WEBVTT - Sharri | 12 September

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<v Speaker 1>Why On Sky News.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Sharry Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight, a labor insider has spoken out predicting Albineasi could

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<v Speaker 3>be on track to lose the next election. I'll take

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<v Speaker 3>you through this story in a moment. A major broken

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<v Speaker 3>promise from the Prime Minister as his long awaited laws

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<v Speaker 3>to crack down on hate speech do nothing of the sort,

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<v Speaker 3>all the while, millions of dollars are up for grabs

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<v Speaker 3>for a group linked to hate preachers. Julian Lisa would

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<v Speaker 3>join me to discuss cause tonight for Angus Campbell to

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<v Speaker 3>hand back his medal amid accusations, the top brass are

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<v Speaker 3>escaping accountability?

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<v Speaker 4>Should you wear a medal that says you had distinguished

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<v Speaker 4>command and leadership even if things happened that you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>know about?

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<v Speaker 3>And the nine News boss steps down ahead of an

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<v Speaker 3>explosive report into the alleged cover up of sexual harassment

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<v Speaker 3>at the company. Also tonight, we'll look at the conspiracy

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<v Speaker 3>circling Kamala Harris after the big presidential debate. We'll also

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<v Speaker 3>examine the other debate fallout with New York Post columnists

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<v Speaker 3>a little later on, but first tonight, not only is

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<v Speaker 3>the Albanese government failing to crack down on hate speech.

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<v Speaker 3>It's watering down laws it promised would tackle this very issue,

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<v Speaker 3>and worse, it's giving taxpayer funds to the groups linked

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<v Speaker 3>to hate preachers.

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<v Speaker 2>This is almost too shocking to be true.

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<v Speaker 3>The Albanzi government has invited a group called United Muslims

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<v Speaker 3>Australia to apply for a portion of two point four

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars in grant funding. The Teley reports that the

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<v Speaker 3>group was founded by Sheikh shady Asuliman, who's previously called

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<v Speaker 3>for Allah to destroy the enemies of Islam. But more worryingly,

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<v Speaker 3>another speaker promoted by this group he's on their website,

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<v Speaker 3>famously celebrated the October seven terror attacks. Shaiky Brahum Dedoune

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<v Speaker 3>said he was elated the very day after Hamas launched

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<v Speaker 3>its barbaric and deadly assault on Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>Smiling and unhappy.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm it's a day of courage.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually how it's actually difficult to comprehend how bad

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<v Speaker 3>this is from the Albanezy government. Not only are they

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<v Speaker 3>failing to crack down on hate preachers, but the organizations

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<v Speaker 3>linked to them, the organizations that promote the hate.

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<v Speaker 2>Preachers, that feature them on their website are.

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<v Speaker 3>Being invited to apply for millions of dollars in taxpayer funding,

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<v Speaker 3>your hard earned taxpayer dollars. And this is how the

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<v Speaker 3>joke of a press release by this Minister for Citizenship

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<v Speaker 3>and Multicultural Affairs, Julian Hill begins, and I quote the

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<v Speaker 3>Albitezy government is continuing to focus on social cohesion here

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<v Speaker 3>in Australia with funding granted to support young Muslim and

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<v Speaker 3>Palestinian Australians and their family, friends and community impacted by

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<v Speaker 3>the conflict and humanitarian crisis in Gaza. And Julian Hill

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<v Speaker 3>in the press really said that the two point four

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars was for and I quote again tackling division,

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<v Speaker 3>prejudice and hate.

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<v Speaker 2>That is some.

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<v Speaker 3>Logic giving millions of dollars to fight hate to the

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<v Speaker 3>organizations that promote the hate preachers. Is that any wonder

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<v Speaker 3>protesters feel so emboldened to spread their hate and violence.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw more aggression on the streets of Melbourne again today.

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<v Speaker 2>There were protests have a look.

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<v Speaker 7>And all of the war mangling and the corporations and

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<v Speaker 7>green institutionalized hatred and ignorance get out of our city.

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<v Speaker 3>Not as violent as yesterday, but still disgraceful. Opposition leader

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton spoke about his disgust on air with Ray

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<v Speaker 3>Hadley this morning, saying the protesters would have expected that

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't going to be locked up or punished.

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<v Speaker 8>They would have had a fair expectation going into yesterday

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<v Speaker 8>that they weren't going to be locked up because the

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<v Speaker 8>Center Ellen government in Victoria and the Men's government in

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<v Speaker 8>New South Wales had allowed them to conduct themselves with

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<v Speaker 8>these chants and waving the flags and the hatred that

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<v Speaker 8>they've expressed for months now. So it's great to see

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<v Speaker 8>to some of them were locked up. I'm sorry that

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<v Speaker 8>some of the police were injured, and also some of

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<v Speaker 8>the people who are going about their lawful businesses you

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<v Speaker 8>point out who were smeared with paint or assaulted. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 8>it's a disgrace and.

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<v Speaker 3>He's right the violence yesterday was shameful. Liquid acid thrown

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<v Speaker 3>at police, reportedly vomit in balloons, twenty seven police officers

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<v Speaker 3>needing medical treatment.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Green Senator David Shubridge complained today on social media that

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<v Speaker 3>police used rubber bullets.

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<v Speaker 5>Their future has been sold out and mortgaged to these

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<v Speaker 5>multinational weapons companies by the major parties, and already there

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<v Speaker 5>have been reports that riot police shot at protesters with

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<v Speaker 5>rubber bullets down in Melbourne, and there's a long list

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<v Speaker 5>a conger line of Labor and Coalition members who then

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<v Speaker 5>use those connections to get a cushy job when they

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<v Speaker 5>leave Parliament. It's obscene and no wonder people are on

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<v Speaker 5>the streets protesting.

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<v Speaker 6>This is the.

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<v Speaker 3>Greens and the Prime Minister took aim at them in

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<v Speaker 3>Parliament today for backing the protest.

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<v Speaker 9>Unlike the Green's political party, who are members of Parliament

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<v Speaker 9>who are ten demonstrations that are violent, that throw things

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<v Speaker 9>against police, that engage in disruption. Because the big.

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<v Speaker 10>Difference between a party of government and a party of

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<v Speaker 10>protests is that we are responsible, that we work through

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<v Speaker 10>issues constructively across this chamber in order to make a

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<v Speaker 10>positive difference.

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<v Speaker 3>And we've heard this a lot lately, the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 3>attacking the Greens for excusing lawlessness and violence. But as

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<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton said today, if he's so concerned about the Greens,

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<v Speaker 3>then don't do deals with them.

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<v Speaker 8>If the Prime Minister is a man of principle and

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<v Speaker 8>somebody who stands by his word, then he wouldn't accept

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<v Speaker 8>and he wouldn't preference the Greens, but he will because

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<v Speaker 8>it'll be to their political advantage. Anthony Albanezi's I just

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<v Speaker 8>think without doubt now that the weakest prime minister that

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<v Speaker 8>we've seen in our.

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<v Speaker 3>Lifetime, and this is OLDTC from Albernesi, but no action.

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<v Speaker 3>He talks tough against the Greens, but he will do

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<v Speaker 3>a deal with them to farm government after the.

