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Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Harps, it's Tiff, and I'm

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Speaker 1: super excited to introduce you to Dr Gladys. We spoke

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Speaker 1: about her last week. This is exciting for me and

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Speaker 1: I can tell you in over twelve hundred episodes of

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Speaker 1: The You Project, I don't think I've ever been more

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Speaker 1: excited about a guest. So, without further ado, Dtor Gladys,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Youth Project.

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Speaker 2: Oh what a thing to hear at my age.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's true, like I heard about you, and

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Speaker 1: then I read about you, and then I listened to

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Speaker 1: you on podcast, and I watched you on YouTube, and

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Speaker 1: I went, I want to be I've got a new hero.

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Speaker 1: I want to be like you when I grow up.

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Speaker 1: When I grow up, I want to be like you.

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Speaker 1: How do you How do you enjoy or should I

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Speaker 1: say tolerate all the interviews that you now do, because

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've always been well known and you've always

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Speaker 1: been well respected. But do you enjoy chatting to people

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Speaker 1: about your journey or is it just a task that

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: No, it's so exciting. I can really hardly. I can't

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Speaker 2: put my mind around it. The idea that I could

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Speaker 2: You know, it's beyond my imagination. So yeah, it's exciting,

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Speaker 2: it's wonderful, and everybody's different, and the questions are all

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Speaker 2: a lot of them very law the same, but they're

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Speaker 1: You know, could you imagine? So what are we now?

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Speaker 1: Twenty three? So you were you born in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 1: you're going to be You're going to be talking to

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Speaker 1: He's going to be in Australia, You're going to be

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Speaker 3: I would have hung up on you. I could not

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not like I can't imagine what one hundred years

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Speaker 3: To think that, I know how you know. So you know,

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Speaker 2: In school, had no telephone, you know, and in order

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Speaker 1: So I know, it's just it's I feel like in

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Speaker 2: I'm not going any place. I'm here, but the things

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Speaker 2: My mother a statement she used to say, well just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can you so? For my audience, who are

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Speaker 2: I would love to. I was born in India. In fact,

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Speaker 2: I and you know, life went on. I thought life

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Speaker 2: We had had perimeters as to how far we could

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Speaker 2: And I spoke Hindustani before I spoke English, so you know,

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Speaker 3: You know, life was real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and tell me about you said it? Life was

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Speaker 2: When I started school, I couldn't read. I was so dyslexic.

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Speaker 2: At the top of the hill my Ayah, who was

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Speaker 2: But it was like I lived two separate lives during

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Speaker 1: Did I talk to Gladys? Did I even have a

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here if I hadn't found that way

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Speaker 2: Well, pretty difficult because what we were taught in medical

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Speaker 3: Is, it's going to go back anyway. It was.

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Speaker 2: The whole process of medical school was difficult for me.

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Speaker 2: But I could understand, you know, I could hear what

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Speaker 2: But the big thing that bothered me in medical school

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Speaker 2: And I really did not believe that I was there

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Speaker 2: That's what I thought medicine had to do. Anyway, I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, amazing, Doctor gladys Can, I ask, so,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know these are stem cells that are embryonic

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Speaker 2: stem cells and they're baby stem cells. So these baby

441
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Speaker 2: stem cells coming to help supplement my one hundred and

442
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 2: two year old stem cells and I so, you know,

443
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Speaker 2: it's helped. I can't tell you how much it seled,

444
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Speaker 2: except I know that it's helped in the seeing in

445
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: my right eye is a little bit better than it

446
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Speaker 2: was before I had the stem cells. But then, you know,

447
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: how do you as you're watching your child grow. You

448
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 2: can see that kid and then about uh three months later,

449
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: you look at it, Look.

450
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Speaker 3: How you've grown.

451
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: We don't see that kind of the growth is sell

452
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Speaker 2: By sell By sell By sell into the age that

453
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: we are, and you don't. I can't say, uh what

454
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: it is that is better, but I remembering back, I

455
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: think that my knees knees probably are stronger. But I

456
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm happy I did it. And so yeah,

457
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: you know that kind of thing is available to us. Now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's it's amazing. It's as

459
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: would say in Australia, it's bloody amazing. Doc. Some of

460
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: the okay, some of the things that hey, I wanted

461
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: to ask you on so many things, but we'll let

462
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: you go in ten or fifteen, if that's all right.

