1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gatigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: people of the Eur Nation. Hello and welcome to the 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. I'm Joe Hildebrand and this 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: is the real story behind one. Why Paul Keating is 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 1: still going ballistic about China almost thirty years after he 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: stopped being Prime Minister. What is making him say crazier 7 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: and crazier things. I will have all the background to 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: that from sources who know the guy better than the 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: guy knows himself. Also, we'll talk about how a labor 10 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: counselor in the UK ended up calling for protesters' throats 11 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: to be cut. Yes, he not only called for them 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: to be killed, but specified the very manner in. 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 2: Which they were to be killed. 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: And as Donald Trump lost his mojo, we'll be chatting 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: to our very special guest, Paul Murray about what next 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:01:04,759 Speaker 1: in the Trump versus Harris showdown extravaganza. First up this week, 17 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: the great Man PJK. Paul John Keating, the boy from 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: Banks Down, my favorite prime minister by a country mile. 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: China just triggers him. He is all in with China. 20 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: He made his sort of reputation as Prime Minister on 21 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 1: pivoting towards Asia and Indonesia as well. There were some 22 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: controversies there, of course, given the history with these team more. 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: But he's all in with Asia, he says, No, you know, 24 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 1: uk Us, you're all just sort of colonial or imperial 25 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: sort of you know, historical backwaters. Now our future, Australia's 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: future lies with Asia, and that's all very good and 27 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: forward thinking. And it was kind of fine then with 28 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: China when we thought China was liberalizing both economically and 29 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: maybe even politically, but of course that has all gone 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:51,919 Speaker 1: completely in the opposite direction. Now is Jijiping, who's declared 31 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: himself leader for life, so he's basically a dictator. He's 32 00:01:55,480 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: in a card carrying Marxist that Keating has absolutely's cloriated 33 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: anyone who has dared to challenge China's power in the region, 34 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: challenge China's ability to do whatever they want. And a 35 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: few days ago on the ABC's seven point thirty, he 36 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: did exactly that. He savaged the Albanese labor government that's right, 37 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: his own color, his own brand, and he savaged Foreign 38 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: Minister Penny Wog. He savaged the Orcus agreement, the security 39 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: packed with Australia the UK and the US, and he 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: went absolutely ballistic comparing Taiwan to Tasmania. 41 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: Have a listen, if we didn't have an aggressive ally 42 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: like the United States, there'll be no body attacking Australia. 43 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 3: What this is all about is the Chinese laying claim 44 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: to Taiwan, and the Americans are going to say no, no, 45 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: We're going to keep these Taiwan and these people protected 46 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 3: even though they've got their sitting on Chinese real estate. 47 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 4: Let me make the analogy. 48 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: It would be like the China is saying to us, look, 49 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 3: we think Tasmania has been forgotten and poorly treated for 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: many years. We want to keep the sea route down 51 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: the east coast of Australia through Bass, straight across to 52 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 3: Perth and the Indian Ocean open. So we're going to 53 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: put some frigates there and we will economically support the 54 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: Tasmanian people should they wish to secede from Australia. The 55 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 3: Albanese government and their policy is likely to turn Australia 56 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 3: into the fifty first state of the United States. 57 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: So again, what is it about China that sets poor 58 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: Keating off well. One possible reason is that he had 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: a few years ago a role as an adviser to 60 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: one of the big Chinese banks. He's had on the 61 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: advisory board. So is there something financial in it. I 62 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: spoke to a couple of people who were from a 63 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: colleagues of Keating, people who love Poor Keating, people are 64 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: friends with Poor Keating, and they say, while he's completely 65 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: wrong on this, they don't think it's money. They think 66 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: it's legacy. They think it is poor Keating trying to 67 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: defend his move away from the US, away from the 68 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: UK and towards Asia, which might have been the right 69 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: move at the time. But it's not just Paul Keating. 70 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: It is all of labor. All of Labor has this 71 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: incredibly strong attachment to or connection with China, dating back 72 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: more than half a century. White Well, it was the 73 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: Labor Party that basically kind of became the first government 74 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: to actually recognize China way back in nineteen seventy two. 75 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: GoF Whitlam as opposition leader then was the first leader 76 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: of a major Western political party to say they would 77 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: recognize it and to meet with Mao Zedong chairman, Mao evil, 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: evil guy, horrible, horrible person, also in charge of the 79 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: biggest country on Earth. Now when GoF Whitland went over there. 80 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: Billy McMahon, the Prime Minister of the time, lampooned him, 81 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: the press lampuned him. And Billy McMahon, of course, was 82 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: the former Liberal priminis also the father of Julian McMahon, 83 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: who played Doctor Doom in the first Fantastic Four movies. 84 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: So there you go. Tell that to your kids when 85 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: you're talking to night. 