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<v Speaker 2>Next selection if that's what he needs, just like he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Done countless deals with the Greens that the Business Council

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<v Speaker 3>wanes is jeopardizing our economy well. In response to the

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<v Speaker 3>anti Semitism crisis, the Prime Minister has repeatedly promised to

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<v Speaker 3>introduce tough laws, and he first made this promise in February.

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<v Speaker 11>I've asked as well the Attorney General to develop proposals

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<v Speaker 11>to strengthen laws against hate speech, which we will be doing.

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<v Speaker 11>This is not the Australia that we want to see.

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<v Speaker 1>We've already been working on the hate speech the provisions.

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<v Speaker 1>It is our intention to bring them forward. Strengthen current

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<v Speaker 1>laws that deal with hate speech.

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<v Speaker 3>Total rubbish because we learned today that they've just watered

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<v Speaker 3>them down. I mean, we shouldn't be surprised about this

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<v Speaker 3>because the Prime Minister is a continual disappointment. But this

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<v Speaker 3>was meant to be a hate crimes bill. Yet even

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<v Speaker 3>The Herald reports that Labor has scrubbed criminal penalties for

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<v Speaker 3>seriously vilifying minority groups, and The Herald reports that sources

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<v Speaker 3>familiar with Labour's promised hate speech.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill said it said it had.

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<v Speaker 3>Been significantly weakened in the final stages of drafting and

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<v Speaker 3>was now starkily different from Albanese's original pledge, which he

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<v Speaker 3>made earlier this year following months of concern about inflamed

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<v Speaker 3>anti semitism. Walking away from that creates another political dispute

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<v Speaker 3>for Albanezi, who will be forced to clarify how he

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<v Speaker 3>plans to get tougher on hate speech if the bill

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<v Speaker 3>does not allay community concerns, particularly around anti Semitism. Gone

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<v Speaker 3>from the legislation reportedly are the words hate speech.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what these laws were designed to tackle.

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<v Speaker 3>This is just yet another broken promise from a weak

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<v Speaker 3>government that's comprehensively failed to tackle violence and racism erupting

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<v Speaker 3>on our streets, all for the sake of political expediency.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot more to come on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight, we'll get into the calls for Angus Campbell to

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<v Speaker 3>hand in his medal in a moment, also accusations that

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<v Speaker 3>the top brass are escaping accountability, with only juniors reportedly

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<v Speaker 3>stripped of their medals. I'm going to have the Defense

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<v Speaker 3>Association's Neil James joined me on the program. But now

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<v Speaker 3>let's bring tonight's panel National Senator Matt Canavan and commentator

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<v Speaker 3>Jason Morrison.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt, I want to start with what I was just

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<v Speaker 3>speaking about there in my editorial. I mean, you can't

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<v Speaker 3>make this up watering down race hate laws at the

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<v Speaker 3>same time as giving millions of dollars in funding to

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<v Speaker 3>an organization that promotes the hate preachers.

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening to this government?

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<v Speaker 12>Well, they just don't have their priorities in the right place, Shari.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean that we already have laws against pilification. I'm

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<v Speaker 12>not sure why the government doesn't do more to prosecute

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<v Speaker 12>some of the speeches we've seen from in sermons around

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<v Speaker 12>Western Sydney, obviously the instant of the Opera House. I'd

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<v Speaker 12>just like to see our laws in force that we've got.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, I want to look at any kind of

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<v Speaker 12>new speech laws that come forward, hate or otherwise. I'm

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<v Speaker 12>very concerned about the misinformation laws coming through. I think

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<v Speaker 12>the general principle should be to allow free speech in

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<v Speaker 12>our country and not have government regulate what we say. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 12>where people step over that in terms of inciting others

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<v Speaker 12>to violence or vilifying other races, there it was appropriate

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<v Speaker 12>laws against that. But I come back to the fact

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<v Speaker 12>I just don't see the state of federal governments enforcing

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<v Speaker 12>the laws that already on our books. And I don't

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<v Speaker 12>like the knee jerk reaction though, let's just create more

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<v Speaker 12>laws when we're not doing that, we're not even trying

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<v Speaker 12>to enforce the ones we've already got.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I agree with you. The current laws aren't being enforced.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not people aren't the in law enforcement aren't even

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<v Speaker 3>trying to use them.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a go at using them.

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<v Speaker 3>If there are hurdles, then you know they can tinker

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<v Speaker 3>with the legislation. But the issue is, this is why

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<v Speaker 3>Albinisi and Mark Drefers said that they were going to

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<v Speaker 3>introduce new race hate speech laws, is because police were

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<v Speaker 3>saying to them, we don't have strong enough laws. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't have strong enough laws to prosecute here. So the

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<v Speaker 3>government went, fine, we'll go back to the table. They

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<v Speaker 3>promise to introduce use them. And now they've just looks

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<v Speaker 3>like they've given up. You know, it's great that there

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<v Speaker 3>is docs and laws that they've introduced today, but they've

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<v Speaker 3>given up on this, and Jason, you'd have to think

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<v Speaker 3>again that it's to appease the Muslim communities in the

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<v Speaker 3>seats they're trying to hold onto.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, they don't have strong enough will. And the reason

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<v Speaker 13>they don't have strong enough will is because politically the

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<v Speaker 13>police are not backed to have strong enough will because

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<v Speaker 13>politically you look around. I mean I'm in New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm going around seeing local council posters up everywhere and

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<v Speaker 13>it is quite staggering how many of the candidates running

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<v Speaker 13>in seats in western and south western Sydney are of

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<v Speaker 13>Middle Eastern background. Now there's nothing wrong with that, but

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<v Speaker 13>you know, Labour's got a problem there because it knows

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<v Speaker 13>there's a double message here. This was always a trick.

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<v Speaker 13>What they said was a trick. It was a trick

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<v Speaker 13>to appease the Jewish community at the time rightly fiercely

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<v Speaker 13>angry at what happened on October the ninth of the

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<v Speaker 13>Opera House ever.

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<v Speaker 6>Since and ever since.

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<v Speaker 13>But you know, I mean they hadn't. There wasn't even

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<v Speaker 13>a response on October the ninth, and there were people

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<v Speaker 13>out there calling for the bloods of Jews in Sydney.

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<v Speaker 13>It is extraordinary that they are going to be able

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<v Speaker 13>to get away with this. But they're doing it because

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<v Speaker 13>they're playing to a base, and the base is rotten.

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<v Speaker 2>The base is.

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<v Speaker 13>Fear of losing seats in areas that are very strong

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<v Speaker 13>Muslim populations. And of course the great assumption of all

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<v Speaker 13>of this is that this is what Muslims necessarily want.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not even sure.

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<v Speaker 14>That's what they want.

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<v Speaker 13>They want protections as much as anybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>I had Jamar Riffi on the show the other night

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<v Speaker 3>and he said hate speech and race hate laws should

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<v Speaker 3>be used against the hate preachers.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he supported that.

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<v Speaker 13>So perhaps the buck each way, the whole thing's been

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<v Speaker 13>a buck each way.

