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Speaker 2: I'm Mickie Fisher and welcome to the Village Crazy Lady.
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Speaker 2: the Village Crazy Lay Podcast. Hello, gorgeous legends, and welcome
Speaker 2: to another episode of the Village Crazy Lady. I am extremely,
Speaker 2: extremely excited about today's guest and today's podcast episode. It
Speaker 2: kind of feels a bit full circle as well, because
Speaker 2: this beautiful guest that I've got on today kind of
Speaker 2: popped into my life randomly over a year ago, and
Speaker 2: I actually went on her podcast and it was like
Speaker 2: a terrifying, incredible, wild moment for me as much as
Speaker 2: it was for her as well. And of course I'm
Speaker 2: talking about the beautiful Zoe Marshall. Hello, beautiful.
Speaker 1: I hope it wasn't terrifying for you. I like, was it?
Speaker 1: Was it? Your first one? Talk to me about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to interview you right now.
Speaker 1: Got that I slip.
Speaker 2: I can't help it. Yeah, Like that was literally not
Speaker 2: my first podcast, but you did break my home and
Speaker 2: in regards to channeling, like doing a reading on a podcast,
Speaker 2: and that was like that felt this like the scariest
Speaker 2: thing in the whole wide world. I feel like it
Speaker 2: was at a really transformative time for you, and it's
Speaker 2: so beautiful to see you over a year later, and
Speaker 2: it's like I actually just got goosebumps because it really
Speaker 2: you've gone from the deep to arise, and like there's
Speaker 2: so much in that. I said to you the other
Speaker 2: night that like you're you are literally a phoenix, and
Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk about this beautiful, incredible course and
Speaker 2: kind of like it's so much more than that that
Speaker 2: you've created around manifestation and not in just the like
Speaker 2: here's how you manifest, here are the five steps and
Speaker 2: you just imagine it. Like I'm so excited to hear
Speaker 2: how you got how you went from the deep to arise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful question. So I remember when I spoke to you,
Speaker 1: I was kind of in the midst of a existential crisis.
Speaker 1: I had been so overworked as a content creator on
Speaker 1: social media as well as sitting in vicarious trauma on
Speaker 1: a lot of those deep episodes. I could never separate
Speaker 1: myself from the guests, and their traumas range from you know,
Speaker 1: severe child sexual abuse to mass murders to ah, there
Speaker 1: were aliens. I mean like, there was such a various range,
Speaker 1: but essentially it was trauma and resilience based. And when
Speaker 1: I saw you, I was in a really terrible spot.
Speaker 1: I had become so numb with my life. I had
Speaker 1: had a recent health scare, I'd found a lump in
Speaker 1: my breast, and we'd had a flood in our house,
Speaker 1: And instead of processing those feelings healthily, I decided to
Speaker 1: overwork and going to safety seeking behavior of making money
Speaker 1: to feel safe. And the more I worked, the more
Speaker 1: disconnected I got, and the more disconnected I got, the
Speaker 1: more numb I got, and the more numb I got,
Speaker 1: I just didn't even understand what life meant. And I
Speaker 1: wasn't suicidal, but I was definitely like I was asking
Speaker 1: my husband, are you happy? How do you feel? Do
Speaker 1: you feel purposeful? Are you like in this in this loop?
Speaker 1: Are you feeling.
Speaker 2: Ugh? Like?
Speaker 1: Is this it? And he was like, in fact, I've
Speaker 1: never been happier ever with my family, with my life,
Speaker 1: with my career, with my purpose I'm very worried about you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to ship you off to a place called
Speaker 1: Eden Health Retreat with one of your oldest friends, and
Speaker 1: you're going to figure this out. And I was just
Speaker 1: there so angry, so angry, like I remember just being
Speaker 1: like a petulant little child, like with the room they
Speaker 1: gave me. I hated it. It was disgusting and it
Speaker 1: was just a word. I was in the worst space.
Speaker 1: And I had a beautiful nervous system reset session where
Speaker 1: I had a breakdown and a breakthrough, and it truly
Speaker 1: was the healing I needed to get where I am today.
Speaker 1: But you're right, it's like full it's a full year
Speaker 1: to her arrived here. You know, I had to get
Speaker 1: to the point where I was. I got back from
Speaker 1: that retreat and I shut down and walked half the team,
Speaker 1: and then I was like it took me another you know,
Speaker 1: six months to really go. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: more of this I can do with social media. I
Speaker 1: think we have to change that. And then it took
Speaker 1: me another few months to be like, Okay, we're not
Speaker 1: doing the deep anymore. Like I felt as such a
Speaker 1: commitment to the listeners, like they're so cult like They're
Speaker 1: so obsessed and so supportive, and I was like, fuck, like,
Speaker 1: how do I just not make this? It felt like
Speaker 1: my service to the world to be able to share
Speaker 1: these stories. And then I had this kind of epiphany
Speaker 1: to hold this manifestation workshop really slap dash over three months,
Speaker 1: one session a month with one of my coaches over
Speaker 1: the years, and it just went so wild, like sold
Speaker 1: out like bananas, and I was like, I recorded another
Speaker 1: episode of The Deep that week, and it hit me
Speaker 1: in the gut and I was like, this feels so awful.
