Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Harps, it's Tiff, and I'm
Speaker 1: super excited to introduce you to Dr Gladys. We spoke
Speaker 1: about her last week. This is exciting for me and
Speaker 1: I can tell you in over twelve hundred episodes of
Speaker 1: The You Project, I don't think I've ever been more
Speaker 1: excited about a guest. So, without further ado, Dtor Gladys,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Youth Project.
Speaker 2: Oh what a thing to hear at my age.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, like I heard about you, and
Speaker 1: then I read about you, and then I listened to
Speaker 1: you on podcast, and I watched you on YouTube, and
Speaker 1: I went, I want to be I've got a new hero.
Speaker 1: I want to be like you when I grow up.
Speaker 1: When I grow up, I want to be like you.
Speaker 1: How do you How do you enjoy or should I
Speaker 1: say tolerate all the interviews that you now do, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you've always been well known and you've always
Speaker 1: been well respected. But do you enjoy chatting to people
Speaker 1: about your journey or is it just a task that
Speaker 1: you have to tick a box on?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, it's so exciting. I can really hardly. I can't
Speaker 2: put my mind around it. The idea that I could
Speaker 2: imagine such a thing when I was actively in practice
Speaker 2: and then raising the kids and then all of that stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, it's beyond my imagination. So yeah, it's exciting,
Speaker 2: it's wonderful, and everybody's different, and the questions are all
Speaker 2: a lot of them very law the same, but they're
Speaker 2: not the same because they're different people and they're asked differently,
Speaker 2: and so somehow I find myself answering them the same
Speaker 2: but not the same.
Speaker 1: You know, could you imagine? So what are we now?
Speaker 1: Twenty three? So you were you born in nineteen twenty
Speaker 1: uh huh imagine? Could you imagine when you were twenty
Speaker 1: years old in nineteen forty and I said to you,
Speaker 1: gladys in you know, eighty three years or eighty two years,
Speaker 1: you're going to be You're going to be talking to
Speaker 1: this weird man on the other side of the world.
Speaker 1: He's going to be in Australia, You're going to be
Speaker 1: in the US, and you're going to be able to
Speaker 1: see him and talk to him in real time with
Speaker 1: no delay. You would have thought it was one impossible
Speaker 1: or two magic.
Speaker 3: I would have hung up on you. I could not
Speaker 3: have believed it.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not like I can't imagine what one hundred years
Speaker 2: from now is going to be, like, I mean, trying.
Speaker 3: To think that, I know how you know. So you know,
Speaker 3: when I was a kid.
Speaker 2: In school, had no telephone, you know, and in order
Speaker 2: for my parents to let my grandparents in the States
Speaker 2: know that I had been born, they had to send
Speaker 2: a telegram wow, which meant actually the whole thing wire
Speaker 2: had to go through the Atlantic Ocean. At the I mean,
Speaker 2: there was nothing, no and it took and it took
Speaker 2: a letter a month to get from our house to
Speaker 2: the grandparents house.
Speaker 1: So I know, it's just it's I feel like in
Speaker 1: the last year, the last year, the last century, that
Speaker 1: technology has expanded more than in the previous you know,
Speaker 1: ten millennia. Do you how are you with technology? Are
Speaker 1: you I see that you handed your iPhone to your
Speaker 1: son before we got underway. Are you comfortable using your iPhone?
Speaker 1: You technology? My mom's own only, I say, eighty three
Speaker 1: my mom, and she hates it, but I think it's
Speaker 1: because she's scared of it.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I use it. The thing I
Speaker 2: use it the most for is getting calls. And you know,
Speaker 2: I answered, well, actually, John answers, then I answered, and
Speaker 2: you know that kind of stuff. But the big thing
Speaker 2: is it records my steps. I tried to put one
Speaker 2: three thousand, eight hundred steps with my walker around the house.
Speaker 2: I'm not going any place. I'm here, but the things
Speaker 2: I can imagine, the things I can do, and the life.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I can listen to audio books and because I can't
Speaker 2: see very well, but there's nothing wrong with my vision.
Speaker 3: So it's.
