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Speaker 1: When Magic Raft begin on Fox League.

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Speaker 2: Oh my man, every game live and add three.

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Speaker 3: To believe it.

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Speaker 1: Look at that blood who.

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Speaker 2: Tread check shirt?

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Speaker 4: Folks, Welcome to an old three sixty years a league

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Speaker 4: from every angle watch you buy NIV Joining me again

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Speaker 4: James Graham, Gordon Tallas and Buzz Rothfield.

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Speaker 3: Boys.

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Speaker 4: We've got a big show coming up. We've got a

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Speaker 4: big weekend to Magic round every game. The only place

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Speaker 4: you can see it is right here, Live and ad

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Speaker 4: break Free.

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Speaker 1: Must be looking forward to this weekend, guys, Yeah really,

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Speaker 1: Unbread headlined by the Sharks be the Roosters on Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I think for me the Major Crown I was part

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Speaker 1: of the initial Magic ground over in England and I

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Speaker 1: absolutely love it. It's a fantastic occasion for the fan.

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Speaker 1: Obviously lots of groups will go up there and celebrate,

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Speaker 1: but for me, it's a great opportunity for any fan

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Speaker 1: that attends the game to single out a player and

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Speaker 1: watch exactly what they do. As fans, we're naturally attracted

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Speaker 1: to the ball and we bore watch and we see

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Speaker 1: where the players. But anyone that's going on there that

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Speaker 1: wants to be a student of the game, that's got

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Speaker 1: aspirations to play in our game. Any coaches just go

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Speaker 1: and watch an individual player and see what it takes

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Speaker 1: to play an individual position.

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Speaker 5: Well in Queensland, now we've got four teams, but they

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Speaker 5: have every team up in queens and I know that

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Speaker 5: we look forward to it every year. They're starting to

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Speaker 5: build up around sun Cup Stadium already, the trucks are arriving,

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Speaker 5: the flags are going up.

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Speaker 3: So it's one of our favorite weekends.

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Speaker 6: It's a message event for Brisbane tourism and it's not whining.

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Speaker 6: I thought, we'll give them two to three years and

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Speaker 6: then do we look at Melbourne, Do we look at Adelaide,

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Speaker 6: do we look at Sydney? But at Brisbane they keep

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Speaker 6: coming back and it's a wonderful opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Different people have a weekend away and watch it.

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Speaker 1: Games, have a couple of beers.

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Speaker 6: Buzz Absolutely, mate, I'm on the tools made I'm working.

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Speaker 3: I'm working, you're working.

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Speaker 1: I'll be up there working.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let's get to the next to the start of

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Speaker 4: the show. It really is a crisis for the Blues. Injuries,

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Speaker 4: Tom Travoyevich, Nathan Cleary, two of the big guns for

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Speaker 4: the Blues going down just in time for Origin. It

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Speaker 4: is shocking. For New South Wales not good. They're not

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Speaker 4: good for their teams, their respective teams as well. This

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Speaker 4: was really hard to watch over the weekend, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: I hate it.

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Speaker 6: I hate seeing champions limp off like that in despair

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Speaker 6: and they both now got a history, probably Turbo worse

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Speaker 6: than Nathan.

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Speaker 3: Mate. I just don't like it.

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Speaker 6: And again, even a magic round, we don't get to

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Speaker 6: see them. And I love Cornalo as you know, but

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Speaker 6: I switch on the TV to watch clear end Turbo.

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Speaker 6: Wherever they playing, it doesn't matter. And for Origin it's

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Speaker 6: a massive blow for the Blues.

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Speaker 3: Did you have the same feeling when Ponger limped off?

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Speaker 3: I did, Tina to an extent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's your point Queensland lost players?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like we lose players to Nathan Nathan what You're

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Speaker 5: going to Philly spot with Mitchell Moses. You're going to

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Speaker 5: fill it with Mitchell Moses, who's absolutely unbelievable, great kicking game.

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Speaker 5: And Tommy Turbo when plays on South Wales, you pick

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Speaker 5: him out of position. He doesn't even play number one,

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Speaker 5: he plays number three.

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Speaker 3: Or I do think this is a Blues tactic to.

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Speaker 1: Feel you feel make your team best.

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Speaker 3: You can't make the best.

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Speaker 5: Played in Game three last year was absolutely out saying

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Speaker 5: you've got stags, you got Crichton, You've got so many.