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<v Speaker 3>Now a Labor insider has spelled out how the Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister could be on track to lose the next election.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the former Labour Queensland State director, also Bill

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<v Speaker 3>Shotton's former chief of staff, Cameron Milner. As you know

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<v Speaker 3>he's our Monday Night regular guest. Well, he keeps saying

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<v Speaker 3>on this show that Albert Easy could lose. He's pretty

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<v Speaker 3>much the only one saying that. Everyone else says that

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<v Speaker 3>Albernize's on track for minority government. So I told him

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<v Speaker 3>on Monday Night that he was the only one saying this.

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<v Speaker 3>And now he's written a piece about how Labor could

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<v Speaker 3>lose altogether after just one term. And here it is

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<v Speaker 3>front page of The Nightly Tonight. Cameron Milna writes that

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<v Speaker 3>the glib line that Peter Dutton is unelectable is easy

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<v Speaker 3>to say for Labor, but the evidence just doesn't support

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<v Speaker 3>the contention. And he predicts the Liberals and I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to take you through what he says are the seats

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<v Speaker 3>that they could win. Now, he predicts the Liberals could

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<v Speaker 3>win from the Teals, Goldstein Curtain and mckella. And then

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<v Speaker 3>he says, given the cost of living crisis is hurting

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<v Speaker 3>out of metropolitan and regional areas the most he says

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<v Speaker 3>Labor could lose these seats. Gilmour, Lyons Lingiari, McEwen, Patterson, Robertson, Aston,

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<v Speaker 3>Tangy and the.

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<v Speaker 2>New seat of Bullwinkle.

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<v Speaker 3>There's what to all play out, Milna works out that

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<v Speaker 3>the Liberals would then be up eleven seats, taking them

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<v Speaker 3>to around sixty nine seats, while Labour would be down

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<v Speaker 3>to seventy one seats.

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<v Speaker 2>And Milner then says.

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<v Speaker 3>There are other seats up for grabs as well, like

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<v Speaker 3>bruth b and South Australia, Reed and ben along very

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<v Speaker 3>marginal seats in New South Wales and Chisholm in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 3>And then Milner says that if there's another independent candidate

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<v Speaker 3>who's popular in Western Sydney like Da Lee, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>even one of the Muslim candidates could be successful, this

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<v Speaker 3>would mean more losses for Labor. Now, Matt Canavan, we

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<v Speaker 3>know at the moment that Albanezi is facing minority government.

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<v Speaker 2>But Milner talks.

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<v Speaker 3>About the situation with the Voice how alban Easy managed

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<v Speaker 3>to turn around a proposition where about sixty percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the population supported it to a case where it was

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<v Speaker 3>a thorough rejection. So what do you think there's still

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<v Speaker 3>probably around five or six months potentially enter the poll.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, look, I mean the coalition is going to be

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<v Speaker 12>the underdogs going into the election. It's very hard, of

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<v Speaker 12>course to get rid of a first term government and

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<v Speaker 12>on the match you've gone through. We've got an enormous

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<v Speaker 12>number of seats we have to win, but we're in

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<v Speaker 12>this to win it. We've got to do a lot

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<v Speaker 12>of hard work ourselves and prove to the Australian people

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<v Speaker 12>that we've got the policies and solutions to fix their issues.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, I, for one, hope that the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 12>don't read Cameron Milner's piece, because they certainly seem to

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<v Speaker 12>be governing like they think they can't lose. And you know,

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<v Speaker 12>pretty much from day one, they've acted like they are

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<v Speaker 12>somehow been coronated by the Australian people, when in fact,

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<v Speaker 12>even at the last election that they won, they receive

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<v Speaker 12>the lowest share of a primary vote of any incoming

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<v Speaker 12>government in our history. Just a third of Australian's voted

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<v Speaker 12>for the Labor Party. And so I just feel like

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<v Speaker 12>they've got ahead of themselves still are. I've spent the

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<v Speaker 12>last couple of weeks debating among themselves about what questions

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<v Speaker 12>on transgenderism should be asked in the Australian census, not

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<v Speaker 12>worrying about how they can create more homes for people

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<v Speaker 12>who don't have one in Australia. Right now, not how

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<v Speaker 12>they can get inflation rate down to a level at

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<v Speaker 12>least what exists in other comparable countries like in North

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<v Speaker 12>America and Europe with the highest inflation rate in the world.

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<v Speaker 12>They just totally distracted and not focused on the priorities

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<v Speaker 12>and challenges, many challenges that are facing Australian family. So

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<v Speaker 12>if they keep governing like this, look anything's possible. But

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<v Speaker 12>as I say, we've got that hard work to do

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<v Speaker 12>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a lot of seats to make up.

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<v Speaker 13>What do you think, Jason, I actually don't think he's

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<v Speaker 13>alone on this. I saw Redbridge polling the other day

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<v Speaker 13>out with similar results talking about Gilmore the most marginal

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<v Speaker 13>seat going against the government. A whole stack of those

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<v Speaker 13>that are on that list going against the government. I

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<v Speaker 13>got two theories on this. One is the obvious that

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<v Speaker 13>they are terribly I mean your mate that comes on

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<v Speaker 13>here from the polling company the other day and Milner

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<v Speaker 13>himself said that Albanese is coming across this week useless

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<v Speaker 13>and a liar week. Useless and a liar. It keeps

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<v Speaker 13>coming out in the polling. And this is a guy,

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<v Speaker 13>this is a labor guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there's a.

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<v Speaker 13>Possibility that this is a hit piece too. This actually

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<v Speaker 13>could be designed and MPs go home over the weekend

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<v Speaker 13>they see.

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<v Speaker 2>Disasters for a long time.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 4>They are screwed.

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<v Speaker 13>They are screwed with him, and they know it, and

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<v Speaker 13>it's just a matter of time.

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<v Speaker 15>He's got to go.

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<v Speaker 13>The only thing, I mean, nothing they can do policy

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<v Speaker 13>wise is going to make the people Matt speaks of

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<v Speaker 13>in their homes have a better quality of life, have

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<v Speaker 13>lower mortgage payments, have lower powers. There is nothing they

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<v Speaker 13>are going to be able to do. The only thing

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<v Speaker 13>they can do is get rid of the bloke who

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<v Speaker 13>is useless at campaigning and is disliked by the Australian

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<v Speaker 13>public at the moment. And that's the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, this guy's a Labor right guy.

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<v Speaker 13>There's a lot of writers in the Labor Party that

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<v Speaker 13>are pretty pod about the way alberanize taking the government

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<v Speaker 13>right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They want him.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to get rid of him, though, matter

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<v Speaker 3>do you think we do?

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<v Speaker 12>You think we should draft out a campaign to draft

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<v Speaker 12>Bill Shorten back. I think again, Bill don't go.

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<v Speaker 16>Well, I would I would have.

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<v Speaker 12>A stranger things have happened.

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<v Speaker 13>I would have said that someone like Charmers would be

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<v Speaker 13>an option for them. Except today I saw Charmers basically

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<v Speaker 13>taking the piss out of an old pensioner in Parliament

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<v Speaker 13>question time because the blokes had his letter read out

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<v Speaker 13>in Parliament complaining about his gas bill and they just

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<v Speaker 13>took the mickey out of it. I mean they forget

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<v Speaker 13>that this is real in people's lives, that people are

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<v Speaker 13>really struggling.

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<v Speaker 2>They have forgotten that because they are.

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<v Speaker 13>So removed from it and talk about removal.