463
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Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you about your thoughts about

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Speaker 1: the patient doctor relationship and how important that is, the

465
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Speaker 1: kind of the way that you know medical professionals deal

466
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Speaker 1: with their patients, and your personal philosophy on how you

467
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: would build rapport or a relationship with a patient.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, I've always hugged my patience. I

469
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: feel that I's been part of what I needed to do.

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Speaker 2: But my eldest son as a retired orthopedic surgeon, and

471
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Speaker 2: so when he came, he'd finish his training and he

472
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: came through Phoenix and he was going down to Del Rio,

473
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: Texas to start his practice in order to and he said, Bomb,

474
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Speaker 2: you know, I have all this training and I think

475
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: it's amazing, but I've scared. He said, I'm going to

476
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Speaker 2: have people's lives in my hands. I don't know if

477
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: I can handle that. And I said, well, Carl, you

478
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: have this amazing work to do orthopedic surgery. If we

479
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 2: have a broken bone, we need to have somebody who

480
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: knows how to fix it, you know, so you use

481
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: the work that you've been trained to do to the

482
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Speaker 2: best of your ability, and then you turn the actual

483
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: healing over to the physician within that patient, who is

484
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Speaker 2: what does the feeling healing.

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Speaker 3: So if you support the.

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Speaker 2: Colleague, the patient's physician within them, that that sense of

487
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 2: who they are and what they can do, you support that,

488
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: and that's what does the healing. Ye And you know,

489
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: so he took it, he's done with it, and you

490
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: know it's been an amazing life that he's been able

491
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Speaker 2: to live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could you talk to us a little bit about

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the role of or the capacity of

494
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Speaker 1: the mind for healing or the relationship between our psychology

495
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: and our physiology and maybe yeah, how how you utilized that?

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Speaker 3: Well? I think it.

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Speaker 2: I think we are triune beings, and I think that

498
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: we have the body minding, the spirit connection that is

499
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: the physical aspect of our whole being.

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Speaker 3: But that is.

501
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: Let's see fired up or the energy okay here, the

502
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 2: energy that goes with that is our divine being. In

503
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: other words, I think that when God, whatever God is,

504
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: to each one of us, whatever God created us as

505
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: humans and he said, now you guys are in charge

506
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: of Well, he said, I now give you dominion over

507
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 2: the earth, and we think we're so smart. We thought

508
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: dominion was the same as dominance, and so we have

509
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: taken over the earth and done terrible things to the

510
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: earth because we thought we were the ones who were

511
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: in charge, and we were, and we've done that. But

512
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 2: what dominion is is care of So when divine energy

513
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: gave us the ability to choose, to make decisions, to

514
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: have purpose in life and all of that, it was

515
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: because we were given the purpose a purpose of taking

516
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: care of dominion.

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00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 3: And so.

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00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: It's a misunderstanding. And I think we as humans now

519
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: are really reaching for our true humanity, you know, like

520
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: she did, she looking for going home, always reaching try

521
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: to go home. I think that's what the I think

522
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: certainly the people that I'm hearing from now are people

523
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: who are really looking for their true humanity.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't planned to ask you, but just as you're talking,

525
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: I thought to this, and this is just one of

526
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 1: those weird questions. But I'm sure you have some thoughts.

527
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 1: What do you personally, if you don't mind sharing, what

528
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: do you think happens when we die, which, of course

529
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: we don't have evidence, but what do you what are

530
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Speaker 1: your thoughts around that.

531
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Speaker 3: I think it's sort of like going into a dream, right,

532
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's very real.

533
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 2: I have contact still with my sister and in dreams

534
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: or she'll show up in my thoughts or so.

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00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: I don't think that we just go poof when we're done.

536
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: I think that the movement is a actual, real consciousness

537
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: shift that we go into when we make the transision.

538
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: I think it's an amazing process. I'm not afraid of

539
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: death at all.

540
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.

541
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Speaker 3: We die every day, you know, Yeah, parts of us

542
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Speaker 3: we do.

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00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: Now. I heard that you're still doing You're still consulting

544
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: people on the phone, You're still doing a little bit

545
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: of work. Is that Is that correct?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

547
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know A lowed to practice because I don't

548
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: have a license anymore. But that's fine, because they didn't

549
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: tell me I had to stop talking.

550
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they can't. They can't stop you from talking.

551
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: But so at one hundred and two, what do you know?

552
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: What do you know for sure that most of us

553
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: don't know? And I don't mean that with any arrogance

554
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: from your part, But what do you know now that

555
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: you profoundly believe that you think, like a lot of

556
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: us don't know, and perhaps we should think about.