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Speaker 3: There's no replacement for You've got Zack Lomax. That's kind

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Speaker 3: of no replacements.

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Speaker 5: And it's Queensland favorites this year. Never monsters make he's

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Speaker 5: got what a bad groin heat play last week? You know,

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Speaker 5: I no Flegler. The game's on.

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Speaker 1: The Queensland has had to be favorites now Nathan pick

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Speaker 1: my side.

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Speaker 3: Next segment there look on Queensland our favorites.

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Speaker 6: When Clearly and Turbo went down, the tab had New

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Speaker 6: South Wales as a dollar eighting.

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Speaker 1: They're up to.

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Speaker 3: Two twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Influential listening Nathan Cleary. His influence on any game of

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Speaker 1: football is that. And obviously New South Wales with the

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Speaker 1: injuries that they've got in their backup halves as well,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look good for them. But I think, just

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Speaker 1: on a personal level for Nathan Cleary, unfairly, I believe

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Speaker 1: the one shot that people have a Nathan Cleary, this

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Speaker 1: champion half back, is that he's never dominated origin. I

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Speaker 1: don't agree with that. And to see the opportunity rob

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Speaker 1: from him is really disappointing. He missed a large chunk

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Speaker 1: of last year's State of Origin as well, so we

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Speaker 1: didn't get the chance to dominate there, and I just

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Speaker 1: really feel for this potential. You know, who knows what

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Speaker 1: he could become in terms of the future of the game.

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Speaker 3: It's Penless best Chance's best chance to go.

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Speaker 1: No one else je that.

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Speaker 6: That's a really good comment because I've argued and argue

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Speaker 6: and argue that this guy should be alongside John's and

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Speaker 6: in the salary cap era.

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Speaker 1: But you're right.

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Speaker 3: People keep saying he hasn't done on the Origin starf.

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Speaker 1: And it just looks well, he hasn't. To be fair,

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Speaker 1: that's the question. I love him a legend, and what he's.

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Speaker 3: Been Evans outplays him like.

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Speaker 5: The sad part is Nathan clear is he's won three

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Speaker 5: three Premierships in a row and no one will ever

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Speaker 5: take that from him. It's gone down a history books.

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Speaker 5: Is he one of the best players of his era? Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Has he dominated State of Origin like Thurston, like Lockier,

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Speaker 1: He hasn't gone. No, believe he will. I believe he will.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 4: There has been a lot of injuries and I've been

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Speaker 4: asked to put my team up for the new South fALS. Listen,

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Speaker 4: it's a couple of weeks early, but I've given it

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Speaker 4: with Tedesco. I know that Edwards if he made it,

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Speaker 4: I'd be very happy, and he's been outstanding leading the

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Speaker 4: Best now. Best is the incumbent center and played great

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Speaker 4: I love his power and his ability to bring the

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Speaker 4: I think will be invaluable. Heines is another one that

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Speaker 4: I'm going with for the time being, and I thought

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Speaker 4: there in five eight the partner moses obviously with the

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Speaker 4: injuries there, these two I think are the best right now.

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Speaker 4: Paynehass chorus our Chaboevitch is a must and we know why.

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Speaker 4: And Leam Martin the same now angers Krichton. I've gone

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Speaker 4: Martin on the right angus. He's in great form. You know,

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks. I believe to be selected, but he

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Speaker 4: deserves it right now, ye know. And then this is

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Speaker 4: a tough one too. Mckinnis on the bench. I think

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Speaker 4: mckinnis he is like a rock in the middle. He

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Speaker 4: makes his tackles. He can play a number of positions,

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Speaker 4: but I feel like he'd suit origin. He'll get the

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Speaker 4: job done and he's tough. He's tough and resilient. Oli

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Speaker 4: Kuat who brings a bit of variety off the bench.

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Speaker 4: He's being size, speed and agility as well. For how

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Speaker 4: big is Barnett's the big one there. I think he's

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Speaker 4: earned the right. Yes, the Warriors are struggling at the moment.

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Speaker 4: But that's not true his fault and I think he

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Speaker 4: deserves that right and lean you returninges. So I think

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Speaker 4: just Leny's built for origin coming off the bench. He's

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Speaker 4: got that power. Now I've got Burton as ah men

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Speaker 4: because I'm got to film. They may pick him, and

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Speaker 4: you could pick him in a number of positions. They

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Speaker 4: may go for him in the centers. They could up

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Speaker 4: with him at five to eight or on the bench

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Speaker 4: if instead of mckinnis. But that's the seam I come

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Speaker 4: up with bars Can because.