Speaker 1: I'm teaching people how to be in true alignment and
Speaker 1: feel good all the time because they are magnetic to
Speaker 1: more good things. Yet every week I am bringing in
Speaker 1: someone else's trauma and I don't have the ability to
Speaker 1: have space. So I felt like what I was teaching
Speaker 1: with this manifestation workshop and what I was living was
Speaker 1: not aligned. So it was that day, in that moment,
Speaker 1: I was like, I won't do this anymore. It was
Speaker 1: very second. Yeah, so long story shot. I mean I
Speaker 1: answered that in like six minutes. No, that's.
Speaker 2: You can take twenty she monologues.
Speaker 1: Listening.
Speaker 2: I was here for it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, So it wasn't like the deep was this slow,
Speaker 1: you know, it's been I wouldn't say it's an end,
Speaker 1: It's totally an evolution. Like I think you need the
Speaker 1: deep to arise, like quite literally, yes, right, And I
Speaker 1: think the difference between what I teach and what others
Speaker 1: teach is that arise manifestation has been misunderstood and I
Speaker 1: think accessed only by the privileged, yes, you know. And
Speaker 1: now I feel like, because I've sat with the most
Speaker 1: horrendous stories and people of you know, across a spectrum,
Speaker 1: I go, everybody needs to be able to access this work,
Speaker 1: not just people that are white, affluent and bored.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, this needs to be accessible to if you
Speaker 1: were seriously at rock bottom and you're not okay, because
Speaker 1: that's how I started. And so I think that's where
Speaker 1: this whole thing was born from and literally arise, meaning
Speaker 1: the practical definition of a rizing.
Speaker 2: It's so interesting to me because like obviously there's I
Speaker 2: guess when I imagine the deep, and when you talk
Speaker 2: about how you it's like you you went so deep
Speaker 2: into people's stories and so deep into your own, and
Speaker 2: I think you've done so much, so much juicy deep
Speaker 2: work within yourself. And then also understanding it and seeing
Speaker 2: it within the realm of people outside of you. I
Speaker 2: always think to be able to have the capacity to
Speaker 2: go up, you also have to be able to hold
Speaker 2: the capacity to go down. And the further that you can,
Speaker 2: the deeper that you can go, the higher up that
Speaker 2: you can arise as well, because I think it just
Speaker 2: like really strengthens your I mean even like you know
Speaker 2: you're you're listening to people's story and within every single episode,
Speaker 2: in every single interview that you're doing, your capacity for
Speaker 2: compassion understanding of others is just growing so exponentially, And
Speaker 2: so I think, like when you were talking about this
Speaker 2: isn't just for the privilege. I think this is why
Speaker 2: you can really hold that space so well, because you've
Speaker 2: heard the story of so many Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: And I think it's really important that everything is accessible,
Speaker 1: like the education is accessible, the price point is accessible.
Speaker 1: That your emotional capacity or ability and understanding it's accessible.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? So it's not talking to somebody
Speaker 1: as if I have done all of the work and
Speaker 1: get all the nuances, like I'm meeting everybody where they're at.
Speaker 1: Like I think there's this real disservice that a lot
Speaker 1: of teachers in a spiritual space take you know, and
Speaker 1: they talk over people and above people, and it becomes
Speaker 1: intellectualized and egoic. And I think that that has been
Speaker 1: really important is this isn't just for the people that
Speaker 1: have heard the word manifestation. It's for the people that
Speaker 1: don't even know what this even is, has never seen it,
Speaker 1: never heard of it, like what a weird concept is?
Speaker 1: Like that is it's also for them? Yeah that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what is what is manifestation to you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, So I think let me give you the
Speaker 1: mainstream version first, which is I think there's a misconception
Speaker 1: that you ask for something and you wait for it
Speaker 1: to land in your lap. Yes, right, like, but that's
Speaker 1: actually called a wish. That's not manifestation. So I've kind
Speaker 1: of re named the word co creation because what it
Speaker 1: requires is for you to call in something and then
Speaker 1: take aligned action alongside the universe, God, Mother, nature of
Speaker 1: the angels, whoever, to co create this. So the energy
Speaker 1: that you're putting out by your mindset, there's all of
Speaker 1: these tools and techniques that we can get into, but
Speaker 1: using gratitude priming and then taking physical action is magnetic
Speaker 1: to the universe, but you need to be in the
Speaker 1: right vibration to attract the thing you're asking. And so
Speaker 1: if you're asking for a meaningful, loving relationship but you
Speaker 1: know internally that you really lack self worth or self love,
Speaker 1: or you have trust issues with your past partners because
Speaker 1: you witnessed your parents dynamic, or you've witnes something growing
Speaker 1: up that's a block. So you can't just wish for something,
Speaker 1: take the aligned action and then not address the blocks
Speaker 1: because the blocks are very informative to what's going on
Speaker 1: in your subconscious And then we go into the subconscious
Speaker 1: mind and we heal those blocks, and then we hand
Speaker 1: it over to trust. Then you land in what I
Speaker 1: call the abyss, which is when you've called it in.
Speaker 1: You've done all the work, but you're waiting for it
Speaker 1: to happen, and you're like, where the fuck is my thing?
