Speaker 1: I get atif cook, I'll get a cray Harper.
Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to Welcome to my show, and me, welcome
Speaker 2: to your show. We didn't talk about this being a
Speaker 2: co share, but fuck it, I'm making a corporate decision.
Speaker 1: Fabulous.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: It might remind me. You'll forget this and the listeners
Speaker 2: will want to know. But I need to tell you something.
Speaker 2: When we get off air about about work stuff.
Speaker 1: Remind me, so your listeners remind me because I'll forget.
Speaker 2: Can you remind me to remind you? You know? When
Speaker 2: people say to me, can you remind me? I'm like,
Speaker 2: fucking no, I'm sixty. My head is full of shit
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to fucking I'm trying to finish a PhD.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to remember stuff. It's like I feel,
Speaker 2: I feel I'm near my kind of cognitive threshold with
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 3: What if you do? What is your thing for retaining information?
Speaker 3: How do you figure that out?
Speaker 2: Well? It depends in what realm. Like if it's with
Speaker 2: names and stuff, I just if I know another person
Speaker 2: with the same name, then I just associate, like I
Speaker 2: bring that person's face to mine so I remember with
Speaker 2: with with dry academic jargon. I struggle, so I try
Speaker 2: to make it interesting. But there's there's a theory that Okay,
Speaker 2: so well, this is my theory. And my theory is
Speaker 2: that if I hear it and then I write it down,
Speaker 2: and then as long as it's something that's not overly complicated.
Speaker 2: But if I hear it, then I write it down.
Speaker 2: The more you write, the more you're likely to remember.
Speaker 2: So we know that I forget what the number is,
Speaker 2: but it's pretty significant percentage. So if you go to
Speaker 2: a workshop and just listen versus go to a workshop
Speaker 2: and listen and write down, the chances of you retaining
Speaker 2: and then applying and then getting benefit from the application
Speaker 2: are exponentially greater versus sitting in a room like I
Speaker 2: can I say this. I'm going to give him a
Speaker 2: shout out. David from Queensland Rail. I'm going Queensland next
Speaker 2: week to do a gig, right, And so I did
Speaker 2: a gig for them two years ago for two hours, right,
Speaker 2: And we sat yesterday, we're on the call and we're
Speaker 2: talking about what I'm going to talk about next week
Speaker 2: and talking about content and he said, okay, so these
Speaker 2: are the things that you covered last time. Because last
Speaker 2: time I sent him a bit of checklist of what
Speaker 2: I was going to cover. Fuck, now that's distracting.
Speaker 1: I'll just get him just turning my electric blanket on.
Speaker 2: Oh god, she's playing. She's playing with a cat. Everybody
Speaker 2: on the cats just here anyway, anyway, so old mate. Anyway,
Speaker 2: We're talking about what I spoke about two years ago
Speaker 2: for two hours, and he's like, which I understand, is like, look,
Speaker 2: half the audience will be new, but we don't want
Speaker 2: you to cover the same content. And I'm like, while
Speaker 2: I understand that, of course I won't. But what's hilarious
Speaker 2: is two years ago they heard me talk for two hours.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I could almost guarantee you that all of
Speaker 2: them forgot all of what I said, So, you know,
Speaker 2: but that's just about you know. I try to when
Speaker 2: I'm teaching stuff to make it memorable. I try to
Speaker 2: story a fia it turn it into a story because
Speaker 2: people remember stories because stories create emotional connection. Humor creates
Speaker 2: emotional connection. But just fucking information unless that really relates
Speaker 2: to you strongly, right then generally it doesn't have the
Speaker 2: same emotional, psychological, or physiological impact because emotion lives in
Speaker 2: the body right. But when I say, which I won't
Speaker 2: do again today for the millions time. But if I
Speaker 2: talk about the data and the science and the research
Speaker 2: around childhood obesity versus tell a story about my obese childhood,
Speaker 2: it has a very different impact.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But from back to your question, from our learning, I
Speaker 2: need to listen to it. I need to write it down.
Speaker 2: I need to record it sometimes in my phone, and
Speaker 2: then I play it in the car. And then as
Speaker 2: soon as I can, I teach it. Yes, as soon
Speaker 2: as I can I teach it, I share it. So
Speaker 2: there was a term I heard recently which I really loved.
Speaker 2: So this is an example because I'm a bit of
Speaker 2: a slow learner, but once I learn it, it's kind
Speaker 2: of locked in. Like I struggled to learn functional anatomy.
Speaker 2: But now twenty five years after my degree, I pretty
Speaker 2: much remember all of it. Once I learn it, I
Speaker 2: retain it. But learning it is not that quick. But
Speaker 2: I remember reading a thing about a month ago around
Speaker 2: this idea that we most of us automatically think that
Speaker 2: other people think like us. So they my intention will
Speaker 2: be their experience. They'll understand what I am saying because
Speaker 2: I understand what I am saying right. So that phenomena
Speaker 2: in psychology is called the false consensus effect, right, And
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I fucking love that. I love that
Speaker 2: because that's so relevant for my work. That's so relevant
Speaker 2: for my research. But for about three weeks I kept
Speaker 2: forgetting the term and then the moment that I started
Speaker 2: talking about it as a component of self awareness, communication rapport,
Speaker 2: you know, like into personal stuff. And now I remember it,
Speaker 2: you know, and if you ask me in ten years,
Speaker 2: I'll still remember it. But for me, it's like when
Speaker 2: I hear, for example, a new term like that, and
Speaker 2: you go, that's an interesting term. It's kind of explains
Speaker 2: in one term a whole bunch of stuff, and it's
Speaker 2: relevant to my work. Yeah, that's my process. What about you?
Speaker 2: Do you have a specific learning process or is it
Speaker 2: a bit rando?
Speaker 1: I feel like.
Speaker 3: I'm almost the opposite to you in that I'm a
Speaker 3: really quick learner but a terrible retainer, right, and um,
Speaker 3: so being really interested.
Speaker 2: A really good point. Actually, use it's really about retention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it? Retention and recall.
Speaker 3: It's almost like I feel like my head is a
Speaker 3: teenager's messy bedroom and there's a lot of really cool
Speaker 3: shit in there, but good luck digging it out when
Speaker 3: you need it.
Speaker 2: Such a nice analogy.
Speaker 1: It's not nice one. It's your head though.
