1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: I have been personally called out in our Big Business 2 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: podcast Instagram account DMS by someone who goes by the 3 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: name of Caitlin, and she said this, Hello, Big Business team, 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: I've been thinking and would love your opinion our brands 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: using the term viral to push a product. I feel 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: like I'm seeing things launch with wording like our most 7 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 1: wanted viral piece, etc. And I'm wondering if you think 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: customers are falling into the trap of buying things because 9 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: they're viral, and then with that, is the word viral 10 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: going to lose meaning? Or I guess it's power. Thanks 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: for reading haha X. I've been called out by you, Caitlin, 12 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: and this is a great thought for you to have, 13 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: and it's got my mind ticking as well. So let's 14 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: break it down. Let's start with your first question. So 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: Or you said, I feel like I'm seeing things launch 16 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: with the wording like our most wanted viral piece. Now, 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: this is interesting because I think it's a big claim 18 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: to make if a brand is launching something for the 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: first time and calling it viral. I don't think brands 20 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: can be doing that, and I think you know that 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: in itself is quite misleading to do if something is 22 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: absolutely brand new, and I don't think myself I've ever 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: seen a brand launch something and call it viral. But 24 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: you're right in noticing that brands have started to use 25 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: this word more and I'll even admit we've used it 26 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: for a couple of our pieces as well, and it 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: is very much a selling point. But I think it's 28 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: no different than all the other selling points that we 29 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: brands use. Like before, we use the word you know, 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: these are our viral this is our viral Marni dress. 31 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: We would say that this is our best selling or 32 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, quickest selling, or most popular or most loved. 33 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: But I think the word viral it just holds a 34 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: lot more weight and power given the fact that you know, 35 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: you think viral on the internet, you think super famous 36 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: compared to you know, if I was to say this 37 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: is our viral Marni dress, or this is our best 38 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 1: selling Marni dress, We're essentially saying the same thing. But 39 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: I think the word viral just holds a lot more power. 40 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: Now our brand's using this as a selling tactic, absolutely, 41 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: like the same way we use all other descriptive words 42 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: to describe our products. Do I think it's shady if 43 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: a brand is calling something viral when it isn't absolutely, 44 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: so I think, and you've got me thinking about me 45 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: using this word myself, and like, we've got to be 46 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: so careful when we use these words because technically, I mean, actually, 47 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: let's use Google right now. What is the definition of viral. 48 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's probably going to say it's a disease, yeah, 49 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: of the nature of caused by or relating to a 50 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: virus or viruses. But then the second one is in 51 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: brackets of an image, video, piece of information, etc. Circulated 52 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: rapidly and wildly from one Internet user to another. So 53 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: there you go, circulated rapidly and widely on the Internet. 54 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: I think the tricky thing is like when I think viral, 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: I think, like it's gone absolutely viral and gotten millions 56 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: and squillions of views. But then you know, the definition 57 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: is just something that's circulated rapidly and widely from one 58 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Internet user to another. So I think there's no harm 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: in a brand calling something viral if it has quite 60 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: literally gone viral. And I don't mean like a ten 61 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: million video view viral, but it's something that's just really 62 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: popped off. And I think I can use an example 63 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: with us at Fate last year, maybe around September or 64 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: a bit before, I can't exactly remember. The months are flying. 65 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: We released this one dress and it's our Mani dress, 66 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: and I knew everyone would love it, but it just 67 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: like took us by surprise, like sometimes some items will 68 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: just really take us by surprise. And the content that 69 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: we posted did so well, the ads that I had running, 70 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: you know, about the dress. When we released it, I 71 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: chucked up our Facebook meta ads as I always do. 72 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: Those ads, like they didn't go viral like getting millions 73 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: of views, but you know, the ads performed extremely well, 74 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: like they converted really well, and I sold so many 75 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: of those dresses through those ads and got really good 76 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: results through the ads, and then our emails blew up 77 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: on the back end of everyone saying because the dress 78 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: sold out like so quickly, And we're kind of getting 79 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: to that point in Fate where that doesn't really happen 80 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: as often as it used to. So when a item 81 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: like