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<v Speaker 15>The removal solution is out now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he was having a bit of a lighthearted moment,

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<v Speaker 3>but I don't think he was miking h well.

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<v Speaker 13>I wonder how cess all the pension of feels about

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<v Speaker 13>it being mocked and having the piss taken out of

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<v Speaker 13>his name by the Treasure of Australia with his double

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<v Speaker 13>power bill.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have a look at Tanya pliversek now, very controversial

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<v Speaker 3>move we've been discussing on the show, her decision to

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<v Speaker 3>kill off the billion dollar gold mine at the eleventh hour.

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<v Speaker 2>But now there's one.

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<v Speaker 3>Hundred and twenty one land councils are preparing to converge

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<v Speaker 3>in the state's central West to discuss this intervention. This

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<v Speaker 3>report in the OZ today we heard the former New

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<v Speaker 3>South Wales Aboriginal Land Council chair ry R s He

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<v Speaker 3>was outraged by Plebisk's decision.

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<v Speaker 2>He was on Chris Kenny a bit earlier.

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<v Speaker 17>I have a look for the minister and not even

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<v Speaker 17>talked to the local Aboriginal Land Council. That in itself

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<v Speaker 17>is disrespectful. It's disrespectful to our voice. The landline system

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<v Speaker 17>was set up, Chris, to give abidinal people a voice

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<v Speaker 17>in the state of New South Wales.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't only for.

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<v Speaker 17>Recompense, for compensation and dispossession. It was set up to

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<v Speaker 17>give abidinal people a voice in the state of New

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<v Speaker 17>South Wales. And she hasn't even listened to our voice.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Matt, this is stunning as well that Tanyabo

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<v Speaker 3>were second, that Albanezi government has managed to get indigenous

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<v Speaker 3>groups offside.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, Tan your purposec needs to go to this meeting.

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<v Speaker 12>Just go there and listen. Doesn't have to say anything.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't have given speeches. Listen to the people there

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<v Speaker 12>because Royc there's hit the nail on the head. I mean,

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<v Speaker 12>this was a government that had at its centerpiece was

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<v Speaker 12>what it wanted to achieve an election night. The first

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<v Speaker 12>thing the Prime Minister mentioned was to establish a voice

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<v Speaker 12>for Aboriginal people. Now, ultimately the Australian people didn't want

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<v Speaker 12>to have that in our referendum, but I think all

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<v Speaker 12>Australians would agree that the Aboriginal people deserve to have

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<v Speaker 12>a voice, that Abridginal people deserve to have their voices

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<v Speaker 12>heard just like any other Australian. Just didn't want it

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<v Speaker 12>enshrined in the constitution a race based way. But if

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<v Speaker 12>this Globor party is seriously serious about listening to a

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<v Speaker 12>voice rather than just radical constitutional change, go out to

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<v Speaker 12>Orange and meet with these groups and hear from these

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<v Speaker 12>Aboriginal land councils about why they're upset with this change.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean my experience with Aboriginal groups that yes, they're

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<v Speaker 12>very serious about respecting their areas of heritage and sacred

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<v Speaker 12>sites like the rest of us. They do want economic

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<v Speaker 12>opportunity too, and of many entrepreneurial people among them who

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<v Speaker 12>want businesses, and all of these decisions have to be

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<v Speaker 12>balanced against the economic opportunity that Aboriginal areas against also

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<v Speaker 12>the right to protect herriage. It's just like they are

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<v Speaker 12>in urban environments as well. And it's pretty clear here

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<v Speaker 12>Tanya has let that balance way out of whack and

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<v Speaker 12>she's listening to some fringe radical extremists, so not the

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<v Speaker 12>vast bulk of Aboriginal people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, all right, Matt Canavan.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned a moment ago that Labor introduced its new

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<v Speaker 3>revamped Misinformation Bill into Parliament today. Now, this bill is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the most unpopular pieces of legislation ever to

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<v Speaker 3>be introduced into the parliament, Jason. It has been criticized

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<v Speaker 3>by the left and the right broadly. There are serious

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<v Speaker 3>concerns about how we're impact on journalism, on individuals in

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<v Speaker 3>the public who want to have their say, give a

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<v Speaker 3>different opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about this?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, we don't need another government agency of unelected individuals

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<v Speaker 13>making decisions on what's acceptable to say or not. The

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<v Speaker 13>market can make that decision, and the market can call

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<v Speaker 13>out people who say the wrong things, and shows like

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<v Speaker 13>this and shows on the ABC can even do it

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<v Speaker 13>as well. We don't need a government agency for this.

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<v Speaker 8>I dubbed this.

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<v Speaker 13>I think it's a dangerous step in a direction we

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<v Speaker 13>don't need to go, Matt.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the examples the Minister gave when she was

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<v Speaker 3>talking about this legislation is that it could be used

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<v Speaker 3>against people who were promoting anti vaccination information online well

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<v Speaker 3>after the COVID vaccine. There are a lot of legitimate

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<v Speaker 3>concerns about that vaccine and that could be repeated in

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<v Speaker 3>the future if there is.

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<v Speaker 2>Another pandemic and another quick vaccine welled out. So should

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<v Speaker 2>those concerns be removed from online? This is a debatable area.

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<v Speaker 12>It absolutely is. It absolutely is. There's actually nothing that

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<v Speaker 12>maybe we should debate more than the health outcomes of

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<v Speaker 12>different interventions, whether they be ones in response to the coronavirus,

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<v Speaker 12>just the general health of different food products and our

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<v Speaker 12>general pharmaceutical first approach to health in the modern world.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a very legitimate source of political debate, and our

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<v Speaker 12>Constitution actually protects political communication, or the High Courts interpreted

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<v Speaker 12>that as an implied right. Nowhere in this bill that

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<v Speaker 12>I could find I've tried to get through the seventy

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<v Speaker 12>pages of it this evening. Now are this bill I

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<v Speaker 12>could find any protection for those implied rights of all Australians.

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<v Speaker 12>And really this is not a bill to protect your

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<v Speaker 12>listeners tonight, your viewers tonight against misinformation. This is a

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<v Speaker 12>bill to protect government bureaucrats against criticism.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 12>It's a bill. It's a protection racket to stop any

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<v Speaker 12>accountability from our public servants, who look as diligent as

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<v Speaker 12>they may be, as we saw during the COVID epidemic,

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<v Speaker 12>have enormous power over our lives. And when that power

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<v Speaker 12>has to come accountability, they have to be subject to

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<v Speaker 12>criticism in a proper functioning democracy, and this bill weakens

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<v Speaker 12>that and it should be just immediately dismissed out of

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<v Speaker 12>hand and taken out as part of it is one

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<v Speaker 12>of the worst piece piece of legislation to being introduced

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<v Speaker 12>in a democratic parliament this country.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely and we've heard the Prime Minister and his ministers

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<v Speaker 3>accuse everything of being misinformation, even political attacks on them,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, criticism about the voice. And if they're now

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<v Speaker 3>legislating misinformation, you can just imagine how this could be abused,

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<v Speaker 3>misused during for political purposes during an election campaign. It's scary,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, Matt Canavan, Jason Morrison, thank you Bach so much.