Speaker 3: Mamma did always tell me to clean my room. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I did not have better retention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's true, though, isn't. It's trying to it's
Speaker 2: trying to shuffle through the fucking filing cabinets in your head.
Speaker 2: It is like most of it, most of it is
Speaker 2: in there. But I also think that, you know, we've
Speaker 2: spoken about this a little bit before, Like, so right now,
Speaker 2: as we record this, it's eleven thirty nine. I know
Speaker 2: that my brain, my cognition, my clarity, my fucking articulation
Speaker 2: of things is better now than if we did this
Speaker 2: tonight at six thirty nine. Yeah, you know, if we
Speaker 2: did this tonight at six thirty nine, not eleven thirty nine, am,
Speaker 2: people would not not that this is the high watermark
Speaker 2: for a podcast what we're doing now. But it would
Speaker 2: be dogshit if we recorded it in seven hours, because
Speaker 2: I would have already been up and working for thirteen hours.
Speaker 2: You would have been doing the same. Yeah. So I
Speaker 2: think understanding how you work is important, and what time
Speaker 2: of day and in what you know, like also down
Speaker 2: to how do I best? I'll shut up after this,
Speaker 2: I realize I'm over talking. There's my self awareness moment.
Speaker 2: But you know when you go like, I'm good in
Speaker 2: twenty minute chunks. Yeah, unless it's something that I'm passionate about,
Speaker 2: then I'm all in. But if it's actual research where
Speaker 2: I've got to read papers twenty minutes and then get
Speaker 2: up fucking and walk around the block, come back to
Speaker 2: another twenty minutes, do some push ups, do some squats,
Speaker 2: I can do some jazz or size touch of toes
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. You know, I've got to I've got to
Speaker 2: work to my I reckon, I'm a little bit. I'm
Speaker 2: not you, adhd, but I'm a little bit. I'm a
Speaker 2: little bit. Probably ah i am, I am if I'm
Speaker 2: not into it. Fuck, I find it hard to concentrate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and finding out that you know that level of
Speaker 3: engagement that's needed to get you to focus and retain
Speaker 3: because it's really easy for me. I learned pretty quickly
Speaker 3: that in a classroom's good for me. Online is not
Speaker 3: a great method of learning because I'm impatient and I'm enthusiastic,
Speaker 3: but I'm impatient. I'm impatient at just digesting information for
Speaker 3: the sake of it watching a live video. If I
Speaker 3: miss a live video or workshop, the experience of watching
Speaker 3: it back is which is weird, right, because.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
Speaker 3: But when you know that what's happening is live and
Speaker 3: your interactions are also seen on the other side, there's.
Speaker 1: A different there's I don't know, it's very different for me.
Speaker 2: Wow, there's interaction. I mean one there is interaction. One
Speaker 2: there's no interaction. And also I think like I used
Speaker 2: to teach exercise programming at UNI, So I used to
Speaker 2: teach first and second year students exercise programming and half
Speaker 2: of what would be an a lecture theater, which was
Speaker 2: fucking horrible. So you know, you're talking about flex and extension,
Speaker 2: internal external rotation and which is you know, functional anatomy
Speaker 2: to a point, and then you're talking about like the
Speaker 2: theory of weight training, which is you know, But then
Speaker 2: when I'd get them into the gym, it was a
Speaker 2: whole different an experience where I'd have humans and bodies
Speaker 2: and joints and muscles and movement and planes of movement
Speaker 2: and fucking overload and like eyes wide open and energy
Speaker 2: and it's different and like trying to teach something which
Speaker 2: is a practical thing in a theoretical way. I hate it.
Speaker 2: I hate it. I'm an experiential learner. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm only moderately good at business because I owned businesses,
Speaker 2: and I've owned businesses for nearly forty years. Right, that's
Speaker 2: and I just because I fucked up, made money, lost money,
Speaker 2: got things right, got things wrong, employed good people and
Speaker 2: not so good people, hired fired, dealt with lawyers, dealt
Speaker 2: with counsel, dealt with landlords. You know. It's like figured
Speaker 2: out marketing, figured out branding. You know, Like that's how
Speaker 2: I got good at business by doing business. You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's such an important thing to highlight and understand
Speaker 3: about yourself losing it. Like how much I have beaten
Speaker 3: myself up over time about my inability to learn a
Speaker 3: certain way or retain things. You know. One of my
Speaker 3: biggest things that challenged me was not retaining stats and
Speaker 3: data and science and decause I wanted to tell people
Speaker 3: and teach people things. But the stuff, the depth of
Speaker 3: things that interested me that I was fascinated by, the
Speaker 3: ability to retain that and recall it accurately was just
Speaker 3: wasn't there, and it can lead to people really like
Speaker 3: inhibiting potential because you choose not to do things, you
Speaker 3: choose not to I'm not a business person. I'm not
Speaker 3: good at that. I couldn't do that. I couldn't teach people.
Speaker 3: I couldn't you know, I couldn't go for that job.
Speaker 3: And then we forget about all the things that make
Speaker 3: us great.
Speaker 2: And also, I think, you know, because understandably this is
Speaker 2: a slight on education or the system or teachers. I
Speaker 2: love teachers, They're amazing, but not everyone fits ideally into
Speaker 2: the same kind of model of education, you know. And
Speaker 2: I look back now and I think, ah, I you know,
Speaker 2: I wasn't full of full blown ADHD or you know,
Speaker 2: but I I for me, the traditional model of learning
Speaker 2: wasn't optimal. You know, it wasn't terrible, but it wasn't.
Speaker 2: But for some of my mates, it was terrible, Like
Speaker 2: it was completely Yet you would put those same because
Speaker 2: I went to an all boys school, so that's why
Speaker 2: I say mates. But then you'd put some of those
Speaker 2: guys in a different environment with different required skills or aptitude,
Speaker 2: and they were fucking amazing. And I was the biggest
Speaker 2: dumb ass of all time, you know, and I think this,
Speaker 2: you know, this speaks to the spectrum of what is intelligence,
Speaker 2: And sadly, in our culture, we think intelligence is IQ. Well,
Speaker 2: I know some people with high IQs who are fucking idiots,
Speaker 2: you know, Like, you know, do they have a lot
Speaker 2: of data stored in their head? Yeah? Can they catch
Speaker 2: a ball? No? Can they change a tire? No? Do
Speaker 2: they know how to have a meaningful conversation? Can they
Speaker 2: be instinctive and intuitive and in the moment and read
Speaker 2: the room and read? No? No, some of them are terrorit.