Speaker 2: My mother a statement she used to say, well just
Speaker 2: make do you know, when you find yourself in a
Speaker 2: place where you can do, you don't know what you're
Speaker 2: going to do, you just make do?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can you so? For my audience, who are
Speaker 1: meeting you for the first time, we have listeners in
Speaker 1: ninety countries, but the majority of our listeners are Australia
Speaker 1: and New Zealand, could you tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about your childhood and where you grew I know because
Speaker 1: I've been researching you, but yeah, a little bit of
Speaker 1: a snapshot of your background and your story so we
Speaker 1: can get some context.
Speaker 2: I would love to. I was born in India. In fact,
Speaker 2: my mother went into labor with me at the taj Maho.
Speaker 2: I think she's kind of a little drama queen. But anyway,
Speaker 2: I was born in Indian nineteen twenty November thirty and
Speaker 2: I and you know, life went on. I thought life
Speaker 2: was the best thing in the world when I was young,
Speaker 2: before I went to school, because my parents were both
Speaker 2: osteopathic physicians and had gone out to India's medical missionaries.
Speaker 2: So we lived in tents out in the jungle and
Speaker 2: it was wonderful. You know.
Speaker 3: We could run around and play.
Speaker 2: We had had perimeters as to how far we could
Speaker 2: go into the jungle as kids, but we could go
Speaker 2: into the villages and I could play with the village kids.
Speaker 2: And I spoke Hindustani before I spoke English, so you know,
Speaker 2: I knew what was going on. And I had three
Speaker 2: brothers and one sister, and my brother Carl was my
Speaker 2: big tease and he teased me. You know, life was
Speaker 2: just beautiful until I started school. Up until then, I
Speaker 2: loved what my parents were doing. I had told them
Speaker 2: when I was two that I was a doctor. And
Speaker 2: my sister wouldn't let me play with her dolls because
Speaker 2: my dolls got sick and hers didn't, and and so forth.
Speaker 3: You know, life was real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and tell me about you said it? Life was
Speaker 1: good until school. What happened at school?
Speaker 2: When I started school, I couldn't read. I was so dyslexic.
Speaker 2: Each each number and anything, the elf, the everything just
Speaker 2: floated around in the page. I absolutely couldn't read. And
Speaker 2: I knew the alphabet, and I knew the numbers and stuff,
Speaker 2: but to put them down or to try and look
Speaker 2: at them. So and the teacher decided I was the
Speaker 2: stupid in the class. So I was the class dummy
Speaker 2: and treated as such. So the other kids teased me
Speaker 2: and and so on, and I didn't like that, so
Speaker 2: I'd punch him out and get into fights with them.
Speaker 2: And my brother Carl taught me how to fight, and
Speaker 2: in fact, you know, and so all of that would
Speaker 2: go on until after I after school, I would go
Speaker 2: We were living in the Himalias at that time. The
Speaker 2: school was way up seven five hundred feet in the Himalias,
Speaker 2: and so but I had to go from the school
Speaker 2: up to our home, which is a thousand feet higher.
Speaker 2: So it was a long trip, but it was a
Speaker 2: wonderful trout up the road, up the little path to
Speaker 2: the because I was getting away from what I where
Speaker 2: I was dummy, up to where I was loved and cherished.
Speaker 2: At the top of the hill my Ayah, who was
Speaker 2: like a second mother for us, ignorant nun, I couldn't read,
Speaker 2: couldn't write, had few teeth, and all amazing woman, the
Speaker 2: epitome of love for me. And she would see me
Speaker 2: coming up the hill and she'd say, hithera, and she'd
Speaker 2: hold out her childther her scarf and I would run
Speaker 2: over and cumble myself under her arm and stay there
Speaker 2: until my life came back into focus and then I
Speaker 2: could go on with what was going on in our family.
Speaker 2: But it was like I lived two separate lives during
Speaker 2: that time, and it went on for two years because
Speaker 2: I fluedged first grade and had to do it again.
Speaker 1: Did I talk to Gladys? Did I even have a
Speaker 1: name for dyslexia? Then? Did I have any like? Was
Speaker 1: there any awareness around on it?
Speaker 3: None? None? But a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: Just to connect this is that when we started the
Speaker 2: American Holistic Medical Association in the mid seventies, there was
Speaker 2: ten of us sitting doctor's physicians sitting around a table
Speaker 2: and we got to talking, and as we were talking,
Speaker 2: six of us said that we were dyslexic. Wow, And
Speaker 2: so we looked at each other and we said, well,
Speaker 2: that's why we had to find an alter and way
Speaker 2: of thinking about medicine, because we think of things in
Speaker 2: alternative play. I don't know how I learned to read write.