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<v Speaker 18>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Defense Minister Richard Miles today revoked service medal service medals

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<v Speaker 3>from commanding officers during the Afghanistan War. This was a

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<v Speaker 3>recommendation after an inquiry into alleged war crimes by Ossie troops.

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<v Speaker 2>Here was Richard Miles.

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<v Speaker 16>Today closing out these two recommendations. Was me writing to

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<v Speaker 16>relevant commanders about my decision in relation to medals awarded

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<v Speaker 16>to them as part of their service during periods approximate

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<v Speaker 16>to the incidents which are at the heart of the

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<v Speaker 16>Breton Report. I have now written these letters. My decisions

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<v Speaker 16>on this matter are consistent with the findings and recommendations

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<v Speaker 16>of the Breton Report, in accordance with obligations owed to

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<v Speaker 16>the individuals involved, including under the Privacy Act, I am

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<v Speaker 16>prohibited from disclosing the details and outcomes.

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<v Speaker 3>With Shadow Defense Minister Andrew Hasty said more senior officials

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<v Speaker 3>on the top brass need to be held accountable.

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<v Speaker 19>Those in the chain of command who saw the post

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<v Speaker 19>mission slide decks with the kill counts and pictures of

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<v Speaker 19>dead individuals had an obligation to ask questions. From Taran

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<v Speaker 19>Court to Kubble, to candor Heart, to do Ye to Candra,

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<v Speaker 19>excuse me, those in the chain of command should have

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<v Speaker 19>asked more questions.

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<v Speaker 3>He was quite emotional about that well. Also in the opposition,

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<v Speaker 3>Keith Wallahan said that Angus Campbell himself should handback his mettle.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a look, we'll bring The awards that we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>about were given for distinguished command and leadership or distinguished leadership.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been a leader in combat. You do get all

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<v Speaker 4>of the glory of the good work and courage that

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<v Speaker 4>your soldiers do. But the flip side of that is

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<v Speaker 4>that you also have some moral accountability for when things

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<v Speaker 4>go wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's bring in now Australian Defense Associations Executive director

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<v Speaker 3>Neil James. Welcome to the show, Neil. Look, what do

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<v Speaker 3>you think of those comments from Andrew Hasty and Neil

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<v Speaker 3>James that there hasn't been enough accountability at the top.

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<v Speaker 20>Well, there certainly hasn't, and we have the advantage in

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<v Speaker 20>footal partner at the moment that we have too Afghan

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<v Speaker 20>to stend more veterans with combat experience in the Special

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<v Speaker 20>Operations time scrip. They've raised some very very good points.

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<v Speaker 20>The Breton Report basically said that certain senior officers, even

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<v Speaker 20>if they couldn't be held legally responsible, were morally responsible

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<v Speaker 20>in all good conscience, their awards could not or should

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<v Speaker 20>not be retained, which was a subtle hit by Breton.

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<v Speaker 20>Maybe they should be handed back the ministrative laws now

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<v Speaker 20>kicked in. The Minister has written to various people and

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<v Speaker 20>provided them with the opportunity to show cause why their

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<v Speaker 20>medals should not be revoked. In about a third of

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<v Speaker 20>the cases they provide a sufficient cause that a revocation

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<v Speaker 20>apparently didn't happen. In about two thirds of the cases

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<v Speaker 20>they were unable to or judged unable to, so the

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<v Speaker 20>awards will be revoked. The big problem here and no

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<v Speaker 20>one's really addressing it, but to an extent you've seen

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<v Speaker 20>that from Keith Woller and Andrew Hasty is what about

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<v Speaker 20>further up the chain, Because a number of the problems

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<v Speaker 20>that occurred in afghanist und occurred because governments of both

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<v Speaker 20>political persuasions, over a period of some years expected the

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<v Speaker 20>Defense Force and indeed the Special Forces campaigner of the

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<v Speaker 20>Defense Force do some things without adequately taking into account

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<v Speaker 20>of the situation they're putting.

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<v Speaker 21>Those forces in.

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<v Speaker 20>So this is not just a problem for the Defense

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<v Speaker 20>Force or and do the Department of Defense. It's a

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<v Speaker 20>problem for Australia as a whole, particularly the way decisions

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<v Speaker 20>are made and the way our troops are sent to war.

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<v Speaker 3>Now there hasn't been any real information given by the

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<v Speaker 3>Defense Minister, and rightly so, you know this should be

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<v Speaker 3>kept private. But as a result of that, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people watching tonight are saying, well, you know, these

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 3>young men and maybe women went off bravely to fight

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 3>in battle in the fog of war. You know, they

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<v Speaker 3>had to make snap decisions to defend themselves or to

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<v Speaker 3>defend their mates. They solve their fellow soldiers being killed.

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<v Speaker 3>So given we don't have the detail that it's not

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<v Speaker 3>in the public domain, there is this sense of confusion

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<v Speaker 3>in the public about whether or not you know, these

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<v Speaker 3>soldiers deserve to have their medals revoked.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your response to this, Well.

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<v Speaker 20>It depends on how you look at it. For example,

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<v Speaker 20>the war crimes were the callous murder of unarmed prisoners.

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<v Speaker 20>They weren't fog of war or heat of battle incidents.

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<v Speaker 20>There are deliberately decisions taken to murder people unarmed after

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<v Speaker 20>they were captured. In any way you look at this,

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<v Speaker 20>not only is this a defense against the laws of war,

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<v Speaker 20>it's also an offense against the professionalism expected of Australian

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<v Speaker 20>military personnel. And the cover up that then occurred was

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<v Speaker 20>also unprofessional and illegal, and the people who did this

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<v Speaker 20>will duly be punished. They have their day in a

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<v Speaker 20>court of law. But we can't wait for that to

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<v Speaker 20>occur because we know it occurred, and where we've got

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<v Speaker 20>to take steps to resurrect austraight as public reputation, the

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<v Speaker 20>reputation professionalism and the Defense Force. The problem we have though,

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<v Speaker 20>is that further up the command chain, you know, there

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<v Speaker 20>were people. If they didn't know and covered it up,

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<v Speaker 20>then they're guilty of an offense both morally and legally.

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<v Speaker 20>If they didn't know then obviously, but the plan would

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<v Speaker 20>be made that they should have known, and therefore there

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<v Speaker 20>was a command failure. And we said this when we

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<v Speaker 20>first rate about the report back in December twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 20>It's even to pin tweet on our Twitter stream. The

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<v Speaker 20>problem there, though is even senior Defense Force commanders are

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<v Speaker 20>not the only people that need to be held culpable

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<v Speaker 20>for what went wrong. There are people up to chain

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<v Speaker 20>going into parliament and in de caapment under governments of

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<v Speaker 20>both political persuasions who put the Defense Force in a

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<v Speaker 20>situation where the risk of this type of thing occurring

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<v Speaker 20>was quite high and it's just like noble courts corruption

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<v Speaker 20>in a police force. You've actually got to stamp it

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<v Speaker 20>out from the top to the bottom to make certain

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<v Speaker 20>that never happens again. And no matter what happens, Australia

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<v Speaker 20>has to resurrect its international reputation. And if we don't

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<v Speaker 20>take the appropriate legal steps to do that and to

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<v Speaker 20>make sure that this type of war crime is never

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<v Speaker 20>committed again by Australians, international criminal court will start to

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<v Speaker 20>take a big interest and I don't think any Australian

