WEBVTT - Sharri | 5 November 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:08.080 Why on Sky News Bits and Sharry Good Evening. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:08.600 Welcome. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:13.120 It's now officially November five, Election Day in the United States. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.079 It's just gone four am on the East coast, one 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.239 am on the West. Voting will get underway in a 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:23.120 couple of hours time, and when we sit here tomorrow night, 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:28.040 this time we'll know whether Donald Trump is president or 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:32.000 Kamala Harris or if it's too close to call, with. 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:33.080 A final countdown. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.240 Now on, we have big coverage on the show tonight, 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.320 Miranda Devine joins us from New York. She slams the 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.319 media coverage of Trump. She says it's even worse than 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.760 at the last election. She also accuses the Democrats of 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:51.680 putting Trump backers in jail. Plus concerns already about voter 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.920 fraud in Pennsylvania. I'll speak about this with Annalise Nilsen 0:00:56.080 --> 0:01:00.120 in Washington, and we'll get final predictions from Brnwin, Bishop 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:04.600 Kayla Bond and more. Also on the show tonight, James 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:08.240 Patterson will be on live as the Albanese government admits 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:12.679 it is canceled a Palestinian visa over security concerns. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.119 Also coming up, the ABC. 0:01:15.200 --> 0:01:20.720 Finally admits it faked gunshots as it pursued. Heston Russell, 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.760 a decorated former military commander, will speak with me about 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.520 this later, but first tonight to a major story that 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:34.800 the Albanezy government has given sixteen point eight million dollars 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:39.920 in taxpayer funds for social cohesion to many groups that 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:46.040 have promoted racism, anti Semitism and extremism. The Alberaneze government 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:51.000 pretends to care about these issues, but it's simply lip service. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:52.560 It's a lie. 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:58.760 In fact, it's quite the opposite. They're actually financially supporting 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:04.960 groups that are peddling racism, conspiracy theories, are promoting extremism. 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:10.040 This finding was meant to be for combating racism, Islamophobia, 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:16.200 misinformation and disinformation sixteen million dollars. Yet one of the 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:19.799 groups that's received funding from the Albanese government is the 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.519 Lebanese Muslim Association. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:23.680 Home Affairs gave this. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.080 Group one point sixty five million dollars in March this 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:33.400 year for supposedly their work promoting social cohesion one point 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:34.919 six million dollars. 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:36.799 This is the group that. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.280 On October eighth last year, so that Israel did not 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:44.600 have the right to defend itself just hours after the 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:50.200 terror attacks, when entire families were slaughtered in their beds 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.040 and hundreds were kidnapped. 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:54.600 Not one word of sorrow for. 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:59.840 All the innocent people killed that day or the day before. 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.760 Just two days earlier, Albanezi and Tony Burke had met 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.960 with the group, as you can see in this picture here, 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.120 and this Muslim group also joined with his book Career 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.280 to hold a rally on the one year anniversary of 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:17.720 the October seven attacks. Well, here was James Patterson in 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:23.160 Satured Estimates, asking why this group deserves one point six 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:27.400 million dollars in our taxpayer funds. 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:32.280 This is, of course a rally on the anniversary of 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:34.520 the largest loss of Jewish life since the Holocaust, which 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.880 the Prime Minister himself said shouldn't proceed. So again is 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.600 the Lebanese Muslim Association who's involved in promoting events like 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.320 this and appropriate recipient of a grant like that. 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:49.680 But there was no apology for this funding, just excuses 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.960 from Labor Minister Murray wat We'll take one. 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.520 Notice those details, but I'd remind you that on numerous 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.960 occasions the Prime Minister and Minister Burke and other member 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.320 of our government have contempt condemned a range of hateful 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:09.559 remarks made by a range of people concerning what's happening. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:13.200 In the Middle East, and the Albaneze government gave another 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.440 group called Palestinian Christians in Australia more than half a 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.280 million dollars in September this year, and here's Tony Burke 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.919 meeting with the group back in December. But instead of 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:30.360 promoting social cohesion, one official from the group has posted 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:34.599 anti submitted conspiracies that the wall was never about her 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:37.400 muss it was all about gas reserves. 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:39.320 What rubbish. 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.600 And a member of the group also shared a hateful 0:04:41.760 --> 0:04:47.520 offensive post claiming that Zionism is a continuation of Nazism 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.320 and that the Palestinians are the final victims of a holocaust. Well, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.200 James Patterson provided further evidence about this group that's received 0:04:56.360 --> 0:05:00.000 half a million dollars in taxpayer funds in senate estimates. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:05.800 The treasurer of this organization posted it on Instagram. I 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.400 can't prepat these words on handside because it would be unparliamentary. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:13.839 But she uses expletives about Israel. She said it's almost 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.760 over for you roll. The whole world knows, they know 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.720 your monsters, and that's putting it likely. 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:21.880 F Israel. It's almost over for you. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.360 This doesn't sound like a group that should be receiving 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.120 taxpay of funds for social cohesion. 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.000 James Patterson went on. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:36.240 This treasurer of this association also posted the ALKACM logo 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.640 targeting similar the inverted red triangle, along with the captions 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.080 you poked, you pushed, you produdgt, you provoked, you played victim, 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:46.480 you deserve to pay, You parasitic pariah, pretty clearly endorsing 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.440 violence and terrorism against star of Israel. Is that an 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:52.479 appropriate thing to post? 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.719 Same answer as before, and as you saw their Labor 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:03.880 Senator Murray what was on his phone messaging, playing, doing 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:06.600 something with his phone. He was barely listening. He didn't 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:09.760 bother to answer the question. He just said, same answer 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.760 as before. Well, here's that post that James Patterson just 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:17.440 spoke about, and you can clearly see the red inverted 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:21.120 triangle which symbolizes from us with the words and they 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:22.680 might be a bit small for you, but the words 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.560 say you play victim, you deserve to pay. And as 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.799 you saw, and let's play that again. When Labor Minister Murray, 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.640 what was asked about this? He just sat looking at 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:39.760 his phone doesn't murray, what care that taxpayer funds are 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:45.120 going to organizations where some senior officials promote extremism and 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:49.080 racism when those funds are meant to be for helping 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.880 social cohesion in Australia. I mean, it's utterly absurd, It 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.680 makes no sense. And there are many, many more examples, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.640 like the Albaneze government giving a group called Sydney Community 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.120 Connect Ink one hundred and ten thousand dollars. That's despite 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:10.400 the fact it had promoted a fundraising event with none 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.840 other than Shaike Ibraham Dudoun, who, as you just saw. 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:14.679 Said this. 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:18.560 That's a day of courage. 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:23.239 And another speaker that Sydney Community connect promoted was Ahmed Bassal, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:27.320 who has posted conspiracies about Jews on his social media. 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:32.760 He claimed that they run the Biden administration. Jews make 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.280 up less than two percent of the population of your country, 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:38.720 but they hold every senior level cabinet position in the 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:45.560 Biden administration except Secretary of Defense. Well again, James Patterson 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:50.000 quite rightly interrogated the government officials about this. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.640 Has some comments alongside that about how terrible it is 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.960 that Jewish Zionists have taken over the US governments. Is 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.120 that an appropriate person to receiving a social cohesion grant. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:08.560 So, Senator, what we are, what we were looking for, 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:13.160 was organizations with track records of supporting their community, those 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.280 with whom we have worked. We will take on notice 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.440 the issues that you're raising today and come back to 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.520 with more detail on due diligence. 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:25.800 And that's Stephanie Foster. By the way. 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:30.560 The Albanezi government appointed her as Home Affairs Secretary after 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.040 sacking Mike Pizzulo, and she's the same official who took 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:39.000 down the Australian flags from the website in what amounts 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:43.720 to a clear case of council culture. And all this money, 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:46.960 by the way, the sixteen million dollars for social cohesion 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:52.440 was rushed out the door, as Stephanie Foster herself admitted. 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.559 And we were trying to operate pretty quickly, just money out. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:04.480 James Patterson spent twenty one minutes grilling the officials on 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.960 this topic, and the entire time he was given bureaucratic, 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.720 nonsensical non answers. None of those present could give any 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:19.840 explanation for why sixteen point eight million dollars in taxpayer 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:25.359 funds were given to groups that promoted extremism and anti semitism. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:29.120 This is a fairly important question because a part of 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.240 the rationale for some of this funding was the promotion 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.679 of social cohesion, and it would be deeply ironic if 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:39.320 taxpayers money went instead to groups who are undermining social cohesion, 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.920 rather than promoting social cohesions. I'd like to know what 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.440 due diligence the department or the government did to make 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.160 sure that that wasn't the case, that no taxpayers money 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:53.880 went to organizations promoting disharmony or extremism. We can take 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.959 you're not able to tell me about those processes now. 0:09:59.240 --> 0:10:01.439 I think mischanting. You said you take it on notice center. 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:07.280 So how and why these groups were given millions of 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.439 dollars in funding, Well, no one can say, Labor minister Murray, 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:14.840 what looks down at his phone? The officials can't answer, 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.760 even though the Home Affairs Secretary is sitting right there. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.080 And by the way, there was no competitive tender for 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:27.520 these grants, no independent process. The groups were hand picked 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.880 for the millions of dollars in funding they received by 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:34.720 the Albanzi government ministers, and some of them were even 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:40.360 approached and invited to apply by labor ministers now, either 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:44.080 the Home Affairs Department and the Albanzi government are so 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.840 incompetent that they didn't do any proper checks before handing 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:52.200 out cash. Cash that's meant to fix social cohesion and 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.600 to combat misinformation, yet it was given to groups that 0:10:55.720 --> 0:11:01.280 promote her Mausk symbols and global conspiracies. So either they're 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:06.440 deeply incompetent, or they know but simply don't care that 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:10.920 they're funding groups that fuel conspiracies and extremism. 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:12.520 It's one or the other. 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:18.120 Incompetence or they're happy to perpetuate racism with taxpayer funds. 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:25.920 Maybe they can take that question on Notice two and 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:30.040 let's bring in shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson right now, James, 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:34.520 it goes without saying that you are single handedly holding 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.440 much of the Albanesi government to account. You've done a 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.840 sensational job on many topics over the past two days. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:44.440 On this issue, do you think this is just utter 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:49.079 disregard for the rise in extremism in social cohesion that's 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.640 eroding on our streets. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.120 Or do you think this is a case of incompetence. 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.640 Sharry, the Labor Party under Anthony Alberanezi has handed nearly 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.400 tens of millions of dollars to extrememists, to hate preachers, 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:03.920 to anti Israel radicals and to anti Semites. 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.040 That can't be by accident. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.400 It is either through complete ill care for the spending 0:12:09.400 --> 0:12:11.840 of taxpayer money and no concern for the implications for 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.920 our country, or it is a calculated attempt. I think 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.000 that what the root of this problem is that the 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:19.600 Lay Party is far more concerned about their own political 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.600 interest than the national interest, because in addition to handing 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:26.319 out this taxpayer money for social cohesion to extremists, they 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.880 also happen to hand them out to organizations. 0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:29.920 In labor seats. 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.400 In fact, seventy eight percent of the grants given out 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.360 so far have been to labor seats. All of those 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.080 seats are either under siege by the Greens all the 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.840 Muslim Votes Matter movement. So it seems like their political 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.080 interest to taking precedency over the national interest, and unfortunately 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.080 that's what we've come to expect from Labour under Antthon Galbanese, 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:50.280 and particularly in this portfolio under Tony Burke. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:52.880 It is so deeply disappointing. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.839 James Patterson, we've also seen the admission that one Palestinian 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.800 who was given a VS fast tracked visa by the 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.400 Albanesi government has now been moved to unshold detention. Their 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:09.560 visa has been revoked, we're told on character grounds, but 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.760 no proper explanation about why this person was given a 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.480 visa in the first place and why it's now been canceled. 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.040 You're right, Charry. 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.439 For months now, the government has been assuring us that 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.720 all the necessary checks have taken place, that there should 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.600 be no concerns about any of the three thousand tourist 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.560 visas handed out to Gaza residents who were seeking to 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.960 come to this country, and that there was nothing to fear. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.800 But they've now been forced to admit that one person 0:13:35.160 --> 0:13:37.760 on shore has had their visa canceled on character grounds. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.400 And what that means is that person was granted a visa, 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.040 has come to our country and either they've gone on 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.160 to do something horrific in our community or a new 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.680 piece of information has come to light about something that 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.160 they've done in their past. Now, either way, it's not 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.760 good for the Albanezi government because they assured us that 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.439 all the necessary checks took place, that they weren't being reckless, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.920 that they didn't take any risks. But when you do 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.080 as they did in this instance, refer two six hundred 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:06.480 visas from Gaza to Asio on a single day and 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.920 ask them to vet them, including after many of them 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:11.120 had already been issued and many of them had already 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.840 traveled to Australia, it is bound to end into years. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:15.000 And I fear that's what's happened to you. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:16.080 Now. 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.640 I understand that you've also raised concerns that the Home 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.800 Affairs Minister could be driving a vehicle, that it's potentially 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.240 the case that it could have a listening device. Inate 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.400 can you tell us what your concerns are and why 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.680 you have made these comments. 