WEBVTT - Without a will and a way

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<v Speaker 1>Buried underneath this modern court case, in our own time,

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<v Speaker 1>in our own year of twenty twenty six, is a

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<v Speaker 1>story of human frailty and passion and heartbreak and crimes

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<v Speaker 1>of the heart. One of the things I've worked out

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<v Speaker 1>over years of looking at criminal stuff is that people

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<v Speaker 1>tend to do similar things. Killers nearly always dump or

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<v Speaker 1>buried bodies in an area they know, an area they've

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<v Speaker 1>been to before. I'm Andrew Rule. This is life and crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we've got something a little bit different, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is what I've called a crime of the heart. Because

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<v Speaker 1>not all crimes are about bullets and blood poison or

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<v Speaker 1>any of that sort of stuff. There are other sort

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<v Speaker 1>of crime, and these are where acts of carelessness and

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<v Speaker 1>cruelty and passion have lasting effects that can hang over

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<v Speaker 1>families for generations until the day when the past reaches out.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what we're talking about today. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>strange case of an old block called George Thomas Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>who might never have known the true story of his

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<v Speaker 1>birth because he grew up in Melbourne with the lie

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<v Speaker 1>that his mother had woven around his entire life. George

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<v Speaker 1>died back in early twenty and eleven eighty one years old.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an old, childless bachelor with no close relatives

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<v Speaker 1>at all. He had no first cousins, and he had

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<v Speaker 1>no uncles and aunts, and his dear old mother, the

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<v Speaker 1>one who's at the heart of this story, had died

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<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen eighty five at a very great age,

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<v Speaker 1>and like some people, George had not got around to

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<v Speaker 1>making a will. Now, this wouldn't have matted much if

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<v Speaker 1>he'd had nothing much to leave, and it wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>mattered much if George's family affairs had been fairly conventional.

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<v Speaker 1>But there were two differences. One is George did have

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<v Speaker 1>something to leave. George had been studious and clever enough

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<v Speaker 1>to become an engineer. He actually owned the big, double

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<v Speaker 1>story Victorian house that he lived in in Prince's Park

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise known as North Carlton or Carlton North, and he

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<v Speaker 1>had substantial assets as well. He had assets apart from

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<v Speaker 1>the house, and I'm not sure if it was shares

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<v Speaker 1>and money in the bank and other properties or what,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had quite a bit. And he'd put that

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<v Speaker 1>together either from his own efforts entirely, which is possible,

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<v Speaker 1>or possibly maybe because he'd had a silent benefactor a

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<v Speaker 1>lifetime ago. Maybe he got a little leg up when

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<v Speaker 1>he was young. We'll never really know that for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably doesn't matter, but it's intriguing now. George Watson's estate

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<v Speaker 1>was estimated when he died in twenty eleven at two

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<v Speaker 1>point three million. That's in twenty and eleven dollars, which

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<v Speaker 1>are worth a lot less now when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>real estate. But when his house at twenty Arnold Street

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<v Speaker 1>sold late that year, it sold for far more than

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<v Speaker 1>its estimated value. I think they estimated the value at

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<v Speaker 1>one point three million, and they got one point five

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<v Speaker 1>to five or something like that, So his estate was

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<v Speaker 1>actually more by the end of that year, was more

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<v Speaker 1>than the estimation. So I'm saying that it was probably

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<v Speaker 1>even in the year he died, worth more like two

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<v Speaker 1>and a half or more, two and a half million

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<v Speaker 1>or more. Now, this two and a half million, let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>was held in trust by the state trustees, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not unusual. When people die intestate, the state trustees look

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<v Speaker 1>after the estate, pending distribution of that estate to the

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate heirs, and normally that can be slow, but it

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<v Speaker 1>follows a process and it all happens. Now it's routine

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<v Speaker 1>when someone dies intestate, that is, without making a will,

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<v Speaker 1>that the state trustees, in their wisdom, search for next

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<v Speaker 1>of kin to identify who should inherit. Now, this can

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<v Speaker 1>be slow, and it can be costly for the estate,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course bears all the costs. They just take

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<v Speaker 1>it off the top. But it should be reasonably fair,

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<v Speaker 1>or at least be equally unfair to everyone. Fairly fair,

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<v Speaker 1>the state trustees, i understand, use their own in house

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<v Speaker 1>genealogy people to check out who's related to whom. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you die without leaving a will, then it's up

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<v Speaker 1>for grabs who's related to you, So they look through

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<v Speaker 1>your birth certificate. Then they established backwards, just like all genealogists,