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<v Speaker 20>Once that do occur, we should deal with this in

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<v Speaker 20>the Australian court and by Australian criminal law and administry

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<v Speaker 20>law and command law procedures.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Neil James really appreciate you giving your thoughts tonight. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>after the break tensions between Alban Easy and his rival

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Tanya Plibisek over the backlash to environment laws, plus the

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<v Speaker 3>conspiracy theory surrounding Kamala Harris in the wake of the

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<v Speaker 3>presidential debate, my panel will join me next.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's bring in tonight's panel, National Affairs editor at The

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<v Speaker 3>Australian Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly and former Labor and P Michael Danby. Welcomed you

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<v Speaker 2>both look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>In an eleventh hour move, Tanya Plibisek has withdrawn her

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<v Speaker 3>contentious environmental laws from the Senate. This came after heavy

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<v Speaker 3>opposition from the business sector. They were furious that Plibisk

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<v Speaker 3>was considering doing a deal with the Greens.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Interestingly, Simon Benson in The Australian reports that alban Easy

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<v Speaker 3>is reportedly unhappy about the latest blow up and the

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<v Speaker 3>potential for another war on something else that he clearly

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 3>doesn't need. Sources say this has been communicated to Plibosc's office,

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<v Speaker 3>So Joe Kelly, it clearly looks like there are tensions here,

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<v Speaker 3>an annoyance on the Prime Minister's part, that this was

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<v Speaker 3>another bungled policy area by Plibersec.

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<v Speaker 18>I think that's right, Cherry. I don't quite know what

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<v Speaker 18>the labor strategy is here. I think they should have

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<v Speaker 18>been pretty definitive from the get go that they won't

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<v Speaker 18>agree to a climate trigger to get the Greens on

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<v Speaker 18>board to establish this environmental protection agency. I think that

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<v Speaker 18>just exposes them to a backlash from the business community

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<v Speaker 18>and opens up an attack on them from the coalition.

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<v Speaker 18>They have always left that on the table, so this

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<v Speaker 18>was always a risk. I think that the messaging from

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<v Speaker 18>Tanya Plibosek has been very confusing this week, where she

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<v Speaker 18>has indicated that yes, a deal with the Greens over

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<v Speaker 18>this is possible, particularly given how upset the minerals and

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<v Speaker 18>resources sector is at the industrial relations policies of this

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<v Speaker 18>government in relation to their position on environmental approval. So

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<v Speaker 18>I can understand why Anthony Albinizi is upset, but he's

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<v Speaker 18>the Prime Minister and I think that at the end

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<v Speaker 18>of the day he has to take responsibility for this,

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<v Speaker 18>and I think he should have been very clear from

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<v Speaker 18>the start no deal with the Greens and no climate trigger.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Danby, I mean, you know all the players here

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<v Speaker 3>very well. You were in Parliament for years and years

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<v Speaker 3>and years. Do you think part of the issue that

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<v Speaker 3>we're seeing with all of these cases that just blow

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<v Speaker 3>up in Labour's face is that the Prime Minister isn't

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<v Speaker 3>across the detail. He just leaves it to the ministers

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<v Speaker 3>and it's only when something erupts that he gets involved.

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<v Speaker 21>Well, the mining sector provides so much of the revenue

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<v Speaker 21>that we spend on our social programs. When BHP goes

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<v Speaker 21>on the front page of The Australian and that it's

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<v Speaker 21>spending its contribution to tax revenue, is contributing fifty percent

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 21>of the health budget. You know, Elbow's got a problem.

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 21>BHP and some of the other mining companies aren't like

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:17.879
<v Speaker 21>Gina Reiner. They've been pretty work on some issues now.

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<v Speaker 21>None of us want that Aboriginal carvings has happened in

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<v Speaker 21>West Australia to be destroyed in the future. But in

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:29.319
<v Speaker 21>this area of mining, he has a real problem. These

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:32.399
<v Speaker 21>are the people who provide us with the revenue, the

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<v Speaker 21>wealth to do all of the things that Australians expect.

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<v Speaker 21>How do we pay for NDIS and the defense budget

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<v Speaker 21>if we don't have the support of the mining industry.

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<v Speaker 21>It's dealing with the Greens and the Senate is a

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.040
<v Speaker 21>typical problem. It'd be better to deal with the Liberals

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<v Speaker 21>and the crossbench.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, very difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to another big story today in media circles. At

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<v Speaker 3>the Very Least nine chief executive Mike Sneezeby announced that

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<v Speaker 3>he was stepping down from the role. He described the

0:36:06.960 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 3>recent period as one of the most challenging of his career.

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 3>This is a head of an independent review into workplace

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 3>culture and sexual harassment that's going to be handed down

0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 3>on October thirty. First, Joe, this is a serious issue.

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:27.720
<v Speaker 3>This was the me too movement hitting Channel nine. Sneezey

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<v Speaker 3>said the announcement of his resignation was completely unrelated to this,

0:36:33.440 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 3>but it's no question that the company is going through

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 3>a very difficult, troubled period.

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<v Speaker 18>I think it's irrelevant whether it was related or not.

0:36:44.080 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 18>The fact is that he's announced that he's going. This

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:52.000
<v Speaker 18>is a media organization going through a period of turbulence

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 18>and leadership change. They've had a really shocking run of

0:36:55.560 --> 0:36:58.680
<v Speaker 18>it in the last few months. So obviously we had

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.480
<v Speaker 18>the abrupt resignation of Darren Wick, then the allegations of

0:37:02.600 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 18>inappropriate behavior against him, which soon followed the commissioning of

0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 18>this review into the culture at nine, including allegations of

0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:16.520
<v Speaker 18>bullying and harassment. There was the Peter Costello incident not

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 18>too much later. The share price has taken a clobbering.

0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 18>It's less than half of what it was when Mike

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 18>Sneezeby took over the top job three years ago. And

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:31.600
<v Speaker 18>in the publishing arm just recently there were obviously strikes

0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 18>about pay in conditions from journalists on their flagship Masthead,

0:37:36.160 --> 0:37:39.840
<v Speaker 18>so look they're going through a period of difficulty in

0:37:39.960 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 18>leadership change, and they'll need to rebuild. They'll need to

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 18>rebuild from here and adapt to the times.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeh, look, just ending tonight this panel at least on

0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.800
<v Speaker 3>the US presidential debate that we saw yesterday.

0:37:52.880 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>General consensus.

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 3>Michael downby that Kamala Harris won the debate, that Donald

0:37:57.960 --> 0:37:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Trump was unprepared.

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<v Speaker 2>What were your main takeouts?

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<v Speaker 21>Well, he's an older guy. He should have done what

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 21>Kamala didn't taken some not rest, but some preparation beforehand,

0:38:10.560 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 21>and he lacked the detail that he has got on

0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 21>his side. There was no discussion of international affairs, no

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 21>commemoration of the fact that it was an anniversary of

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:24.240
<v Speaker 21>September the eleventh. I mean, didn't three thousand Americans die

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:26.920
<v Speaker 21>in New York on that day, the city that Trump

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 21>comes from. Look, he could have not come ella for

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 21>a sixth but he didn't. And I think she showed

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.960
<v Speaker 21>herself to be more capable than most people thought of.

