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Speaker 1: On skying loads Ostrodia. This is the Wader Panalty Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panicky Show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up tonight, the Prime Minister flounders when asked a simple

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Speaker 2: question about the power prices. Patrick Carline will be here

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Speaker 2: to cover the day's top headlines, including Adam Vans ABC tantrum,

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Speaker 2: tens of millions plunged into darkness across a number of

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Speaker 2: countries in Europe.

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Speaker 3: I'll speak to an expert about whether.

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Speaker 2: Renewables are to blame. Kosher Gator has the latest from

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Speaker 2: the US as President Donald Trump notches up one hundred

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Speaker 2: days in office, and Stephanie Bastian should be here to

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Speaker 2: talk about a male athlete playing netball in a women's

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Speaker 2: competition and we never neglect that he's losing it. Tonight

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Speaker 2: starring this confused lass who seems to think that there's

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Speaker 2: no difference between a fetus and.

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Speaker 4: Assist abortion is anything. If I had a cessed on

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Speaker 4: my uterus that would be considered an abortion.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but first.

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Speaker 2: Simon Holmes Accord, the man behind the Till movement, has

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Speaker 2: issued an eleventh hour plea to support us to funnel

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Speaker 2: even more money into Climbate two hundreds million dollar fighting fund.

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Speaker 2: He's been warning that the Till's enemies had been underestimated

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Speaker 2: and that four MPs, in particular Monique Ryan, Zoey Daniels,

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Speaker 2: Sophie Scamps and Kate Cheney, are at risk of losing

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Speaker 2: their seats. This comes after volunteers for TILL MP Monique

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Speaker 2: Ryan were films saying they were instructed to vote for

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Speaker 2: her by the Hubei Association, an organization which has in

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Speaker 2: the past been accused of working with the United Front Department,

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Speaker 2: a Chinese Communist Party agency tasks with carrying out Beijing's

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Speaker 2: foreign influence operations. Monique Ryan has distanced her self from

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Speaker 2: the volunteers, claiming that she doesn't know them.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now for more on this, There's News.

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Speaker 2: Corpse senior writer Patrick Carl and Patrick are the Tills

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Speaker 2: in trouble. Some like Zoe Daniel have flown under the radar,

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Speaker 2: while Monique Ryan, she seems to be a bit of

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Speaker 2: a headline magnet.

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Speaker 5: Well, she's had a muddled campaign, if you want to

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Speaker 5: put it like that. There's been so many awkward moments

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Speaker 5: for Monique Ryan. She's been very visible, very busy, but

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Speaker 5: starting with her husband, I think been caught ripping out

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Speaker 5: the campaign sign.

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Speaker 1: It hasn't gone the.

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Speaker 5: Way that they would have hoped, and look, the world

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Speaker 5: has changed since twenty twenty two. I think the Till

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Speaker 5: vote back then was in a reflex almost to the

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Speaker 5: disdain that so many people felt for Scott Morrison and

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Speaker 5: for Scott Morrison's government. Climate change was a very big

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Speaker 5: issue then. It's still a big issue, but it's not

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Speaker 5: in the top five as we speak, so that hit

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Speaker 5: headwinds in a way that they certainly didn't face in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I think there'd been a lot more trouble if the

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Speaker 2: Coalition mounted a stronger campaign on energy policy, because cost

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Speaker 2: of living is such a huge issue, and we've seen

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Speaker 2: the tlmps show that they're not conservative alternatives. They're far

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Speaker 2: closer to the Greens than they are to the Coalition,

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Speaker 2: and that was the cell. Initially, this was supposed to

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Speaker 2: be an alternative for disenchanted liberal voters, Coalition voters, but

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Speaker 2: when you look at how they're voted, their voting record,

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Speaker 2: I mean you might as be voting for the Greens.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've had three years of reality since I've been elected,

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Speaker 5: and we've seen that those ideals that they talked about transparency,

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Speaker 5: they talked about accountability, ability in politics, and those really

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Speaker 5: did appeal, as I was saying before, because Scott Morrison

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Speaker 5: didn't seem to represent those things.