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Speaker 6: No, I don't I actually like the side you picked

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Speaker 6: Joseph on the.

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Speaker 1: Wing, Okay, why I.

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Speaker 6: Think we need to pick players who are absolutely committed

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Speaker 6: long term, will die for the New South Wales sky

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Speaker 6: blue jersey. Joseph, can I hold on? Can I say,

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Speaker 6: Joseph Sali? His dream is to wear a Wallaby jersey

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Speaker 6: or a new South Wales. He has made a decision.

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Speaker 6: He has made a decision.

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Speaker 4: His dream has never been to put a blue jersey.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that exactly, but you can't speak for him.

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Speaker 3: Well he wants a Wallaby jersey? Does he wants? He's

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Speaker 3: leaving the game if we don't have.

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Speaker 6: Reasons to finish Josh had Car this could take a while,

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Speaker 6: right or the form winger in the camp Zach Lomax

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Speaker 1: Now we have have no problem with either of them.

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Speaker 1: But I would go with Swala first, that's all. And

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I don't think you do need to look

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Speaker 1: at the future and people that want to be in

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Speaker 1: our game. Michael McGuire needs to pick a team to

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Speaker 1: win a game in Sydney for game one, that's all

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Speaker 1: his objective. He picks for now. What's going to happen

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Speaker 1: at the end of the year is relevant under so

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Speaker 1: much pressure.

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Speaker 6: Listening to Queenslanders tell us what the Maroon's jersey means

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Speaker 6: to that state and how there's more passion that it's.

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Speaker 3: Bigger than the sky blue jersey. Right.

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Speaker 6: I want players committed to New South Wales, not the

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Speaker 6: Wallabies next my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's community that jersey.

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Speaker 3: You haven't spoken, it wouldn't have jumps.

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Speaker 1: That's that's that's not true at all.

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Speaker 5: What did you jump because you've got more money because

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Speaker 5: he doesn't want to play for yourself.

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Speaker 1: Also, if you look at the predicament that Michael maguire

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Speaker 1: is in Gordon spoke about some of the middle forwards

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Speaker 1: that are missing for Queensland. So look, part of constructing

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Speaker 1: a game plan is about playing to your strength, but

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Speaker 1: also looking at how to defeat the opposition. Now, how

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Speaker 1: to defeat the opposition might be looking at some of

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Speaker 1: their perceived and he used this word weaknesses. You said

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Speaker 1: it not me perceived weaknesses and that maybe through the

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Speaker 1: middle because they're missing Flaggler and they're missing Tina. So

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Speaker 1: if you use if you use the big winger like

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Speaker 1: a he he's going to try. He's going to take

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Speaker 1: the ball through the middle of the field harder.

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Speaker 3: And more difficult, can bring the football back, not.

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Speaker 1: As strongly as surely he No, I don't.

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Speaker 6: Agree, and he's playing ordinary, so just keep the numbers.

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Speaker 1: So we'll look at the Dalian team.

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Speaker 6: Of the week, the pick the side on form and

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Speaker 3: Everyone watching this show will agree with me.

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Speaker 1: Part I agree much perhaps is but to do the

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Speaker 1: job that's in front of Mike Maguire and the new

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Speaker 1: South Wales state of origin. It's not about picking team

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Speaker 1: of the year. I know that you just said that

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Speaker 3: It as a small part of.

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Speaker 1: My also points in terms of it's easiest.

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Speaker 6: I used it as part of my argument to explain

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Speaker 6: what great form he has been in for guy he

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Speaker 6: didn't want to be in the wing and he's committed

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Speaker 6: to rugby league. SOA's Josh hadow Carr who has got

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Speaker 6: the job done for New South Wales so many times

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Speaker 6: in the past. When he last played for Australia on

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Speaker 6: the Kangaroo tour on the World Cup, he was the

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Speaker 6: Kangaroo Player of the tournament. He's a very good footballer.

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Speaker 6: He's making the most of every opportunity at cannab.

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Speaker 1: That would be great there.

