1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Buried underneath this modern court case, in our own time, 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: in our own year of twenty twenty six, is a 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: story of human frailty and passion and heartbreak and crimes 4 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: of the heart. One of the things I've worked out 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: over years of looking at criminal stuff is that people 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: tend to do similar things. Killers nearly always dump or 7 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: buried bodies in an area they know, an area they've 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: been to before. I'm Andrew Rule. This is life and crimes. 9 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: Today we've got something a little bit different, and this 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: is what I've called a crime of the heart. Because 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: not all crimes are about bullets and blood poison or 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: any of that sort of stuff. There are other sort 13 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: of crime, and these are where acts of carelessness and 14 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: cruelty and passion have lasting effects that can hang over 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: families for generations until the day when the past reaches out. 16 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: And that's what we're talking about today. This is the 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: strange case of an old block called George Thomas Watson, 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: who might never have known the true story of his 19 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: birth because he grew up in Melbourne with the lie 20 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: that his mother had woven around his entire life. George 21 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: died back in early twenty and eleven eighty one years old. 22 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: He was an old, childless bachelor with no close relatives 23 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: at all. He had no first cousins, and he had 24 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: no uncles and aunts, and his dear old mother, the 25 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: one who's at the heart of this story, had died 26 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: back in nineteen eighty five at a very great age, 27 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: and like some people, George had not got around to 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: making a will. Now, this wouldn't have matted much if 29 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: he'd had nothing much to leave, and it wouldn't have 30 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,559 Speaker 1: mattered much if George's family affairs had been fairly conventional. 31 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: But there were two differences. One is George did have 32 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: something to leave. George had been studious and clever enough 33 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: to become an engineer. He actually owned the big, double 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: story Victorian house that he lived in in Prince's Park 35 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: otherwise known as North Carlton or Carlton North, and he 36 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: had substantial assets as well. He had assets apart from 37 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: the house, and I'm not sure if it was shares 38 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: and money in the bank and other properties or what, 39 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: but he had quite a bit. And he'd put that 40 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: together either from his own efforts entirely, which is possible, 41 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: or possibly maybe because he'd had a silent benefactor a 42 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: lifetime ago. Maybe he got a little leg up when 43 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: he was young. We'll never really know that for sure. 44 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: Probably doesn't matter, but it's intriguing now. George Watson's estate 45 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: was estimated when he died in twenty eleven at two 46 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: point three million. That's in twenty and eleven dollars, which 47 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: are worth a lot less now when it comes to 48 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: real estate. But when his house at twenty Arnold Street 49 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: sold late that year, it sold for far more than 50 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: its estimated value. I think they estimated the value at 51 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: one point three million, and they got one point five 52 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: to five or something like that, So his estate was 53 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: actually more by the end of that year, was more 54 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: than the estimation. So I'm saying that it was probably 55 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: even in the year he died, worth more like two 56 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: and a half or more, two and a half million 57 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: or more. Now, this two and a half million, let's say, 58 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: was held in trust by the state trustees, which is 59 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: not unusual. When people die intestate, the state trustees look 60 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: after the estate, pending distribution of that estate to the 61 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: legitimate heirs, and normally that can be slow, but it 62 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 1: follows a process and it all happens. Now it's routine 63 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: when someone dies intestate, that is, without making a will, 64 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: that the state trustees, in their wisdom, search for next 65 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: of kin to identify who should inherit. Now, this can 66 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: be slow, and it can be costly for the estate, 67 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: which of course bears all the costs. They just take 68 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: it off the top. But it should be reasonably fair, 69 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: or at least be equally unfair to everyone. Fairly fair, 70 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: the state trustees, i understand, use their own in house 71 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: genealogy people to check out who's related to whom. Now, 72 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: if you die without leaving a will, then it's up 73 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: for grabs who's related to you, So they look through 74 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: your birth certificate. Then they established backwards, just like all genealogists, 75 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: who mom and dad