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.920 So? Yesterday and Senator Estimate shari I asked the Department 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:40.440 of Home Affairs to explain the potential national and cybersecurity 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:44.880 risks from internet connected electric vehicles made in China, and 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:46.840 they stepped through some of the risks. They said it 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:50.200 was possible for these evs to listen to the occupants 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.280 while they're in the car. They said it was possible 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:54.720 for these evs to track the movements of that person 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.120 as they drive through our cities and our states. They 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:59.840 said that it was possible for the external cameras on 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.360 these vehicles to be recording other people and for that 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.840 to be transmitted back to the owners. And they also 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.440 said that if you plugged in an external device into 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:11.000 that car, like a mobile phone, you could be compromising 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.600 that device. I then asked them whether or not that 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:15.560 briefed the Minister for Home Affairs on this issue. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:17.200 They said that briefed him multiple times. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.000 And then I asked them why it was the fact 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:22.160 that Tony Burke is driving an Internet connected smart EV 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:25.520 vehicle and they looked at their shoes, they looked at 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:27.640 their floor, at the floor, they looked at the roof 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.280 to avoid answering the question, but eventually had to admit, yes, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:33.520 our Minister for Home Affairs and Cybersecurity is driving around 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.920 in a car that is a potential listing device for 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:37.120 the Chinese Communist Party. 0:15:37.800 --> 0:15:41.320 Look unbelievable admissions that you've managed to extract and multiple 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.680 issues at Senate Estimates this week. James Patterson, thank you 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:48.680 for your time and let's bringing now Sky News host 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:51.840 Kayla Bonden from a Speaker of the House Brunwin Bishop 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:54.360 terrific to see both of you on the well the 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:55.160 eve or the. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:56.440 Start of this US election. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:01.080 Really, Look, we have seen criticism of Donald Trump for 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.680 being off message in the final critical week of the campaign, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.960 but he's told a journalist that apparently this is a 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.480 deliberate strategy, and he calls it the weave. Have a look, 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:13.880 he is. 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:17.280 Out there, you know, talking about putting guns in Liz 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.960 Cheney's face, the Madison Square Garden rally, all that that 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.000 had and I said that there are that he's not disciplined, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:25.880 he doesn't have a message, and he. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:26.640 Was upset with that. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.960 He said the weave, that's what he calls it when 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.480 he bounces around. Is why he got elected president. 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.560 So Romin this is interesting because you know, Trump has 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:39.480 said some utterly, you know, indefensible things in the past 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.720 few days, but he claims. 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:45.480 It's a strategy that works. As we just heard there. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:46.240 What do you think. 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.640 I don't really think many of them metter very much. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.440 But I do think what meted was allowing that comedian 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.400 to Israelly who said that Puerto Rican's the Puerto Rico 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:03.960 was garbage because that got a bad bunny who has 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:10.280 forty five million followers. Tremendously popular Puerto Rican singer songwriter 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:17.560 well regarded influencing three hundred thousand Puerto Rican voters in Pennsylvania. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:19.120 That matters. 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.639 As for the rest of it, I think we've become 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.240 used to hearing the different ways that Donald Trump speaks. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.879 We've been listening to it since twenty twenty two in 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.600 this last iteration, or even before, of course, well even 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.520 before he's been at it since twenty twenty two in 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:39.320 this iteration. So I think a lot of people have 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:44.440 factored it in. I think that people are not influenced 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.200 by it particularly, but I think they are influenced by 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:51.920 the question he asks, are you better off now than 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:53.440 you were four years ago? 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:56.199 That is right on message? 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.320 I mean, and if I can just add immigration, right 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:02.359 on message one percent. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.280 But I think that was you know, that journalist's point 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.920 that he should have been sticking to his core messages. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.680 But we've seen this scattered approach in the Republican campaign. 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:16.920 I mean, Caleb, we even saw Bizarly Tucker Carlson say 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.680 that blame abortions for hurricanes. I mean, they should all 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.920 of the key Republican figures who have a big following 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.359 should be saying sensible things are on message and not 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.520 these wacky things like blaming abortion for hurricanes. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.040 Well, yes, I mean that is patently bizarre, right what 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.520 Trump is doing now. Look, the reality is there's no 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:40.840 one sitting at home in America right now. I mean, 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.600 I know it's the middle of the night, but there's 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.520 no one sitting at home in America going, Am I 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.600 going to vote for Trump or Harris? If you're voting 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.080 on a policy point of view, or you're just in 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:53.280 team Red or team Blue, you've already decided that you're 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.600 going to vote and who you're going to vote for. 