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Speaker 1: The world has changed a lot.

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Speaker 5: You've had issues of transparency with some of the campaigns

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Speaker 5: and it will be really interested to see how they go.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the the big questions I think for

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Speaker 5: Saturday Night.

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Speaker 1: How do they go?

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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to play you an extraordinary little exchange.

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Speaker 3: Listen here to two.

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Speaker 2: JB's Mark Levy put pressure on the Prime Minister over

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Speaker 2: power prices and his personal property. One minute he says

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Speaker 2: he doesn't have a private property.

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Speaker 3: In the next minute.

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Speaker 6: He does, you do have a personal property in Sydney?

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Speaker 6: Has your electricity bill gone up or down?

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Speaker 7: Obviously? I am live a life of privilege serving in

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Speaker 7: the lodge.

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Speaker 6: Simple question there, while we have a private property, the

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Speaker 6: Prime minis has gone up all down your electricity bill?

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't have a private property.

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Speaker 6: What I do is have So you don't have a

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Speaker 6: residence anywhere apart from the lodge, Yes I do, but

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Speaker 6: I don't.

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Speaker 7: I don't engage in any any pretense.

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Speaker 8: I don't live a life of.

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Speaker 1: But but what does that mean? My question to you is,

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Speaker 1: Doessky bill.

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Speaker 6: At your private resident's gone up all down? It's a

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Speaker 6: very simple question.

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Speaker 7: Well, I live in the lodge.

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Speaker 9: That's where I live.

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Speaker 6: So you're not there to tell us what your private

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Speaker 6: property your electricity, but whether it's gone up or down, that's.

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Speaker 10: Where I live.

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Speaker 2: Patrick PM didn't handle that too well. One minute he

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Speaker 2: doesn't have a private property, next minute he does. One

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Speaker 2: minute he's living a life of privilege, next minute he's not.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of that?

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Speaker 1: Look it was a poor moment.

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Speaker 5: Look you would think that his strategists would be saying, well,

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Speaker 5: you're going to be asked these questions, and that he

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Speaker 5: would have been better prepared.

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Speaker 1: Look, I think he just got caught out.

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Speaker 5: He was dreadful in the moment, which does happen to

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Speaker 5: be fair from time to time. You would have thought

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Speaker 5: he would have been in a position to actually try

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Speaker 5: and distract that question.

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Speaker 1: Away in a way that he couldn't.

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Speaker 5: Obviously, and you cringe when you listen to that, don't you.

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Speaker 2: You would think someone with his experience would handle those

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Speaker 2: sort of questions much better.

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Speaker 11: Now, SMP Global has worn.

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Speaker 2: That Australia's Triple A credit rating is at risk thanks

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Speaker 2: to the huge election spendeth on from the major parties

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Speaker 2: and the massive growth of off budget funds. But the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister is not heeding this warning that he is

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Speaker 2: instead lashed out and attack the agency. Here's what he

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Speaker 2: had to say on the seven thirty report.

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Speaker 7: The Triple A credit rating is there and what we've done.

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Speaker 7: They must have been beside themselves whoever wrote that particular

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Speaker 7: report when the coalition left us with a seventy eight

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Speaker 7: PM dollar deficit.

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Speaker 11: I'm confused, hear Patrick.

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Speaker 2: The PM is questioning the economic credentials of the experts

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Speaker 2: at standard and pause. I mean, really, is that a

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Speaker 2: plausible argument against what they have said? And to be fair,

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Speaker 2: they had criticism of both sides that is that the

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Speaker 2: coalition spending promises are also too high.

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Speaker 5: Look, it's been a spenders on this whole election campaign,

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Speaker 5: hasn't it from both sides. I just keep sort of

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Speaker 5: and you've got a situation now where Look, you've got

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Speaker 5: to listen to the economists before you take politicians seriously.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to numbers, they're basically saying our credit

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Speaker 5: rating could come down because there is so much spending

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Speaker 5: and there's going to be so much debt. And this

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Speaker 5: is on both sides, and I mean mister Albinezy sort

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Speaker 5: of responses, well, it'll be worse under the coalition. But

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Speaker 5: you look at that off budget fund which you mentioned.