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Speaker 4: And so Josh picked because I can imagine him bringing

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Speaker 4: that ball back with great power, quick play the balls,

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Speaker 3: And he's an aggressive case.

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Speaker 4: He's got he's got that tenacious aggressive Uh.

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Speaker 3: And what do we do next year? Might go to

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Speaker 3: one of the guys.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about.

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Speaker 3: We're playing against the British lines.

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Speaker 4: Good on, let's move on about half so that this

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Speaker 4: is really the big one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's not many.

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Speaker 5: Options, right, So Moses is back this week from all imports,

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Speaker 5: is he or there's a chance he's playing. There's a chance,

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Speaker 5: and I think Nicko Heines deserves a chance, like I

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Speaker 5: really do.

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Speaker 3: So everybody was up in arms. He's got that opportunity.

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Speaker 5: When Monthster skipped across and hit Taboy for he made

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Speaker 5: he run past. Clearly he run a past a few players.

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Speaker 5: Nico got the blame for that. If you want to

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Speaker 5: pick was he Dullian player of the year.

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Speaker 6: Made, I'm too scared. I'm just going to nod from

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Speaker 5: But like the origin generally is for big bodies that

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Speaker 5: do the job, you normally pick them because it is

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Speaker 5: a beast out there. So I think Nico Heines Caronal

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Speaker 5: is on top of the table. You think he's full

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Speaker 5: of confidence, if he's Calf's right, You think you give him.

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Speaker 3: The first credit. You would think, unless.

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Speaker 4: So because some of the suggested to pick him in

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Speaker 4: the seventh position. If he played seven, who would you

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Speaker 4: put six?

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Speaker 6: I would have low I there only that he's had

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Speaker 6: a full season of forty, where Moses is a little

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Speaker 1: I just wonder how much Michael Maguire's decision on his

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Speaker 1: spine players will be affected by the loss of Nathan Cleary.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of the tedesco versus Edwards debate, does

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Speaker 1: he go with experience heines versus lou Eye. Does he

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Speaker 1: pick players that have been there before because they have

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Speaker 1: had such a disastrous news with spine players in terms

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Speaker 1: of injury? Does he pick players does he you know,

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Speaker 1: people who he may have picked to be with Nathan

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Speaker 1: as opposed to now people with more experience. It's a

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Speaker 1: big day lemmath for Marker mcguayh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And I respect what you said there, but I

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Speaker 6: think the fallback debate and I views almost I think

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Speaker 6: Teddy in the last three weeks has been outstanding since

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Speaker 6: coming back. And I don't even regard at a topic

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Speaker 3: Guys, well, there's a lot of noise about it.

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Speaker 1: There is, and rightly so. In terms of the form

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's a great play and it's unfortunately he's

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Speaker 4: said earlier, if he was to be picked, I'd be

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Speaker 4: okay with that. Now let's move on to there is

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Speaker 4: another team that New South Fars are playing against Gordy Queen.

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Speaker 5: Yes, obviously response you know, like he's made a lot

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Speaker 5: of mistakes at the moment, but because he's trying so much.

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Speaker 5: Xavier Coach, I think he's back in the next couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks. Cobbo goes back to the wing. I know

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Speaker 5: he's playing Santa's Bell Holmes and tabriy Fda. I think

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Speaker 5: there's a few guys that haven't had a lot of

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Speaker 5: In Queensland Jerseys As that's what we've always picked. Monster

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Speaker 5: and Cherry Evans picked themselves. Lindsay Collins with no ten

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Speaker 5: o fleg it's really important. With the front row mofood

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Speaker 5: Awacer was absolutely outstanding, is they I think it was

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Speaker 5: twelve carries in the first half for like one hundred

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Speaker 5: guys like Maxpoth, the's a few that are pushing like

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Speaker 5: There's a few guys that are around cafusies around like

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Speaker 5: they're just sort of around.

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Speaker 3: But if they went with that, I think that's what

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Speaker 3: I can get it. It's a strong term.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Varr's thoughts on this Tay you want to pick.

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Speaker 6: Up half from No, I can't pick that turn apart.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a good side and it shows why

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Speaker 6: the tav had Queensland favorites. It's a very settled lineup.

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Speaker 6: A couple of boys there are the hammer in the four.

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Speaker 6: Jersey hasn't played a lot of forty everyone else has.

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Speaker 6: You're right, Welsh hasn't been going enormous, but just a superstart.