Speaker 1: I've done all the work. And that's the trickiest part,
Speaker 1: right because that's deep, surrendered, deep trust knowing what is
Speaker 1: for you will find you. And then that can take
Speaker 1: depending on how big your manifestation is. I could take weeks,
Speaker 1: that could take months. So I've been doing this for
Speaker 1: twenty years and I'm still so deeply uncomfortable in the abyss,
Speaker 1: but it is the place in which you need to
Speaker 1: trust that the thing is coming for you. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like baking a cake, right, You put all the
Speaker 1: ingredients in and you mixed up. You put it in
Speaker 1: the oven, but then you keep opening the oven and
Speaker 1: pulling the cake out and pushing on the cake and
Speaker 1: mixing the cake, and then you put it back in.
Speaker 1: Then you pull it back out, then you put it
Speaker 1: back in, then you pull it like, let the cake bake.
Speaker 1: The time is going to go off. You've done everything
Speaker 1: you needed to do, and wait for the cake to
Speaker 1: arrive or arrive yes, right, And so I think that
Speaker 1: this whole process and then celebration is the final part,
Speaker 1: is truly celebrating that you did this thing. Every single person,
Speaker 1: no matter who you are, nor what matter your background,
Speaker 1: you have the ability to do this. So we always
Speaker 1: make it feel like a manifestation has to be a thing,
Speaker 1: a person, money, a job like outside of us. But
Speaker 1: sometimes people purely want to manifest ease, yes, yes, and
Speaker 1: and enjoy or connection, you know. So I think you
Speaker 1: have to really meet people where they're at.
Speaker 2: I remember, like many many years ago, when I was
Speaker 2: sort of first just like trying to dabble in the
Speaker 2: manifestation thing. And I did the you know, I watched
Speaker 2: the Secret, I read the book. I sat there like
Speaker 2: imagining the new car that I was going to be
Speaker 2: in all of those Like I did all of that,
Speaker 2: and I was like, where the fuck is my car?
Speaker 2: What am I manifesting? What is going on? And it's
Speaker 2: just so interesting, like this journey right that you just
Speaker 2: explained this, It's like you're having to be almost really
Speaker 2: honest with yourself more than anything, because you can sit
Speaker 2: there and you can say I deserve a new car.
Speaker 2: I deserve a new car. I deserve a new car,
Speaker 2: but you're subconscious, and like it's interesting we have like
Speaker 2: you know, we don't have a great connection with our subconscious,
Speaker 2: so we're not really listening to what it's really telling
Speaker 2: us or you know, as you said, where those blocks
Speaker 2: kind of are living. But like when you're really honest
Speaker 2: with yourself and it's like, well, do I really think
Speaker 2: that I'm worthy of that? Probably not, like if I'm
Speaker 2: being completely honest with myself, no, you know, and like
Speaker 2: meeting ourself in these places, like it's kind of the
Speaker 2: journey you've been on. You have to get deep to
Speaker 2: be able to actually figure out what it is that
Speaker 2: you deserve because there are these like these stories that
Speaker 2: live within us that we haven't even met yet because
Speaker 2: we try not to meet these parts of ourselves because
Speaker 2: they're not as likable, they're not as like comfortable. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier.
Speaker 1: It also has to be realistic, which is annoying for
Speaker 1: some people.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, So, say fifteen years ago, I really wanted to push, right,
Speaker 1: I just really really wanted to push. And at that point,
Speaker 1: I think I had a went from a ship box
Speaker 1: like Hey and I or something that broke down all
Speaker 1: the time that was like forty years old into a
Speaker 1: v dub Golf. For me, that was a real realistic
Speaker 1: step for where I was financially what I was doing.
Speaker 1: But that felt like a Porsche, right, and the way
Speaker 1: that I treated that car love that car felt abundant.
Speaker 1: In that car. The next car was like we had
Speaker 1: all these sponsored cars because of my husband's work. And
Speaker 1: then you're deeply grateful we don't even have to pay
Speaker 1: for a car, you know, because it came through that
Speaker 1: there's all these cars, right, And then there was a
Speaker 1: Mercedes and that felt great. And then I got my Porsche, right,
Speaker 1: I got my dream car that I would manifest every day,
Speaker 1: holding that steering well, seeing that symbol, doing that thing.
Speaker 1: And to be really honest, because I had evolved with
Speaker 1: how I felt and what I was, I thought that
Speaker 1: I could co create. It didn't feel too It felt
Speaker 1: really exciting and special to start, but it didn't feel
Speaker 1: so outside of me. Does that make sense? It felt
Speaker 1: because it was realistic. We've gotten to this point where
Speaker 1: you've leveled up, leveled up, leveled up, leveled up. But
Speaker 1: then now because I've just gone through this whole health
Speaker 1: scare thing again, you know, my husband wants a new
Speaker 1: Car's like, take my car. I'll get a little MG,
Speaker 1: a little yonda like, I don't care. I don't need
Speaker 1: the Porshe anymore. Right, what the push symbolized for me
Speaker 1: and myself worth fifteen years ago, when I was broken
Speaker 1: and you know, just got out of this horrific relationship
Speaker 1: and my mama died and my family betrayed me and
Speaker 1: all the things happened, A Porshe symbolized to me all
Speaker 1: the things that I wanted to be and do and have.