Speaker 2: They're good people, but they admit that. Like now, like
Speaker 2: I often say to me one of my friends who's
Speaker 2: real smart, and he may or may not have been
Speaker 2: on this show, and his name might be doctor Alex Kaofeman,
Speaker 2: Like I love him and he's obviously a genius. But
Speaker 2: Alex always says to me, how the fuck you just
Speaker 2: get in front of a room and just like with
Speaker 2: no notes, no plan, and you're not stressed, and you
Speaker 2: just start and you keep talking and it's and that's
Speaker 2: a different And I'm not saying I'm a genius, because
Speaker 2: I'm not. But there's a few things I'm good at
Speaker 2: and that's one of them. But you know, as soon
Speaker 2: as Alex starts unpacking the fucking the brain on a
Speaker 2: medical level, my eyes roll back in my head and
Speaker 2: I'm like the Sarah, what the prefrontal? What the fuck?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And I only understand the brain reasonably well now because
Speaker 2: I've tirelessly studied it. But it's not my natural kind
Speaker 2: of habitat. It's not my natural operating system to learn
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: I did an episode with two guests recently, and I
Speaker 3: found a challenge. Sometimes having two guests on a show
Speaker 3: is a bit clunky and challenging. I find it very
Speaker 3: different because, you know, managing people on Mike's talking over
Speaker 3: each other, one of them completely blind, so they have
Speaker 3: no visual input as to who's speaking and about to
Speaker 3: speak and what's going on.
Speaker 1: And that was running through my mind.
Speaker 3: And I've been a bit crook lately, so I've felt
Speaker 3: a bit under the weather and a bit cognitively delayed.
Speaker 3: And there were a huge inner critic in my head
Speaker 3: just throughout this whole conversation.
Speaker 1: I was like, you are shit it this this is terrible.
Speaker 3: But in the middle of analyzing that whole experience, I
Speaker 3: was like, that's like, that's it's a real skill set.
Speaker 3: This is improv this Like I did improv workshop a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago just for fun. I was like,
Speaker 3: that's things that that's something people get taught to do.
Speaker 3: And only when I'm challenged to a level of it
Speaker 3: in one scenario do I realize that that's actually a
Speaker 3: skill set that I don't even recognize I have that's
Speaker 3: very valuable that I do every single day when I'm
Speaker 3: podcasting with no plan or notes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's social intelligence. Like that is intelligence. That's
Speaker 2: literally called social intelligence at intersex with situational awareness is
Speaker 2: knowing what is, what isn't appropriate, what you know. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: that that is definitely And by the way, I'm not
Speaker 2: discounting IQ as an important thing everyone. I'm just saying
Speaker 2: that the cultural kind of standard that we have that
Speaker 2: intelligence equals or intelligence is represented by IQ score or
Speaker 2: academic prowess is a very very misleading concept, like very
Speaker 2: misleading and in the real world, in the real world
Speaker 2: doesn't work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's relevant only when you look from the
Speaker 3: standpoint of matching where you're going or where you want
Speaker 3: to be, what room you're in, to what type of intelligence.
Speaker 3: You look at you get people working in the arts
Speaker 3: and give them an IQ kit to a Q test,
Speaker 3: it's probably not that relevant, yeah, someone in academia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about my three best mates, right, the
Speaker 2: crab that I train with. The crab is like, if
Speaker 2: you're going to get stuck on an island or remote island,
Speaker 2: get stuck with a crab because he'll build you a
Speaker 2: house by tomorrow lunchtime, right, or.
Speaker 1: A wooden squat rack. So I've heard.
Speaker 2: Yeahing like, don't get stuck anywhere remote with me. You'll
Speaker 2: die by dinner time. I'll probably eat you, So don't
Speaker 2: fucking do that, right. And then there's Greg, my mate,
Speaker 2: who's a musical genius. Like you could give him four
Speaker 2: bits of string and a couple of other pieces of junk,
Speaker 2: he'll make an instrument. Right. So he's never been taught
Speaker 2: an instrument but plays about twenty instruments, writes songs, records sings.
Speaker 2: He's a musical prodigy. Like, it's fucking and I learned
Speaker 2: guitar for eight years and it's like, compared to him,
Speaker 2: I've never had a lesson, which is fucking annoying.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And then Vinn my mate from school, best mate from school.
Speaker 2: You know, he's an electrician, he's a tradee. He's just
Speaker 2: he just knows how to fix shit. And he'll come
Speaker 2: to my joint and something I've been trying to fix
Speaker 2: for three weeks He'll fix in four minutes and tell
Speaker 2: me I'm a moron, and I go, yes, I agree.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's context. To Pennant, it's skilled, it's situation,
Speaker 2: Like what does this moment require? Does it require fixing
Speaker 2: that broken thing or having a conversation or knowing how
Speaker 2: to fucking change a nappy? Like I know that's this
Speaker 2: is a probably embarrassment. So I've never changed the nappy
Speaker 2: in my life. Imagine me doing that either, thirty five?
Speaker 2: Have you never done that? No, well, you know there
Speaker 2: are certain things that So, yeah.
Speaker 3: I was thinking about school when you were talking about
Speaker 3: school earlier. I remember in high school getting my desk.
Speaker 3: I mean, I should be old enough to know better
Speaker 3: by then. I think it even happened in year eleven,
Speaker 3: to be honest, but I remember this in about year nine,
Speaker 3: getting my desk moved out to the hallway because I
Speaker 3: was disruptive and a pain in the ass and ruining
Speaker 3: everybody else's learning opportunities, and yet Math's was my best subject.
Speaker 3: So I'm getting kicked out of the I'm not paying attentioning,
Speaker 3: I'm stuffing around the whole time, and then I get
Speaker 3: a pluses and my teachers hated it. But you asked
Speaker 3: me today about any complex maths equations that aren't just
Speaker 3: basic shit that you use all the time, and I
Speaker 3: don't retain it. So now I'm a math dummy because
Speaker 3: I didn't listen properly, but I could learn it really quickly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you have that capacity. It's like there
Speaker 2: are some things, depending on what it is, there are
Speaker 2: some things that you learn really quickly, and there are
Speaker 2: also some things that you can know that I love
Speaker 2: the stuff that you intuitively and instinctively know that you've
Speaker 2: never been taught. So just a quick example of that
Speaker 2: is the other day I was looking through old photos
Speaker 2: and old whiteboards, and I found a whiteboard that was
Speaker 2: nearly ten years old, and the whiteboard said what is
Speaker 2: it like being around you? Which is literally my current research,
Speaker 2: which i'd never heard of. Metaperception, meta their accuracy, metacognition,
Speaker 2: theory of mind. I'd never heard of any of those things.