86 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: Whitlam got absolutely excoriated by the government of the day, 87 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: by the press. And then it turned out that Henry Kissinger, 88 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: the diplomat extraordinaiy for Richard Nixon, was doing the exact 89 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: same thing for his boss, and that Richard Nixon was 90 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: going to meet with Chairman Mao and recognize China. And 91 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: this was the biggest diplomatic event of the post war 92 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 1: era in the twentieth century. This was the biggest country 93 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: in the world which previously had been completely ignored by 94 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: the international community. You do not exist even though you're 95 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: just sitting there, because you are illegitimate. Because there had 96 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: been a communist revolution that had overthrown the nationalists and 97 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: sent them packing to Taiwan in nineteen forty nine, and 98 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: suddenly the greatest superpower in the world. America with a 99 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: Republican president was saying, you know what, this is stupid, 100 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: let's talk. You're in You need to modernize, you need 101 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: to liberalize, you need to open up your trade, and 102 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: let's try and make you normal. And China since that 103 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: moment has been becoming more and more normal, less and 104 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: less evil in terms of its government, and it has 105 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: been opening up to the world as we all know. 106 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: And Labor was right there. Labor was the canary in 107 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: the coal mine. Even before Nixon went over there and 108 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: did it officially, Gough had been there, was laughed at 109 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: by the liberal government of the day, and suddenly they 110 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: couldn't laugh anymore when the Republican administration in the US 111 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: was doing the exact same thing. So Labour sees this 112 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: is this incredible foundational moment for its foreign policy. It says, 113 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: we showed you, we picked the future. We were there, 114 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: we did this. And apparently Gough Whitlam is still venerated 115 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: in China even to this day. Apparently I've never been 116 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: to China. I'm not sure if i'd get back out, 117 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 1: but he is still considered a hero there. So this 118 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: is something that is foundational to Labor and something that 119 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: people on both sides of the Labor Party have carried 120 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: in their bosoms. Gough Whitlam, of course, is a hero 121 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: to the left of the party, even though technically he 122 00:06:57,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: was a member of the right. But of course those 123 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: days the left with actual communists, so you know, it 124 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 1: wasn't too hard to be a member of the right 125 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: and still be a bit of a lefty. And Paul 126 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Keating is a hero of the right of the Labor Party, 127 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: and people still love him and they cannot understand why 128 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: he is just going off the reservation. But part of 129 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: it is protecting his legacy. Part of it is he's 130 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: thinking beyond Jijiping, and he thinks, well, what if the 131 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Americans just pack up and leave? And then China turns 132 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 1: around and says, oh, your little mate's not here anymore, 133 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: is he? 134 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 4: Huh? 135 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll just do whatever we want. Well, the problem 136 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: is that's the purpose of Orcus. That's why we have 137 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: a security packed with them, so they don't just get 138 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: up and leave. And what about all the other countries 139 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: in Southeast Asia? China is not the only country in Asia. Incidentally, 140 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: there's some others like Japan, Korea, like the democratic ones, 141 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: South Korea, Malaysia, the Philippines. All of them want the 142 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: Americans to stay because the Americans are protecting them against China, 143 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: are just doing whatever the hell it wants. And even 144 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: bigger twist is that some of Paul Keating's former colleagues, 145 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: friends who desperately oppose his comments and his indiventions, think 146 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: that they still might actually be helping. Firstly, it could 147 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: be helping the Albanezi Labor government because by Paul Keating 148 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: accusing them of being too anti China, it shows the 149 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: rest of the Australian public that in fact the government 150 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: is strong on national security and it's standing up for Australia, 151 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: so it actually makes them look good. It makes it 152 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: look like they're being attacked from the left. And the 153 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: other theory, believe it or not, is that it's good 154 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: for Australia to have Paul Keating talking this way because 155 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: it makes China think that there are people in the 156 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: body politic in Australia who are still on their side. 157 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: So that's likely to make China less aggressive towards Australia 158 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: and less inclined to throw up trade sanctions or military 159 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: sanctions on the South China Sea or you know, just 160 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: invaders or whatever it is they're planning on doing. So 161 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: there you go, Paul Keating, great former prime minister, terrible 162 00:08:50,440 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: post prime minister. Wrong on China, but good for the country. Meanwhile, 163 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: if you want to see a country that's really in trouble, 164 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: just look to our former lords and masters in the UK, 165 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: where there have been anti immigrant riots running or running 166 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: riot across the country. They've been doing horrible staff They've 167 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: been violent, angry, destroying property, trying to burn down buildings 168 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: with immigrants in it, disgusting stuff. These people are animals, 169 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: They're savages. 170 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 2: I hate them. They are just awful, awful people. And 171 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: guess what. 172 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: I also criticized the rioters in the Black Lives Matters protests, 173 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: which means that I can say whatever I want about 174 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 1: these knuckle dragging savages and not be accused of hypocrisy, 175 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: which is more than you can say about half the 176 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: other people who are criticizing these riots. But said that 177 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter rioters were just freedom fighters. Yes, 178 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: it's fineman antifas when they're burning down buildings in Portland, Oregon, 179 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: which admittedly, if you are going to burn down buildings anywhere, 180 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: that's probably the But anyway, point being, writing is bad. 181 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: Violence is bad. If you are a writer, you are 182 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: a political extremist. And all extremists are the same. 183 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: Don't believe me. 184 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: Just look at Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, extremist on 185 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: the right, extremists on the left. 186 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: What do they do. 187 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: They sign a Pact of Steel and they invade Poland together. 