were, who your grandparents were, who 76 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: your siblings are, and all that stuff. But it's all 77 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: got to be documented legally and properly. And it turns 78 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: out with George Watson that they hit a bit of 79 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: a glitch. They worked out that the person named as 80 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: his mother on his birth certificate that she wasn't any 81 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: Watson has claimed she was in fact Annie McPherson. And 82 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: they worked out that the man named as his father 83 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: on the birth certificate same name, George Watson, same name 84 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: as as the dead guy, that he hadn't actually existed, 85 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: at least not in the way that he was portrayed 86 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: in these certificates, the certificates claimed. If you work back 87 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: from the certificates, it was claimed that a young Australian nurse, 88 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 1: claiming she was Scottish born and claiming her name was 89 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: Annie Clark, had at some point traveled to Scotland, in 90 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: this case allegedly home to Scotland, and there had married 91 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: an Australian, a West Australian man called George Watson, in 92 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: the city or town city of Dundee in nineteen twenty six. 93 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: Now that is what was on the paperwork, but it 94 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: didn't take the genealogist many weeks or months to work 95 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: out that this was bogus, a that there was no 96 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: any Clark who became Annie Watson, that in fact it 97 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: was this unmarried woman called Annie McPherson, and she hadn't 98 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: been born in Scotland at all, She had been born 99 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 1: in Victoria, and b she had not married anyone in 100 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: nineteen twenty six, let alone a West Australian chef called 101 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: George Watson. He didn't exist and the marriage didn't exist. Now, 102 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: this would a bit of a spanner in the works, 103 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: to put it bluntly, because they had a dead guy 104 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: within a state, but they couldn't really work out who 105 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: his real father was. Now common sense would seem to 106 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: suggest that in a case like this, that is so 107 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: long ago. This is now eighty years back. In fact, 108 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: speaking today in twenty twenty six, the events we're discussing 109 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: go back one hundred years really, But even back in 110 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: twenty eleven this was old stuff. It was two generations old. 111 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: No one involved would still be alive now. In a 112 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: case like this, I am told on pretty good authority 113 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: by an expert in the field, the state trustees can 114 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: elect to use a legal device which has it as 115 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: a name, and it's well known in probate law. This 116 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: device allows them to make a ruling that the estate 117 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: should be divided up among the legitimate is that present 118 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. However, that is not 119 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: what happened here. I am told that what happened here 120 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: was that the state trustees officials at the State Trustees 121 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: Office decided in their wisdom to not do that, and 122 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: they instead adopted an extremely conservative approach some would say 123 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: an extremely pro government approach by placing the entire estate 124 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: of two and a half million dollars plus in the 125 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: state government coffers in treasury or state revenue or whatever 126 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: it's called. Now, you know, that's not unusual. That does 127 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: happen with money, and it's sitting there, and when a 128 00:08:55,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: legitimate person turns up, they will get their money eventually. However, 129 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: in this case this has turned into a Charles Dickens scenario, 130 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: like Jarndyce versus Charndace, where fourteen years later the legitimate 131 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: heirs of poor old George Watson, the bachelor who died 132 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: without a will, have not been able to get any 133 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: of the money. Now there are ten of these people. 134 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: They're all quite old. They are, in fact the descendants 135 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: of Ani McPherson's first cousins. These ones Ani McPherson, who's 136 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: the mother of the dead man, had first cousins, and 137 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:45,080 Speaker 1: it is those cousins' descendants, those cousins' grandchildren, I think, 138 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: who are now quite elderly people who lining up to 139 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: share the estate, and so they should. Now there are 140 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: ten of them, but I think there was eleven, but 141 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: one died so already while this is dragging on for 142 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: the last fourteen years. One of these people, one of 143 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: the McPherson's in fact, has died. Leading the ten plaintiffs 144 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: in this case is a respected former Victorian magistrate called 145 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: Ian Christopher Elger, and he was a magistrate for several years, 146 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: well known around the traps. Mister Elger and two of 147 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: his siblings and seven others just last week launched Supreme 148 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: Court action to try to get their share of their 149 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: relatives money of George Watson's money. This will be interesting 150 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: to see what happens, and it will be interesting because 151 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: it's a case where the government has held the money 152 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: for fourteen years. It's a case where the money has 153 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: grown notionally at least from the original amount of say 154 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: two and a half million to probably a million dollars 155 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: more than that. If you think of compound interest over 156 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: fourteen years, even at low interest rates like you know, 157 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: three and a half four percent, it does grow appreciably. 