Speaker 2: But even ten years ago I understood the significance of
Speaker 2: having that kind of awareness, and I was talking about it,
Speaker 2: and nobody told me that. I didn't learn that anywhere.
Speaker 2: I didn't read a book on it. I just became
Speaker 2: aware that I was working with people, often with bosses, managers, leaders, coaches,
Speaker 2: who had no fucking idea what it was like for
Speaker 2: their team, their group, their staff to be around them.
Speaker 2: And I recognized if they knew what it was like
Speaker 2: being around them, or they were willing to at least
Speaker 2: lean into that idea, probably things would go better for them.
Speaker 2: And then, you know, six years later, five years later,
Speaker 2: I'd discovered this thing, and then I start doing this
Speaker 2: fucking doctorate in it, and I'm like, I knew this
Speaker 2: stuff before, I knew that it was even an area
Speaker 2: of research, or at the very least I had an
Speaker 2: awareness of it, you know. And then you find out, oh, wow,
Speaker 2: there's this has a name, this has thirty or forty
Speaker 2: years of research invested into it. This is a skill
Speaker 2: that's teachable, you know. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: like my dad is I probably should say was. He
Speaker 2: doesn't paint any more, but he was a very very
Speaker 2: talented artist. Award winning artist who never had one lesson
Speaker 2: You know, how the fuck do you become an award
Speaker 2: winning artist when no one taught you ever? Like he
Speaker 2: never had any lesson ever in art? Like that's just
Speaker 2: an intuitive and nate kind of intelligence or gift.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, there's a really good book on when I
Speaker 3: started sketching in Lockdown. I've got a lot of people
Speaker 3: told me, and I read about three pages of this
Speaker 3: book fascinating, but also I don't know, I think it
Speaker 3: was practical, and I didn't continue with it. But it
Speaker 3: talked about you draw. It was called it's called drawing
Speaker 3: on the right side of the brain. And funnily enough,
Speaker 3: when I bought it, my young nephew said, I've read
Speaker 3: that book. He's he was told to buy that book
Speaker 3: because of drumming. And it just one thing I remember
Speaker 3: it talking about is how artists see things differently, and
Speaker 3: when you learn to see the way an artist sees
Speaker 3: the whole world, life looks different. And I was like,
Speaker 3: what interested me about that? Is when I started sketching.
Speaker 3: I remember meeting with a lady that taught painting. I'd
Speaker 3: met her through networking, and I was talking about how
Speaker 3: I've just started sketching, and it's you know, it's like
Speaker 3: I can do it. Likes to think like I hadn't
Speaker 3: sketched since school and didn't think I.
Speaker 1: Was good at it.
Speaker 3: And she said something about blurring. She goes, do you
Speaker 3: blur your vision? I said, yeah, blur like I kind of.
Speaker 3: It's funny because when I get in the zone with it,
Speaker 3: I blur my whole vision. I'm going at the speed
Speaker 3: of light. I'm smudging shit with a tissue like it's
Speaker 3: just crazy. I almost watch myself doing it, going, who's
Speaker 3: even roaring?
Speaker 2: This?
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: So obviously this way of seeing, I was dropping into that,
Speaker 3: and then I was interested in, well, what is the
Speaker 3: world like if I didn't already see like that? What
Speaker 3: does that even mean?
Speaker 2: But that fascinates me, Well, you're very good at that,
Speaker 2: Like when you when I first saw something that you'd sketched,
Speaker 2: I'm like, jeep, it's and that's like, no, it's good. Fuck,
Speaker 2: I look like a four year old using their wrong hand.
Speaker 2: That's what I look like.
Speaker 1: Who you do use your wrong hand, don't you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, the funny thing is I can, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I can write really well on a whiteboard, like I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's a fucking much of a claim.
Speaker 2: But I constantly get asked about my whiteboards on Instagram,
Speaker 2: and I actually put up. I put one up the
Speaker 2: other day, like the finished product and the original, just
Speaker 2: the photo of the whiteboard. Yeah, and people like, I
Speaker 2: can't believe that you write that neat with your hand,
Speaker 2: and I go, I don't know why, but that's just
Speaker 2: how I write. But if I write on paper, I'm
Speaker 2: not nearly as neat these days as on a whiteboard,
Speaker 2: because who the fuck writes on paper? I don't on
Speaker 2: paper other than just scribbling notes while I'm chatting to someone,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't. Anyway, it's I wonder, I wonder
Speaker 2: how much of that kind of left brain right brain
Speaker 2: stuff is you know, inherent. I guess a fair bit
Speaker 2: that creative versus you know, strategic logic, and how you
Speaker 2: know how trainable it is? Do you remember? I don't
Speaker 2: think you did it. I think it was Melissa, But
Speaker 2: so that brain scientist doctor Jill Balty Taylor. She's that
Speaker 2: very famous and she did a very famous Ted talk.
Speaker 2: What was it called? It will come to me? But anyway,
Speaker 2: just if you want to listen to it, everyone, I
Speaker 2: think it was called my Stroke of Insight or something
Speaker 2: like that, doctor Jill Balty Taylor, and she spoke about
Speaker 2: when her the left side of her brain show down,
Speaker 2: and so literally the left hemisphere of her brain shut down,
Speaker 2: so she couldn't read or write or discern numbers or
Speaker 2: she was obviously still alive and the right side of
Speaker 2: her brain was still as she calls it online, but
Speaker 2: the left side of her brain had gone offline, including
Speaker 2: I guess the amygdala which is the emotional epicenter of
Speaker 2: the brain where fear arises from, and all of that.