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Speaker 5: I mean that that was supposed to be I think

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Speaker 5: thirty four billion dollars over five years. It's now over

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Speaker 5: one hundred billion dollars for the next five years.

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Speaker 1: It's become a.

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Speaker 5: Slush fund for vanity projects and it's technically off the books.

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Speaker 1: That's a worrying thing, definitely.

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Speaker 2: But is this Australian electorate largely disengaged from those macro shoes.

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Speaker 3: They care about tax.

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Speaker 2: Cuts or things that they will see in their bottom

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Speaker 2: line in their household budget, but things like the national

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Speaker 2: debt infationary pressures they seem to be I don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's the lack of economic literacy in the country

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Speaker 2: or whether there's just too complicated an issue for a

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Speaker 2: politician to properly articulate. That doesn't seem to be much

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Speaker 2: of a concern.

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Speaker 1: Look, that's certainly true.

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Speaker 5: I mean, both sides have sort of launched this have

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Speaker 5: this sort of phony campaign, you for like, where we're

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Speaker 5: talking about distractions, we should be talking about immigration, We

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Speaker 5: should be talking about defense. Most certainly no one's talking

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Speaker 5: about defense. We should be talking about how we're going

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Speaker 5: to provide secure energy and how we're going to keep

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Speaker 5: prices down, but for the long term, not next week,

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Speaker 5: not next month. And this whole campaign has been just

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Speaker 5: back and forth. We haven't been they've panned to what

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Speaker 5: they think this strain electric concerns are, and those concerns

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Speaker 5: are relatively minor, and in the moment there's much bigger

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Speaker 5: issues here. There hasn't been a lot of vision, has

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Speaker 5: there effort.

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Speaker 2: It's all been all about immediate gratification.

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Speaker 11: There's not much in long term planning.

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Speaker 2: You'd say the nuclear policies that that comes into effect

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Speaker 2: into twenty thirties, but the Coalition barely mentions that. And

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Speaker 2: it's a real point of differentiation with Labor and I

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Speaker 2: wonder why they don't stress that point more, why they

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Speaker 2: don't come up with policies that are going to impact

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Speaker 2: energy prices in the next few years.

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Speaker 5: Look, they've played too safe, the coalition right from the start.

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Speaker 5: They've tried to make themselves a small target. You end

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Speaker 5: up with these infuriating debates about how much about costings

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Speaker 5: and whether it's six hundred billion dollars or whether it's

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Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: And at that point everyone turns off, don't they.

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Speaker 5: I mean, people are sick of politicians sort of out

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Speaker 5: the other side and it's become this tip for tat

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Speaker 5: sort of scenario that really has left the electric very disengaged,

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Speaker 5: I think, and I think the coalition in the post mortems,

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Speaker 5: depending on the result, you'd look back and you say,

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Speaker 5: why weren't you bolder, Why weren't you actually describing visions

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Speaker 5: for the country that actually will make a big difference

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Speaker 5: for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Now before you go.

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Speaker 2: The welcome to Country debate has continued and got reignited

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Speaker 2: during ANZAC Day, and this is what happened when the

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Speaker 2: topic was brought up on the ABC's flagship Q and

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Speaker 2: A program last night. Greenslead Adam bad had a lot

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Speaker 12: It's just gutter politics from an opposition leader whose campaign

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Speaker 12: is in free form and he's starting to punch down.

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Speaker 12: Peter Dutton was the master of misinformation during the referendum

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Speaker 12: which is what was referred to there, spreading all sorts

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Speaker 12: of lies about what was going He's paying as he's

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Speaker 12: in free for he's punching down change from the Trump

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Speaker 12: pavled and we're.

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Speaker 1: Going to call it out.

