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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, March seventeen, twenty twenty six. Working from Home

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Speaker 1: has a new champion. Nationals leader Matt Canavan says we

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Speaker 1: can only make the bush thrive by encouraging remote work.

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Speaker 1: In January, thousands of Iranians were murdered by the country's

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Speaker 1: regime as they protested against its tyranny. Today, the Australians

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Speaker 1: publishing the stories and pictures of five hundred people who

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Speaker 1: lost their lives fighting for freedom live now at the

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Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au. What fate awaits the lionesses

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Speaker 1: who are returning to Iran. Iranian Australian journalist shukefe Azar

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Speaker 1: is hoping for the best that the women will be

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Speaker 1: forced into a humiliating public confession, but won't be imprisoned,

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Speaker 1: tortured or executed. Hukafa has personal experience of how the

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Speaker 1: Islamic Republic treats women. After several arrests and stints in

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Speaker 1: prison in Iran, Chugafa came to Australia on a people

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Speaker 1: smuggling vessel via Christmas Island, a path many Iranians have

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Speaker 1: taken in their desperation to be free. Now she works

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Speaker 1: for the Australian Chukava is here in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sugar Falls, Amranian journalists and also living in

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Speaker 2: Australia since twy ten, and I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Now. Tell me about your decision and journey to come

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Speaker 1: to Australia, Sugar far.

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Speaker 2: So it was an easy one because I've been arrested

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Speaker 2: many times in the Iran. I've been in prison and

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Speaker 2: last time when I came out of my family forced

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Speaker 2: me actually to just live the concert. So I had

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Speaker 2: no choice but going to Turkey and from Turkey finding

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Speaker 2: a smuggler and then I had idea that I want

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Speaker 2: to go to Europe or America, but I ended up

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Speaker 2: in Australia, so I.

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Speaker 3: Had I took five or six days both in the ocean.

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Speaker 2: So and I remember it was October when we kid

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Speaker 2: received to Christmas Island.

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Speaker 3: So the whole story is traumatic and tough.

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Speaker 1: What do you remember about that journey?

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Speaker 2: Some details actually feded I think during the years, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I remember the you know, I met another refugees in Indonesia.

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Speaker 3: I remember we being in a hotel.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where was that anyway, four hours driving

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Speaker 2: to a beach, and we've been in a hotel and

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Speaker 2: the smuggler told us that don't go out of that hotel.

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Speaker 2: So for a few days been in the hotel. And

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Speaker 2: then after that midnight they took us by a car

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Speaker 2: and we drove like four five hours to a bitch.

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Speaker 3: It was very horrifying night.

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Speaker 2: And then they suddenly I remember they stopped the car suddenly,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't told us even so we were not

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Speaker 3: So I said go.

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Speaker 2: Out right now, right now, and we just run out

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Speaker 2: of the car.

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Speaker 3: It was forest. It was so horry well.

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Speaker 2: And remember we took the boat and then we changed

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Speaker 2: the boat and in the middle of this ocean, day

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Speaker 2: three or four hour, boat engine broken. And then wait

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Speaker 2: for a fisherman. He came with his very small boat,

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Speaker 2: and then we exchanged the boat and then we came

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Speaker 2: to Christmas Island and it.

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Speaker 3: Was very horrible memory. I got my refugee.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a pr after seven months because I

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Speaker 2: would prove that I am a journalist that you know,

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Speaker 2: I had so many reports in Internet.

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Speaker 3: They can find my reports.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're very lucky to now have you reporting for

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Speaker 1: us Shukafur and your reports on the Lioness's football team

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Speaker 1: have I think brought your work to a whole new audience.

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Speaker 1: It must be interesting or a full circle moment for

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Speaker 1: you to now be reporting on these young women who

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Speaker 1: are themselves claiming asylum, some of them here in Australia

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Speaker 1: in a very tumultuous way. How does that make you

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Speaker 1: reflect on your own journey as an asylum seeker.

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Speaker 2: So I think you know, we women, Iranian women, all

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Speaker 2: of us been in on their extremely you know, control

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Speaker 2: and pressure in the last forty seven years in many

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Speaker 2: many different ways. In the streets at a school. It's

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Speaker 2: not just about what we wear, is about how we behave,

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Speaker 2: it dance, if you have a boyfriend and hold their

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Speaker 2: hands in their streets, you know, everything can cause.

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Speaker 3: A problem for you and make you be arrested.