Speaker 2: And even though this horrible thing she was having a
Speaker 2: massive stroke, she said it was the most blissful, beautiful,
Speaker 2: amazing experience she'd ever had in her life.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then when she they were amazed that she
Speaker 2: lived because like, the whole left hemisphere is shut down,
Speaker 2: and then it took her years years of rehab and
Speaker 2: therapy and anyway, she did that amazing talk, amazing talk
Speaker 2: on TED. It's probably twelve years old now, my stroke
Speaker 2: of inside I think it's called. Yeah, but then we
Speaker 2: had her on the show and yeah, she was talking
Speaker 2: about which is no news, but you know how adaptable
Speaker 2: the brain is. You know neuroplasticity. We didn't know that,
Speaker 2: but now we know that the brain can. We used
Speaker 2: to think if the part of the brain that does,
Speaker 2: for example, find motor skills has damaged, then you're going
Speaker 2: to be fucked forever. But now we know that other
Speaker 2: parts of the brain can adapt to take on that role.
Speaker 2: But we didn't know how to train it. We didn't
Speaker 2: know how to train it. Now now you know, all
Speaker 2: the geniuses that operate in that space know how that works.
Speaker 1: I found it really interesting.
Speaker 3: I was talking to Kevin McGhee the Grand Prix Motors
Speaker 3: of Grand Prix Superstar yesterday and he.
Speaker 1: Had a brain injury and had to have a brain
Speaker 1: he's something. I think he had something taken out of
Speaker 1: his brain.
Speaker 3: I can't remember exactly, so he had an accident, how
Speaker 3: to take it out and when anyone was getting back
Speaker 3: on the bike in next to no time in a
Speaker 3: matter of months to race again.
Speaker 2: Was this on a show or just out and about
Speaker 2: you met him?
Speaker 3: No, this on a show because him and Ben Felt
Speaker 3: and the fastest blind man on a motorcycle are the
Speaker 3: guests at the event that I'm am seeing in a chooka.
Speaker 2: Can I just say, can I just say that term
Speaker 2: that sentence the fastest blind man on a motorcycle is
Speaker 2: maybe the most ridiculous sentence or unexpected sentence. How the
Speaker 2: fuck does a blind as somebody who rides motorbikes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it actually gets you into a fascinating and this
Speaker 3: is one of the things that fascinated me. So he
Speaker 3: did add to go do all this neurological testing to
Speaker 3: get preble to get back on the bike.
Speaker 1: They do all this like.
Speaker 3: Reaction time testing, and the eurologists is like, well, go
Speaker 3: get your gear on and get going because your reaction
Speaker 3: time is four times faster than the average human.
Speaker 1: And just thinking about that.
Speaker 3: To go what actually goes into becoming greater to sport?
Speaker 3: What do you really need to train? Do you really
Speaker 3: need to fang around a track or do you need
Speaker 3: to go? How do I best get a result in
Speaker 3: training my reaction time because that's what's getting me the
Speaker 3: wins on the track. And I think it's fascinating and
Speaker 3: same goes. One of the biggest things I was fascinated
Speaker 3: about was when I got back on my bike recently
Speaker 3: and I'm going around a bend and I'm observing myself
Speaker 3: going I don't know what I'm physically doing. It's funny
Speaker 3: because all I do is look where I want to go,
Speaker 3: and the bike goes there. Because that's just what's happening.
Speaker 3: But if I had to tell someone, if I had
Speaker 3: to tell Ben who's got no vision, how do you
Speaker 3: translate that?
Speaker 1: It's actually fascinating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. I mean that. That makes me nervous
Speaker 2: thinking about that.
Speaker 1: No, two hundred and seventy k's an hour.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's how fast he goes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two hundred and seventy one k's in our world
Speaker 3: record twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: They did it first time Kevin navigated him.
Speaker 3: He got his lefts and right it's wrong and sent
Speaker 3: him into a baile hay.
Speaker 2: Fuck that fuck that. I used to train Todd and
Speaker 2: Rick Kelly and Michael Caruso and James Moffatt who were
Speaker 2: the Nissan Motor Racing V Supercar team, right, and I
Speaker 2: used to go to their warehouse factory fucking high performance
Speaker 2: center in Brayside and they had this incredible gym there
Speaker 2: just for the drivers, Like, so four blokes, they've got
Speaker 2: this incredible gym. But they also had this which you've
Speaker 2: probably seen, this amazing thing on the wall, which is
Speaker 2: a reaction time training device. And so there's like all
Speaker 2: these let's just call them, big buttons on a wall
Speaker 2: that lights up, and so you've every time one lights up,
Speaker 2: you've got to hit it. So it's you would fucking
Speaker 2: this because you're ADHD and you're super You're like a
Speaker 2: fucking you're like a cat watching a mouse. You're like
Speaker 2: ready to spring. Right, Yeah, you would fucking love this,
Speaker 2: you'd because you'd be so high and you wouldn't get
Speaker 2: off it because you want to keep beating your time.
Speaker 2: But what it does is it it'll like I can't
Speaker 2: remember the number, but it might it might have light
Speaker 2: up like sixty times. And so one of the kind
Speaker 2: of it's almost like a you don't like the round
Speaker 2: blue lights on top of a cop car. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: half the size of that, maybe a third the size
Speaker 2: of that, but it lights up and you got to
Speaker 2: hit it. When you hit it, the next one will
Speaker 2: light up. When you hit that, the next one will
Speaker 2: light up and so on. So how long before the
Speaker 2: next one light lights up is determined by how quickly
Speaker 2: you hit the one before, right, So I think it's
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it's eighty eighty like it goes well.
Speaker 2: The first time it took me sixty five seconds and
Speaker 2: then sixty two seconds, and then you know, and then
Speaker 2: I think I was with I can't remember. It might
Speaker 2: have been Michael Caruso. Anyway, one of the drivers. They
Speaker 2: told me how it works, and I'm fucking around with it.
Speaker 2: I'm like a fucking dinosaur with boxing gloves on. And
Speaker 2: then then he jumped on and did all eighty or
Speaker 2: whatever it was in about like twenty two seconds, like
Speaker 2: it was as the moment that it lit up he
Speaker 2: touched it, and they're all lighting up in different spaces.
Speaker 2: It's like a one meter square maybe a bit bigger. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, yeah, this is so it is
Speaker 2: in answer to your question reaction time. But then you think, also,
Speaker 2: obviously you need skill, Obviously you need fucking big balls metaphorically,
Speaker 2: you know, like you need talk about equanimity, talk about chaos,
Speaker 2: like fucking ducing a bike is chaos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And in the.