188 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: In this case we have obviously all these horrible, horrible 189 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: anti immigrant writers. There is a legitimate sort of I suppose, 190 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: anti immigrant anxiety in the UK among working class people 191 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: who are worried that, you know, floodgates are open, they're 192 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: taking their jobs, or they're changing their culture. That is 193 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: totally understandable. That is a different thing to these actual 194 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: full on card carrying activist white supremacists or racists or 195 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: just ugly dumb, violent thugs who are leading these rampages 196 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: across the UK. They are terrible, terrible people. But what 197 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: happens when the progressives, the good guys who are trying 198 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: to stop them, do exactly the same thing. Well, that 199 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: is what happened at a counter protest in Walthamstow, east 200 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: of London, just a few days ago. An elected labor politician, 201 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: local government representative say this were go children. 202 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 3: Are women using those trains orts during the summer of day. 203 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 4: They are disgusting enough. Do we need to hold our 204 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 4: friends again with them? 205 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 1: Rode So again, that was Labor councilor Ricky Jones, former 206 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Labor councilor. You might not be surprised to hear he's 207 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: been suspended not only calling for the demonstrators to be killed, 208 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: but actually saying their throats should be cut. And this 209 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: is not even a supposedly extreme far left you know, 210 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: commie radical activists. This is a member of the party 211 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: that just got elected to government in a landslide. This 212 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: is the Labor Party led by the moderate Kirs Darma. 213 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: This isn't even Jeremy Corbyn's Labor Party. Jeremy Corbin's not 214 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: even in it anymore. And yet you have a Labor 215 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: counselor caught on video saying these obscene and terrible things 216 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: allegedly now he has since been arrested. Police went to 217 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: his house, they arrested him and they charged him with 218 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: incitement to violence. Again, these are all just allegations. He 219 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: was allegedly caught on video. He allegedly said all those 220 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: things that you just heard him say, and police have 221 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: now charged him and will let justice take its course. 222 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: But again, this is a fifty seven year old man, 223 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: an elected local representative, a politician who, until he said 224 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: this stuff, was a member of a mainstream political party 225 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: that just won a landslide in the UK. How does 226 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 1: this happen. I'll tell you how it happens, and it 227 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: all goes back to the ancient Greeks. The ancient Greeks 228 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: knew a thing or two about politics. In fact, they 229 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: invented democracy. They decided, in what is probably the most 230 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: incredible foundational moment in all of human history in terms 231 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: of politics, they decided, you know what, one man, one vote. 232 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: Women didn't count. Obviously they got the vote. You know. 233 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: A couple of thousand years later. 234 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: The Greeks decided that all men were equal and that 235 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:14,599 Speaker 1: they should have equals say in how they're governed. Meanwhile, 236 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: they're owning slaves. They've got heaps of slaves. Everywhere Athens 237 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: is full of slaves. And how do they have slaves 238 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: while still saying that all men should be equal, Well. 239 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: They didn't think that slaves were really men. 240 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: They considered anyone who wasn't Greek, anyone who wasn't part 241 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: of the Greek speaking world, barbarians, and so it was 242 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: okay because they're not really men. It's a bit like 243 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: how Christians and even sometimes Democrats justified the African slave 244 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: trade just a few centuries ago. Say oh, yeah, but 245 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: Africans they're not quite human, so you know, they don't 246 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: have to be you know, respected as part of God's 247 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: divine creation. 248 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: So what you do. 249 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: You do this thing wanker academics called othering or whatever, 250 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: but you say, they're not quite us. 251 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 2: They're not quite us. 252 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: And so the right does this with they, you know, 253 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: Muslim immigrants, right, Oh, they don't share our values, they 254 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: don't share our culture. They're not the same as us, 255 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: and some don't clearly, the hate preachers don't clearly, but 256 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: the vast majority, of course do. But when you start saying, oh, 257 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: I know all those people who believe in that religion, 258 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: they are not humans. So suddenly we're going away from racism. 259 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: So if you're of that race, you're not quite human, 260 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: and we're going away from kind of xenophobia. Or if 261 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: you're not from around here, if you don't speak Greek, 262 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: you're not quite human. Then we go to a position 263 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: where we're saying, oh, actually, if you believe in this religion, 264 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: you're not quite human. So suddenly it is what you 265 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: think or what you believe that determines whether you're human 266 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: or not. But it's not just the religious argument, because 267 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: now what we are seeing in real time in our 268 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: very eyes, we've just heard an example of it, then 269 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: is people applying the same not for religious reasons, but 270 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: for political reasons, the same formula of hatred. So what 271 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: we say, if you don't believe what we believe politically, 272 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: if you don't share our political values, then you are 273 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: not human, you are subhuman. 