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.080 You've got a cohort of people who don't know whether 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.520 they're going to vote or not. You're not going to 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.080 win them over on policy because they've had a long 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.359 time to work out what the candidate's policies are. The 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.040 game that Trump is playing now is to get those 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.840 who are left behind, or those who are not necessarily 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.080 going to go out and vote, to go and vote. 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.720 He can't appeal to them on policy. He appeals to 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.480 them by being Donald Trump and saying, look, come on, 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.040 you've got to come out and vote. He's being an entertainer. 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:24.560 That's what he's doing now, because that's the last ditch 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.920 effort to get extra votes in that ballot box because 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:29.520 talking policy now ain't going to. 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.280 Change it because it cuts through the more outrageous the 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.560 more his comments get played. Want to get final predictions 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.000 from both of you. Bronwin, what do you think? How 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:39.119 is this election going to go? 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:40.720 I think Trump will win. 0:19:42.440 --> 0:19:45.639 And I think I don't think it'll take forever to 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:46.480 find out either. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:48.320 What do you think, Hayla yep? 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.159 I think it'll be Trump. Look as to whether we 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:52.160 know tomorrow and night are in the next few days, 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:56.200 who knows, But I suspect there is still a strong, 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:59.920 silent Trump vote out there that we haven't seen much 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:02.199 in the polling, and that he will do better than 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:03.240 the polls have told us. 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:05.679 Yeah, I don't know whether what factoring in. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:06.359 None of us know. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:08.680 We're told this still on a knife edge because people 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.960 will repeat it at nitem, but we don't know how 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.840 much those polls have actually been used as campaigning tools 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.200 because many of them belong and are affiliated to political movements. 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:23.520 So I think there are I think it's been dishonest 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.960 a lot of those polls, and I think the shy 0:20:27.040 --> 0:20:28.200 voter is still a factor. 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.560 I actually speak about that phenomenon, the shy voter with 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:33.960 Miranda Devine a bit later, and she says it's now 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.000 the frightened Trump voter. 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:37.560 As opposed to the shy voter. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.800 I want to ask you both about domestic politics now. 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.600 It has actually been a full week since the Prime 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:48.600 Minister Anthony Alberezi had a press conference. Now the opposition 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.080 isn't going hard in question time on the Quantus upgrades 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:54.960 scandal because they've had a few issues of their own. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.119 But clearly he's still worried about it. Otherwise he would 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.960 be fronting the media. What do you think, Brnwin, Well, 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:05.000 he's in a dilemma, isn't he dead? He spun his 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:09.639 boy from Struggle Street done good. I understand what the 0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:13.320 ordinary people are going through. And then he's cozied up 0:21:13.359 --> 0:21:16.240 with Alan Joyce and we've had the upgrades, and we've 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.159 had the support for the Yes case. 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:21.280 We've bought the four point three million dollar house, which 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.920 tells a lot of people you've lost touch. 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:25.679 You may have started off. 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:29.080 Here and this was your story, but you have now 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.359 moved away from us. And I think that's going to 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:36.679 be very difficult for him to shift, because that is 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:40.720 something that mister Dutton can really hone in on. It's 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.560 a message that will resonate with a lot of people 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.720 who are working hard, not being able to pay their mortgage. 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:48.120 And then we've got the. 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.959 Snake charmer telling us it's all wonderful, really, it's all fixed, 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.280 it's all going to be roses on the way ahead 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.520 when they know it's not for them. So that's the 0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.520 biggest dilemma I think they've got with that problem, the 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.560 fact Transport Minister he's seems to have perhaps been in 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:08.080 breach of the Ministerial Code and the Qatar decision thrown 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:08.800 in for good measure. 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.240 A lot of questions still on the guitar decision and 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:12.840 whether he spoke to anyone. 0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.359 In Quantus or not. Caleb. 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:17.320 I think Albertiz is messaging that we've heard this week 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.919 that the worst of the cost of living crisis is behind. 0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:25.000 Australia is incredibly dangerous. People see him the cliff Top mansion, 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:28.119 they hear about the upgrades, they hear him saying everyone's 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.320 doing fine, when the reality isn't the case, as we 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:33.280 heard from the IRBA governor today. 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:35.359 I mean, he can spin it any way he wants, 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.840 but has anyone seen their power bill go down in 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.760 the last month. Has anyone seen their grocery bill go 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.280 down in the last month. Has anyone seen their petrol 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:45.400