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<v Speaker 1>who mom and dad were, who your grandparents were, who

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<v Speaker 1>your siblings are, and all that stuff. But it's all

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<v Speaker 1>got to be documented legally and properly. And it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out with George Watson that they hit a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a glitch. They worked out that the person named as

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<v Speaker 1>his mother on his birth certificate that she wasn't any

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<v Speaker 1>Watson has claimed she was in fact Annie McPherson. And

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<v Speaker 1>they worked out that the man named as his father

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<v Speaker 1>on the birth certificate same name, George Watson, same name

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<v Speaker 1>as as the dead guy, that he hadn't actually existed,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not in the way that he was portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>in these certificates, the certificates claimed. If you work back

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<v Speaker 1>from the certificates, it was claimed that a young Australian nurse,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming she was Scottish born and claiming her name was

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<v Speaker 1>Annie Clark, had at some point traveled to Scotland, in

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<v Speaker 1>this case allegedly home to Scotland, and there had married

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<v Speaker 1>an Australian, a West Australian man called George Watson, in

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<v Speaker 1>the city or town city of Dundee in nineteen twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that is what was on the paperwork, but it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take the genealogist many weeks or months to work

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<v Speaker 1>out that this was bogus, a that there was no

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<v Speaker 1>any Clark who became Annie Watson, that in fact it

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<v Speaker 1>was this unmarried woman called Annie McPherson, and she hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been born in Scotland at all, She had been born

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<v Speaker 1>in Victoria, and b she had not married anyone in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty six, let alone a West Australian chef called

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<v Speaker 1>George Watson. He didn't exist and the marriage didn't exist. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this would a bit of a spanner in the works,

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<v Speaker 1>to put it bluntly, because they had a dead guy

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<v Speaker 1>within a state, but they couldn't really work out who

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<v Speaker 1>his real father was. Now common sense would seem to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that in a case like this, that is so

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<v Speaker 1>long ago. This is now eighty years back. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking today in twenty twenty six, the events we're discussing

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<v Speaker 1>go back one hundred years really, But even back in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven this was old stuff. It was two generations old.

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<v Speaker 1>No one involved would still be alive now. In a

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<v Speaker 1>case like this, I am told on pretty good authority

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<v Speaker 1>by an expert in the field, the state trustees can

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<v Speaker 1>elect to use a legal device which has it as

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<v Speaker 1>a name, and it's well known in probate law. This

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<v Speaker 1>device allows them to make a ruling that the estate

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<v Speaker 1>should be divided up among the legitimate is that present

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<v Speaker 1>and so on and so forth. However, that is not

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<v Speaker 1>what happened here. I am told that what happened here

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<v Speaker 1>was that the state trustees officials at the State Trustees

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<v Speaker 1>Office decided in their wisdom to not do that, and

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<v Speaker 1>they instead adopted an extremely conservative approach some would say

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<v Speaker 1>an extremely pro government approach by placing the entire estate

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<v Speaker 1>of two and a half million dollars plus in the

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<v Speaker 1>state government coffers in treasury or state revenue or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it's called. Now, you know, that's not unusual. That does

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<v Speaker 1>happen with money, and it's sitting there, and when a

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate person turns up, they will get their money eventually. However,

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<v Speaker 1>in this case this has turned into a Charles Dickens scenario,

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<v Speaker 1>like Jarndyce versus Charndace, where fourteen years later the legitimate

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<v Speaker 1>heirs of poor old George Watson, the bachelor who died

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<v Speaker 1>without a will, have not been able to get any

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<v Speaker 1>of the money. Now there are ten of these people.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all quite old. They are, in fact the descendants

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<v Speaker 1>of Ani McPherson's first cousins. These ones Ani McPherson, who's

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<v Speaker 1>the mother of the dead man, had first cousins, and

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<v Speaker 1>it is those cousins' descendants, those cousins' grandchildren, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>who are now quite elderly people who lining up to

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<v Speaker 1>share the estate, and so they should. Now there are

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<v Speaker 1>ten of them, but I think there was eleven, but

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<v Speaker 1>one died so already while this is dragging on for

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<v Speaker 1>the last fourteen years. One of these people, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the McPherson's in fact, has died. Leading the ten plaintiffs

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<v Speaker 1>in this case is a respected former Victorian magistrate called

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<v Speaker 1>Ian Christopher Elger, and he was a magistrate for several years,

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<v Speaker 1>well known around the traps. Mister Elger and two of

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<v Speaker 1>his siblings and seven others just last week launched Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court action to try to get their share of their

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<v Speaker 1>relatives money of George Watson's money. This will be interesting

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<v Speaker 1>to see what happens, and it will be interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a case where the government has held the money

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<v Speaker 1>for fourteen years. It's a case where the money has

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<v Speaker 1>grown notionally at least from the original amount of say

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<v Speaker 1>two and a half million to probably a million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>more than that. If you think of compound interest over

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen years, even at low interest rates like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>three and a half four percent, it does grow appreciably.