Speaker 1: Now I have the push, I don't need it. Give
Speaker 1: me any car like and give me anything like, I
Speaker 1: don't need things to make me feel worth anything anymore.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yes? Yeah, where do you like?
Speaker 2: I was actually about to ask this in regards to manifesting,
Speaker 2: I guess things first. Manifesting how you want to feel,
Speaker 2: how you want your life to look like, what are
Speaker 2: the things that like? What have you found in that
Speaker 2: have you manifest kind of like that story where it's
Speaker 2: like you got the Porsche, but then it was like
Speaker 2: more about what the Porsche represented. It's less about the
Speaker 2: thing itself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's it. It's never about the thing. It's
Speaker 1: always about the feeling. It's exactly the same thing what
Speaker 1: you think you want as in like a thing or
Speaker 1: money or people or a house or a job. You
Speaker 1: are looking for the feeling. So essentially it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: People just name it differently. We're always looking for a
Speaker 1: feeling like what it represents. Yeah. So so you might
Speaker 1: say I really really want a job opportunity, or I
Speaker 1: want a raise, or I want something to make me
Speaker 1: feel more affluent, but truly you just want to feel heard,
Speaker 1: respected and abundant. It's exactly the same thing. But you
Speaker 1: can focus on that job being the thing, like, it's
Speaker 1: the same edge. What do they call it, the same
Speaker 1: side of the coin or yeah, something like that, the
Speaker 1: same thing. It's the same thing. It's just exactly the
Speaker 1: same thing. So if the feeling, if you just want
Speaker 1: to feel joyful and happy and you know, of service
Speaker 1: and rich in all of the ways you could possibly
Speaker 1: feel that starts internally within you. The universe will meet
Speaker 1: you with opportunities, people, places, things fun like material stuff
Speaker 1: that mirror that feeling. But you're feeling that anyway. And
Speaker 1: I guess that's kind of the secret. Not the book,
Speaker 1: but the secret of all of this is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to feel that intrinsically in you at all times, right,
Speaker 1: And so when that moment comes up where you're like
Speaker 1: but you don't actually deserve that, you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: I understand that there's probably some you know, wiring here
Speaker 1: from zero to seven, seven to fourteen. Let's go in.
Speaker 1: Let's have a look, you know, and then we've got
Speaker 1: the work. We've got the inner child work that we
Speaker 1: can do. We've got the meditations, we've got all of that.
Speaker 1: You know, you've been in one of our workshops, you
Speaker 1: know that we hold in our community. We have all
Speaker 1: of these beautiful facilitators to get you into alignment and
Speaker 1: face your blocks and move through them in lots of
Speaker 1: different ways and tapping. You know, We've got all of
Speaker 1: these modalities that work, and it just has to be
Speaker 1: what works for you. You have to find your way
Speaker 1: through this.
Speaker 2: Yes, which I really love because I always think, like everyone,
Speaker 2: everyone has their different gateweight drug. Yes, true into themselves. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's what it really is, right. It's just like
Speaker 2: actually meeting yourself, being honest with yourself about what it
Speaker 2: is that you really want and why it is that
Speaker 2: you think that you can't have that, and then figuring
Speaker 2: out all the little different parts of you and the
Speaker 2: stories within that that are kind of stopping that.
Speaker 1: And it's really interesting because you know, it took me
Speaker 1: a long time, as I'm sure it did with you
Speaker 1: two to be public and to go Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to talk about co creation and manifestation. I have a
Speaker 1: media background, I have lots of peers in the industry.
Speaker 1: I don't care anymore. This is the truest thing for
Speaker 1: me and I have to share this with the world,
Speaker 1: and Australia is not ready but it never will be,
Speaker 1: so I'll get it to be ready. And I just
Speaker 1: did it, but for so long it stopped me because
Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, so what are my credentials, what are
Speaker 1: my I you know, what kind of evidence do I
Speaker 1: have to share and show? And then I was like,
Speaker 1: holy shit, my whole life is the evidence. Micky. You
Speaker 1: can pick one area of my life and be like
Speaker 1: house husband, this that work, and I'll be like it
Speaker 1: was a manifestation, you know, every single element. So I
Speaker 1: was like, now I'm not going to be scared anymore
Speaker 1: of skeptics and of people that don't want to know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I've got neuroscientists on board just for
Speaker 1: the skeptics by the way. Yeah, but I was like
Speaker 1: I have to do this because people need it, and
Speaker 1: it saved my life. Like and I know that sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: but not manifestation in the way that you know it
Speaker 1: with every modality and tool and technique around it, you know,
Speaker 1: deeply anchored in gratitude, deeply anchored in service, like all
Speaker 1: of this stuff. That's we don't see that as manifestation,
Speaker 1: but it truly is. You know, if you wanted to
Speaker 1: like give it one title and then it's a lifestyle.
Speaker 1: You don't just kind of dip in and out. It
Speaker 1: changes how you are in the world. It changes everything.
Speaker 2: I heard this thing the other day. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: if you've heard this, but I think you really like it.
Speaker 2: So the word manifestation in French and also a lot
Speaker 2: of other languages, is that is how they that's their
Speaker 2: word for kind of like protesting when they go out
Speaker 2: on the streets when they and they don't call it
Speaker 2: protesting it's like someone else it's like, but they call
Speaker 2: it manifestation because manifestation to them is I want to
Speaker 2: make change, We want things to happen, and so we're
Speaker 2: going to get out in the streets and make it happen.