274 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: You're a fascist. And who doesn't want to kill a fascist? Huh? 275 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: So all you do is you get anyone you want 276 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: to kill. You wouldn't kill a human, no, but you 277 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: kill a fascist. So you just call whoever you don't 278 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: like a fascist, and then it's okay, going to be 279 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: violent towards them. This is what antifa stands for, anti fascists, 280 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: surprisingly enough, does in the US all the time. The 281 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: hydia go, oh, no, but we're just fighting fascist now 282 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: all who are the fascists? Oh, they're fascist, they are fascist, 283 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: anyone we're fighting as a fascist, so we only fight fascist. 284 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: What's the definition of fascist? Someone you're fighting, You eventually 285 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: get to exactly what Ricky Jones does in the middle 286 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: of a mob fired up, and he suddenly starts saying that, 287 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, allegedly, any of these anti immigrant protesters should 288 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: have their throats cut. Not just you know, we've got 289 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: to cut these guys off at the knees. That's more 290 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: of an IRA thing. Oh, you know, we need to 291 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: decapitate this terrible movement, not not even any kind of 292 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: politically image or euphemism, but we've actually got to cut 293 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: their threats. And that's how it happens. As soon as 294 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: you make someone else appear to be subhuman because you 295 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: disagree with them or they're not convenient for you, then 296 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: they are not the political extremists you are. The other 297 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: big story in news and politics this week, it's kind 298 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: of not a big story at all. It's a kind 299 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: of nothing, which is how Donald Trump's campaign is going. 300 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: It's nowhere, it's nothing. He's just not Like he did 301 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: this big chat with Elon Musk and it kind of 302 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: didn't even really happen because there were technical glitches because 303 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: of course he was hacked by Iran or China, not 304 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: the Russians. They're friendly apparently these days. And he's just 305 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: lost his mojo. It's a strange phenomenal because Donald Trump 306 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: is nothing but mojo. Is mojo, you know, in a 307 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: sloppy suit and a combover. I mean, this guy is 308 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: just you know, he is pure lead, no pencil, you know, 309 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: he just doesn't seem to know is there anymore? And 310 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out, and I realized that's 311 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: exactly it. He doesn't know why is there. He doesn't 312 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: know what he's fighting for. Because of course Donald Trump 313 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: didn't even really know why he was running for president 314 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: again in the first place until they tried to send 315 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: him to jail. 316 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: He did this. 317 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: Massive, sprawling announcement at Mari Lago. 318 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 2: People were crawling up. 319 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: They had to barricade people in to stop them from 320 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: crawling up the walls to try and flee. Once he 321 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: ended his you know what Third Hour is rambling on. 322 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: He's got no policy platform. It's all just about revenge. 323 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: The election was rigged, you know, cook at Joe Biden. 324 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 1: I'm going to get him back, and that's all it 325 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: was for him. It was just a revenge movie. It 326 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: was just a sequel to the cliffhanger that ended with 327 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: him being booted out of office the first time round. 328 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: And he was persona on Grada and the party. Everyone's 329 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: rolling their eyes and thinking, I'm not this guy. Even 330 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: his own vice president Mike Pence turned against him. So 331 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: this guy is cooked, he's crazy. And then the deep 332 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: state or just some idiot democrat in New York decides 333 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: they want to prosecute him, make a martyr out of 334 00:17:59,320 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 1: the guy. 335 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Suddenly he's got something to fight for. 336 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: He's fighting for freedom, he's fighting for you know, the 337 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: crooked state, the judicial system being used for political purposes. 338 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Suddenly his pole numbers go up and up and up 339 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: and up and up and up and up. And then 340 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: of course there's the assassination attempts. Suddenly he's unbackable to win. 341 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,720 Speaker 1: His numbers are through the roof, and you've got Joe 342 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: Biden struggling to finish a sentence or know where he 343 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: is or what day it is. 344 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,880 Speaker 2: And then they just do the old switcher rood. 345 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: They just swap him out and put Krmala Harris in 346 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: and Donald Trump's there going, yeah, that's right, I'm you know, 347 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to get revenge. Finally, I'm going to show 348 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. You know, I beat Joe Biden. Rights are wronged. 349 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: The end, the credits roll and then suddenly they've got 350 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: Kamala Harrison and he gos, why am I? Why am 351 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: I beating up this black chick? What's my story? What's 352 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: my motivation? Why am I doing this? It just doesn't 353 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: make sense to me. It just it seems to have 354 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: just flipped him out, and even to the point where 355 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: when Kamala Harris gets put on the cover of Time magazine, 356 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: this is Donald Trump's response. 357 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 4: But he's getting a free writer. 358 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: A picture of her on Time magazine today. 359 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: She looks like the most beautiful actress ever to live. 360 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 5: It was a drawing, and actually she looked very much 361 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 5: like our great first Letty Malania. 362 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 4: She looks she didn't look she didn't look like Camilla. 363 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 2: That's right. 364 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 4: But of course she's a beautiful woman. So we'll leave 365 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 4: it at that, right. 