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Speaker 3: I like that side.

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Speaker 1: First choice spine. That's your first choice spine right there.

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Speaker 1: From week one of the season. Coach Billy Slater, if

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Speaker 1: he had his dream spine everybody fit and firing, that's

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Speaker 1: the one he picks. And obviously with Hunt and Hunt

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Speaker 1: and Grant, I know that they swapping whoever starts, but

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Speaker 1: they'll play similar minutes. You know.

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Speaker 3: It already depends how the game's going.

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Speaker 5: And like Lindsay Collins like, yeah, it's probably time for

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Speaker 5: him to own the forward pack. You would think he's

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Speaker 5: got a big responsibility doesn't especially but with no Gilbert

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Speaker 3: To put that one down to you guys. We've got

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Speaker 1: Easy for coins. Yeah you got it in the bag.

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Speaker 1: Gordy favorite one nil coins New South Wales. They'll be

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Speaker 1: saying it's the worst of a New South Wales.

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Speaker 3: Where still count his money dog no worst seven quaincidence.

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Speaker 1: Right, we'll be talking about this for a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks now.

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Speaker 4: Colla ended a nine game losing streak in amy Park

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Speaker 4: Banks in part to Harry Grant's controversial sin binning before halftime.

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Speaker 1: He is how it all unfolded.

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Speaker 7: The float for Monstar the flat bull is.

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Speaker 1: A figure for you t and it's Raemas Smith who.

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Speaker 2: Stores well cam Munster had sat back and what this

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Speaker 2: game up?

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Speaker 1: Fut it's the Storm twelve Romelas six Atkinson we got

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Speaker 7: This has become a real miste owner in the game

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Speaker 7: that that ain't like.

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Speaker 3: Record.

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Speaker 1: That look from Harry Grant tells you everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know.

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Speaker 7: That a little week from Daniel Atkinson used to play

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Speaker 7: for Melbourne's Storm.

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Speaker 3: I think Michael, now.

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Speaker 1: We have the definitive line in the sand.

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Speaker 3: That's it now.

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Speaker 7: Any contact as middling as it's seen, whether you like

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Speaker 7: it or not, yea, that is now game. We've seen

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Speaker 7: the danger with it big down the middle, so girl

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Speaker 7: ball and this game has completely changed complex.

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Speaker 1: It's a terrific catch.

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Speaker 2: Climatala that he got a lie.

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Speaker 1: He burned Welsh then.

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Speaker 2: He goes as surely gotta claim a massive scale.

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Speaker 1: This is sub night for the Cronulla Sharks.

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Speaker 4: That was a turning point thanks to Ashley and Martin

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Speaker 4: medical hair centers and the debate rages over that sin

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Speaker 4: bin to Harry Grant up against the Caronla Sharks. Atkinson

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Speaker 4: puts the kick in, Harry Grant comes across, makes contact

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Speaker 4: with the leg and he's given ten minutes in the bin,

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Speaker 4: which was significant at the time term in the context

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your opinion on this one.

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Speaker 6: I'll open the batting here. I'm all for foul play policing.

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Speaker 6: That was the most pathetic sin binning I've ever seen

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Speaker 3: It really was. I've got stats to back it up.

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Speaker 6: There have been eleven incidents this year where players charging

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Speaker 6: down kickers have come into contact with the kickers legs.

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Speaker 3: Two of those eleven have gone to the sin bin.

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Speaker 6: That one was possibly a penalty, possibly a penalty.

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Speaker 3: I would have been happy. I would have been happy

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Speaker 3: if they'd let the game go.

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Speaker 6: But to have two senior referees, g Adam g in

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Speaker 6: the box and the other fella grad Atkins on the

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Speaker 6: asking people television, so.

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Speaker 5: Let's ask someone they kicked the ball. I think they're

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Speaker 5: trying to make it black and white. They can't talk

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Speaker 5: about I realize that, but they're trying to say you

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Speaker 5: are not allowed to come in contact with the leagus.

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Speaker 5: Whether it's a sin binning or not. If it's consistent,

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Speaker 5: the fans will move on with it. I don't think

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Speaker 5: it's a sind in, but it's where the game wants

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Speaker 1: And first and foremost, I think it's embarrassing.