Speaker 2: When I heard that, like, I've got full body shit,
Speaker 2: and yeah, like seeing that on a collective level though,
Speaker 2: like understanding that because often we think about manifestation and
Speaker 2: like for ourselves and of course, but I never even
Speaker 2: really thought about using it and seeing it in a
Speaker 2: collective way. And I was just like, that's fucking cool.
Speaker 1: And it makes sense, Like it just makes perfect sense.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about this is this isn't new. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this has been around before we were around like
Speaker 1: it just is. It's an energetic law, and so you
Speaker 1: either believe it or you don't, but it's working anyway.
Speaker 1: And that's why I was like, Okay, well, if it's happening,
Speaker 1: I want to get in on the good stuff, because
Speaker 1: we have the ability to create anything you want, but
Speaker 1: we're very confused by the laws and society's terms and
Speaker 1: what our parents did, Like it's all so confusing that
Speaker 1: we go there's got to be a better way. And
Speaker 1: then people, you know, I think that's why in COVID
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Manifestation was googled six hundred and sixty percent
Speaker 1: more than any other time, and that just goes up
Speaker 1: because I think people were finally at a point where
Speaker 1: they were like, isn't systeming? Who am I now? What
Speaker 1: can I do? What can I be? And so it
Speaker 1: was this incredible you have infinite possibility in this world.
Speaker 1: You know, that's so true. It's like it took the
Speaker 1: it took the veil away for all the people that
Speaker 1: were skeptical, and now everyone's in and you can hear it.
Speaker 1: You hear that word on the street, you hear it
Speaker 1: in shows, you're hearing it and you're like, Okay, great.
Speaker 1: So it's becoming more mainstream, but do people actually know.
Speaker 2: What to do, yes, and what it really means as well.
Speaker 2: I remember like speaking of the co creation of things
Speaker 2: and coming from I guess like a bit of a
Speaker 2: psychicy perspective, which of course that's what I'm here to do. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember this moment really clearly, and I think I've
Speaker 2: mentioned it on the podcast before that. I was literally
Speaker 2: in the kitchen just cooking one day and one of
Speaker 2: my kids went to put their hand near the stove
Speaker 2: and I was like, no, dulling, that is really hot,
Speaker 2: and they fought me about it. They were like, why
Speaker 2: can't I touch it? And I said, because it's hot,
Speaker 2: it will burn your fingers. And it got to this
Speaker 2: stage where eventually I just went, just trust me. I've
Speaker 2: been on this earth longer than you have. And my
Speaker 2: guides popped on in and they went, do you get that?
Speaker 2: Do you understand that it's a really similar thing? And
Speaker 2: they basically showed to me in that moment that our
Speaker 2: relationship with saw, Spirit, God, universe, guides, all of the above,
Speaker 2: and us is really fucking similar to the relationship between
Speaker 2: parent and child. If you are a parent, you know
Speaker 2: and think about it, you know, like if your child
Speaker 2: comes up to you and says, I really want to
Speaker 2: do ballet, I really really want to be a ballerina
Speaker 2: when I grow up, you, as a parent, will do
Speaker 2: everything in your power to make that happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are the universe.
Speaker 2: You are the universe. But you can't do it if
Speaker 2: they don't tell you. And you can't make them a ballerina.
Speaker 2: You can't make them a professional ballerina. You can give
Speaker 2: them opportunities, you can like do everything that you can
Speaker 2: to support them. And you know, this is like like
Speaker 2: you know within no, but I get it totally, you know,
Speaker 2: and I and ever since then, I'm like, that makes
Speaker 2: so much sense to me. Like spirit can't fucking like
Speaker 2: make my arms and legs move and take me places
Speaker 2: and call up the people I need to call up.
Speaker 2: But I can do that, and I can keep telling
Speaker 2: them this is what I really want to do. I
Speaker 2: need you to help. I want you to help me
Speaker 2: make it happen. And they're like, fuck, yes, get moving,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: And the thing is they're always expecting you to live
Speaker 1: as you're higher self, Like they're always expecting you to
Speaker 1: like where the ones letting them down constantly from being
Speaker 1: so human. You know, they're like we're ready, We're ready
Speaker 1: to meet you, Like are you ready, Like we're still here,
Speaker 1: like come on, let's do all the good stuff. And
Speaker 1: you're having this like know, spiral human experience totally, and
Speaker 1: I think that of Huanity, right. And also just going
Speaker 1: back to that parent thing, I was expecting you to
Speaker 1: tell your child just to touch the stove, right, because
Speaker 1: there's this also this element in the universe is like
Speaker 1: you're the human is going to fuck up and do
Speaker 1: the cycle for as long as it needs to do
Speaker 1: the cycle till it's ready.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So as much as the parent or the universe can
Speaker 1: assist in the ballet or the safety that child will
Speaker 1: need to learn, however many times it needs to learn,
Speaker 1: we cannot take away. Of course, we keep them safe,
Speaker 1: but we cannot take away their moments of discomfort in
Speaker 1: the school yard or finding belonging or dealing with betrayal
Speaker 1: like that is a human necessity to require depth and character,
Speaker 1: and so we always want to like save our kids,
Speaker 1: but they really need to experience all of it, right,
Speaker 1: And just like the universe is like, well, experience the
Speaker 1: whole world. Yeah, and then come back to me and
Speaker 1: tell me what you really want and then we can
Speaker 1: do that together.