366 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I love it, but I don't know what 367 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: it means. So this is what is happening with the 368 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: Trump campaign. It's gone off script. The election has gone 369 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: off script. Trump only works when he's in a Hollywood blockbuster. 370 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: This guy's mister showbiz. He needs America to follow the script. 371 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: He needs Hollywood, not Washington. My very special guest for 372 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: this week. He knows absolutely everything there is to know 373 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: about us politics. You think you've taken a deep dive before, 374 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: this guy is walking along. 375 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 2: The Mariana Trench. 376 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: Paul Murray the host of Paul Murray Live on Sky 377 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: News at nine o'clock every Sunday to Thursday. Not quite 378 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: every weeknight, the new weeknight. You can catch me on 379 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: there as well every Tuesday night, and he joins me 380 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: live in the studio. Now, Hello, my friend. 381 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 5: I love you, big cuddles all the rest of it. 382 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 5: How exciting to be between people's ears? 383 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Yes, I've been between people's ears. 384 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 5: It's gorgeous wherever you are. Thank you for listening right now. 385 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 5: If you're scrolling while you're doing it as well, God 386 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 5: love you. But yeah, the thing with me in American 387 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 5: politics is it's there's informing yourself, and then there's obsession, 388 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 5: and then there's deep dive obsession. So much so that 389 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 5: my best mate, when I was telling him about the 390 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 5: registrations in Erie, Pennsylvania in twenty twenty. 391 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 4: So but enough, yeah, enough, that's me. 392 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, or maybe even just one level above that possibly 393 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: because it anyway, we all know that Donald Trump has 394 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: kind of lost his mojo a bit. He seems to 395 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: be he's behind the pols. He doesn't like that. 396 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 5: He likes me, need you go if somebody shot your 397 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 5: ear off? The cycle? Right this time around has just 398 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 5: been wild. I mean you think about like the history 399 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 5: that we assume, you know, oh, in fifty years time, 400 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 5: people will be taught that. You know, Joe Biden was 401 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 5: one of you know, two people to basically hand you 402 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 5: the keys back before they had a chance to go around. No, no, 403 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 5: there was the time where he got shot and then 404 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 5: potentially the time when you know, the first female president 405 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 5: was elected. 406 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: So it is, he's absolutely amazing. 407 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: As I just said before, I think part of the 408 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: reason is Trump sort of forgotten what he's fighting for now. 409 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: I think this happened straight after the mid terms when 410 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: he gave that long, rambling speech announcing he was going 411 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: to come back, you know, when he was at maril 412 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: Laga and everyone's like, what is he even running for? 413 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: And when when he's got prosecuted, suddenly got the fight 414 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: in him. He I'm going to fight this Inustice is 415 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: the deep State coming to get me? And he was 416 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,719 Speaker 1: all over Biden. He was going to get the guy 417 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: who got him, beat the guy who beat him. This 418 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: was the ultimate Blockbuster sequel. And then they do the 419 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: Old SWITCHERU. Biden's out, He's gone, and Kamla's there and 420 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: it's like, well, what's my He's like an actor saying, 421 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: you know who am I? 422 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 2: What's my motivation? Yeah? 423 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 5: I think sort of emotionally it would be like being 424 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 5: invited to a threesome with your ex in that you go, look, 425 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 5: you know, hang on, we were xes, I really hang 426 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 5: on now you my brain doesn't work here anymore. 427 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: And he has. 428 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 5: I mean you can see right that. Obviously Biden was 429 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 5: the guy who beat him. He convinced himself that it 430 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 5: was all rigged, et cetera, et cetera, And then the 431 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 5: revenge was coming back. And because remember how out. 432 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 4: Out Tadah like with DeSantis, let's look somewhere else. 433 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 5: He was as back of the bus as you could 434 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 5: possibly be, fights all his way, all the way back, 435 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 5: and then when all the court cases started, his numbers 436 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 5: go up and up and up and up and up, 437 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 5: and then yeah, it all just melts away. But I 438 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 5: do think there's there's a couple of dates that we 439 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 5: can see in the calendar that may well give him 440 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 5: a little bit of a kick in the ass. He's 441 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 5: about to go back into the same courtroom where he 442 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 5: was found guilty thirty four times to look at a 443 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 5: judge who has the power to send him to jail. 444 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 5: That will happen in September, the same month as the debate. Now, 445 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 5: let's imagine what would happen if the judge turns around 446 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 5: and says, you know what, don you're slotted for thirty days. 447 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 5: What would happen to his pole numbers? I'd imagine straight 448 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 5: back roof right, and for that judge, Oh, there's no 449 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 5: way they send him to jail, Joe, there's no way. Well, 450 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 5: he's the guy who's ultimately you know, he's got to 451 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 5: hang around with all those New York people at the 452 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 5: private schools, and you missed your chance to go don 453 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: So okay, maybe it's thirty days home confinement. Oh, poor 454 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 5: Buggery's married to a supermodel and lives in a goal house. 455 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 5: But still thirty. So whatever that punishment is is going 456 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 5: to be fascinating. Because I think that that's going to 457 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 5: kind of pack a whacky him back into the Oh, 458 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 5: that's right, everything's on the line. 459 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: And what about Kamala obviously her election to lose. Now 460 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: she hasn't really faced any screen. How do you think 461 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 1: she's going to go when she either has a her 462 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: first debate against Trump or be her first proper interview 463 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: or see her first proper press conference, or is she 464 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: even going to have the last two of those three things? 