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<v Speaker 1>And also those people will have the opportunity to demand

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<v Speaker 1>or sue for compensation. They have not only missed out

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<v Speaker 1>on the interest that they could have earned, they've missed

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<v Speaker 1>out on opportunity. They have not been able to use

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<v Speaker 1>that money to invest in other ways, and they could

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<v Speaker 1>legitimately claim, and I suspect they will that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they'd got the two and a half million back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day fourteen years ago, they could have done

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<v Speaker 1>quite a lot with it. And it might be that

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<v Speaker 1>this squabble, this legal squabble, is ultimately about more like

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<v Speaker 1>four or five million than about two and a half

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<v Speaker 1>and that makes it quite interesting. But buried underneath this

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<v Speaker 1>modern court case, in our own time, in our own

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<v Speaker 1>year of twenty twenty six, is a story of human

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<v Speaker 1>frailty and passion and heartbreak and as I said, crimes

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<v Speaker 1>of the heart that dates back a century to the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenties. And that is the story of George Watson's mother,

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<v Speaker 1>the woman whose real name was Annie McPherson, the woman

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<v Speaker 1>who was actually born in Victoria in eighteen ninety one,

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<v Speaker 1>who grew up in I think the inner northern suburbs

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<v Speaker 1>of Melbourne, and she became a nurse. So she was hardworking,

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<v Speaker 1>respectable person. In those days, young ladies as they were called,

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<v Speaker 1>would tend to go towards nursing or teaching as a

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<v Speaker 1>profession because so many other things were not open to them. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in those days, of course, a lot of women got

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<v Speaker 1>married quite young. They would get married in their early twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>and in those days, unlike now, women in their mid

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<v Speaker 1>to late thirties were regarded and often called old maids

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<v Speaker 1>or spinsters. These are the strange, old cruel words that

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<v Speaker 1>we used about people not that many decades ago. And

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<v Speaker 1>there is no doubt looking back and interpreting Annie McPherson's life,

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<v Speaker 1>that in her thirties as a nurse working in hospitals,

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<v Speaker 1>that she for whatever reason, hadn't met anybody and married them.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is clear, because she did have a child,

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<v Speaker 1>that she did meet someone with whom she had a

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<v Speaker 1>passionate affair, and she got pregnant in late nineteen twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we've got here is the world's going to

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<v Speaker 1>hell in a handbasket. Wall Street has collapsed in October

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen twenty nine. People are being laid off in

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<v Speaker 1>factories all over the world, including in Melbourne. Big bank loans,

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<v Speaker 1>international loans have been called in and suspended. Things are

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<v Speaker 1>very tough, and in that period just before the Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen twenty nine, this nurse Annie McPherson, I think

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<v Speaker 1>by then back in Melbourne having worked in Bendigo and

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<v Speaker 1>possibly Ballarat. I think she's back in Melbourne by then

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<v Speaker 1>she falls pregnant. Now we don't know who the father was. This,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, is the glitch or the obstacle that has

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<v Speaker 1>prevented her illegitimate son's estate being divided among her distant relatives,

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<v Speaker 1>because no one knows who daddy was. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 1>were a novelist or a screenwriter, you'd dream up some

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<v Speaker 1>scenario and you would say, let's get the DNA onto it,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd be able to sort of crack the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Possibly in the real world it's not that easy. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you were a screenwriter or a novelist, let's look

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<v Speaker 1>at the facts here, that few sketchy facts we can

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<v Speaker 1>line up. Who would a nurse be likely to have

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<v Speaker 1>an affair with in the late nineteen twenties, Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying a doctor. Who would a nurse be unable to

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<v Speaker 1>marry if she became pregnant as many people used to

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<v Speaker 1>they get pregnant and then get married in those days,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of them. Well that would be because the father

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<v Speaker 1>of her unborn child would be already married. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be a big problem, a massive problem, a massive social problem,

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<v Speaker 1>because not only would she be sort of ruined and

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<v Speaker 1>lose a job and lose her reputation, etc. Etc. But

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<v Speaker 1>the married father of the child would also in a