Speaker 2: How do you look at because like even speaking to that,
Speaker 2: you know, like you and I both kind of can
Speaker 2: feel into the hardest moments of our life are also
Speaker 2: there's so much gratitude in that sometimes because without it,
Speaker 2: that's where we learned so much understanding, capacity for others,
Speaker 2: so much compassion. It gives us strength, it gives us resilience.
Speaker 2: There's so much that's to it. So how do you
Speaker 2: explain that to people? Like, do you do we try
Speaker 2: and find gratitude in the hard times.
Speaker 1: I think there's two types of people, Okay. I think
Speaker 1: that there are people that experience trauma and they come
Speaker 1: through it and grow and see the world differently and
Speaker 1: have have more breadth and depth and understanding. And then
Speaker 1: I think there's a smaller group of people that let
Speaker 1: trauma define them and ruin them. You know, it makes
Speaker 1: them bitter, it makes them smaller, it makes them loop
Speaker 1: in the negative. They don't want to come out. They're
Speaker 1: so okay with being defined by their trauma. This is
Speaker 1: who they are now, this is where they find their meaning,
Speaker 1: this is their identity. And it's funny we cannot impose
Speaker 1: anything on anybody. All I know is that from my
Speaker 1: experience and my last most recent traumatic experience, was I
Speaker 1: really got that choice again. I think it comes up
Speaker 1: every time. It comes up every time that we're given
Speaker 1: a difficult moment. We can either spiral into the unknown
Speaker 1: and wanting answers and wanting certainty and wanting control, or
Speaker 1: we can trust that this has happened, it was going
Speaker 1: to happen, it was supposed to happen, and from that experience,
Speaker 1: we trust that whatever is meant for us will be.
Speaker 1: And when I was waiting for this diagnosis or these
Speaker 1: results for a lump in my breast, this is the
Speaker 1: second time we've done this now in eighteen months. The
Speaker 1: first time was a very different experience for me. So
Speaker 1: I can't say that the second time was different because
Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced the first right, But the second experience,
Speaker 1: definitely padded by all of the knowledge and practice that
Speaker 1: I'm currently in, was like, I literally can do nothing
Speaker 1: with this information until I hear what it is. There
Speaker 1: is nothing helpful about me going into worst case scenarios
Speaker 1: planning my funeral, talking to my husband and about remarrying.
Speaker 1: Doing all of those things, which essentially is putting those
Speaker 1: things into as a vibe, putting them out there. It's
Speaker 1: not helpful. It's not helpful to my nervous system, it's
Speaker 1: not helpful to the energy that people are picking up
Speaker 1: around me. So what I'm going to do is, I'm
Speaker 1: purely going to trust that the greatest gifts are coming
Speaker 1: whatever the result is. If the result was cancer, and
Speaker 1: it was this is our process and this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing, and this is your life, and you've got
Speaker 1: X amount of time to live, that is my story
Speaker 1: and there it has to be surrendered to that and
Speaker 1: trust in that. And that's incredibly hard and I'm sure
Speaker 1: so triggering for so many people listening, and hard for
Speaker 1: me to even say, having lost a mother that way
Speaker 1: and all of the fallout and pain of that, like
Speaker 1: I can't even I can imagine it as a child myself,
Speaker 1: but to put that onto my own child, I cannot
Speaker 1: even fathom. But what else would I do with this information?
Speaker 1: Is the information and then turning up to the information
Speaker 1: with deep trust you have your accessibility to having options
Speaker 1: around that is so different. How you're going to respond.
Speaker 1: I mean, cancer loves stress. Do I want to be
Speaker 1: in a stress response. Do I want to be in
Speaker 1: a gratitude response to where I want to be surrounding
Speaker 1: myself with joy and laughter and funny films, just like
Speaker 1: The Secret. Does you know there's that woman that talks
Speaker 1: about her cancer experience. It's like you get to arrive
Speaker 1: to information in different ways, and that's the power I
Speaker 1: think of a rise and co creation. It's like you
Speaker 1: don't just get this shitty thing to happen and that's
Speaker 1: the end of the line, and you just spiral in
Speaker 1: the world. Shit, It's like, no, we now, okay, this
Speaker 1: is an initiation, right, like the phoenix rising out of
Speaker 1: the fire. Again, this is another opportunity And so what
Speaker 1: are you going to do?
Speaker 2: How old was your mom when she was? Was she?