465 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 5: Is she just going to avoid them? Well, if she can, 466 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 5: she will. But you know, we always think about when 467 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 5: you're in a moment and there's a band, or there's 468 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 5: a song, or there's a TV show and it's the thing. 469 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 5: It's the only thing in the world everyone talks about 470 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 5: and cares about and is committed to and buying T shirts. 471 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 4: And then slowly but surely, you a couple. 472 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 5: Of years later ago I was into that, and then 473 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 5: eventually it becomes quite embarrassing because there's the photos of 474 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 5: you with the nucleus. No none for me though, but 475 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 5: you get the point, right, So, right now they have 476 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 5: created around her the sort of song of the summer vibe. 477 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 4: They've created around her that. 478 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 5: You don't even know why you like it, but you 479 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 5: like it, but this isn't I mean, it's all yes, 480 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 5: it is, of course a popularity contest, but it's not 481 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 5: it's the future of a country, right. And she's also 482 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 5: want a teleprompter and they make all the videos look great, 483 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 5: but then she can't talk talk, yeah, but. 484 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: She can't, like off the top of the head, I 485 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,479 Speaker 1: don't think she actually understands. You can tell there are 486 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: people and you come across them all the time. There 487 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: are people who have a lot of word and I 488 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: know the word. 489 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: Salad thing is. You know, it's a cliche now to 490 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: throw that at it, but and you hear it with 491 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: academics as well. 492 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: The ones who use really convoluted, complicated words, fancy words 493 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: that no one else understands. 494 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,919 Speaker 2: They're all the ones that are the least intelligence. 495 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: They're all the ones that actually don't know what they're 496 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: talking about, and they use words as a substitute for 497 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: the actual meaning they're trying to convey. It's you know, 498 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: all the academics, all the big professors at Oxford and Cambridge, 499 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: they talk really really simply, really really basically because they 500 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: know exactly what they're saying. And I don't think Carmala 501 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: Harris knows what she's saying. 502 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 4: Well, she knows. 503 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 5: I think it's a strange thing where there's a difference 504 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 5: between knowing what you're saying and knowing what to say. 505 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 5: You know what I mean, and she knows what to 506 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 5: say because she knows that. So, you know, in when 507 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 5: she ran for president in nineteen into twenty, it was 508 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 5: how left can you be? 509 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 2: Right? 510 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 5: How right out there can you be? Because it's all 511 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 5: about taking on Orange Man bad, right, So she was 512 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 5: out there with a whole bunch of positions that we've 513 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 5: all been told the majority of America wouldn't cop right, 514 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 5: like things like basically, oh, you know, do we really 515 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 5: need to turn everyone around when it's illegal at the 516 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 5: borders or all all that stuff. Right, She's now turning 517 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 5: around and as the candidate pretending she never said any 518 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 5: of that stuff. Equally, she's supposed to be qualified for 519 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 5: president because she's the vice president, but she doesn't own 520 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 5: any of the decisions of her time as vice president. 521 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 4: And yeah, okay, vibes are going to help. 522 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 5: But when she gets to a debate, can Trump does 523 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 5: Trump still have that superpower to somehow scramble someone's brain, 524 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 5: because it seems like black women have the capacity to 525 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 5: scramble his brain. Like if you think about all the 526 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 5: prosecutors or the judges or the like the brick wall 527 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 5: he hits, and it'd be amazing to see that in 528 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 5: real time, because I think that her capacity to speak 529 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 5: with passion on a topic is going to let it 530 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 5: down because she doesn't have that fundamental what do I believe? 531 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 5: What's the one thing? Because you know, think about in sixteen. Oh, 532 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 5: you know, you're just angry because Trump was the celebrity 533 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 5: last time and Hillary was the substandard one and didn't 534 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 5: talk about the issues. Hang on, he was built the 535 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 5: wall guy, Like there was a central idea behind why 536 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 5: he was running for president in sixteen. What is the 537 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 5: central idea behind her running for president other than I'm 538 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 5: not him? And that still might be enough, But let's 539 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 5: all be honest. That's what's happening. 540 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: And another thing that you picked very early would probably 541 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: swing this election and swing it against Donald Trump is 542 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: the abortion issue. It's gone from being a sort of 543 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: touch stign for conservatives to something that has actually become 544 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: real because of the Supreme Court decision overturning Roe versus. 545 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: Wide and now abortion is on the ballot at this 546 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: presidential election and in some very interesting states. Take us 547 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 1: through what you've been pulling out. 548 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 5: So this all goes back George Bush going for reelection 549 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 5: two thousand and four. The people behind his campaign were 550 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 5: worried that evangelical Christians weren't going to turn up. So 551 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 5: what they did is they got the states where they 552 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 5: wanted to win to put as a referendum the issue 553 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 5: of gay marriage, and funnily enough, they all turned up 554 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: and he won reelection. The Democrats know that every time, 555 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 5: no matter whether we're talking like literally Mississippi all the 556 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 5: way to New York, when people have the chance to 557 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 5: vote for should there be a right. 