaker 2: just and you know, like you can you can call 907 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 2: like and as and as. People might not see this, 908 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,359 Speaker 2: but you might have money, or you might have a career, 909 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 2: you might have a lot going for you. But if 910 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 2: you don't want to call lifeline, you know, you know 911 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 2: that you can call Lifeline and that they'll tell you 912 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 2: whatever it is, doesn't matter what it is. They'll like 913 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 2: some people that are trained in this ship, they'll tell 914 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 2: you which way to go and what to do. And 915 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 2: you don't have to be but you can be anyone. 916 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,799 Speaker 2: But just got to drop your fucking ego, you know, 917 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 2: like just yeah, there's always resources available that will put 918 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 2: you in contact with someone. This is one big, one 919 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,880 Speaker 2: big network the way the whole world and technology the 920 00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,919 Speaker 2: way it works. You can't use it, but just people 921 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,839 Speaker 2: need to drop the fucking ego and there's a lot 922 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 2: of shit out there and it is, it is available. 923 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 2: I really find happiness and enjoyment and working with people 924 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,520 Speaker 2: that help me move forward, you know, move forward and 925 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:12,720 Speaker 2: going on on and upwards. 926 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, the best way to look after yourself in some 927 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 1: ways is to have a purpose bigger than you, you know, 928 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: because when you're all, yes, you need to look after 929 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: number one from a mental and physical health point of 930 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,759 Speaker 1: view because that helps you do But in terms of 931 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: having a purpose, you know, part of the reason I 932 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,480 Speaker 1: do this show is like we're sixteen hundred plus episodes 933 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: in and I did. I did two and a half 934 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,120 Speaker 1: three years of this show losing money, but I still 935 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,879 Speaker 1: enjoyed it because we were still helping people and having 936 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: good conversations. You know, Yeah, I made it. Your ace, 937 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: I think your fucking ace love you. How do people? 938 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,839 Speaker 1: How do people connect with you? Follow you? Find you? 939 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,959 Speaker 1: So give us a shout out to whatever your web 940 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 1: side or your social media or however liple can connect. 941 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Catz this Instagram. Just Michael Cats. This is 942 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,279 Speaker 2: my name. Cat's he k A T s I d oh, yes, Michael, Yeah, 943 00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 2: that's the best way. You know, I've got a bulletproof, 944 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,319 Speaker 2: bulletproof mindset of course what I'm doing, and I have 945 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 2: the great blueprint with people to want to learn the boxing, 946 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 2: but if they want to learn the mindset, you know 947 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 2: I've got I've got different modules about mental clarity and 948 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 2: where I've got my strength from a different stages in 949 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,560 Speaker 2: my life. So yeah, yeah, Michael kat on Instagram. 950 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, mate, you're you're a gym. Now, I'm just going 951 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: to tell you a little interesting story before we go. So, 952 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,960 Speaker 1: the one of the girls who's on the podcast with me, 953 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,560 Speaker 1: her name is Tiff She's she sometimes sits in and 954 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,959 Speaker 1: she edits for me. She's a boxer. And you've said, 955 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,600 Speaker 1: you've said Rolling with the Punches a lot, and she's 956 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,399 Speaker 1: got a podcast called called Roll with the Punches. Oh yeah, man, 957 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: it made It's been great. I appreciate you. Thanks for 958 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: coming on the you project. You're a gun. Good luck 959 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: with everything moving forward, and maybe we'll chat again. 960 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that'd be great Harps and I appreciate you 961 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 2: mate and everything that you do. 962 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: Thank you, you're a good man.