Speaker 1: And she when she was d one? So like ten
Speaker 1: years older than me now, which is like crazy, yeah
Speaker 1: something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Like so for anyone who hasn't heard sort of
Speaker 2: like the backstory of it, and because I did actually
Speaker 2: want to talk about this because it's almost the cycle
Speaker 2: of this, and I guess listening to it from an
Speaker 2: outsider's perspective and someone who was like sat with you,
Speaker 2: you know last year when you were going through this like,
Speaker 2: as you call it, existential crisis, after you've just had
Speaker 2: sort of like just heard this potential diagnosis to then
Speaker 2: like a year later, Arise is literally about to launch
Speaker 2: and you hit the same potential diagnosis. Yeah, to move
Speaker 2: through it and the story to look different is it's
Speaker 2: really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's heavily confronting. Yeah. And there's something about like
Speaker 1: losing a parent and going through a trauma that you
Speaker 1: feel you're stained with the potential of having the thing
Speaker 1: and having their experience. You know, I'm sure lots of
Speaker 1: people that have lost a parent to cancer feel like
Speaker 1: a shadow lurking around them that it could maybe be
Speaker 1: them one day, you know, even though you like can
Speaker 1: go about your life normally, it's always just there if
Speaker 1: there's a pain, or if there's a twinge, or if
Speaker 1: there's a something. And so I think it's been a
Speaker 1: really huge lesson for me around my grief, but also
Speaker 1: around what my story is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, I think as children, we model our parents
Speaker 1: so much from the way they behaved, the way they work,
Speaker 1: and what industries they're in and all of the things
Speaker 1: that even when they get a disease with there's some
Speaker 1: part of us that thinks there's modeling in that, and
Speaker 1: I just have to really trust that it's just not
Speaker 1: my story, you know, But also like really learn from
Speaker 1: the things that were presented to me through that two
Speaker 1: weeks of waiting, you know, like are you best suited
Speaker 1: to the amount of work, busy chaos that you're kind
Speaker 1: of inclined towards. Are you stressing more than is needed?
Speaker 1: Like what could change in your lifestyle? I want to
Speaker 1: get rid of everything too, Mickey, Like I want to
Speaker 1: get like the car and clothes, and I just don't
Speaker 1: want things. I just I also want to get back
Speaker 1: into the world. Like I think when we work so
Speaker 1: heavily and we have small children and we're addicted to
Speaker 1: the doing, we're actually not even outside experiencing life apart
Speaker 1: from traumas that hit us that we're forced to deal with,
Speaker 1: Like what are we actually doing outside of ourselves? What
Speaker 1: are we experiencing in the world that we can come
Speaker 1: back and be great and with more depth and breadth
Speaker 1: apart from just trauma, you know.
Speaker 2: I think we underestimate the power of tools, And I
Speaker 2: think like a rise is in my experience so far
Speaker 2: of it is just having really potent tools because the
Speaker 2: thing is like a lot of the time we especially
Speaker 2: in moments where we are just like I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm doing anymore. I'm really flustered. We need tangible shit.
Speaker 2: We need things that are going to be like if
Speaker 2: I do this, you know, like there're things that because
Speaker 2: even just the intention of whatever the tool is, and
Speaker 2: you know, we said, everyone's got their own different gateway
Speaker 2: drug whatever works for them. But the intention of going
Speaker 2: this is going to help me, this is going to
Speaker 2: help bring me out of this is so powerful.
Speaker 1: There is no way, and I've got a neuroscientist to
Speaker 1: prove it that you don't practice this and your life
Speaker 1: doesn't change for the better. There is no way that
Speaker 1: if you start your mourning ritual and you can choose
Speaker 1: what that looks like, but that's anchored ingratitude. There's some priming,
Speaker 1: visualization manifestation in there, and you go into the world,
Speaker 1: whether you stub your foot out of the bed and
Speaker 1: your dog's vomited on the couch, right, the way you
Speaker 1: will look at that if your mourning ritual is in
Speaker 1: place vastly different. You are in control your mind, your
Speaker 1: rearticular activation system. The way the tissue from the back
Speaker 1: of your eye is connected to your brain. The way
Speaker 1: you see the world if you've set yourself up for success,
Speaker 1: is vastly different. So every single day me and the
Speaker 1: kids get up, the first thing we say is it's
Speaker 1: going to be a great day. Oh yeah, like that
Speaker 1: when you're in an alpha state, when you wake up
Speaker 1: saying something. And it could be opportunities find me. It
Speaker 1: could be ease and flowers everywhere. It could be I
Speaker 1: am deeply safe and loved. It could be any of
Speaker 1: those things. You know that that is starting you and
Speaker 1: you're in this alpha state between waking and sleeping. It's potent, right,
Speaker 1: So you're using that and you're anchoring in and then
Speaker 1: you start your morning ritual. Your reticular activation system is
Speaker 1: looking for evidence to find that you're correct. Our brains
Speaker 1: want to know that we're right. So you say it's
Speaker 1: a great It will find evidence. It will go Oh,
Speaker 1: the dog vomited on the couch. Thank god, it has
Speaker 1: a really highly intellectual immune system that it can purge.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it a little hug and clean up,
Speaker 1: and thank god it's okay, versus the dog vomited on
Speaker 1: the couch. You know what I'm saying. So it changed
Speaker 1: your perspective changes in everything. And I think that is
Speaker 1: you are then a magnet for miracles when you're in
Speaker 1: that space, like you'll see you'll see all of the
Speaker 1: things and you'll be like, ah, is this a coincidence
Speaker 1: that the genes that I was about to purchase yesterday
Speaker 1: in my cart are now fifty percent off? Like all
Speaker 1: of these things, You'll just be like, is this, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I just bumped into an old friend. I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about them, or I just got whatever.