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Speaker 2: All the usual lines you would expect from the Greens,

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Speaker 2: just such foolish arguments, straw man arguments, but they can

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Speaker 2: be impactful when it comes to the ABC audience.

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Speaker 11: But all the polling I've seen since ANZAC.

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Speaker 2: Day shows that the great majority of Australians are sick

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Speaker 2: and tired of these ceremonies. They want to see them

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Speaker 2: dramatically reduced or cut all together. In fact, there was

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Speaker 2: a poll I think in news dot com, an online

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Speaker 2: poll showing around seventy percent wanted to see no more

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Speaker 2: of these and around twenty percent wanted to see less.

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Speaker 5: Well, it becomes so divisive, haven't they, And I mean

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Speaker 5: they've sort of been seen to hijack public events. When

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Speaker 5: you look at ANZAC Day, it's about diggers, it's about veterans,

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Speaker 5: and when you have the welcome the country, that might

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Speaker 13: Well, as you highlight there's it's still early assessments exactly

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Speaker 2: Now, given the direction we are going in this country

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Speaker 13: As we have increased energy costs and particularly increased energy

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Speaker 2: Now you're in France at the moment, it's a heavy

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Speaker 13: Look, I think it's quite clear that most of the

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Speaker 13: But if you want to have a strong again blue

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Speaker 13: We've had it from coal for decades. We're now losing

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Speaker 2: You go, if you had one bit of advice to

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Speaker 13: Well, at this point, the best thing that Minister Chris

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Speaker 3: Soul Kavanick, thank you so much for your time tonight.

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Speaker 2: Lefties Losing ad plus for review Donald Trump's first one

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Speaker 2: Next, you're watching the Reader Pannies Show, and it's time

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Speaker 2: for lefties losing and and the Democrats, particularly the perpetually

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Speaker 2: Is these democracy denying hysterics want to see the duly

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Speaker 11: Why are there no calls for impeachment? This is unacceptable.

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Speaker 11: I will not live in an authoritative country and novel

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Speaker 3: You can do more.

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Speaker 14: I'd like you, and I will vote for you if

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Speaker 15: We need him impeached, we need him removed.

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Speaker 3: We need him removed.

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Speaker 2: Sounds a little insurrectiony to me, lady. They want him

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Speaker 3: And listen here.

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Speaker 2: To Senator Osof's response, it keeps the game away here.

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Speaker 2: The Democrats don't care why either. They will try to

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Speaker 16: I agree with you, but as I said at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: Well, the shrill Karen should start celebrating because some Democrats

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Speaker 2: Congressman Shri Thandada from the Great state of Michigan.

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump has already done real damage to our democracy,

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Speaker 10: The court said the wrongfully deported Kilmer Garcia must be

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Speaker 1: Trump he ignored it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he wants to impeach Donald Trump for not bringing

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Speaker 2: back a gang banger, gang banger who was in the

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Speaker 2: country illegally.

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Speaker 3: What a winning issue for the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm sure Donald Trump is terrified at this latest

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Speaker 2: sham impeachment plan and just as terrified of this dude.

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Speaker 1: Come about the third issues.

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Speaker 10: People are frustrated, were angry, people are fearful about what's

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Speaker 10: happening with the cuts in Washington, DC, the cadiffs.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure this latest impeachment movie is going to work

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Speaker 2: a treat. They must really be eager for President jd Vance. Guys,

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Speaker 2: just wait three and a half years.

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Speaker 3: And you will get it.

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Speaker 14: Now.

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Speaker 2: Here is something so absurd that you assume it must

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Speaker 2: be a work of satire. It must be.

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Speaker 8: Take a look at this actress playing Anne Frank, and

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Speaker 8: this one and this one and this one. What do

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Speaker 8: all of these actors have in common? They're all wait.

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Speaker 8: Over the years, our world has been getting more and

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Speaker 8: more diverse, but our Holocaust narratives have not been able

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Speaker 8: to keep up.

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Speaker 1: Until now.