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<v Speaker 21>I'm not sure that debates Shari in the end determine

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<v Speaker 21>the results. I still think from what I see, Frank

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<v Speaker 21>Lunt says that he's ahead the Polster in the Swing

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<v Speaker 21>States and that's what he has to hang on to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeap, Joe Kelly, just very quickly. You know a lot

0:38:55.640 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 3>of people watching would have already made up their mind

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<v Speaker 3>about who they were going to vote for, very small

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<v Speaker 3>pool of undecided. So where do you think this is

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<v Speaker 3>headed at this point in time?

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<v Speaker 18>Well, look, I think if Kamala Harris goes on to

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<v Speaker 18>win the election in November, people might look back and

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<v Speaker 18>actually say that the debate was more significant than it

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<v Speaker 18>might appear now. I think it was actually interesting for

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<v Speaker 18>showing how much things had changed. The contest has flipped.

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<v Speaker 18>I think Donald Trump wasn't prepared and he's underestimated the

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<v Speaker 18>challenge that Kamala Harris has brought to the table.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, all right, Joe Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>We look forward to hearing more US analysis from you

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<v Speaker 3>in the coming weeks, and Michael dowb be great to.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Now after the break the story that's about to blow

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<v Speaker 3>up Albanize's major broken promise on hate speech laws.

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal Julian Lisa would join me in a moment, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we've all been horrified at the violence and vile

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<v Speaker 3>behavior that took place in the streets of Melbourne yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the failure of our political leaders who failed

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<v Speaker 3>to act on aggression that has now become normalized in

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<v Speaker 3>the wake of the October seven attacks. Will Liberally and

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<v Speaker 3>p Julian Lisa spoke out about it in Parliament today.

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<v Speaker 15>People have the right to protest, but they have to

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<v Speaker 15>do it peacefully.

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<v Speaker 14>All around our country there has been a growing sense

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<v Speaker 14>of lawlessness since October seven. The violence involved in Melbourne's

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<v Speaker 14>protest yesterday is shocking and all too often governments aren't

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<v Speaker 14>throwing the book at people who thumb their nose at

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<v Speaker 14>the law and shown no respect for their fellow Australians.

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<v Speaker 2>And Julian joins me here now, great to.

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<v Speaker 14>See you hire.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, this does seem to be a culmination

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<v Speaker 3>of lawlessness. This mob think that they run the streets,

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<v Speaker 3>that there's going to be no consequences for their actions

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<v Speaker 3>because there haven't.

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<v Speaker 15>Been no That's exactly right, Sherry.

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<v Speaker 14>I mean, we shouldn't have a situation where bad people

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<v Speaker 14>run run the country and bad people run the town.

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<v Speaker 14>And that's effectively what's happened here. Because every protest since

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<v Speaker 14>the seventh of October, starting with the Opera House riots

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<v Speaker 14>on the ninth of October have basically been met with

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<v Speaker 14>a slap on the wrist rather than people throwing the

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<v Speaker 14>book at these practice. There's no consequence for this stuff.

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<v Speaker 14>And what we're seeing in Melbourne isn't a protest, it's

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<v Speaker 14>a riot. We should call out for what it actually is.

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<v Speaker 14>The violence that was there where feces were thrown at police,

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<v Speaker 14>where there's reports tonight in the press that people squirted,

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<v Speaker 14>people squirted to nerve things into the nostrils of the

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<v Speaker 14>horses there. This isn't Australian behavior. And yet these people,

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<v Speaker 14>these anarchistic type behavior that is around. The sort of

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<v Speaker 14>anti Israel, anti Semitic behaviors that we're seeing there is

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<v Speaker 14>unprecedented in our history. And the only thing you can

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<v Speaker 14>do with this is throw the book at people with

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<v Speaker 14>the strongest laws possible.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you talk about throwing the book at people with

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<v Speaker 3>the strongest laws possible. And Mark Dreyfus and the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Drefs being the Attorney General, promised new hate speech laws.

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<v Speaker 3>The police said they needed them. They promised new laws.

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<v Speaker 3>That was back in February. We now learn that they've

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<v Speaker 3>wanted them down and they're not going to be any

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<v Speaker 3>stronger than what we've got at the moment.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah, this is hugely disappointing Sharia. I mean, the increase

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<v Speaker 14>in antisemitism since the seventh of October is off the charts.

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<v Speaker 14>We've had an over seven hundred percent increasing incidents, everything

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<v Speaker 14>from anti Semitic incidents outside Jewish schools to doxing, to

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<v Speaker 14>the drive throughs in suburbs, to the terrible things that

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<v Speaker 14>are happening on our university campuses. If ever, there was

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<v Speaker 14>a time where we needed stronger laws to deal with

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<v Speaker 14>these issues, and we actually needed governments to use the

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<v Speaker 14>laws that are there on the statute book today, and

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<v Speaker 14>that's the main thing we've been asking.

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<v Speaker 6>Them to do.

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<v Speaker 14>Police should enforce the laws, prosecutions should happen, and with

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<v Speaker 14>these laws that the government has presented today, they will

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<v Speaker 14>go off to a Senate committee. And it's very important

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<v Speaker 14>that the Senate committee interrogates the police, interrogates the prosecution authorities,

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<v Speaker 14>and interrogates the government to find out why there haven't

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<v Speaker 14>been these prosecutions and whether there'll be any prosecutions for

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<v Speaker 14>any of this bad behavior under their proposed laws.

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<v Speaker 3>And politics is probably the reason why they have waded

0:43:01.920 --> 0:43:03.800
<v Speaker 3>them down. But at the same time, we saw the

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<v Speaker 3>front page of the Daily Telegraph today with the revelation

0:43:07.120 --> 0:43:10.400
<v Speaker 3>that two point four million dollars has been made available

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:14.800
<v Speaker 3>to three community groups, one of which promotes and features

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:18.120
<v Speaker 3>on their website the hate preacher who said he was

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<v Speaker 3>elated just twenty four hours after the October seven attack.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think of this, of this utter hypocrisy

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 3>from the Albanezi government.

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<v Speaker 14>This is a product of the moral equivalents with which

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<v Speaker 14>the government's approached this whole issue from the very beginning.

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<v Speaker 14>You'll remember, after the seventh of October, the government gave

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<v Speaker 14>twenty five million to the Jewish community to improve its security. Now,

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:41.160
<v Speaker 14>any community that is a threat deserves to have money

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<v Speaker 14>to improve it security, doesn't matter whether it's the Jewish community,

0:43:43.600 --> 0:43:46.759
<v Speaker 14>the Muslim community, the Christian community, the Hindu community. But

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 14>because they needed to so called balance the ledger, they

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.319
<v Speaker 14>gave money to the Palestinian communities and basically said, well,

0:43:53.320 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 14>we'll give that money to you for advocacy. But advocacy

0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:59.359
<v Speaker 14>that is run by a person who has said those

0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.200
<v Speaker 14>things about Jews and who took that reaction to the

0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 14>seventh of October terrorist attacks actually diminishes our social cohesion.

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<v Speaker 14>I couldn't think of a worse organization to receive that

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:10.720
<v Speaker 14>sort of money At this time.