Speaker 2: I really don't, and they didn't either. We couldn't explain
Speaker 2: to each other what it was, and we knew the
Speaker 2: word by then, but that was.
Speaker 3: That was it.
Speaker 1: Have a theory that dyslexics, dyslexi people are often highly intelligent.
Speaker 1: I've met so many creative, productive, successful people who are dyslexic,
Speaker 1: and it feels like they've got to create their own
Speaker 1: map of the world with some components of living. And
Speaker 1: because you've got to solve problems in a way that
Speaker 1: people who can read don't. Have you found that I
Speaker 1: had to.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here if I hadn't found that way
Speaker 2: of doing it. Yeah, yeah, And so you know there
Speaker 2: is to me as they were to my sister who
Speaker 2: could read and write.
Speaker 1: And when did you learn the name for what you
Speaker 1: were battling with? Like did you did you ever get
Speaker 1: diagnosed when you were young or did you find that
Speaker 1: out when you were a doctor?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it was after I was in I think
Speaker 2: I had my MD degree because I'd already and through
Speaker 2: medical school and that was that was a challenge. But no,
Speaker 2: it was later. It was in the oh, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I had met other people like me,
Speaker 2: so that was comfortable, more comfortable.
Speaker 1: I mean, if neviguiding, you know, prep or grade one
Speaker 1: was difficult with dyslexia, how difficult was never guiding medicine?
Speaker 1: Medical degree? Medical school?
Speaker 2: Well, pretty difficult because what we were taught in medical
Speaker 2: school was all about killing, killing disease and killing pain
Speaker 2: because it was the middle of the war and that
Speaker 2: that's all that anybody thought about, and that I knew
Speaker 2: we probably had to do that. I knew I had
Speaker 2: to learn that. I knew how to you know, those things.
Speaker 2: But that's not what I was looking for in medicine
Speaker 2: because I'd watched my parents work with parents with patients
Speaker 2: with no no. Yeah, I have a watch here that says,
Speaker 2: I fell.
Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm glad it's wrong, it.
Speaker 3: Is, it's going to go back anyway. It was.
Speaker 2: The whole process of medical school was difficult for me.
Speaker 2: But I could understand, you know, I could hear what
Speaker 2: was saying. I could I had gotten to the point
Speaker 2: actually where I could read. It was difficult, but I
Speaker 2: could do the things and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2: But the big thing that bothered me in medical school
Speaker 2: was what what we thought we.
Speaker 3: Were disposed to be doing.
Speaker 2: And I really did not believe that I was there
Speaker 2: to kill anything. But I knew that I was there
Speaker 2: to help people live because that's what my parents did.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought medicine had to do. Anyway, I
Speaker 2: was different enough that the dean of the school sent
Speaker 2: me to the psychiatrist twice because she was sure that
Speaker 2: I didn't belong And anyway, the psychiaty thought I was, okay,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: What God did. What did the dean of the school
Speaker 1: think was wrong? In inverted commas? Wrong with you?
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't understand that. Yeah, that's what I had
Speaker 2: to know about was killing diseases and killing pain. And
Speaker 2: to me, I didn't like the idea of killing diseases
Speaker 2: or killing pain because I thought people have pain, and
Speaker 2: they have diseases, and I know people that live with them,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to kill those people who have
Speaker 2: those diseases. It was just it was to me, the
Speaker 2: focus was wrong, because that's not why I was going
Speaker 2: into medicine and I knew it.
Speaker 1: And did that kind of that belief of yours and
Speaker 1: that perspective. Is that what opened the door into holistic
Speaker 1: medicine for you?
Speaker 2: Yes, because I married a man who actually accepted the
Speaker 2: same and he would He was planning to be a minister,
Speaker 2: but after he met me, he became a physician, and
Speaker 2: so we were in practice together so we could do
Speaker 2: what we felt we needed to do. And so when
Speaker 2: we began to think of different ways and so on,
Speaker 2: and Bill loved to write, so he began writing a
Speaker 2: newsletter called Pathways to Health and this newslet or went
Speaker 2: around to different please place.