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<v Speaker 1>respectable profession like medicine or the law, would also have

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<v Speaker 1>those sort of problems. They probably would lose their livelihood

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<v Speaker 1>and would end up in a VD clinic on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the country doing something much less profitable

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<v Speaker 1>and much less pleasant. And if you were pursuing this theory,

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<v Speaker 1>you would say, Okay, a doctor that she worked with

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<v Speaker 1>or she met through medical work in working in hospitals,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say at Bendigo, where she did work in the twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's another clue to this. Annie McPherson called her

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<v Speaker 1>child George Thomas Watson. Watson is the name Watson is

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<v Speaker 1>the name that she allocated to this non existent father

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<v Speaker 1>or husband, the one she said she married in Scotland.

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<v Speaker 1>She said that she or someone very like her married

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<v Speaker 1>George Watson, forty two year old chef from Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>She was very keen on this name Watson. Third thing,

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<v Speaker 1>she said she'd gone back at Scotland, place she'd never been,

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<v Speaker 1>that she'd gone back there and married in the city

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<v Speaker 1>of Dundee in nineteen twenty six. That gives you a

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<v Speaker 1>third triangulation. A man called Watson, probably a doctor or

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<v Speaker 1>possibly a doctor, and he's Scottish and he has a

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<v Speaker 1>connection with the Dundee district. Okay, let's look at the

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<v Speaker 1>possible people who could fit this profile. A quick look

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<v Speaker 1>at the government gazettes of the late twenties suggests that

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<v Speaker 1>there were four doctor Watson's registered to practice in Victoria

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<v Speaker 1>in the late nineteen twenties, at around the time that

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<v Speaker 1>nurse McPherson became pregnant. And there's this one, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>that one. But there's only four of them. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of those court would catch a novelist's eye or a

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<v Speaker 1>screenwriter's eye, because that one a recently eminent person. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a tuberculosis expert, and he'd come to Australia from overseas,

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<v Speaker 1>so he came with some sort of reputation. This man

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<v Speaker 1>was called doctor Henry Watson. He was Scottish, tick Scottish.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only is Scottish, he was educated initially at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Aberdeen in eastern Scotland. Aberdeen is a city

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<v Speaker 1>rather close in social and commercial ties to the smaller

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<v Speaker 1>city of Dundee. In fact, Dundee and Aberdeen are very

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<v Speaker 1>much linked in economically and socially because of the building

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<v Speaker 1>of a railroad between the two back in the nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century and the building of the rather famous tay Bridge

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<v Speaker 1>tay Tay Bridge, which meant that people in both cities

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<v Speaker 1>could travel up and down on the train, and that

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<v Speaker 1>people from Dundee would go to Aberdeen to university, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera, et cetera. A close link, and there's every

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<v Speaker 1>chance that a young doctor who studied at the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Aberdeen in fact may well have come from Dundee

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<v Speaker 1>or from any of the districts between Dundee and Aberdeen,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise, why if he came from somewhere else, why

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<v Speaker 1>would he not go to Glasgow or to Edinburgh. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense that if you're from Dundee, you would go

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<v Speaker 1>to Aberdeen. And doctor Henry Watson was from Aberdeen. He's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a big shot. He'd made his name during World

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<v Speaker 1>War One as a tuberculosis expert and he came to

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<v Speaker 1>Australia and he married I think in the very early twenties.

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<v Speaker 1>He married a widow an Australian widow called Marjorie Bush.

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<v Speaker 1>And Marjorie Bush had two sons who were, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of semi grown. They were young adults, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think either of them made old bones. I think

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<v Speaker 1>one Patrick died at the age of twenty five and

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<v Speaker 1>the other one lived longer but didn't grow old. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think this would suggest that doctor Henry Watson, who

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<v Speaker 1>was born in eighteen eighty, so he gets to Australia

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<v Speaker 1>when he's about forty in about nineteen twenty, that he's

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<v Speaker 1>married a woman of at least his own age. He's

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<v Speaker 1>married a woman of early middle age who already has

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<v Speaker 1>two semi adult sons. It turns out that Dr Morgan

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<v Speaker 1>and his widow wife, the widow he married, did have

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<v Speaker 1>a daughter in the early nineteen twenties, so they did

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<v Speaker 1>have a child between them. They then at some point

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<v Speaker 1>worked in the region of Bendigo. There is a reference

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<v Speaker 1>to Dr Morgan living at or practicing at the town

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<v Speaker 1>of Talbot. Now Talbot is one of the old Gold

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<v Speaker 1>Territories gold areas, and it's sort of between Bendigo and Ballarat.