557
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 2: I think that life and love are the two things

558
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: that we really really need to think about, because that's

559
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: what changes everything. And in the process of being aware

560
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 2: of our life and doing the best we can and

561
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: loving it and loving those who are with us there,

562
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 2: and loving the birds around us, and loving the earth,

563
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: and life becomes oh wow. You know, there's so exciting

564
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: and so important and each one of us, and each

565
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: one of us has that ability within us. There is

566
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Speaker 2: that we just have to look for it. It's like the

567
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: light that all of this comes up. If we look

568
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: for the light, we'll see the light. If you don't

569
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: look for it, you won't see it.

570
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: Well, that's true.

571
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Speaker 1: That's almost biblical. I think there's a scripture that says

572
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Speaker 1: if you walk in the light as he is in

573
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: the light, you have fellowship one with another. There I

574
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: don't know where I pulled that from.

575
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Speaker 2: Well that's great because we need each other, we need

576
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: you know, And so yeah, and you know, I kind

577
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 2: of look at it. I have a flashlight in my hand, okay,

578
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: and I'm walking in the dark, but I can't go

579
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,839
Speaker 2: any farther than the next step because that's as far

580
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: as it's going to take me. However, as I'm walking

581
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 2: this path, quite often there might be like small light

582
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: at the side that I could add by light to,

583
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: which gives them more light and allows them to walk

584
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: their path a little better too. So we're, you know,

585
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Speaker 2: if we can think of ourselves as a community that

586
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: supports each other in every way that we can, which

587
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,240
Speaker 2: is completely different from what anybody else can.

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00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, maybe my last question, I'm not sure.

589
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: But what my question is what what don't we humans

590
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Speaker 1: and I'm talking generally, what don't we understand about our

591
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: potential for healing? What don't we understand or the general public,

592
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: what don't we understand about healing or our capacity for healing?

593
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: We don't understand that we're the ones that we have

594
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: to do the healing. Nobody else can heal us. Other

595
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: people can fix us and fix the broken parts or

596
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: whatever and do something to help us heal. And that's

597
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: what I think. My job has always been is to

598
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: help people heal because that but the reality is that

599
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 2: each one of us has to take that responsibility because

600
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: no matter what I tell a patient to do, they.

601
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Speaker 3: Either do it or they don't.

602
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 2: And if they can understand it and do it. Then

603
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: that's there. You know, then they're doing it. But if

604
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: and if if they can't even understand it, so they

605
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: don't even know how to do it, then I've sort

606
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: of done the business of an empty sound. You know,

607
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: what good does it do to tell a patient a

608
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: lot of diagnostic stuff if they can't even understand what

609
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: you've said. So it's it's the importance of allowing our

610
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 2: light or whatever it is that we have to share,

611
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: which I think is when it's done in love, it

612
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: becomes a healing process because it activates the life force

613
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: and the healing aspect of the patient that's that's there,

614
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: or the a mother who kicks, who kisses the baby's boogle,

615
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: you know, that whole process is a.

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Speaker 1: Healing You know what I find interesting And I didn't

617
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: think about this till a few years ago, But for me,

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Speaker 1: there are some people that when I'm around them, even

619
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: if they're not saying anything like I don't know, there's

620
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: something therapeutic or healing or there's some energy being near

621
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: those people that makes me feel good. And there are

622
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: other people that it's the opposite. They don't make and

623
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: it's not about what they're saying to me or ego

624
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: or anything. There's just some energetic exchange. And I feel

625
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: like some people almost have a healing energy that you

626
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: can kind of tap into a little bit.

627
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 2: Well, the great healers of the world, you know, Buddha, Jesus, Mohams,

628
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: these were people like that who had the understanding of

629
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: love being the healer. And so when you go, when

630
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 2: you have a person around you who is has their

631
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: very nature is loving. If you have a person around

632
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: you who is who is you know, suspects everything you

633
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 2: know there's something wrong with you and is looking for

634
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 2: what's wrong in the world, you find it. You find

635
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: what you're looking for.

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Speaker 1: Well, doctor Gladys, it's been really it's been a privilege.

637
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Speaker 1: We appreciate you taking some time out of your day

638
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: and let me just remind everyone so the good Doc's

639
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: book is called The Well Lived Life, One hundred and

640
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: two year Old Doctor's Six Secrets to Health and Happiness

641
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: at every age. Well, say goodbye off Air in a moment,

642
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: but for the minute, thank you so much for being

643
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 1: on the U project. We love you and you're amazing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, I love you and you're amazing.

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Speaker 3: Ha