Speaker 3: Isn't it amazing things began to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And of course you started the American Holistic
Speaker 1: Medicine Association. And how did you start that, what was
Speaker 1: the thinking behind that, and how was that received when
Speaker 1: you first began.
Speaker 2: I won't repeat the names we were called. Wow, actually
Speaker 2: we were again it was my first grade experience, because yeah,
Speaker 2: because we were talking about things that were different from
Speaker 2: what other people were talking about. And even to the
Speaker 2: point where when this one must have been in the
Speaker 2: mid seventies, we got an letter from one of the
Speaker 2: men who had received the newsletter that I mentioned. He
Speaker 2: was a mailman in Maine and he had three months
Speaker 2: earlier he'd injured his ankle and nobody could figure out
Speaker 2: what was wrong, and he'd gone to doctors and so on.
Speaker 2: But he received our newsletter and we'd be talking about
Speaker 2: using a cast or a pack on your neck if
Speaker 2: you had a source road. He had a source throad.
Speaker 2: He put a casse pack on his neck and his
Speaker 2: ankle cleared up, and he said to us, if you
Speaker 2: know why that happened, I'd sure like to know. And
Speaker 2: we looked at each other and we said, we don't
Speaker 2: have a clue. So the next newsletter that went out
Speaker 2: Bill told that whole story, and we got an answer
Speaker 2: from a doctor in Italy who was saying, if you
Speaker 2: guys knew anything about acupuncture, you would understand that this
Speaker 2: meridian that starts at it ankle of the angle of
Speaker 2: the eye goes over the head, down the neck all
Speaker 2: the way down to the toe. When the objection or
Speaker 2: the object was or whatever it was, the obstruction, I'm
Speaker 2: part of the work.
Speaker 3: When the obstruction was.
Speaker 2: Relieved in the neck, it was the ankle. And so
Speaker 2: we be again writing to people all around the world.
Speaker 2: And nineteen seventy three we had the first acupuncture symposium
Speaker 2: in the States because actually it was interesting because Nixon
Speaker 2: had just gone to China and seen an appendectomin done
Speaker 2: out with acupulcture the upper time, and we had a
Speaker 2: bit in Stanford University. We had a two hundred eighty
Speaker 2: physicians who came, and the whole process of understanding about acupucture,
Speaker 2: yeah emerged. You know, it's it's life has been so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. It's kind of like the doctor Gladys
Speaker 1: the intersection of you know, Western science and medicine and
Speaker 1: Eastern science. You know, when we're bringing acupuncture into that space,
Speaker 1: was it Obviously if you had two hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: physicians come along, they were interested.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were.
Speaker 2: They were members of our American holistic medical associations.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, and more broadly, there was so the
Speaker 1: rest of the medical community not such a big fan.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was very difficult to get your In fact,
Speaker 2: in Arizona we created our own licensing process because you know,
Speaker 2: the rest of the community didn't accept it, but they
Speaker 2: you know, ultimately, of course, it took us two years
Speaker 2: to figure out how to spell holistic because the word
Speaker 2: we were looking for, the root word, was health, healing
Speaker 2: and holy. In other words, the problem we saw was
Speaker 2: that was left out of medicine was the you know,
Speaker 2: we had knew about the body and you knew about
Speaker 2: the mind, but where was the spirit? And we understood
Speaker 2: that that was what was doing the healing, and so
Speaker 2: there we go, we had to find some way of
Speaker 2: doing it. In fact, at my uh, what is it
Speaker 2: one hundred and third birthday? One hundred and second? What
Speaker 2: is this birthday?
Speaker 3: I had?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to tell you this gets big stuff.
Speaker 2: But anyway, at the I wrote it in on a
Speaker 2: tricycle because I wanted to really I show how what
Speaker 2: I think about medicine. The first look at a tricycle.
Speaker 2: You have two wheels in the back. They're wonderful. The
Speaker 2: body and the mind work, they work together, they're really good.
Speaker 2: But they can't do anything by the two wheels like that,
Speaker 2: they're just there. But you put a third wheel in
Speaker 2: front and a good solid structure, and then you've got
Speaker 2: something that's good can go someplace. You know, the mind.
Speaker 2: You put the mind in there, and I mean the
Speaker 2: spirit in there and then it can begin to go.