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Speaker 4: I think for our game to send Harry Grean off

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Speaker 4: and this was worse and there wasn't even a penalty, right,

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Speaker 4: Nick Romi goes straight to the league and that's a

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Speaker 4: match winning play. If he gets a penalty there, they

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Speaker 4: win the game. Here the Cowboys takes.

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Speaker 3: Out his let.

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Speaker 4: He's training to his league, right, but just let me

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Speaker 4: finish you quickly. So it's an embarrassing call. I understand

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Speaker 4: what the anerl are trying to do. They're trying to

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Speaker 4: protect the players. I mean, I look, everyone knows to

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Speaker 4: look after lockey liss. He snapped his league in half.

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Speaker 4: Similar not not well, it was a lot worse than that,

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Speaker 4: but I know the severity of what can happen, and

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Speaker 4: it right, we've got to protect our kickers. But there's

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Speaker 4: common sense, and there's got to be consistency. There's no consistency,

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Speaker 4: like Buzz just said, and we've seen, like you said,

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Speaker 4: nine other incidences where players have not even barely been penalized.

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Speaker 4: They are only given ten in the bin. Harry barely

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Speaker 4: touched his leg. It was just a reaction of Atkinson,

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Speaker 4: which you can't blame you because the players are doing it,

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Speaker 4: but it's common sense.

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Speaker 1: Do we have any common sense?

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Speaker 5: I get it, but there can't be because as soon

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Speaker 5: as there is, players bend the rules and they milk it.

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Speaker 1: But I think there is. So for me, this protection

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Speaker 1: I think that should be outlaw. I've made that mistake

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Speaker 1: in doing that myself, attacking where the ball will be

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Speaker 1: and taking the legs of the kicker that lately so

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Speaker 1: should be gone. But if you actually look at that,

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Speaker 1: Harry Grant doesn't go anywhere near the legs. He actually

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Speaker 1: actually occupies the space and where the foot of Atkinson goes.

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Speaker 1: In no way is this file play. I'm delighted that

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Speaker 1: Harry Grant Melbourne Storm easy to take.

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Speaker 6: Cup yesterday Brad Schneider, the Penrith deputy who will be

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Speaker 6: which they need now too, yeah, which he was.

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Speaker 3: Charged down, but here it is here, I think.

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Speaker 1: So there you see, that's that's bad. That's bad if

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Speaker 1: you attack the legs of the kicker.

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Speaker 6: And you know what I do when you get the

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Speaker 6: lockey ilias Brad Schneider incident, I give him a six

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Speaker 6: to eight week band.

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Speaker 3: I would come down very very heavy on But what

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Speaker 3: mentions the game brought on himself?

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Speaker 5: Because they would just come and everybody would just hit

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Speaker 5: the kicker every time they kicked that they'd come and

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Speaker 5: put the kicker on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Didn't you. I'm pretty sure you were trained.

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Speaker 1: To put kick pressure on from the inside, but no

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Speaker 1: attack the legs.

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Speaker 5: And they kept on hitting the kicker, hitting the kicker,

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Speaker 5: and it started getting late. They went no, So then

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Speaker 5: they've started going at the lead. So do the players

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Speaker 5: bring this on themselves? Because because none of them like

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Speaker 5: it when it happens to their own number seven, they

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Speaker 5: all come in and push and grab their handbags and starts.

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Speaker 1: If you can see the intent for someone so like

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Speaker 1: that example that you can see there's no that they

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Speaker 1: go towards the kicker and it's clear that they're in

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Speaker 1: that line of sight. But if you just go like

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Speaker 1: Harry Grant did and you don't attack the legs, then

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Speaker 1: that shouldn't be a.

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Speaker 3: Penalty, putting any danger at all.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and he didn't.

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Speaker 5: He could Almostry Grant could make it look like an accident,

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Speaker 5: exactly advocate.

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Speaker 4: They can all done in and look away. I generally

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Speaker 4: they can make stronger content. It happens a lot. But

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Speaker 4: I don't even think Harry was even trying to.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't think Harry was. I think it's I think

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Speaker 3: it was a poor decision the other.

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Speaker 5: But if you leave it into the player's hands and

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Speaker 5: you come back with common sense, they'll just starting a bit.

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Speaker 3: Hard, I think hard, and they will look away. They

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Speaker 3: will okay, So what's going to happen?

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Speaker 1: We will finish this off. What's going to happen next? Though?

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Speaker 1: Is it going to be black and white?