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Speaker 2: So when I saw the footballers, women footballers in Australia

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Speaker 2: and all of the pressure on them, is just reflects

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Speaker 2: and it reminds me all of the memory I had,

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Speaker 2: and I know that millions of Iranian women have the

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Speaker 2: same experience of pressure and being controlled. So yes, one

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Speaker 2: of the reasons that I want to write their stories

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Speaker 2: about because I think we all are in the same page.

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Speaker 1: I think Australians might not realize how common it is

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Speaker 1: for people in Iran and women in Iran to be arrested.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about what that encounter might be like for

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Speaker 1: these young women. We're talking about what happens, who arrests

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Speaker 2: You know, when the Islamic Republic founded, one of the

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Speaker 2: first things was creating moral police in the streets. So

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Speaker 2: we had no any idea about something like that before

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Speaker 2: this regime. So almost anything can lead to imprisonment for women.

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Speaker 2: You know, as I said, very male police. Showing your hair,

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Speaker 2: you know, holding your boyfriend's hand in a street, drinking, dancing, living,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think even being breathing and living

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Speaker 2: and they're having lover, attending to any protests inside the school, university, streets,

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Speaker 2: everything can cause arrestments. So in fact, there are no

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Speaker 2: clear laws governing these matters.

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Speaker 3: That's the main issue.

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Speaker 2: So when morality police vans come to a streets, they

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Speaker 2: simply can find the excuse.

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Speaker 3: And reason to arrest you.

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Speaker 2: And there are huge number of forts that they rape

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Speaker 2: women and girls inside their vans. And I remember myself

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Speaker 2: I arrested many times, same as I think millions of

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Speaker 2: Iranian women. We all been arrested all the time in

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Speaker 2: if you're not lucky, they can transfer you to one

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Speaker 2: of the toosands of unofficial detention sites that run by

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Speaker 2: IORGC or Intelligence service, and they can do whatever they want,

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Speaker 2: from rape, from physical torture, mental torture, or killing. And

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Speaker 2: obviously none of the organizations take responsibility, and these kind

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Speaker 3: We have so many evidence about all of these matters.

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Speaker 2: And the REGIMU so frequently uses a mental hospital as

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Speaker 2: a form of punishment. When they rape women, they send

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Speaker 2: that when they come back from mental hospitals, no one

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Speaker 2: believe them if they say we've been raped.

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Speaker 1: How does it make you think about Islamic law or

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Speaker 1: the version of Islamic law that they say that they

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Speaker 3: If you ask me, this is one that person.

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Speaker 2: Islamic law, you know, shardiad law is actually shaddiad law

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Speaker 2: is all about women's bodies, what you wear, what you do,

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Speaker 2: how you act, what is your rights in front of

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Speaker 3: And everything is about women's body.

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Speaker 2: And that's why the Iranian believes that the kind of

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Speaker 1: This was an Islamic revolution. It's called the Islamic Republic

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Speaker 1: of Iran. They're called the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Do

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Speaker 1: you believe believe that this is a real interpretation of Islam?

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Speaker 1: Or is this an excuse for men to just do

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't see.

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Speaker 2: I think this is one of our Iranian points. We

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Speaker 2: never saw any happy Islamic country. And it's fourteen hundred

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Speaker 2: That they came to our country first, I think fourteen

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Speaker 2: hundred years ago. So when you read Koran, as I

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Speaker 2: many violence in Quran. It says if your wife doesn't

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Speaker 2: So these are in gour On, so you cannot deny it.

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Speaker 1: When we see women being arrested and those reports make

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Speaker 1: example Masa Ameni, who died in the custody of the

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Speaker 4: Amini had been visiting Tehran with her brother. Police say

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Speaker 4: she was arrested for dressing him properly. She collapsed in

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Speaker 1: People have taken to the streets across Iran angry at

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Iranian women are trying to be

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Speaker 1: it just that you just cannot escape the attention of

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Speaker 2: But I think, boss, you know, what happened to Massa

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Speaker 2: Amini happens many times before. But you know, sometimes the

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Speaker 2: moment that the movement of Massa Amini has started. And

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Speaker 2: And men also now understand and they also support us.

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Speaker 2: It's not just about what we experience. Every woman has

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Speaker 3: Coming up.