Speaker 2: And so so now you have a structure that can move. However,
Speaker 2: that can't do anything until a person climbs onto the
Speaker 2: seat and takes hold of the handles, and it can
Speaker 2: go where the person wants it to go. In other words,
Speaker 2: when it becomes a actual part of how our human
Speaker 2: spirit can use it as part of the actual movement
Speaker 2: of our human spirit, it doesn't really matter who's going
Speaker 2: to sit on that seat. It matters how what that
Speaker 2: person wants to do, and then the thing will do it.
Speaker 2: So the whole field of medicine five mind has got
Speaker 2: like a big tricycle. You know, it'll go where we
Speaker 2: wanted to go.
Speaker 1: So when you came out and you were talking, you
Speaker 1: know that medicine is not just about drugs and operations
Speaker 1: and prescriptions, but it's about love and can passion and
Speaker 1: the mind and the soul. And you were saying all
Speaker 1: these weird things. I must have thought you were some
Speaker 1: kind of unicorn.
Speaker 2: And which doctor was it? Oh yeah, a very common
Speaker 2: but kind word for us.
Speaker 1: I saw you talking. I can't remember who you were
Speaker 1: chatting with. It might have been Jim Quick, but you
Speaker 1: were talking about the role of love the role of
Speaker 1: love or the capacity of love for healing, and you
Speaker 1: know therapy. Can you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: It's essential. That's what my parents used to do their healing.
Speaker 2: That's what I understood. But I have what I called
Speaker 2: it my five l's, and includes this. The first L
Speaker 2: is life without life nothing. You know, there's nothing else
Speaker 2: to talk about. But you have a seed in the
Speaker 2: pyramid that has all the life of the universe in it,
Speaker 2: but it can't do anything because it's held in by
Speaker 2: this shell until love, in the form of water and
Speaker 2: sunshine and so on, breaks that shell, and then the
Speaker 2: whole life force can begin to move.
Speaker 3: It's the way life.
Speaker 2: And love are one unit. It's like a sperm and
Speaker 2: an ovun. You know, you don't have any life force
Speaker 2: in a human until that sperm and oven come together,
Speaker 2: the ovum being the life force and the sperm being
Speaker 2: the activating first force, so that it's that combination of
Speaker 2: life and love which are essential for life to continue. Third,
Speaker 2: the third L is laughter. For me, laughter without love
Speaker 2: is cruel, it's it's cold, it's it's it's mean. But
Speaker 2: laughter with love is joy and happiness and healing. And
Speaker 2: the fourth one is labor. You know, I gotta go
Speaker 2: to work. Too many papers. Life just you know, you
Speaker 2: drag yourself. It's like I dragged myself up the mountain,
Speaker 2: but at the top of it, you know. But laughter
Speaker 2: with love is bliss. It's what It's why you do
Speaker 2: what you do. It's why I'm in the full of medicine,
Speaker 2: field of medicine. That's why Peter's paint, why singers sing.
Speaker 2: And the fifth one is listening. Listening without love is
Speaker 2: empty sound, but listening with love is understanding.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And so when I came up these with these five l's,
Speaker 2: it began to make more sense to me. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: whole picture of life.
Speaker 1: That is incredibly wise. Thank you for that. Now you've
Speaker 1: written a new book, of course you have because you've
Speaker 1: got nothing else to do. So you've written a new
Speaker 1: book which is called The Well Lived Life one hundred
Speaker 1: and two year old Doctor's Six Secrets to Health and
Speaker 1: Happiness at Every Age. Did you enjoy you've written? I
Speaker 1: think that that was book number six for you. Did
Speaker 1: you enjoy writing that? Do you? What's the process for you?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: Actually this was a different process because the other books
Speaker 2: were had a medical bed. Two of them I wrote them.
Speaker 2: The first one was above pregnancies and birthing and so on,
Speaker 2: but there were reasons for writing them in the field
Speaker 2: of medicine. But this one is I was reaching for
Speaker 2: the very essence of why medicine was what it was
Speaker 2: for me. Yes, And actually I kind of didn't like
Speaker 2: the title of the book at first when we began
Speaker 2: talking about it, because I thought that it meant it
Speaker 2: was my life. But what what we finally what I
Speaker 2: finally realized the book is about what the reader is
Speaker 2: going to get.