Speaker 2: Middle of the in the middle of people trying to
Speaker 2: pass you outside inside undercut, you turn two, turn three,
Speaker 2: fucking straight, heavy braking, lean in, knee on the ground,
Speaker 2: elbow on. That's fucking chaos. And in the middle of
Speaker 2: all of that. You've got to be the opposite of chaotic.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There was one instance where he kept shifting to the
Speaker 3: left right and they couldn't figure it out. And what
Speaker 3: was happening was every time he had to do a
Speaker 3: gear change, so the pressure when he takes his foot off,
Speaker 3: puts it back on. And when you've got and this
Speaker 3: is the thing, when you got visual feedback, your body
Speaker 3: just does what the subconscious does what it does, and
Speaker 3: it's understanding. I love this because this is what I
Speaker 3: do with training boxing. All the time. People are there
Speaker 3: looking at things, controlling things, and I'm training the stuff
Speaker 3: that they're controlling but not controlling, and then trying to
Speaker 3: teach them by the methods of the things they do control.
Speaker 3: And so every time he shifts his the gears and
Speaker 3: takes pressure off both pedals and then puts it back on,
Speaker 3: he's shifted, you know, a couple of inches to the left,
Speaker 3: and like you do that on a track so many
Speaker 3: times and then next.
Speaker 1: Minute you're wait way too close to the wall.
Speaker 2: Fuck that that is just so terrifying the thought of
Speaker 2: a blind person riding a fucking high performance motorbike and
Speaker 2: they can't see what's going on.
Speaker 3: I will post the link to in the typ group too,
Speaker 3: and I'll send it to you. There's a link to
Speaker 3: the video of Heaven behind the bike as he's no no,
Speaker 3: I think it's on the dash of the bike that
Speaker 3: Ben's riding as he's doing this.
Speaker 1: And I watched it and I felt sick with nerves.
Speaker 1: You've just got the bike.
Speaker 3: You can feel the bike, you can see the bike shattering,
Speaker 3: and it's just like, oh, especially if you know what
Speaker 3: it feels like to ride a bike and you just
Speaker 3: see the gauge going up, and it's just insane.
Speaker 2: I tell you what. You don't want to have happened.
Speaker 2: Your colms to break down.
Speaker 1: That's happened. That's happened. He's done that.
Speaker 2: Fuck that you're heading into a corner and you phone
Speaker 2: go offline. You can't get that.
Speaker 3: He ends up so in tune with the look and that,
Speaker 3: like he said, by the time we've done however many
Speaker 3: laps around the track, and comms did drop out once
Speaker 3: or twice, it didn't matter because he knew exactly where
Speaker 3: he was on the track and on the circuit, and
Speaker 3: he said, I wish that I could get my vision
Speaker 3: back now, just because I'd be a much better writer
Speaker 3: because everything else is so heightened because it doesn't have
Speaker 3: the vision.
Speaker 2: So if we extrapolate everything that we've spoken about so far,
Speaker 2: you know what makes you know, what makes us a
Speaker 2: good learner, what makes a good teacher, what's the ideal
Speaker 2: environment to like some things are practical, but we need
Speaker 2: to do some theory before the prack. Tell me about
Speaker 2: teaching boxing. Tell me about what makes somebody a good
Speaker 2: student in the boxing space? Which students you feel like
Speaker 2: some sorry I'll shut up up to this, like some boxers.
Speaker 2: It seems to me like you can only learn boxing
Speaker 2: by doing it. Of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a process of I think, being able to
Speaker 3: really listen and understand to and get into your body.
Speaker 3: So it's about getting into your body. And for me,
Speaker 3: like I wasn't a natural at it, and that's why
Speaker 3: I love it so much, and I think that's what's
Speaker 3: made me very good at figuring it out and teaching
Speaker 3: it to others. Because when you can just do something,
Speaker 3: it's really hard to know, Like what we've just spoke about,
Speaker 3: if you're just good at something, you haven't analyt had
Speaker 3: to analyze all the different things that are getting in
Speaker 3: the way or out of the way of you being
Speaker 3: good at that thing. So boxing is we think we're
Speaker 3: making choices, but the choices we're making are happening before
Speaker 3: the movements, right, So by the time a glove moves towards.
Speaker 1: My face, there's not enough time for me to move
Speaker 1: out of the way.
Speaker 3: So what's actually happening is my subconscious is identified what
Speaker 3: happens before a punch, and I've trained that reaction. But
Speaker 3: where I think the choice is happening actually isn't where
Speaker 3: it's happening. So it's understanding what position do I have
Speaker 3: to be and how do I have to hold myself.
Speaker 1: If I hold myself in a.
Speaker 3: Different posture, the things that I choose to do will
Speaker 3: be different. So sometimes it's just it's just the way
Speaker 3: you hold your posture that's going to make you make
Speaker 3: a different choice. You can have the same amount of bravery,
Speaker 3: like if I, for example, if I stand really upright
Speaker 3: with my head up and my shoulders back, and someone
Speaker 3: throws a punch at my face, and even if I'm
Speaker 3: throwing a punch back at the same time, I will
Speaker 3: pull my head back and lift it up and out
Speaker 3: because the body will always keep you safe. So the
Speaker 3: body goes, shit, there's something coming to my face, Get up,
Speaker 3: get out.
Speaker 1: Whereas if I just.
Speaker 3: Engage my core, crouch down, round the shoulders forward, that
Speaker 3: same thing happens, and I will my head I know
Speaker 3: safe for that to punch me in the top of
Speaker 3: the head, and I will step forward and I will drop.
Speaker 3: My knees will drop, so I won't lift my head
Speaker 3: up and pull out. My knees will drop down and
Speaker 3: I'll throw a punch straight away. And that's that's not
Speaker 3: it's a choice, but it's not a choice. It happens
Speaker 3: despite what you want to do. And that's the frustrating
Speaker 3: part of boxing. Do you train, train, train, train, train,
Speaker 3: You get in the ring, you're stand in front of
Speaker 3: someone and everything you've trained for straight changes, and you're.
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck?
Speaker 3: Like I know what to do and now I'm not
Speaker 3: doing it. And then you've got to go to the
Speaker 3: drawing board and go, what's happening? How am I managing
Speaker 3: my anxiety? What's that doing in my pasture? Where's the
Speaker 3: actual what part of the chain of events is affecting
Speaker 3: what I want to do compared to what I'm doing?