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Speaker 1: What Iranians really think about Israel and Americas war on

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Speaker 1: the regime? What did you think when you saw the

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Speaker 1: Lionesses declining to sing the Iranian national anthem in their

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Speaker 1: first match in Australia.

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Speaker 2: We understand them, and we know that they want to

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Speaker 2: show that they don't like and they don't support the regime.

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Speaker 3: And we hope that we could help them more.

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Speaker 2: We knew that their family been threatened, and we knew

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Speaker 2: that even if they stay in Australia, definitely their family

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Speaker 2: will be tortured. And as you have also three of

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Speaker 2: other girls they've been refuged in Australia. They also made

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Speaker 2: decisions to return to Iran, so definitely because their family

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Speaker 2: called them and say that we are under pressure, so

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Speaker 2: was good for them, but definitely their family been threatened

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Speaker 2: and if they go, they will fare. It's definitely the

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Speaker 2: threatened by the region.

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Speaker 1: We're now a couple of weeks into Operation Epic Fury.

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Speaker 1: The military support that, as you say, Iranian people were

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Speaker 1: hoping for from the West. Do you think it's offering

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Speaker 2: Yes, a lot, but still no one knows how it

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Speaker 2: will end. And Ironia are very happy inside and outside

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Speaker 2: the country. The situation inside the you know, on and

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Speaker 2: on their bar is very very difficult.

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Speaker 3: They cannot find foods.

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Speaker 2: Many of fresh food are not available, like you know,

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Speaker 2: meat or veiges or dis kind of milk. And all

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Speaker 2: the time they are on their bombardment, they house shakes.

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Speaker 3: All the time.

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Speaker 2: If they go to show, They explain to me, if

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Speaker 2: they go to show, it does a quick shover, just

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Speaker 2: two minute shovers because they don't know, you know, next

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Speaker 2: bombardment will take their house. They will die, you know,

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Speaker 2: whatever happened to them. But they are very very happy.

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Speaker 2: There are so many videos published by people inside the

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Speaker 2: and you know, they say, oh, thanks baby, thanks Trump,

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Speaker 2: please kill these bastards.

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Speaker 3: So there are onions.

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Speaker 2: And they are very hopeful that this military help will

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Speaker 2: end the regime.

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Speaker 1: Australians are suddenly paying attention to the plight of Iranian women,

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Speaker 1: thanks to the Lionesses and thanks to the war that's

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Speaker 1: going on now. How does that make you feel?

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Speaker 2: It is what we want forty seven years, you know,

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Speaker 2: we want to be heard, but Western wasn't be ready.

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Speaker 2: Western countries were not ready to listen to us, or

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Speaker 3: Us by purpose.

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Speaker 2: But now finally, after almost five decades, they are listening

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Speaker 3: And it feels good.

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Speaker 2: It feels that finally they can understand us, and they

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Speaker 2: can see our points, why we want military support and

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Speaker 2: what were our situation really in last five decades. Inside

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Speaker 2: they eat on all of the horror we experience, moreder rape,

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Speaker 2: everything that we experience now after almost five decades are

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Speaker 1: What do you think will happen to the line is

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Speaker 1: who go back to Iran?

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Speaker 2: I think and I hope it ends at least by

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Speaker 2: a compulsory television confess, which is the minimum, and I

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Speaker 2: hope it will end with that. So it means they

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Speaker 2: put pressure on them and they ask these girls to

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Speaker 2: go to television and say, oh, we didn't want to

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Speaker 2: take refuge in Australia, or they push us, or we

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Speaker 2: did mistake, I'm sorry, and that's all. This is very

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Speaker 2: common in Iran, and I hope if this happened, they

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Speaker 2: can back to their job. They came back to normal love,

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Speaker 2: because I know how it can be harsher and more

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Speaker 2: So it can be like saying in the prison for

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Speaker 2: many years. They can be in solidarity. They can be physical,

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Speaker 2: they would be physical or sexual arrestment.

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Speaker 3: There could be anything.

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Speaker 1: Do they potentially face execution?

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Speaker 2: You know, my orgist it came to TV and they

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Speaker 2: say these girls committed treasons under the bar situation and

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Speaker 2: we all know this kind of accusation can end up

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Speaker 2: with execution.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully not, but it can well.

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Speaker 1: Shuku for thank you so much for the work you

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Speaker 1: do for us, and thanks for being an Australian.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Sugar for Aza is a reporter with The Australian. You

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Speaker 1: can read her work anytime at the Australian dot com

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