158 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: And also those people will have the opportunity to demand 159 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: or sue for compensation. They have not only missed out 160 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: on the interest that they could have earned, they've missed 161 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: out on opportunity. They have not been able to use 162 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: that money to invest in other ways, and they could 163 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: legitimately claim, and I suspect they will that. You know, 164 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: if they'd got the two and a half million back 165 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: in the day fourteen years ago, they could have done 166 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: quite a lot with it. And it might be that 167 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: this squabble, this legal squabble, is ultimately about more like 168 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: four or five million than about two and a half 169 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: and that makes it quite interesting. But buried underneath this 170 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: modern court case, in our own time, in our own 171 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: year of twenty twenty six, is a story of human 172 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: frailty and passion and heartbreak and as I said, crimes 173 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: of the heart that dates back a century to the 174 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. And that is the story of George Watson's mother, 175 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: the woman whose real name was Annie McPherson, the woman 176 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: who was actually born in Victoria in eighteen ninety one, 177 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 1: who grew up in I think the inner northern suburbs 178 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: of Melbourne, and she became a nurse. So she was hardworking, 179 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: respectable person. In those days, young ladies as they were called, 180 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: would tend to go towards nursing or teaching as a 181 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: profession because so many other things were not open to them. Now, 182 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 1: in those days, of course, a lot of women got 183 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,239 Speaker 1: married quite young. They would get married in their early twenties, 184 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: and in those days, unlike now, women in their mid 185 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: to late thirties were regarded and often called old maids 186 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: or spinsters. These are the strange, old cruel words that 187 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: we used about people not that many decades ago. And 188 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: there is no doubt looking back and interpreting Annie McPherson's life, 189 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: that in her thirties as a nurse working in hospitals, 190 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: that she for whatever reason, hadn't met anybody and married them. 191 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: And it is clear, because she did have a child, 192 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: that she did meet someone with whom she had a 193 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: passionate affair, and she got pregnant in late nineteen twenty nine. 194 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: So what we've got here is the world's going to 195 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: hell in a handbasket. Wall Street has collapsed in October 196 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty nine. People are being laid off in 197 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: factories all over the world, including in Melbourne. Big bank loans, 198 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: international loans have been called in and suspended. Things are 199 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:10,119 Speaker 1: very tough, and in that period just before the Christmas 200 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty nine, this nurse Annie McPherson, I think 201 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: by then back in Melbourne having worked in Bendigo and 202 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: possibly Ballarat. I think she's back in Melbourne by then 203 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: she falls pregnant. Now we don't know who the father was. This, 204 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 1: of course, is the glitch or the obstacle that has 205 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: prevented her illegitimate son's estate being divided among her distant relatives, 206 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: because no one knows who daddy was. Now, if you 207 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: were a novelist or a screenwriter, you'd dream up some 208 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: scenario and you would say, let's get the DNA onto it, 209 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: and you'd be able to sort of crack the case. 210 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: Possibly in the real world it's not that easy. But 211 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: if you were a screenwriter or a novelist, let's look 212 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: at the facts here, that few sketchy facts we can 213 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: line up. Who would a nurse be likely to have 214 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: an affair with in the late nineteen twenties, Well, I'm 215 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: saying a doctor. Who would a nurse be unable to 216 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: marry if she became pregnant as many people used to 217 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: they get pregnant and then get married in those days, 218 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: lots of them. Well that would be because the father 219 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: of her unborn child would be already married. That would 220 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: be a big problem, a massive problem, a massive social problem, 221 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: because not only would she be sort of ruined and 222 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: lose a job and lose her reputation, etc. Etc. But 223 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: the married father of the child would also in a 224 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: respectable profession like medicine or the law, would also have 225 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: those sort of problems. They probably would lose their livelihood 226 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: and would end up in a VD clinic on the 227 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: other side of the country doing something much less profitable 228 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: and much less pleasant. And if you were pursuing this theory, 229 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: you would say, Okay, a doctor that she worked with 230 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,119 Speaker 1: or she met through medical work in working in hospitals, 231 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: let's say at Bendigo, where she did work in the twenties. 