Speaker 3: Out of it.
Speaker 2: Not I put into it what I could, but now
Speaker 2: the joy of it has been but the reader gets
Speaker 2: out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing, Doctor gladys Can, I ask, so,
Speaker 1: what does your your typical day look like? And how
Speaker 1: do you how do you manage you How do you
Speaker 1: manage your mind and your body and your emotions and
Speaker 1: your lifestyle. I'm sure you have a little bit of help,
Speaker 1: but in terms of keeping your mind and brain and
Speaker 1: body and emotions healthy, what's your operating system?
Speaker 2: Well, I get up at six o'clock, I go to
Speaker 2: the bathroom, I go downstairs and I have raisin, brad
Speaker 2: and prunes for breakfast, and then I start doing the
Speaker 2: things that I'm going to do that day. Yeah, kids
Speaker 2: on where I am. I mean, if my kids are
Speaker 2: or little, I'd be taking care of the kids and
Speaker 2: then going to work at the clinic or no matter
Speaker 2: what is what that day brings FORTH like to be here.
Speaker 2: Now most every weekday, I have at least one opportunity
Speaker 2: to talk to people from around the world. I mean
Speaker 2: it just so I can't tell you what I'm going
Speaker 2: to do. And I have lunch, and then I take
Speaker 2: a nap. I take it usually an hour or two nap,
Speaker 2: and then I continue with the things that I do
Speaker 2: and I go to bed about eight o'clock in the meantime.
Speaker 2: I in my head there's a tape that runs that
Speaker 2: has hymns and pudgeons going through it.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 2: Wow, I if I just sit quietly, I have this
Speaker 2: kind of back. You know, I've got a crazy mind,
Speaker 2: but it works very well for me. Because I have this,
Speaker 2: I can move into that state very easily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard, I think I heard. Tell me if
Speaker 1: I get this wrong, but you recently had some stem
Speaker 1: cell therapy, Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yes? I did.
Speaker 2: I've had two infusions of stem cell into my circulatory system.
Speaker 1: And what's that about.
Speaker 2: Well, you know these are stem cells that are embryonic
Speaker 2: stem cells and they're baby stem cells. So these baby
Speaker 2: stem cells coming to help supplement my one hundred and
Speaker 2: two year old stem cells and I so, you know,
Speaker 2: it's helped. I can't tell you how much it seled,
Speaker 2: except I know that it's helped in the seeing in
Speaker 2: my right eye is a little bit better than it
Speaker 2: was before I had the stem cells. But then, you know,
Speaker 2: how do you as you're watching your child grow. You
Speaker 2: can see that kid and then about uh three months later,
Speaker 2: you look at it, Look.
Speaker 3: How you've grown.
Speaker 2: We don't see that kind of the growth is sell
Speaker 2: By sell By sell By sell into the age that
Speaker 2: we are, and you don't. I can't say, uh what
Speaker 2: it is that is better, but I remembering back, I
Speaker 2: think that my knees knees probably are stronger. But I
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm happy I did it. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing is available to us. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's it's amazing. It's as
Speaker 1: would say in Australia, it's bloody amazing. Doc. Some of
Speaker 1: the okay, some of the things that hey, I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you on so many things, but we'll let
Speaker 1: you go in ten or fifteen, if that's all right.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you about your thoughts about
Speaker 1: the patient doctor relationship and how important that is, the
Speaker 1: kind of the way that you know medical professionals deal
Speaker 1: with their patients, and your personal philosophy on how you
Speaker 1: would build rapport or a relationship with a patient.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I've always hugged my patience. I
Speaker 2: feel that I's been part of what I needed to do.
Speaker 2: But my eldest son as a retired orthopedic surgeon, and
Speaker 2: so when he came, he'd finish his training and he
Speaker 2: came through Phoenix and he was going down to Del Rio,
Speaker 2: Texas to start his practice in order to and he said, Bomb,
Speaker 2: you know, I have all this training and I think
Speaker 2: it's amazing, but I've scared. He said, I'm going to
Speaker 2: have people's lives in my hands. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I can handle that. And I said, well, Carl, you
Speaker 2: have this amazing work to do orthopedic surgery. If we
Speaker 2: have a broken bone, we need to have somebody who
Speaker 2: knows how to fix it, you know, so you use
Speaker 2: the work that you've been trained to do to the
Speaker 2: best of your ability, and then you turn the actual
Speaker 2: healing over to the physician within that patient, who is
Speaker 2: what does the feeling healing.