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Speaker 8: I've created a new musical called slam Frank that combines

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Speaker 8: hip hop, spoken word, poetry, and mutual diversity so that

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Speaker 8: we can have a version of this story that is

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Speaker 8: prescient and relevant to future generations.

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Speaker 3: What can I say?

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Speaker 11: Sadly, this music will actually exists.

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Speaker 2: It's called slam Frank, a satirical reimagining of Anne Frank's story,

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Speaker 2: and it will be in theaters folks. Fittingly, it will

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Speaker 2: be at the Asylum in New York in June. Talking

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Speaker 2: about asylums, let's check in with this young lass who

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Speaker 2: seems to think that there's no difference between a fetus

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Speaker 2: and assist.

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Speaker 11: She's my favorite idiot of the week.

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Speaker 4: Abortion is anything. If I had a cyst on my

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Speaker 4: uterus that would be considered an abortion.

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Speaker 1: Yes, No, it's not.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is okay. Anything that is evolving.

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Speaker 16: The uterus, well, no, in order for it to be

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Speaker 16: an abortion, it must be a human life.

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Speaker 6: No, anything that's.

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Speaker 4: A bobby to the uterus, and you have the get

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Speaker 4: rid of it. It is considered abortion.

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Speaker 2: Now President Donald Trump has celebrated the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl champions of the White House with the Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: Eagles in attendance. The team and the President were in

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Speaker 2: great spirits. This is quite a departure from twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: when President Trump canceled the celebration for the Eagles after

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Speaker 2: he was advised that most players were not planning to

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Speaker 2: show up.

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Speaker 3: Well, what a difference seven years makes.

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Speaker 1: Let me just say, fly Eagles fly.

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Speaker 14: Right.

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Speaker 11: The players presented the President with.

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Speaker 2: His own jersey, and they even got a tour of

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Speaker 2: the Oval offers, with the players lining up to shake

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Speaker 2: the President's hand. And Trump was certainly in a good spirit.

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Speaker 2: It was reminiscing about the Super Bowl and even had

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Speaker 2: a little dig at Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 17: It was an incredible game, a little surprising, but right

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Speaker 17: from the beginning. In the first quarter of the Big Game,

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Speaker 17: which I was there, I watched in person, I was

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Speaker 17: there along with Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: How did that work out?

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Speaker 17: How did that one work out?

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Speaker 2: I remind you how that worked out. One of them

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Speaker 2: got massive cheers and the other one got booed.

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Speaker 1: Oh it was fun.

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Speaker 3: What good times?

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Speaker 2: Now, there were three players missing from the White House celebrations.

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Speaker 2: They blamed scheduling issues, like they.

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Speaker 3: Have something better to do.

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Speaker 2: One of those players, Yalen Jalen Hurts, had this pitifil

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Speaker 2: response last week when asked whether he was going to

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Speaker 2: be there.

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Speaker 9: Are you putting on visiting the White House next week?

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Speaker 14: So?

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 11: Yes, beautifully articulated.

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Speaker 3: They're so eloquent, so brave.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, your teammates are their hobnobbing with the.

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Speaker 3: President and they're taking iconic.

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Speaker 2: Selfies with his portrait that looks like Elias Rix there

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Speaker 2: and he declared his love.

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Speaker 3: For Ivanka after the.

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Speaker 2: White House visit, he posted this, He said, after seeing

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Speaker 2: her in person, Ivanka is exactly my type.

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Speaker 3: Good luck there.

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Speaker 2: Now let's bring in Sky News contributer Koja Gata Kosher.

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Speaker 2: We've got some serious things to discuss about the first

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Speaker 2: one hundred days of Donald Trump's second term. But we

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Speaker 2: can't underestimate the importance of the cultural phenomenon. We just

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Speaker 2: saw there the Super Bowl celebrations with the Eagles.

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Speaker 3: It didn't happen in.

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Speaker 2: Trump's first term, that visit was canceled. Very different dynamic

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Speaker 2: now for the president.

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Speaker 9: Very different.