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny how that stuff that we do
Speaker 2: on autopilot that we don't have time to go, oh,
Speaker 2: this is happening. Oh what's the appropriate response? Oh, you
Speaker 2: know what I'll do? Like there isn't that time. The
Speaker 2: other day, I was riding to the gym and I
Speaker 2: you know, I started riding motorbikes when I was five
Speaker 2: or six, and I started riding all the time on
Speaker 2: the road when I was eighteen, which is forty two
Speaker 2: years ago. And There's not really many days of my
Speaker 2: life where I'm not riding a motorbike. Right, So there's it,
Speaker 2: you know, which not say I'm the best rider in
Speaker 2: the world, but it is to say that I'm very
Speaker 2: very very very experienced, right. And it was funny because
Speaker 2: you know, when you're on a motorbike, you've got you know,
Speaker 2: you've got a front break with for those who don't know,
Speaker 2: you have a front brake and a back break, and
Speaker 2: the front brake is pulled in with your right hand.
Speaker 2: The clutch obviously where it is in a car, you know,
Speaker 2: but the clutch on a motorbike is the left lever,
Speaker 2: and then the gear changes at your left foot and
Speaker 2: the back wheel brake or the back brake is the
Speaker 2: right foot, and then you've got indicators left and right
Speaker 2: and canceling on your left thumb, and then you've got
Speaker 2: you know, fucking high beam also on your left thumb,
Speaker 2: and you you know bunch of things right, But you
Speaker 2: just ride along and you don't think about what you're doing.
Speaker 2: And the other day this lady just pulled out, just
Speaker 2: happened to be a lady like I was riding along
Speaker 2: Ludston Street. She just pulled out. She didn't see me,
Speaker 2: and I nearly fucking plowed into her. And if I
Speaker 2: wasn't paying attention, and I wasn't a good writer, I
Speaker 2: would have just ridden into her. And within I don't know,
Speaker 2: not one second. I would say, one tenth of one second,
Speaker 2: my thumb was on the horn and like, and I'd
Speaker 2: probably toot my horn on my motorbike once or twice
Speaker 2: a year. It's not like it's something like you yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's just so funny. This thing happens, and you're
Speaker 2: straight away reacting, and then all of a sudden she
Speaker 2: realized she was just pulling in front of a vehicle,
Speaker 2: which was me on my vehicle, and it all turned
Speaker 2: out okay, and obviously she wasn't I trying to kill me,
Speaker 2: but she almost did. I was thinking when I got
Speaker 2: to the gym, I was thinking, if that wasn't me,
Speaker 2: if that was someone who got their license two weeks ago,
Speaker 2: that would have been.
Speaker 1: Messy, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And that's what my biggest fit, that was the biggest
Speaker 3: cause for my nerves and anxiety getting back on was
Speaker 3: the realizing in the moment that I didn't have that
Speaker 3: that wasn't automatic.
Speaker 1: For a while, that I didn't have those automatic.
Speaker 3: I was thinking so hard about the controls of the
Speaker 3: bike that including traffic and all of the other things
Speaker 3: I need to focus on. I was like this, this
Speaker 3: is too much of my head.
Speaker 2: But you know what's great. I mean, we know that,
Speaker 2: like one of the things that gets spoken about a
Speaker 2: lot is not enough, and I think needs to be
Speaker 2: spoken about more. But increasingly we're talking about improving cognitive
Speaker 2: function as we get older. Right, And this is going
Speaker 2: to be this is going to sound like a stretch,
Speaker 2: but I absolutely mean it while writing, and I'm fully
Speaker 2: acknowledging everyone motorcycles in general, it's not a safe hobby.
Speaker 2: I recognize that. But also Tip Scott full writing gear
Speaker 2: with body armor in a great helmet, great gloves and
Speaker 2: all of that. So as protected as you can be,
Speaker 2: she is. But apart from having fun, and apart from
Speaker 2: the brain chemistry that's going on, and apart from you know,
Speaker 2: just the fucking thrill factor, Like, it's actually cognitively enhancing
Speaker 2: because you've had to retrain your brain to become very
Speaker 2: familiar with this thing that you'd become less familiar with,
Speaker 2: and to retrain your brain around these new skills. Right,
Speaker 2: even the automaticness of what I was talking about before
Speaker 2: with horn, the indicator, the light's lib lot, low beam,
Speaker 2: high beam, break clutch, you know, front break, back break, Like,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're using this new language with
Speaker 2: your body, this new language, these new skills, and for
Speaker 2: you to get from A to B, you need to
Speaker 2: become very good at this language of riding this thing
Speaker 2: and interacting and becoming one with this thing. So the
Speaker 2: biology and the technology kind of merged, the technology of
Speaker 2: the motorbike and the biology of the human. And it
Speaker 2: sounds bullshit, but you watch someone who's great. It's just
Speaker 2: one unit moving, it's not some blob sitting awkwardly on
Speaker 2: top of this missile it's like this fucking I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's this synthesis of technology and biology and performance. And
Speaker 2: if you ride, you get that. You know, when you
Speaker 2: first get back on a bike, you're the blob. Yes,
Speaker 2: You're the awkward blob. Yes.
Speaker 3: And there were days when I would get on it
Speaker 3: and feel it, one with.
Speaker 1: It and be like, awesome, we're there.
Speaker 3: And then another day where I'd get on and I'll
Speaker 3: be a bit clunky and a bit rusty on the
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what is going on?
Speaker 1: And the moment I felt like that, I was very overthinking.
Speaker 3: I was trying to control it, like controlling the punch
Speaker 3: in a boxing ring. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's so important as we get older that
Speaker 2: we consciously and I know I say this a lot,
Speaker 2: but I think people don't really get it, Like I
Speaker 2: need to be careful what I say here now. But
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with my mum and
Speaker 2: dad lately, and you know, obviously they're in their mid
Speaker 2: eighties and obviously there's going to be cognitive decline, and
Speaker 2: I get all of that, but you know, I went
Speaker 2: out to dinner with them on Sunday night and there
Speaker 2: was this old dude there and he's eighty six or
Speaker 2: eighty seven, like fucking hell, his brain was like a
Speaker 2: sharp fifty year old And I was talking to him
Speaker 2: and he still works, like he has a farm and
Speaker 2: he's still And I'm not saying we should all be
Speaker 2: working mid eighties. But the point is not that he works.