558 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: To an abortion? They always vote yes. 559 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 5: All right, So guess what's popping up as a referendum 560 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 5: in multiple states? 561 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 4: Abortion? 562 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 5: Because that was the way to try to get people 563 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 5: to turn up for Biden who didn't want to turn 564 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 5: up for Biden. But now you've got Harris who's about 565 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 5: the issue, women who are passionate about the issue, so 566 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 5: they will surge to turn up in Nevada a state 567 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 5: Trump must win, Arizona a state Trump must win, Florida 568 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 5: a state Trump must win, and that's not me pretending 569 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 5: in any way, shape or form that there's some cheat 570 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 5: going on. It's it's exactly what you do to get 571 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 5: people to turn up. But every time, everywhere this vote 572 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 5: goes against the Republicans. So is that a does that 573 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 5: say what's about to happen? 574 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 4: Who knows. 575 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 5: But basically the mix of issues is if it's about 576 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 5: the economy, he wins. If it's about abortion, she wins. 577 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 5: That's why the fight is about the fight. 578 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: And just to explain to people, at a US election, 579 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: you're not just voting for you know who you want 580 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: to be present, You're not just punching out that chad. 581 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: You're also voting on a whole bunch of other things. 582 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: So if you're voting in a state referendum on should 583 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: abortion be legal or not, that is going to be 584 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: front of mind when you then turn your mind to 585 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: am I voting for Donald Trump? 586 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 4: Everyone else? 587 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: And of course they're going to be thinking, oh, abortion, 588 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: which one's for abortion, which ones against? 589 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: And there you have it. 590 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: And Biden didn't want to talk about it because you 591 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: didn't want to get the Christians of the Southern States 592 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: offside and be he's a Catholic as well. 593 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: So sometimes they're a bit funny about it too. Well. 594 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 5: Also, the other issue that can really drive people to 595 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 5: turn up who don't want to vote for anything else 596 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 5: is marijuana, and there's I think it's like maybe high tweeties, 597 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 5: low thirties. Of the states that have now legal los marijuana, 598 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 5: many of the ways they've done that is people vote. 599 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 5: So again, a way to get people who would traditionally 600 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 5: vote Democrat to turn up is to put something else there. 601 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 5: The Republicans haven't been able to work it out because 602 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 5: they thought that the entire election was about hahaha, Joe 603 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 5: Biden melting before our. 604 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 4: Very eyes wicked. Which of the West is melting? 605 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 5: Well already has And I'm fascinated there'll be a book, podcast, 606 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 5: whatever in a couple of years time where we'll all 607 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 5: learn together whether the early debate was set up by 608 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 5: the people who wanted to expose how bad Biden was 609 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 5: in order to flick him, or something else. 610 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: That is just such Fort D Chess. 611 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 2: I love it. 612 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: And another thing that has come across your desk is 613 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: now that Joe Biden has been flicked. Now that that 614 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: Fort D Chess strategy, if it was, has worked, and 615 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: he's gone suddenly as. 616 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 2: Drm bing dingdingding, Bring out your dad, Bring out your dad. 617 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: They are taken out the trash and the New York 618 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: Times has just discovered this amazing, amazing story. 619 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 5: Well you remember how Joe Biden nothing to do with 620 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 5: Hunter Biden's business. In fact was it was Hunter Biden 621 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 5: even doing businesses and I don't mean potentially cocaine in 622 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 5: the White House Allegedly that was the fun stuff. 623 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, but do your lady white in the 624 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: White House, but leave Ukraine out of it. 625 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 5: So what a surprise that a bloke who was a 626 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 5: self admitted crack addict, at the height of being a 627 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 5: crack addict, was offered by a Ukrainian energy company a 628 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 5: chance to sit on the board of running the Ukrainian 629 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 5: energy company, being paid millions of dollars. I mean, that's 630 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 5: what I would offer my local crackheaded the height of 631 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 5: their addiction. But because he was the son of the 632 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 5: Vice president, perhaps perhaps the reason why was so that 633 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 5: when you see the name Biden, sure it's the sun, 634 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 5: but still you see the name Biden. 635 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 4: On a phone. 636 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, he's the vice president. His vice president's 637 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 5: kid going to answer New York Times has just revealed 638 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 5: that the Biden administration has just released proof that when 639 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 5: he was working for Barisma, he was picking up the 640 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 5: phone trying to get energy deals out of other countries. 641 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 5: The entire reason, the entire point, the entire conspiracy, the 642 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 5: entire cooked idea that he was being paid money just 643 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 5: to give access to his dad. Guess what they had 644 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 5: the receipts. 645 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: And now the old man ain't needed anymore, they're releasing them. 646 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: It really is just extraordinary. I mean, I believe that 647 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: man landed on the moon. I believe that JFK was 648 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: shot by leave Harveyoswold. 