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Speaker 14: It's almost like the arc, the story arc of his

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Speaker 14: cultural comeback alongside his political comeback is almost complete. Because

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Speaker 14: we've talked about everybody from the Silicon Valley Titans to

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Speaker 14: high finance people like Bill Ackman to doctor Phil to

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Speaker 14: the rap.

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Speaker 9: Industry to fifty cent to Bill Maher and now.

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Speaker 14: The super Bowl victors, the very Eagles who weren't very

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Speaker 14: enthusiastic about coming last time, as you said, pop nobbing

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Speaker 14: and rubbing.

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Speaker 15: Shoulders with him.

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Speaker 14: It's just it really just shows that that acceptance and

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Speaker 14: rehabilitation into pop culture, if you.

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Speaker 9: Will, of brand Trump and Trump the person has happened.

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Speaker 14: And people who are still holding out, the few holdouts

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Speaker 14: that those two players that you mentioned and Hollywood and

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Speaker 14: others look rather silly.

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Speaker 15: I would say this moment in time.

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Speaker 2: Now today is one hundred days of Trump's presidency, and

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Speaker 2: it has been a spectat.

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Speaker 11: Kill a ride.

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Speaker 2: No matter how you look at it, whether you're anti

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Speaker 2: all things trample America. First, his presidency has been remarkable.

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Speaker 2: He's set a furious pace and among his greatest achievements

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Speaker 2: is addressing and solving the border crisis.

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Speaker 11: The illegal immigration crisis. Kosher is over.

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Speaker 9: It really is.

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Speaker 14: It was something like at his peak, underbid on eleven

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Speaker 14: thousand illegal crossings per day and it's now down to

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Speaker 14: somewhere between two hundred and three hundred. That's virtually zero,

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Speaker 14: and in just one hundred days. It really is remarkable.

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Speaker 9: It shows that the missing ingredient.

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Speaker 14: Was enforcement and the political will to do enforcement, not

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Speaker 14: new books, laws on the books, not comprehensive immigration reform,

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Speaker 14: which is the thing that that was pointing to.

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Speaker 15: Just enforcement. That said, I think the wall.

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Speaker 14: While he's shown that it's not necessary to have the wall,

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Speaker 14: that is something that his base really want because it

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Speaker 14: has permanence, because all these things that he's doing now

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Speaker 14: around enforcement can be undone if somebody from the other

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Speaker 14: side gets back in. That is more for doing what

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Speaker 14: Biden did and reopening floodgates again.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the media is making the wall a big

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Speaker 2: issue despite the fact that their legal immigration crisis is over.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of talk about the wall and Who's

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Speaker 2: going to pay for it? This is something the borders

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Speaker 2: are Tom Homan addressed overnight.

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Speaker 18: Trump said in Mexico and pay for the wall, they

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Speaker 18: have been a roundabout way have been that putting ten

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Speaker 18: thousand military in the northern and southern border, taking the

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Speaker 18: action they did remain in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: They did not do that.

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Speaker 18: They're doing it, putting military on the southern boarder, have

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Speaker 18: moved all immigration to a record law. We're saving millions

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Speaker 18: of dollars every day on detention, transportation, removal proceedings. We've

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Speaker 18: more than made up for the.

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Speaker 11: Costs that wall kosher even without the wall.

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Speaker 2: The border crisis is over, and it's because clear that

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Speaker 2: the part and administration could have stopped or at least

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Speaker 2: reduced this issue. The flood of illegals coming in more

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Speaker 2: than two million a year under Biden, it seems like

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Speaker 2: it was a choice not to address the crisis.

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Speaker 14: It's pretty undeniable because everybody can see the numbers. And

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Speaker 14: that is really the conclusion that the American people are drawing,

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Speaker 14: which is that they did not want to stop the

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Speaker 14: crisis for whatever the reason is that you know, pouring

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Speaker 14: genographics in and whatever that does to the vote bank

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Speaker 14: and every other issue dependent how nefarious you want to

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Speaker 14: think their motives were. It was a choice because he's

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Speaker 14: proving how quickly and this has happened, and it's the

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Speaker 14: lowest it's been under any administration going all the way

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Speaker 14: back to Bush and before, so that really really is remarkable.

