WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 31 March 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:07.240 On scoring lives Ostrodia. This is the Wider Paney Show. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.280 Good evening and welcome to the Riata Paney Show. Coming 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.520 up tonight. How hard left activists plan to disrupt the 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:18.759 election campaign Adam Crichton it's here, fresh from his harrowing 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:22.080 experience on the ABC's Q and a program to discuss 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.680 that and much more. A massive backflip from the Prime 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.840 Minister as he abandons modeling, underpinning Labour's promise to cut 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:33.440 power bills and slash your missions by twenty thirty people 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:36.280 say in Pimer will tell us more about that and 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.000 he must protest evolve into violence. Josh Hammer will have 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:42.600 the latest from the US, and later in the hour 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.559 we'll look at why Prince Harry has been accused of 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.000 wooing and misogyny and Lefty is losing It features this 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.320 gem from the view that somehow made it past the 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:54.080 fact checkers. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.240 I'd never remember in my lifetime a sitting president and 0:00:57.320 --> 0:00:58.760 trashing a previous president. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:01.800 I've never heard that before. But first, good news for 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.240 the Albanesi government. With the polls swinging back to Labor 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.160 for the first time this year. Peter Dutton has some 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.720 work to do. The preferred Prime Minister margin has significantly 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:16.160 widened since last month, when forty five percent I should 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.360 say I thought Anthony ALBUINESI would make a better Prime minister, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:24.000 while forty percent favored Peter Dutton. In the poll release today, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:27.640 the PM is now backed by forty nine percent compared 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:32.479 to thirty eight percent preferring Peter Dutton. In the two 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.080 party preferred metric, Labor is now ahead of the Coalition 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.040 fifty one to forty nine percent, replicating the twenty twenty 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.680 two election result. And as far as the primary vote goes, 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.000 Labor is at thirty three, Greens at twelve, and the 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.000 Coalition at thirty eight. That's only one point three percent 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.840 above the last election. Joining me now as senior Fellow 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.520 and Chief Economist at the Institute of Public Affairs, Adam Crichton, Adam, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:04.120 it looks like Peter Dutton's softly approach is not paying dividends. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:05.440 Yeah, certainly that's true. 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.240 The Coalition would be pretty disappointed with these figures. And 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.120 of course it wasn't just the news poll results that 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.840 you were talking about. Then the Freshwater Pole and the 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.000 Financial Review basically showed exactly the same thing, the same 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.079 trend so that's two major polls on the same day. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.359 Not a great start. And also the betting markets are 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:23.120 now showing. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.079 Labor as the favorite to win, whereas about four or 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.120 five weeks ago the Coalition was the favorite. I always 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.160 like to look at the betting markets instead, because these 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.160 are people who are actually putting their money on the line. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.160 They've thought about it. You know, Poles can go either way, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:36.720 and of course they have a. 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:38.760 Plus you know, plus minus three or four percent error. 0:02:38.960 --> 0:02:42.560 But yes, to your point, you know, since well, at 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.640 least in my view, since the Coalition backed the eight 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.119 point five billion dollars on many care, which Labor proposed, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.519 so same same, the polling of the Coalition has fallen. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.200 So I think they need to distinguish themselves more. There's 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:54.840 not enough. 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.600 Idea too late to do that now, because you're right, 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:02.120 there's not a huge deal of ideological difference. We've got 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.440 used to that. The party is not being that far apart. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:10.720 Certainly on economic policy you can pick some differences, but 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.400 energy seems to be what's really a missed opportunity for 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:18.960 the coalition. They could have fought this on energy policy alone. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.119 If they certainly could have looked the British Tories have. 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:23.600 They've recently dumped it zero. I think that's very sensible. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.480 The opposition leader over there has come out and said 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:28.560 it is just economically and even scientifically impossible to do. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.359 This is what Dutton should have done here. 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.560 And then the election would have been a real intellectual 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:33.880 contest something to talk about. 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.280 I mean, right now, it's going to be excruciating, isn't it. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:37.520 I mean, basically we're talking about. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.040 A tiny tax cut on the one side or a 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.160 temporary change in the fuel x scise rate on the 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:42.640 other side. 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.880 That's basically the only difference, more or less. 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.640 And because the coalition supports in it zero, it does 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.520 make it very hard for them to attack Labor on 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.480 their energy policies because ultimately they both have the same, 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:54.680 you know, the same apparent. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:58.120 Goal, and it flows into other parts of the economy 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.720 as well, because of course energy policy impacts everything. So 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.240 when you're talking about a cost of living election, we're 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:08.520 talking about what is inflationary, what's causing people paying day 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:12.360 to day? That comes into it. So it just really 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.640 hamstrings them on a number of fronts. But is it 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.680 too late now to come out boldly and say we 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.240 are of course we've got nuclear that's going to be 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.880 twenty thirty five onwards. But before then we are going 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.760 to make sure that we've got plenty of coal and 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:34.040 gas to have reliable, cheap energy. 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:34.400 Yeah. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.600 Look, I mean this is probably one for the political strategist, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.360 but I don't think it's too late, And certainly, if 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.400 their polling gets worse and worse, I think they really 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.280 just should. I mean, if we're sitting here in a 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.960 week's time and the poll's even worse, surely it's time 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.360 to think about something like that. But you mentioned nuclear, 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.600 and I haven't really talked about nuclear much. I think 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:54.640 the opposition later mentioned it once in his budget reply speech. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:56.840 Labours seem to be talking about it more than they 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.919 are as an attack, as opposed to them actually promoting 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.839 it as a way of safeguarding our future and making 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:08.160 sure we actually do have cheap, reliable energy, as well 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:12.039 as slashing emissions if that's a priority. Now, you mentioned 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.200 the betting markets, so let's have a look at how 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.560 they're looking. Sports bet has Labor slightly in front a 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:22.119 dollar eighty to two dollars ten majority, Government three dollars 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:26.279 twenty five. No majority is the hot favorite there dollar thirty. 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.520 And that's really the real fear, isn't it, Because we're 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:35.400 talking about green labor coalition, green TiAl labor coalition, any 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.799 sort of combination. There is not good same similar odds 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:43.840 with TAB the Libs trailing Labor slightly. And again the 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:49.919 money is in for a minority government. So that's I 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.119 think what we're worried about. 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:52.960 Yeah, look, and that's because Labor did so about it 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.400 last time. I think they have seventy seven seats, you know, 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.400 and the parliaments one hundred and fifty seats, so they 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.840 have a tiny majority. They can't afford to go back 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.200 with much. The Liberal Party, though, I think, has to 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.320 win twenty two seats in net terms to form a 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.400 majority government, so that is a big ask. 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:08.839 Then again, there are lots of seats. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.680 That are held very marginally by the Labor Party, so 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.680 you know, even a two three four percent swing is 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:14.279 going to bring up a lot of seats. But of 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:15.960 course the swing is not going to be uniform. I 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:17.680 mean every seat is different, so we don't know how 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.320 it's going to play out. But yes, sadly, it looks 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.120 like it's going to be a minority government and the 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:23.480 real fault of that is I think that nea side, 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.680 you know, really offers much of an alternative, and so 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.719 that they are so similar, of course they end up 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.560 with the same number of seats more or less. 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.040 Absolutely Now, Pro Palace sdin in activists are planning to 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.320 resume weekly protests in Melbourne with support from members of 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.520 the Greens. Hardline activists Mohammed Sharap, who's facing a kidnapping 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:47.120 and assault trial, called Peter Dutton a racist TMU Trump, 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:50.320 saying we don't need a more racist government than the 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.960 one we have. He also said this is a very 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:57.760 critical time for us to go and disrupt those election campaigns. 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.039 Appearing on the same stage as Sharab was Green's federal 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:05.760 candidate for the Victorian seat of Fraser Huang Trang, who 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:11.480 said that Parliament is a racist, white supremacist colonial institution 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.040 that still has not grappled with the fact that it 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:19.320 is illegitimate until it recognizes sovereignty for First Nations people. Adam, 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:25.080 but she wants to join this racist, white supremacist colonial institution. 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:26.280 Well, that's a good point. 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:27.520 This isn't that fantastic. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.520 That's a good point because of the paying conditions are 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:30.760 so good in the Parliament, so. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.120 It's worth living with all the racism apparently. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:35.400 But look, the first thing that jumped out there for 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.320 me was this is the Green's party. 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:38.720 Where's to talk about the environment here? 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:40.880 This is all about Palestine, So this is this is 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:41.960 this is just a hard one. 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:44.120 Oh, we know her mass are very very keen on 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.960 green policies, that their emissions are next to nothing. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:48.920 You know, so observers should realize this is not the 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:52.120 party of Bob Brown anymore. This is a hard left 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.040 party which often is far more interested in these niche 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.640 left wing issues about foreign policy than it is about 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:58.600 the actual environment. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:00.000 You know, it's a take away. 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.240 But the accusations of racism, of course completely ridiculous, And 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.040 Charlie is this has been going on for decades. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.320 It's so boring. You know, they really need a new word. 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:08.200 Really it is. 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:11.000 They have misused and overused that word so much that 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.520 it means nothing, which is actually not a great thing, 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.960 because when there is genuine racism and you call it out, 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.560 it doesn't mean anything because you can only cry wolf 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:21.640 so many times. 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.240 When calling Australia racist in particular, it's so ridiculous too. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:25.840 I think I mean it really is one of the 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:27.440 least racist countries in the world. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:30.640 Oh absolutely, And anyone who's got any sort of who's 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:33.000 cracked open a book over the last twenty years or 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:36.319 has traveled anywhere would know that. Now, let's talk about 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:41.560 the Friends of the ABC, another activist group. They've they're 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.080 very perturbed. They're crying poor on behalf of the ABC 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.720 ahead of the federal election, and an email to the 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:52.520 Auntie Army President Cassandra Parkinson has warned that the stakes 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:55.280 are high for the ABC in this election, and she 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:58.200 also lamented that there was nothing in the budget for 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.960 the ABC. Nothing in the They're getting over a billion 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:06.480 dollars a year to completely disregard their charter. I don't 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:07.800 know how much more they want at them. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.319 Yeah, look, I mean it's just ridiculous that that that 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.120 message was even sent. As you say, they get a 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.600 huge pot of money every single year for doing nothing. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.120 I mean, frankly, the public case for the ABC, if 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.520 there ever was one, just really isn't there anymore. I Mean, 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.800 we all have so much choice with our media consumption 0:09:21.880 --> 0:09:23.840 bea the Internet, obviously, we can you know, we can 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.120 read newspapers from all around the world. We can consume 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.600 all sorts of TV all around the world. There really 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.720 is no case for this institution anymore. 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.280 Sadly, you know, as grateful as I am that they 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.640 sometimes have me on. Of course, I am the public 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:37.160 policy case. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.720 Going to bring you a clip of you on the 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:43.400 ABC shortly that that was you on Q and A 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:47.400 last week. But let's first look at this example of 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.720 another twisted priority of the Alban Eazy government and our universities. 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.680 It must be said the government is now strongly encouraging 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.160 students in poverty stricken puppy New Guinea to apply for 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:02.440 scholarships to study get this climate change, gender studies and 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:06.440 disability policy, when in previous years the focus has been 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:10.920 on our agriculture or medicine or education. Out of had 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.800 quaint that you know, you would expect them to talk 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.719 about gender studies instead of perhaps study medicine. 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.280 I mean, these topics are so stupid. This is one 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:20.719 of the poorest countries in the world. It's one of 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:22.679 our neighbors. You know, we do have an obligation to 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.880 try to lift their living standards. These sorts of courses 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.120 are just totally ridiculous. I mean, we should be educating 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.840 them in areas that they can help their own country 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:31.640 when they go back. And of course this is a 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:33.080 reminder of the US AID schedule. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.400 That's what I thought of when I read. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:38.719 That these foreign policy agencies are just chopped full of 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:42.200 hardcore left wing ideologues who are far more interested in 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.559 spreading their ideology around the world than they aren't actually 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.240 lifting living standards. So this is a prime case of that. 0:10:47.280 --> 0:10:49.960 And also this is what an Australian dohoge could chop 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:50.240 if we. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.280 Absolutely and this is precisely the sort of thing that 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.439 tax payers don't want their money wasted on, and these 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:01.600 activists push their agenda without tax pay dollars and that's 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.880 why it's being tackled in the US, but locally really 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.880 not hearing much from resistance even from the Coalition about this. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.240 The Park Height in Melbourne, a hotel here in Melbourne, 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:17.120 has caved to online activists and canceled plans to host 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.839 a memorial for Cardinal George Pearl, citing a height and 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:23.200 risk to the safety of its staff. And guess adam, 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:27.840 the left santis it's the history of violent protests really 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:30.760 do seem to give them this veto power. This is 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.800 another example of the heckless Vita. 0:11:33.000 --> 0:11:33.800 No, that's exactly right. 