Speaker 3: So if you support the.
Speaker 2: Colleague, the patient's physician within them, that that sense of
Speaker 2: who they are and what they can do, you support that,
Speaker 2: and that's what does the healing. Ye And you know,
Speaker 2: so he took it, he's done with it, and you
Speaker 2: know it's been an amazing life that he's been able
Speaker 2: to live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could you talk to us a little bit about
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the role of or the capacity of
Speaker 1: the mind for healing or the relationship between our psychology
Speaker 1: and our physiology and maybe yeah, how how you utilized that?
Speaker 3: Well? I think it.
Speaker 2: I think we are triune beings, and I think that
Speaker 2: we have the body minding, the spirit connection that is
Speaker 2: the physical aspect of our whole being.
Speaker 3: But that is.
Speaker 2: Let's see fired up or the energy okay here, the
Speaker 2: energy that goes with that is our divine being. In
Speaker 2: other words, I think that when God, whatever God is,
Speaker 2: to each one of us, whatever God created us as
Speaker 2: humans and he said, now you guys are in charge
Speaker 2: of Well, he said, I now give you dominion over
Speaker 2: the earth, and we think we're so smart. We thought
Speaker 2: dominion was the same as dominance, and so we have
Speaker 2: taken over the earth and done terrible things to the
Speaker 2: earth because we thought we were the ones who were
Speaker 2: in charge, and we were, and we've done that. But
Speaker 2: what dominion is is care of So when divine energy
Speaker 2: gave us the ability to choose, to make decisions, to
Speaker 2: have purpose in life and all of that, it was
Speaker 2: because we were given the purpose a purpose of taking
Speaker 2: care of dominion.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: It's a misunderstanding. And I think we as humans now
Speaker 2: are really reaching for our true humanity, you know, like
Speaker 2: she did, she looking for going home, always reaching try
Speaker 2: to go home. I think that's what the I think
Speaker 2: certainly the people that I'm hearing from now are people
Speaker 2: who are really looking for their true humanity.
Speaker 1: I hadn't planned to ask you, but just as you're talking,
Speaker 1: I thought to this, and this is just one of
Speaker 1: those weird questions. But I'm sure you have some thoughts.
Speaker 1: What do you personally, if you don't mind sharing, what
Speaker 1: do you think happens when we die, which, of course
Speaker 1: we don't have evidence, but what do you what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts around that.
Speaker 3: I think it's sort of like going into a dream, right,
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's very real.
Speaker 2: I have contact still with my sister and in dreams
Speaker 2: or she'll show up in my thoughts or so.
Speaker 3: I don't think that we just go poof when we're done.
Speaker 2: I think that the movement is a actual, real consciousness
Speaker 2: shift that we go into when we make the transision.
Speaker 2: I think it's an amazing process. I'm not afraid of
Speaker 2: death at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: We die every day, you know, Yeah, parts of us
Speaker 3: we do.
Speaker 1: Now. I heard that you're still doing You're still consulting
Speaker 1: people on the phone, You're still doing a little bit
Speaker 1: of work. Is that Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know A lowed to practice because I don't
Speaker 2: have a license anymore. But that's fine, because they didn't
Speaker 2: tell me I had to stop talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can't. They can't stop you from talking.
Speaker 1: But so at one hundred and two, what do you know?
Speaker 1: What do you know for sure that most of us
Speaker 1: don't know? And I don't mean that with any arrogance
Speaker 1: from your part, But what do you know now that
Speaker 1: you profoundly believe that you think, like a lot of
Speaker 1: us don't know, and perhaps we should think about.
Speaker 2: I think that life and love are the two things
Speaker 2: that we really really need to think about, because that's
Speaker 2: what changes everything. And in the process of being aware
Speaker 2: of our life and doing the best we can and
Speaker 2: loving it and loving those who are with us there,
Speaker 2: and loving the birds around us, and loving the earth,
Speaker 2: and life becomes oh wow. You know, there's so exciting
Speaker 2: and so important and each one of us, and each
Speaker 2: one of us has that ability within us. There is
Speaker 2: that we just have to look for it. It's like the
Speaker 2: light that all of this comes up. If we look
Speaker 2: for the light, we'll see the light. If you don't
Speaker 2: look for it, you won't see it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's almost biblical. I think there's a scripture that says
Speaker 1: if you walk in the light as he is in
Speaker 1: the light, you have fellowship one with another. There I
Speaker 1: don't know where I pulled that from.