flies off the website like that, like it feels 82 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: like a really viral, impactful moment for us, and then 83 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: our customer service inbox is getting flooded with emails of 84 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: when is the Marni dress? Coming back? When's the Marny 85 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: dress coming back? And everyone's asking in our Fate Society 86 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: group when's it coming back? And then my ads did 87 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: so well, and then the comments on Instagram are like, 88 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: oh my god, it's already sold out. To me, that 89 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: is a moment where I'm like, okay, this is a 90 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: viral dress for us. So then what I've done is 91 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: we like reordered the dress because it sold out, you know, 92 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: so quickly, and we brought it back and then we 93 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: did it in some new colors as well. So I've 94 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 1: been using viral as a descriptive word for our Marni 95 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: dress based on the success of its initial launch last year. 96 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: And I think, based on all of that data, that's 97 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: not me using that word to con people into buying 98 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: the dress. It's because as a business, we experienced this 99 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: dress going viral for us. So I think, you know, 100 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: whilst we absolutely should be mindful of brands using words 101 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: to try and convince us to sell things, I think, 102 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: especially for us, I'm using that word when something has 103 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: genuinely gone viral. I'm not going to go and take 104 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: a really slow selling item that we've got on our 105 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: website and be like this is our viral Spenserity, like, 106 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:39,559 Speaker 1: I mean, our Spenser tea is a really good seller 107 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: as well. But I'm not going to go and get 108 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: one of our C grade category items from our website 109 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: that has sold five units in the last three months 110 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: and go, this is our viral blah blah blah, because 111 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: that's just false. But if we do have an item 112 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: that has done exceptionally well, I'm absolutely going to then 113 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 1: refer that item to being a viral or our best 114 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: seller or it's sold out super fast, because that is 115 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 1: a fact. Now does this mean that all businesses are 116 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: always going to be honest when it comes to describing 117 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: something as viral. No, people very well could get that 118 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: shitty product on the website, and trust me, We've all 119 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: got shitty products. I've got products that I can't bloody sell. 120 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: But other businesses absolutely might get an item that they've 121 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: had forever and it's not selling and do a whole 122 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: campaign around it being viral, and it may trick people 123 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: into thinking that it is a viral item. And I think, 124 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, that's when it comes down to, I guess 125 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: them and they should be honest with their marketing, But 126 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: you know, you do. Brands are going to do whatever 127 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: they're going to do these days. But also as consumers, 128 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: you know, we can be mindful. And I think you 129 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: sending me this message and thinking about the word viral, 130 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: is you being a conscious shopper and you know, cluing 131 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: on too little marketing terms and things that brands say. 132 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: But this has been a really interesting message for you 133 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: to send through. And do I think that the word 134 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 1: is going to lose its power? It is becoming a 135 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: more and more popular word to use, so I absolutely 136 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: do think that it will lose its power. But I 137 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: think if you're smart as a brand when it comes 138 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: to using this word, and you genuinely are using it 139 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: when it's an item that has sold like absolute crazy hotcakes, 140 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: then I think it's a word worth using. And you 141 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: can also do some research yourself as well, Like if 142 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: a brand is promoting something that's super viral, like you 143 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: can jump onto their website and see like how many 144 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 1: products does that how many products? Sorry, how many reviews 145 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: does that product have? If you search it up on 146 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: the internet, can you find any content about it? And 147 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: if there's nothing out there that you can see about 148 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: it this is the first time you're hearing about it, 149 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 1: then maybe you can think, hm, maybe this isn't a 150 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: viral product, so there's always ways that you can look 151 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: into it as well. Do I think eventually the word 152 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: will lose its power potentially, Yes, especially the more and 153 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: more brands start to use the word. But then again, 154 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, in six months or a year from now, 155 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: there's probably going to be some other word that we're 156 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: all using to describe our best selling items. Who knows, 157 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: but either way, Caitlin, thanks for sending through this DM. 158 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: I absolutely love this and be sure to shop all 159 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: the viral pieces at fate at fatethlabel dot com. I'm 160 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: just kidding. But that's all for this week's bonus episode 161 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: and I'll be back next week