232 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: Now there's another clue to this. Annie McPherson called her 233 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: child George Thomas Watson. Watson is the name Watson is 234 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: the name that she allocated to this non existent father 235 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: or husband, the one she said she married in Scotland. 236 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: She said that she or someone very like her married 237 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: George Watson, forty two year old chef from Western Australia. 238 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: She was very keen on this name Watson. Third thing, 239 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: she said she'd gone back at Scotland, place she'd never been, 240 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: that she'd gone back there and married in the city 241 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: of Dundee in nineteen twenty six. That gives you a 242 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: third triangulation. A man called Watson, probably a doctor or 243 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: possibly a doctor, and he's Scottish and he has a 244 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: connection with the Dundee district. Okay, let's look at the 245 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: possible people who could fit this profile. A quick look 246 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: at the government gazettes of the late twenties suggests that 247 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: there were four doctor Watson's registered to practice in Victoria 248 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: in the late nineteen twenties, at around the time that 249 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: nurse McPherson became pregnant. And there's this one, and there's 250 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: that one. But there's only four of them. And one 251 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: of those court would catch a novelist's eye or a 252 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: screenwriter's eye, because that one a recently eminent person. He's 253 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: a tuberculosis expert, and he'd come to Australia from overseas, 254 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: so he came with some sort of reputation. This man 255 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: was called doctor Henry Watson. He was Scottish, tick Scottish. 256 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: Not only is Scottish, he was educated initially at the 257 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: University of Aberdeen in eastern Scotland. Aberdeen is a city 258 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: rather close in social and commercial ties to the smaller 259 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: city of Dundee. In fact, Dundee and Aberdeen are very 260 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:46,120 Speaker 1: much linked in economically and socially because of the building 261 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: of a railroad between the two back in the nineteenth 262 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: century and the building of the rather famous tay Bridge 263 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: tay Tay Bridge, which meant that people in both cities 264 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 1: could travel up and down on the train, and that 265 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: people from Dundee would go to Aberdeen to university, et cetera, 266 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. A close link, and there's every 267 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: chance that a young doctor who studied at the University 268 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: of Aberdeen in fact may well have come from Dundee 269 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: or from any of the districts between Dundee and Aberdeen, 270 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: because otherwise, why if he came from somewhere else, why 271 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: would he not go to Glasgow or to Edinburgh. It 272 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: makes sense that if you're from Dundee, you would go 273 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 1: to Aberdeen. And doctor Henry Watson was from Aberdeen. He's 274 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: quite a big shot. He'd made his name during World 275 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: War One as a tuberculosis expert and he came to 276 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: Australia and he married I think in the very early twenties. 277 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: He married a widow an Australian widow called Marjorie Bush. 278 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: And Marjorie Bush had two sons who were, you know, 279 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: sort of semi grown. They were young adults, and I 280 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: don't think either of them made old bones. I think 281 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,679 Speaker 1: one Patrick died at the age of twenty five and 282 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: the other one lived longer but didn't grow old. I 283 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: don't think this would suggest that doctor Henry Watson, who 284 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: was born in eighteen eighty, so he gets to Australia 285 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: when he's about forty in about nineteen twenty, that he's 286 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: married a woman of at least his own age. He's 287 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: married a woman of early middle age who already has 288 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: two semi adult sons. It turns out that Dr Morgan 289 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: and his widow wife, the widow he married, did have 290 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: a daughter in the early nineteen twenties, so they did 291 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: have a child between them. They then at some point 292 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: worked in the region of Bendigo. There is a reference 293 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: to Dr Morgan living at or practicing at the town 294 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: of Talbot. Now Talbot is one of the old Gold 295 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: Territories gold areas, and it's sort of between Bendigo and Ballarat. 