649 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 4: But this shit sticks time. 650 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 2: This is it. 651 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 5: It's like but and I'm fascinated that I know there's 652 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 5: a bunch of people who paid too much attention, guilty. 653 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 5: There are a bunch of people who kind of pay 654 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 5: attention sort of to keep up with the barbecue Chad. 655 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 5: And then there's a bunch of people who sort of, 656 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 5: you know, got other stuff to do, right, And essentially 657 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 5: many of that last category are the ones who make 658 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 5: the final choices as they're walking in they and they 659 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 5: end up being the people who swing it one way 660 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 5: or the other. 661 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 4: And it shits me the high heaven that for those 662 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 4: of us that pay too much attention, it's right in 663 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 4: front of your face. 664 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: Oh, come on, Paul's Russian disinformation, everybody said, so not 665 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: even his laptop. 666 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 4: Correct, that's probably more of an iPad guy. So right now, 667 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 4: I think despite all of that, you know, Harris is 668 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 4: in front, no question. 669 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 5: But Trump can still win, right Because I was listening 670 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 5: to Nate Silver, the stats guy again. Why am I 671 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,440 Speaker 5: dropping your name? 672 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 4: No one cares about anyway. 673 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 5: There's a stats guy who's really good in America, and 674 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 5: he's talking about how when you have a look at 675 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 5: a poll or a forecast, if it's fifty five forty five, 676 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 5: it's still coin flip, right and right now that's where 677 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 5: it is. It's coin flips everywhere. So she could run 678 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 5: the table on him, he could squeak out all the 679 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 5: other way around. But if she melts at a debate, 680 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 5: if he gets sentenced to jail and a whole bunch 681 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 5: of other weird stuff comes out, he's just as much 682 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 5: in it. But he's got to stay in the fight 683 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 5: rather than sort of give up. Which is that Musk 684 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,520 Speaker 5: thing and the two hour phone call that a million 685 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 5: people were asked to listen to live. 686 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, I'm not sure if that sounds swinging 687 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: any undecided voters. 688 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 5: Why not just film a chat and upload it like 689 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 5: if you do it live, and then everyone's going to 690 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 5: turn around and we all know all the haters are 691 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 5: going to want to turn around and talk about the 692 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 5: technical failure rather than anything that was said. 693 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 4: On the call. 694 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 2: It was the Chinese hack, of course, Russian Paul Burry, 695 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 2: super genius, I. 696 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 4: Know, just super obsessed. Let me out, super nerd. I'm like, 697 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 4: you know, you know that nerd. 698 00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 5: Who's like a super coach player who's always banging on 699 00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 5: a bit. 700 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 4: Oh mate, I just changed fullback. No one cares, but 701 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 4: thank you for letting me out of the house. Joe. 702 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: We've got a whole bunch of grafts and pie charts 703 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: just over there if you want to go, thank you, 704 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: deep dive into them and I'll see you next week 705 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: on Sky See you, Champion, Love you, And a very 706 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: special question time this week, because the question is Joe, 707 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 1: which firebrand independent is running a candidate in New South 708 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: Wales at the upcoming federal election who could slightly upset 709 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: the apple cart? 710 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 2: And what a fine question it is. I can reveal 711 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: the answer to that. 712 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: This is a very special preview, very special sneak peek 713 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: and exclusive just for the real story listeners. It will 714 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: be announced on Friday that the Jackie Lambie Network. We'll 715 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: know Jackie Lamby the Tasmanian parliamentary just butler. She's a 716 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: butler is seeking to expand her influence. Who polls this 717 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: week the show Basically the parties are voters are deserting 718 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: the major parties in droves, miners and Independence picking up. 719 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: She is going to run a candidate in New South Wales. 720 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: I won't reveal who it is, but I'll tell you 721 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: he's a former member of the Labor Party. He's also 722 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 1: a former cop, a former soldier. He is a high 723 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: powered international lawyer. This guy has got everything. He grew 724 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: up living in caravans. He left school early. The self 725 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: made man. He sort of prawns on a trawler and 726 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: crabs on a crabbing boat. He's actually specified two different 727 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,320 Speaker 1: types of shellfish in his resume. And he is a 728 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: bloke I've known for a long time and he is 729 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 1: a political weapon. And there were some issues with the 730 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: Labor Party. He wanted to be part of the Labor 731 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: party and and douchebags on the left decided to wipe 732 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: out him, and so he's ended up as part of 733 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: the Jackie Lambing Neto and he will be announced as 734 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: the Senate candidate in New South Wales number one on 735 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: the ticket for the Jackie Lamb Network. 736 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 2: So watch this space. 737 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: And that's all we have time for this week. Thank 738 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,200 Speaker 1: you very much as always for listening. 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Ask us anything you 749 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: want if you want to subject covered on the podcast, 750 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: more than happy to do that, all your questions answered. 751 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: You can always catch me in the Daily Telegraph and 752 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: other news. Court Master heads around the country on Mondays 753 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 1: and Saturdays. 754 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 2: I'll see you next week.