Speaker 2: Well that's great because we need each other, we need
Speaker 2: you know, And so yeah, and you know, I kind
Speaker 2: of look at it. I have a flashlight in my hand, okay,
Speaker 2: and I'm walking in the dark, but I can't go
Speaker 2: any farther than the next step because that's as far
Speaker 2: as it's going to take me. However, as I'm walking
Speaker 2: this path, quite often there might be like small light
Speaker 2: at the side that I could add by light to,
Speaker 2: which gives them more light and allows them to walk
Speaker 2: their path a little better too. So we're, you know,
Speaker 2: if we can think of ourselves as a community that
Speaker 2: supports each other in every way that we can, which
Speaker 2: is completely different from what anybody else can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, maybe my last question, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: But what my question is what what don't we humans
Speaker 1: and I'm talking generally, what don't we understand about our
Speaker 1: potential for healing? What don't we understand or the general public,
Speaker 1: what don't we understand about healing or our capacity for healing?
Speaker 2: We don't understand that we're the ones that we have
Speaker 2: to do the healing. Nobody else can heal us. Other
Speaker 2: people can fix us and fix the broken parts or
Speaker 2: whatever and do something to help us heal. And that's
Speaker 2: what I think. My job has always been is to
Speaker 2: help people heal because that but the reality is that
Speaker 2: each one of us has to take that responsibility because
Speaker 2: no matter what I tell a patient to do, they.
Speaker 3: Either do it or they don't.
Speaker 2: And if they can understand it and do it. Then
Speaker 2: that's there. You know, then they're doing it. But if
Speaker 2: and if if they can't even understand it, so they
Speaker 2: don't even know how to do it, then I've sort
Speaker 2: of done the business of an empty sound. You know,
Speaker 2: what good does it do to tell a patient a
Speaker 2: lot of diagnostic stuff if they can't even understand what
Speaker 2: you've said. So it's it's the importance of allowing our
Speaker 2: light or whatever it is that we have to share,
Speaker 2: which I think is when it's done in love, it
Speaker 2: becomes a healing process because it activates the life force
Speaker 2: and the healing aspect of the patient that's that's there,
Speaker 2: or the a mother who kicks, who kisses the baby's boogle,
Speaker 2: you know, that whole process is a.
Speaker 1: Healing You know what I find interesting And I didn't
Speaker 1: think about this till a few years ago, But for me,
Speaker 1: there are some people that when I'm around them, even
Speaker 1: if they're not saying anything like I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: something therapeutic or healing or there's some energy being near
Speaker 1: those people that makes me feel good. And there are
Speaker 1: other people that it's the opposite. They don't make and
Speaker 1: it's not about what they're saying to me or ego
Speaker 1: or anything. There's just some energetic exchange. And I feel
Speaker 1: like some people almost have a healing energy that you
Speaker 1: can kind of tap into a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, the great healers of the world, you know, Buddha, Jesus, Mohams,
Speaker 2: these were people like that who had the understanding of
Speaker 2: love being the healer. And so when you go, when
Speaker 2: you have a person around you who is has their
Speaker 2: very nature is loving. If you have a person around
Speaker 2: you who is who is you know, suspects everything you
Speaker 2: know there's something wrong with you and is looking for
Speaker 2: what's wrong in the world, you find it. You find
Speaker 2: what you're looking for.
Speaker 1: Well, doctor Gladys, it's been really it's been a privilege.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking some time out of your day
Speaker 1: and let me just remind everyone so the good Doc's
Speaker 1: book is called The Well Lived Life, One hundred and
Speaker 1: two year Old Doctor's Six Secrets to Health and Happiness
Speaker 1: at every age. Well, say goodbye off Air in a moment,
Speaker 1: but for the minute, thank you so much for being
Speaker 1: on the U project. We love you and you're amazing.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, I love you and you're amazing.
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