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Speaker 4: Is it going to be if you touch a foot

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Speaker 4: of a kicker it's tending the dinner, or it's a penalty,

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Speaker 4: Like where are we going to go for me?

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Speaker 1: It's a very critical call what happens.

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Speaker 6: I think we can all live with black and white consistency.

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Speaker 6: And if josh Aloyer can get away and just the penalty,

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Speaker 6: Harry Grant can as well. If there's a bad one

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Speaker 6: like the two were soon New South Wales Cup, they

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Speaker 6: should be instant sand ups.

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Speaker 4: You can't used to drink water one either, because we

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Speaker 4: really want games being decided by things like that, to

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Speaker 4: drink quarter one in the area.

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Speaker 1: Do we want that given a penalty.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that was a penalty.

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Speaker 1: Do you want our fans to be watching games? I

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Speaker 1: think so.

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Speaker 6: Fans will tolerate if they're consistent, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think consider.

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Speaker 4: I brought the alloy one up a few weeks ago,

511
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Speaker 4: and I was disappointed that.

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Speaker 3: Johnson jump up and kick the goal.

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Speaker 4: That's what the players are doing now right, it's anyway, okay,

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Speaker 4: let's talk about this one. The slap in the face,

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Speaker 4: the slap on the face Bromage, Jesse bromige On Taborivitch,

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Speaker 4: there is what do we think of this?

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Speaker 5: One of the worst player the walls I've ever seen

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Speaker 5: for a top one. By the way, he might have

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Speaker 5: been concussed.

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Speaker 3: On hope.

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Speaker 1: This is wrong on so many levels, so many levels,

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Speaker 1: and I will save the most important one of why

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Speaker 1: this is wrong to the end. So the first challenge

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Speaker 1: is they challenge the decision of a knock on. So

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Speaker 1: they go and check that Tommy Taboyovitch knocks the ball on.

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Speaker 1: There is no interference then they start to look, has

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Speaker 1: there been a disruptor? We go nitpicking?

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Speaker 3: Has been a disruptor?

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Speaker 1: No? Then they look at high contact. Okay, has there

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Speaker 1: been high contact?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Well yes, but you go back and watch any game

533
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Speaker 1: of rugby league and almost examine every single rule and

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Speaker 1: tell me if there is isn't high if you what

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Speaker 1: could be defined that high contact? But here's why this

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Speaker 1: is wrong. So players milking things one of the big

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Speaker 1: bug bearers. So now if I'm going into a tackle

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Speaker 1: and we're seeing you know when players get clipped around

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Speaker 1: the jaw or around the neck and they know they'll

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Speaker 1: hear me out good if they stay down, we don't

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Speaker 1: like it. And they wait and they play that game

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Speaker 1: of cat and mouse with the bunker. They don't get

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Speaker 1: the call. They're waiting, they're waiting. You know what I

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Speaker 1: tell my players to do. Now, just drop the ball,

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Speaker 1: knock on. I'm going to challenge that, sir or man, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we get to check out with the video re f.

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Speaker 1: It goes to get challenged. Have there's contact been made?

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Speaker 1: I get remember, I get the decision. You can't encourage

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Speaker 1: this behavior.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's got to be black and white.

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Speaker 1: You can't encourage that, because players now if they feel

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Speaker 1: like they've been clipped, will purposely just dropped the ball

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Speaker 1: and then challenge it.

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Speaker 6: But Jimmy, can't we just come back to common sense

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Speaker 6: we experienced people in them.

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Speaker 5: Because then you see the decisions two have been seeing

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Speaker 5: being anyone with common sense could say because common sense

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Speaker 5: buzz but it was yeah, but I'm talking about it

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Speaker 5: is falling or whatever, and there is Harry's got to

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Speaker 5: go to the bin and we don't like.

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Speaker 1: His hands, decision, Brum's hand. It's almost a hit level.

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Speaker 1: It's wrong on so many levels. Don't be surprised to

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Speaker 1: see coaches encourage their players after they've had the faintest

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Speaker 1: of touch to the head or neck, not take a dive,

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Speaker 1: just drop the ball.

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Speaker 4: We're going to get to a break into sticking around

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Speaker 4: plenty more account and following in our three sixties, Captain

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Speaker 4: Tom Didn't sits down with Jake Duke in the latest

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Speaker 4: edition of Face to Face