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<v Speaker 3>The scrutiny on the Abenezy government over this is really

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:19.440
<v Speaker 3>only coming from newscot Do you think there should be

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 3>more attention paid to this issue from the other media organizations,

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 3>because if you're not reading.

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Newscop products or watching Sky News, then you.

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<v Speaker 3>Might just not realize what they're doing here and how

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<v Speaker 3>they are deliberately, in my view, at least, causing the

0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:38.000
<v Speaker 3>further erosion of social cohesion in our country.

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<v Speaker 14>Absolutely, Sharia, the social cohesion of Australia is not just

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 14>an issue for Jewish people. It's not just an issue

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 14>for the consumers of news corp publications and media. It's

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:49.839
<v Speaker 14>an issue for all Australians. And what we saw in

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<v Speaker 14>Melbourne this week is reminded that this is so much

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<v Speaker 14>more than just the Jewish community, and it's so much

0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:56.799
<v Speaker 14>more than just the people who watch this program. This

0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 14>is about the small businesses in Melbourne who have that

0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 14>trade interrupted. Is a about the security of our country

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 14>through having proper weapons for Australia to defend itself. This

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:08.120
<v Speaker 14>is about the ability for us to bring international business

0:45:08.120 --> 0:45:10.719
<v Speaker 14>to this country. This is about people just going about

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<v Speaker 14>their ordinary business.

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 2>You're going to get their kids to school.

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<v Speaker 14>Correct, go to work correct. And if we have people

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 14>who are fermenting the sort of breakdown in social cohesion

0:45:20.200 --> 0:45:22.440
<v Speaker 14>for the country, that is bad for all Australians.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Julian Lisa, great to have you on set

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<v Speaker 3>with us after your busy week in Candra.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 15>Charing.

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<v Speaker 3>After the break, Kamala Harris and Donald Trump put their

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<v Speaker 3>differences aside to commemorate the September eleven terror attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>As the fallout from.

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<v Speaker 3>The presidential debate continues, I'll be joined by New York

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<v Speaker 3>Post columnist David Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 2>Next. Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, before we turn to the fallout of the presidential debate,

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<v Speaker 3>we have some breaking news now from space.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the first ever.

0:45:55.320 --> 0:46:00.200
<v Speaker 3>In the history of the world civilian space walk. This

0:46:00.280 --> 0:46:04.800
<v Speaker 3>is SpaceX so Elon Musk Venture has taken four civilians

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 3>into space. I understand that they're in a capsule orbiting

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 3>the Earth, first ever civilians to be taken into space.

0:46:14.840 --> 0:46:20.160
<v Speaker 3>They're doing experiments, but ultimately this will be a commercial

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.840
<v Speaker 3>enterprise that Elon Musk is running where people will be

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.279
<v Speaker 3>able to pay to go into space. So that is

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:30.400
<v Speaker 3>just happening now, some big breaking news from space. The

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 3>world is changing and Elon Musk, for all your criticisms

0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:37.399
<v Speaker 3>of him, is doing incredible things that we didn't think

0:46:37.640 --> 0:46:40.280
<v Speaker 3>was humanly possible. All right, let's turn to the US

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 3>elections now, and let's bring in New York Post columnist

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<v Speaker 3>David Kauffman.

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<v Speaker 2>David, great to see you.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, there was it was September eleven yesterday in Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>but of course it was September eleven today in the

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<v Speaker 3>US and there were the commemorations.

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<v Speaker 2>For the terror attacks. How did Kamala and Trump honor

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<v Speaker 2>this case?

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<v Speaker 15>So considering the sort of a hallowed reverence of September elevenths,

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 15>it's traditionally a day without politicking, but yesterday was really

0:47:09.640 --> 0:47:15.879
<v Speaker 15>all about politics and optics. Harris, Trump, Biden, JD. Bank

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 15>has all appeared on stage in Laura, Manhattan to commemorate

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 15>the terror attacks. And really, if you've looked at the

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:25.600
<v Speaker 15>optics of this image, it was very much a win

0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 15>for Kamala Harris. You know, at the debate she positioned

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.080
<v Speaker 15>herself as sort of a pathway forward, a way out

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 15>of this mess that America finds its way in right now.

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<v Speaker 15>And there she was standing, you know, on the dais

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<v Speaker 15>with you know, four or five men, all white, all

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 15>you know, at least a decade, if not too older

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 15>than her. And she really looked like a breath, like

0:47:47.600 --> 0:47:50.480
<v Speaker 15>the breath of fresh air, like the way forward that

0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 15>she positioned herself the previous evening. At the debate yesterday

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 15>was supposed to be not about politics, but it was

0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 15>all about politics, and in many ways Vice presid Kamala

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 15>Harris really one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah she did. Indeed, we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't learn any more detail about why her policy

0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:11.480
<v Speaker 3>positions have changed or really what her policy position is,

0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:14.960
<v Speaker 3>particularly when it comes to foreign policy, which is a

0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 3>concern for everyone around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>But she did win.

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<v Speaker 3>Is there now a concern in the Republican Party? Do

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 3>you think they're going to agree to another debate and

0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.360
<v Speaker 3>actually get Trump to knuckle down?

0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.280
<v Speaker 15>I would be surprised if Republicans did agree to another debate.

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<v Speaker 15>You know, the goal of Tuesday night was really different

0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:39.239
<v Speaker 15>people like me who are just undecided. We don't like

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:41.640
<v Speaker 15>any of them. And what Harry seemed to do was

0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 15>to sort of demonstrate that she was presidential, that she

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 15>was taking this seriously, that she could rise to the occasion,

0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:50.120
<v Speaker 15>that she was more than these kind of goofy laughs

0:48:50.200 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 15>and memes, And in that regard she really succeeded. I

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 15>was quite impressed by the gravitas that she displayed. I

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 15>was quite impressed by I felt like this woman was

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:04.280
<v Speaker 15>taking seriously. She looked presidential. Donald Trump, on the other hand,

0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.080
<v Speaker 15>you know, it was business as usual with him and Kamala.

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:10.240
<v Speaker 15>Harris keeps on using that phrase with Trump, business as usual,

0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.120
<v Speaker 15>And with Trump it was business as usual. He was arrogant,

0:49:13.160 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 15>he was adversarial, he was full of conflict, he was nasty.

0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 15>And I think that US public is somewhat tiring of

0:49:20.760 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 15>this sort of you know, tired old train of Trump.

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 15>The question about our next debate, you know, I think

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.280
<v Speaker 15>it doesn't really work in Trump's favor. He's proven himself

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:34.239
<v Speaker 15>unable to evolve, and if we have another spectacle like this,

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.800
<v Speaker 15>I think it would really begin to hurt him.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Trump is a known quantity though people know what

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:43.160
<v Speaker 3>he's like as president, they know what his record is,

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 3>and you know, I agree with you that Kamala did

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:50.239
<v Speaker 3>present very well, but she didn't give any answers for

0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.000
<v Speaker 3>the key concerns that people have about her, you know,

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 3>her border policy for one, and also the cost of

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:59.120
<v Speaker 3>living crisis at the moment that's gripping the United States

0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:01.520
<v Speaker 3>States as it is in Australia as well. All Right,

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 3>David Kaufman, great to have you join us, and that's

0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:06.799
<v Speaker 3>it for me. Thank you everyone for your company this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll see you Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now he's Paul Murray