Speaker 1: It is. Like, we call them micro manifestations, and as
Speaker 1: they evolve and as they develop, you build evidence you
Speaker 1: can go into the bigger ones.
Speaker 2: What I really loved about just that practice and everything
Speaker 2: that you explain the science of it all was that
Speaker 2: you wake up deciding, not deciding, but remembering that you're
Speaker 2: in control. And I think that is really really, really powerful,
Speaker 2: that autonomy and recognizing that. It's like it's not everything
Speaker 2: happening to you. It's like, Okay, I'm in control of
Speaker 2: my body. I'm in control of my mind and my life,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to really relinquish that control instead of
Speaker 2: letting it have control over me exactly.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like are you on the back foot
Speaker 1: or you on the front foot. Yeah, And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm saying, even to the skeptics, even if you took
Speaker 1: spirituality and magnetism and the universe and all that out
Speaker 1: of it, you still will have the scientific backed stuff
Speaker 1: that works, you know. And so I think that this
Speaker 1: is life changing for everybody, and I feel sad. I
Speaker 1: feel sad that people haven't had access to it, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: was it such simple stuff? Can you before we finish up,
Speaker 1: can you explain a RISE for us? Because I know
Speaker 1: so many people be listening to this now and they
Speaker 1: will be like, what is it?
Speaker 2: How the fuck do I get apart? How do I
Speaker 2: join this?
Speaker 1: A Rise is a platform about co creation, but there
Speaker 1: are different pathways in right your gateway drug. So there
Speaker 1: is the community element. The community is filled with like
Speaker 1: minded people. It's the place when you start doing this
Speaker 1: work and you're like, oh my gosh, my friends are
Speaker 1: judging me, my family's judging me. Who can I share
Speaker 1: this with I've had a huge win or I'm having
Speaker 1: a huge block. So that is a membership that gives
Speaker 1: you access to the course for free within the price,
Speaker 1: and then you've got access to me. So there's lots
Speaker 1: of questions that come up, and I'm available to you.
Speaker 1: We do Q and A over three days. You also
Speaker 1: have amazing facilitators once a month come in and hold
Speaker 1: workshops that you were a part of.
Speaker 2: You saw that that was that's so good.
Speaker 1: Kundolini Activation workshop was like mind blowing. So every week,
Speaker 1: so there's it's a it's a place that you're held.
Speaker 1: All the work is in that community.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But you might go, I'm really new. I just want
Speaker 1: to try out this course. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: all in yet. I just want to see if it's
Speaker 1: for me, the course is then for you. That's one
Speaker 1: hundred and forty nine bucks. It was supposed to be
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars and I was like, it has to
Speaker 1: be affordable. It cannot be two thousand dollars, even though
Speaker 1: the value is two thousand. I was like, we cannot.
Speaker 1: So I've taken a little hit there, but I believe
Speaker 1: that the people need it. Yeah, I wonder if we
Speaker 1: give them a code today, I'm just going row yeah, fuck,
Speaker 1: yeah go people should we give like if you use
Speaker 1: the code mickey, yeah, you get twenty five percent off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect, I'll put it on my stories too.
Speaker 1: And then we have the app is almost being developed,
Speaker 1: it's almost done. And then I'm writing the book as
Speaker 1: we speak, so we're almost done. So it's truly a movement.
Speaker 1: Oh and there's workshops in person workshops. So the first one.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm already sharing all of this because
Speaker 1: it's I'm not even allowed, but we have gotten wrong
Speaker 1: Eden retreat where I had the nervous breakdown. Yes, I
Speaker 1: this is such a fun manifestation story. I said to
Speaker 1: my colleague Jewels, I said, you and I are going
Speaker 1: to go away. I want us to go to a
Speaker 1: health retreat. She was like, yeah, great. Sure. In my
Speaker 1: inbox that day, the new GM of Eden was like,
Speaker 1: I'd love to host you to come back to Eden.
Speaker 1: It's been a year. I feel like our brand's aligned.
Speaker 1: And I was like, thank you so much, nice to
Speaker 1: meet you. It would only be if my colleague can
Speaker 1: attend with me. He said, absolutely, no problem. So then
Speaker 1: I say to him, I have an op oportunity for you.
Speaker 1: I would love to host a workshop for Eden, and
Speaker 1: he said, I'll do one better. I think we do
Speaker 1: Eden and arise for like five days over New Year's Eve.
Speaker 1: You can bring in whatever facilitators you want. David the
Speaker 1: medium is going to be there and I get to
Speaker 1: hold these incredibly powerful events. Now, so all of this
Speaker 1: is in the works. Tickets are not available for that.
Speaker 1: I should definitely email them that I've shared all of
Speaker 1: this and sorry. But you can access the course, you
Speaker 1: can join the community. I promise you. It will change
Speaker 1: your life. There's no way it cannot.
Speaker 2: Put me on the waiting list. I'm coming, you're there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, can you imagine us together like bia
Speaker 1: ceremony and oh my god, it'll be amazing.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on to the village,
Speaker 2: crazy lady, for sharing your beautiful story to just see
Speaker 2: like the cycle come to where it is. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much, Beautiful, you have created something magical. You're amazing.