Speaker 2: The point is that he's constantly using his brain. He's
Speaker 2: constantly solving problems. He's constantly having to do things, make decisions,
Speaker 2: manage things, coordinate things, create plans, make hard decisions, take action,
Speaker 2: create outcomes, adapt and adjust. And because he's you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure part of its biology, but for sure part
Speaker 2: of its lifestyle and behavior. And then I look at
Speaker 2: people with respect who basically just hang up the gloves,
Speaker 2: you know, at a certain age, and really don't do
Speaker 2: consciously do anything to keep their brain firing. They just
Speaker 2: kind of metaphorically or perhaps literally, just retire to the couch.
Speaker 2: And no, we don't need to all work until we're
Speaker 2: eighty five, and we don't need to be you know,
Speaker 2: curing cancer and joining the space program. But to realize that,
Speaker 2: just like you need to walk and move and try
Speaker 2: to retain some physical strength, you've got to use your
Speaker 2: fucking brain, because if you don't, it's going to fall apart,
Speaker 2: you know. So I think that lifelong learning is such
Speaker 2: a crucial component but overall health.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was training Mark the other day, and one
Speaker 3: of my favorite things about that is like he comes
Speaker 3: in at sixty six years old, often mentioning that he's
Speaker 3: sixty six years old with shittyknes that don't work and
Speaker 3: can't this and can't that. And one of our recent conversations,
Speaker 3: he was like, you know, one is just managing his emotions.
Speaker 3: It's like he manages his emotions differently. He goes like,
Speaker 3: I'm angry.
Speaker 1: A need more. I deal with emotions differently.
Speaker 3: And also the way he can walk out on stage
Speaker 3: when he has nerves. He goes like, the way I
Speaker 3: manage nerves and manage going on stage has transformed. And
Speaker 3: he looks around him at people in around his age group,
Speaker 3: and he sees the decline and now he's not bound
Speaker 3: by that.
Speaker 2: M It's great.
Speaker 1: It's the best.
Speaker 2: I mean. And also we're talking about Mark Seymour, everyone
Speaker 2: from Hunters and Collectors, who now is doing his own
Speaker 2: solo thing and just an album called The Boxer out now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, he's he does not move like
Speaker 2: a guy whose next big birthday is seventy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sixty eight, settled down. No next big day.
Speaker 2: That big birthday, Yes, sixty seven now, isn't he yeah
Speaker 2: sixty eight? Yeah, And he moves like a forty five
Speaker 2: year old. Forty year old, and I mean a good
Speaker 2: forty forty five like on stage and his energy and
Speaker 2: also you know how when some singers get old, their
Speaker 2: voice gets shit got better? Voice is the same or
Speaker 2: better better?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it's been good. I've learned a lot. I've
Speaker 2: learned a.
Speaker 1: Lot me too. You must have ticked the box on
Speaker 1: my learning style.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I do my very best. Well, I hope
Speaker 2: you get better. You've been a little bit shit, you've
Speaker 2: been a bit crooked, but you did rock up. You
Speaker 2: didn't wing or sook once, So fucking.
Speaker 1: Win out.
Speaker 2: We're hanging out with me. It's therapeutic, isn't it?
Speaker 1: True story?
Speaker 2: Let's be honest. Yeah, I mean I'm like a big
Speaker 2: fucking pill.
Speaker 1: With it here.
Speaker 3: I am just taking my medicine, rocking up and taking
Speaker 3: my medicine.
Speaker 2: Have you noticed how short my hair is? I just
Speaker 2: got back from Danny the barber?
Speaker 1: Oh, well done, Danny looking sharp harps.
Speaker 2: Danny the barber speak. I'm going to lead with this,
Speaker 2: Danny the speaking of intelligence. Like this dude. You know
Speaker 2: those people that you just want to be around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this guy like his I mean, obviously it's his own business,
Speaker 2: so and he does great and hiss, but his social, emotional,
Speaker 2: situational intelligence it's off the scale. When I go in,
Speaker 2: it's like he's just met his best friend that he
Speaker 2: hasn't seen for twenty years. His energy is crazy. And
Speaker 2: this sounds weird, but even when he puts his hands
Speaker 2: on you, like when he will touch his shoulder or
Speaker 2: he'll touch your neck because he's shaving this or cutting
Speaker 2: that or trimming that, it's just funny. It's one of
Speaker 2: those people. I like being around him and every time,
Speaker 2: and he doesn't do this for every time I go in.
Speaker 2: I overpay him every time. And even though I overpay
Speaker 2: by quite a lot, every time, I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: getting the better deal. And it's like I'm only going
Speaker 2: there forty percent for the haircut, Yeah, it's sixty percent
Speaker 2: for the experience. Yeah, And that dude he is there's
Speaker 2: a kind of intelligence that he has that you cannot teach.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. That's a kid.
Speaker 3: That's a good point to make to anyone that's running
Speaker 3: their own business or thing.
Speaker 2: Whether or not you're a personal trainer or a barber,
Speaker 2: or an accountants or a fucking podcaster. Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: can be the person that people love to be around
Speaker 2: because of your energy and your mindset, you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's contagious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love.
Speaker 2: There are some people I love being around. He's one
Speaker 2: I often walk past because it's one hundred meters away.
Speaker 2: I just go in and give him a hug. We
Speaker 2: fucking hug each other. I go, hey, y'ar mate, He's
Speaker 2: like good, and then I walk out. He goes, love you.
Speaker 2: I gotta love you, mate.
Speaker 3: I just keep walking And do you go and buy
Speaker 3: hair growth supplements so that you can get more haircuts
Speaker 3: so your hair growth faster.
Speaker 2: I tell you what I do do when I'm getting
Speaker 2: what I do do when I'm getting a coffee. I
Speaker 2: often walk up there and ask him if he wants one,
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because I want. You know, he's cutting head
Speaker 2: like a motherfucker, and he's you know, sometimes he's probably
Speaker 2: on his feet doing that. Like I often go past,
Speaker 2: there's three people waiting I'm like, when does this guy
Speaker 2: have a wheel, or a pool or a sandwich. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine that. Oh sorry everyone, I'm just going to
Speaker 2: go have a shit. I'll be back in six minutes.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about that. That's something for everyone to
Speaker 2: think about as we close out another episode of The
Speaker 2: Youth Project. Thanks Tim, Thanks helps Boom