296 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 1: Very loosely speaking, that's out near Maryborough, but it's in 297 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: that region, so a doctor from there could easily have 298 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: used Bendigo or Ballarat hospitals for more serious cases. He 299 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: would probably travel to those to see certain patients and 300 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: so on and so forth, and there he would naturally 301 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: meet nurses who are on duty. Now we know that 302 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: our nurse Annie McPherson was a nurse at Bendigo, and 303 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: it's conceivable she also nursed at Ballarat. That gives us 304 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 1: a putative connection between these people. This is strictly a 305 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: circumstantial thing, circumstantial case that is interesting for a writer 306 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: creating a story. I doubt it would carry much weight 307 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: in a legal sense because it is fairly flimsy. It 308 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: is purely, purely circumstantial, and yet to me convincing. We 309 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 1: have the name Watson, the name that nurse McPherson adopted 310 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: for herself. Two years after her baby was born. She 311 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: changed her name to Watson and used the name Watson 312 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: for the rest of her life until she died at 313 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 1: the age of ninety four back in nineteen eighty five. 314 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: If you go to her grave and see her headstone, 315 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: it's got Annie Watson. Secondly, she claimed to have married 316 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: a Manka Watson in Dundee. Why pick Dundee if she's 317 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: making stuff up for a bogus birth certificate, why did 318 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: she not say I met a man called Wilson from Wales, 319 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: or I met a man called Kezale from Canada or whatever, 320 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: or a man called Robertson from Rhodesia, But she didn't 321 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: It was specifically a Scott called Watson from Dundee, the 322 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: eastern part of Scotland. One of the things I've worked 323 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: out over years of looking at criminal stuff is that 324 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: people tend to do similar things. Killers nearly always and 325 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 1: police rely on this. Killers nearly always dump or berry 326 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: bodies in an area they know, an area they have 327 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: been to before. They do not go to some totally 328 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: unmapped part of the state where they'd never been and 329 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: dump a body. They go somewhere they know, somewhere where 330 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: they camped once, or they went fishing, or they were 331 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: taken there as kids on skill camps or something. The 332 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: homicide squad regard that as a total fact in doing investigations. 333 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 1: Good tip if you're pulling a murder, take the body 334 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 1: somewhere you've never been. It will help you in your defense. 335 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: The second thing is that rational liars. We're not talking 336 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: about lunatics here, who just rave on rational liars who 337 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: want to be believed and who want their liars to 338 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: stand up and to stand scrutiny. They don't make up 339 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: complete fantasy. They just take the truth and twist it. 340 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: They edit the truth. They start with the truth and 341 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: just tweak it. And they say, yes, I was driving 342 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: a blue Commodore with mom bombs on the aerial, but 343 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: it wasn't on the Tuesday, I drove it on the Wednesday. 344 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: So they tell the truth about the car, but they 345 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: alter the day or whatever it might be, just fiddle 346 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: with the truth. It's very hard for ordinary, rational, logical 347 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: people to completely make up a completely fantastic, completely bogus scenario. 348 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: We all of us, if we are sane and moderately sensible, 349 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: we all rely on real things which we then tamper with. 350 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 1: And in my view, Anny McPherson, when she was cooking 351 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: up what was a lifelong lie, a lie that she 352 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: wove around her newborn son, a lie that stayed with 353 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: him for all of his eighty years, that she relied 354 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: heavily on the truth, she just tampered with it. And 355 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: if I were a novelist or a screenwriter, or perhaps 356 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: an enterprising lawyer. I'd be looking at the possibility that 357 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: a doctor Henry Watson might have had his wicked way 358 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: with Nurse McPherson. With that scenario, which is completely circumstantial, 359 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: has any basis in truth, It could never be proven 360 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 1: except with some sort of complex DNA analysis, and I 361 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: doubt very much if there's any DNA available to do it. 362 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 1: So that is that Life and Crimes looks forward to 363 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 1: the result of the Supreme Court action launched by the 364 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: ten heirs of the estate of the late George Thomas Watson, 365 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: who you'd have to say died a lucky old bastard. 366 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Life and Crimes is a Sunday Herald 367 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: Sun production for true crime Australian. 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