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<v Speaker 1>Very loosely speaking, that's out near Maryborough, but it's in

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<v Speaker 1>that region, so a doctor from there could easily have

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<v Speaker 1>used Bendigo or Ballarat hospitals for more serious cases. He

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<v Speaker 1>would probably travel to those to see certain patients and

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<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth, and there he would naturally

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<v Speaker 1>meet nurses who are on duty. Now we know that

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<v Speaker 1>our nurse Annie McPherson was a nurse at Bendigo, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's conceivable she also nursed at Ballarat. That gives us

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<v Speaker 1>a putative connection between these people. This is strictly a

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<v Speaker 1>circumstantial thing, circumstantial case that is interesting for a writer

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<v Speaker 1>creating a story. I doubt it would carry much weight

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<v Speaker 1>in a legal sense because it is fairly flimsy. It

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<v Speaker 1>is purely, purely circumstantial, and yet to me convincing. We

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<v Speaker 1>have the name Watson, the name that nurse McPherson adopted

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<v Speaker 1>for herself. Two years after her baby was born. She

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<v Speaker 1>changed her name to Watson and used the name Watson

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest of her life until she died at

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<v Speaker 1>the age of ninety four back in nineteen eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to her grave and see her headstone,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got Annie Watson. Secondly, she claimed to have married

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<v Speaker 1>a Manka Watson in Dundee. Why pick Dundee if she's

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<v Speaker 1>making stuff up for a bogus birth certificate, why did

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<v Speaker 1>she not say I met a man called Wilson from Wales,

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<v Speaker 1>or I met a man called Kezale from Canada or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>or a man called Robertson from Rhodesia, But she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>It was specifically a Scott called Watson from Dundee, the

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<v Speaker 1>eastern part of Scotland. One of the things I've worked

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<v Speaker 1>out over years of looking at criminal stuff is that

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<v Speaker 1>people tend to do similar things. Killers nearly always and

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<v Speaker 1>police rely on this. Killers nearly always dump or berry

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<v Speaker 1>bodies in an area they know, an area they have

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<v Speaker 1>been to before. They do not go to some totally

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<v Speaker 1>unmapped part of the state where they'd never been and

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:56.040
<v Speaker 1>dump a body. They go somewhere they know, somewhere where

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<v Speaker 1>they camped once, or they went fishing, or they were

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<v Speaker 1>taken there as kids on skill camps or something. The

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<v Speaker 1>homicide squad regard that as a total fact in doing investigations.

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<v Speaker 1>Good tip if you're pulling a murder, take the body

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere you've never been. It will help you in your defense.

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<v Speaker 1>The second thing is that rational liars. We're not talking

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<v Speaker 1>about lunatics here, who just rave on rational liars who

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<v Speaker 1>want to be believed and who want their liars to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up and to stand scrutiny. They don't make up

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<v Speaker 1>complete fantasy. They just take the truth and twist it.

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<v Speaker 1>They edit the truth. They start with the truth and

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<v Speaker 1>just tweak it. And they say, yes, I was driving

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<v Speaker 1>a blue Commodore with mom bombs on the aerial, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't on the Tuesday, I drove it on the Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 1>So they tell the truth about the car, but they

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<v Speaker 1>alter the day or whatever it might be, just fiddle

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<v Speaker 1>with the truth. It's very hard for ordinary, rational, logical

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 1>people to completely make up a completely fantastic, completely bogus scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>We all of us, if we are sane and moderately sensible,

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<v Speaker 1>we all rely on real things which we then tamper with.

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<v Speaker 1>And in my view, Anny McPherson, when she was cooking

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<v Speaker 1>up what was a lifelong lie, a lie that she

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<v Speaker 1>wove around her newborn son, a lie that stayed with

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<v Speaker 1>him for all of his eighty years, that she relied

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<v Speaker 1>heavily on the truth, she just tampered with it. And

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<v Speaker 1>if I were a novelist or a screenwriter, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>an enterprising lawyer. I'd be looking at the possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>a doctor Henry Watson might have had his wicked way

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<v Speaker 1>with Nurse McPherson. With that scenario, which is completely circumstantial,

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<v Speaker 1>has any basis in truth, It could never be proven

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<v Speaker 1>except with some sort of complex DNA analysis, and I

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<v Speaker 1>doubt very much if there's any DNA available to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is that Life and Crimes looks forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the result of the Supreme Court action launched by the

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<v Speaker 1>ten heirs of the estate of the late George Thomas Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>who you'd have to say died a lucky old bastard.

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