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:35.760 Look, I think it's pretty weak on the hotel's part 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:37.559 to go back on this. I think that they should 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.720 be tougher. There's far too much caving to these people. 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:41.560 I agree. We always hear about the dangers of the 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:44.520 far right. It's actually the far left that are far scarier. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:47.360 Actually, it was the last time a far left a 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.560 figure didn't have a foot launch or didn't have an 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:54.120 event because of right wing Yeah, it just wouldn't happen. 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:56.640 And if there wasn't even a hint of it, you 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.480 would have so many police there on the taxpayer's dime of. 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.120 Course as well. Except you, Except. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.160 Now, Adam, before you go. You appeared on the ABCISQ 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:12.920 and A program last week. You said plenty that's shockly apparently, 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.800 But I don't know shocked because we keep being told 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.960 that the audience is very much diverse. Half it didn't 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:27.960 get left leaning, half conservative, one single platform. Okay, let's 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:32.880 just have a look at twenty seconds of your contribution at. 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.480 Zero, which we impose on ourselves. It is in effect 0:12:35.520 --> 0:12:38.120 a huge tariff on our manufacturing sector. It's a huge 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.360 tariff on our energy prices, and it's not just. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:41.520 The power builder that effects. 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.080 Of course, the cost of energy ripples through the cost 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:47.120 of everything in the economy, and so the cause of 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.000 the huge increase in cost of living is basically government 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:51.439 those two things I just mentioned. 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:57.280 He was very upset with my answer. She was not 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.560 ready heard of that just common sense, that what I said. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.959 Well, of course it was. But you need to give 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.920 trigger warnings before you start spitting facts like that. You 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.840 can't just go there. You did challenge the net zero 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:12.240 dogma on the ABC do you were you sick of life? 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:17.080 For you wanting to be well? Actually harassed leaving the studio? 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:17.920 Why did you do that? 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.480 Well, actually, a few days later the clip went viral 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:21.040 on x base. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.560 A lot of other accounts picked it up. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.240 I didn't push them, I didn't tweet it out, but 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:26.160 suddenly it appeared. So I think there is a real 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.600 thirst for people to criticize net zero, not just on 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:31.680 the right, but in the center and even on the left. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:34.120 In fact, one guy who retweeted I think is a 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:35.959 left wing economist that is like, it's great to hear 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:38.400 the truth. Finally, well, of course, I mean, you can 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.760 like net zero, but you still should appreciate that it 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.959 is the source of our massive cost of living crisis 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:43.680 in large part. 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.240 Absolutely, this is what I don't understand if ideologically you 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.040 believe this is the greatest moral dilemma of our time 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:55.640 and it's worth the cost then to argue that, but 0:13:55.760 --> 0:14:00.280 pretending like renewables are the cheapest form of energy whilst 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:03.960 we know the experience is absolutely the polar opposite. Absolutely 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:08.640 is just treating everyday people like their idiots. And I 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.640 think people are finally waking up and see if the 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:14.640 coalition gives them a choice at the polls. Adam Kristen, 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.560 thanks for your time today. Thanks Er joining me now 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:21.880 is a steem geologist and author, Professor Ian Primer Professor. 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:25.520 Let's start with this massive backflip from Anthony Albernezi is 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:30.040 now abandoned. The modeling underpinning labours promised to cut power 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.280 bills by three hundred and seventy eight dollars a year 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.120 and reduce emissions by forty three percent by twenty thirty. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.080 You've by many international factors for not hitting your two 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:43.000 hundred and seventy five dollars pledge. Hit that same reputex 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.440 modeling full cast electricity prices from now until twenty thirty, 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:49.680 we're reduced by one hundred dollars. 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:51.800 Do you stand by that modeling? 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.720 It's reputex as modeling. 0:14:56.040 --> 0:15:00.239 But no, excuse me, you talk that was what you 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:01.160 your policies on. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.000 It's repitexas model co ownership of that modeling. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.040 It's reputexas modeling from that time. 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.240 You don't support the modeling anymore. This is you walking 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:09.280 away from that modeling. 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.880 It's reputexas modeling based upon the circumstances at that time. 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.960 But this is the very same modeling that he's sensationally 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:18.600 champion at the last election. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:23.280 This is the most comprehensive modeling ever done for any 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:28.600 policy by any opposition in Australia's history since federation. 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:33.440 And what has gone wrong the modeling, the promises, it's 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:34.520 all falling apart. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.880 Well, the models gave the wrong answer and the models 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.680 don't work, and he's got a retreat from that position, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:43.880 and that makes his life pretty difficult. 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.840 And to then try to argue it's international. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.360 Features that are driving the. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.880 Costs, well, that's just nonsense. We have abundant energy in 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.600 this country. It was once cheap and reliable. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:04.880 It's been destroyed by putting in renewables and following the models, 0:16:05.160 --> 0:16:07.720 so he's working up the models don't work. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.360 Now, models often don't work. 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.720 They're only a naive way of trying to understand how 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.120 matters work. We know with climate models. There's more than 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.880 one hundred climate models, and we've had forty years of 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:24.080 climate modeling. We can see when we compare the models 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.280 with what we've measured, the models don't work. So I'm 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.240 not surprised it's a fairly weak way of getting out. 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.320 Of it by blaming the modeling organization. 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.560 I think he should shoulder the responsibility and say, well, folks, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:38.600 we trusted these models. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:41.320 We find they're not working, and we're going to move on. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:44.200 And if he was a real prime ministry would have said, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.080 we're going to move on and get rid of net zero. 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:48.000 And by the way, we're going to move on and 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:50.640 go back to cheap and reliable energy which you once had, 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.440 and we will resurrect the coal mining and a coal 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.760 burning industry to give you cheap electricity. 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.200 Well that's never going to happen, particularly not when he's 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.560 got the likes of Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.800 Bowen in his ear let's have a look at this 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:14.760 video Bowen posted about the Coalition's policies, their nuclear policy, 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:18.040 in particular, are. 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:19.879 You waiting for that box to hit me? Well, if 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.359 you don't like waiting, you will hate the Coalition's nuclear 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.280 policy because they're going to make Australia wait until the 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.600 twenty forties before we get any new electricity from nuclear, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:33.960 and that is not time that we have. Nuclear is 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.399 expensive and slow to build, and that'll mean relying on 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:42.040 coal firepower for longer, Terrible for emissions, terrible for reliability 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:46.640 because coal fire power stations break down every single day. 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.679 So if you don't want to wait, let's get on 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:49.000 with the. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:53.359 Job of more cheaper, cleaner renewable energy now, not in 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:54.160 the twenty forties. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:59.119 Okay, it's another clownish video. He makes the ridiculous claims 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:03.800 that coal isn't reliable, but it does make a decent point. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.920 I think about the Coalition's nuclear policy in that it's 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.320 years away. So what are they really giving us for 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:15.440 their next term in government? What are we voting for? 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:22.000 Well, mister Boone's painfully embarrassing the coalitions nuclear policy. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.600 I think it's a very good policy, But mister. 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.119 Bowen is correct, This is going to take time before 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.280 you can build those stations. In the interim, we have 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.760 very old coal fired power stations that haven't had maintenance 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.000 and haven't had investment because of the insecure market that 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:41.280 the renewables have created. So the easiest thing to do 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:45.120 is to get rid of the subsidies for the renewables. 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.480 These subsidies are costing the taxpayer a huge. 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:48.920 Amount of money. 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.600 Get rid of those subsidies, build a few new coal 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.920 fired power stations, resurrect a few coal fired power stations, 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:58.200 and that will keep us going in the interim until 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.880 we get nuclear and hopefully well have both coal and nuclear, 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:02.920 because then we. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.520 Would have really reliable energy. 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.800 So I don't think the Coalition is very much better 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.280 than Labor on the energy policy. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.080 Well, they've given us a little bit more detail on 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.320 their gas policy. They're going to force producers to keep 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:23.040 more gas in Australia. If they don't comply by these requirements, 0:19:23.119 --> 0:19:27.000 they will be hit with financial penalties, and that extra 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:30.840 gas for domestic consumption would be around ten to twenty 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:35.240 percent of what we currently have extra. But ian do 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:39.439 we know what that's going to do to prices? Is 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:44.240 that really an answer just diverting the gas supply domestically 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.360 rather than actually boosting production. 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:49.240 Well, that's the key point. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:53.040 We have a structural short supply of gas and the 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:55.680 only way you can get more gas into the system 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:56.760 is to drill more. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:58.480 Well, you have to drill. 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.679 Now, we have some many impediments to putting in a 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.639 new gas well. We have so many impediments for building 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.840