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Speaker 14: The wall, as I was mentioning, still has value, and

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Speaker 14: that's why his base does hope that he'll go through

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Speaker 14: with it. But the media nitpicking about who's paying for

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Speaker 14: it and all that. They're going back to what they

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Speaker 14: do on other issues that they have lost on so

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Speaker 14: dramatically in the political arena. They just go to my

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Speaker 14: nusha and getting into these granular arguments about little issues

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Speaker 14: because they've lost on the big issue and everybody can

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Speaker 14: see it now.

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Speaker 2: Having death, having dealt with illegal immigration, the administration is

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Speaker 2: focused on deporting the millions or in the country illegally,

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Speaker 2: and they're now posters of violent illegal immigrants who have

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Speaker 2: been arrested right outside the press. Tense Kosher, this is

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Speaker 2: on the White House lawn. It's sending quite a message

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Speaker 2: to the media, Kosher, because they are preoccupied with the

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Speaker 2: so called Maryland Dad, the gangbanger, and they are ignoring

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Speaker 2: the fact that violent criminals, killers, rapists are being arrested

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Speaker 2: and deported.

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Speaker 14: This is classic Trump, because the man understands media unlike

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Speaker 14: anybody else. And now those posters, as you say, are

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Speaker 14: going to be in the backdrop of every hit that

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Speaker 14: they do unless they try to reposition their cameras.

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Speaker 15: So that's really funny.

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Speaker 14: And the reason why is because he again has won

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Speaker 14: on the issue politically, He's one with the public, and

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Speaker 14: he's forcing them into a corner where they end up

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Speaker 14: having to keep defending people like who you see on

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Speaker 14: those posters. It look like, you know, blug shotting criminals

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Speaker 14: of tattoos on their faces, Maryland Dad, the sweet.

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Speaker 15: Student Khalil, all these people.

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Speaker 14: They're backing into defending the most indefensible people out of

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Speaker 14: the bunch of illegals. And this is just a strike

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Speaker 14: reminder every time they go to air. So it's going

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Speaker 14: to be really funny if those posters stay up.

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Speaker 2: And despite all the relentlessly negative media about the deportation program,

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Speaker 2: the polling shows that the majority of Americans are still

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Speaker 2: in favor of deporting all illegal immigrants, not just those

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Speaker 2: with criminal convictions, And I think that is a significant

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Speaker 2: point to note now the major battle right now for

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Speaker 2: the president is the trade wall, particularly with China.

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Speaker 3: This is a long.

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Speaker 2: Term strategy, kosher, but it involves a fair bit of

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Speaker 2: short term pain. You're in the US right now. Tell

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Speaker 2: me how the administration's handling.

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Speaker 3: This difficult issue.

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Speaker 2: How do you sell a policy that's all about the

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Speaker 2: long term interests of the country when you're going to

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Speaker 2: suffer a little bit of short term discomfort.

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Speaker 14: You know, it's not easy, and he is paying a

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Speaker 14: little bit of a price for it, including in his

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Speaker 14: own base somewhat, but by and large they still are

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Speaker 14: trusting him and sticking with him, just because the alternative,

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Speaker 14: which is the status quo, has not worked for the

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Speaker 14: last half century. So that's something that he can use

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Speaker 14: to his advantage that even if there's a bit of

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Speaker 14: fear of the unknown over here, and the short term

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Speaker 14: pain is something that's a tough pill to swallow, it's

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Speaker 14: better than the alternative.

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Speaker 15: He remains more popular than the opposition. He's sort of he's.

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Speaker 9: Coming to the end of his honeymoon period, but he's

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Speaker 9: still in it.

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Speaker 15: So this is the.

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Speaker 14: Time to strike while the iron's hot, while he's at

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Speaker 14: his peak in terms of acceptance. He's got the majority

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Speaker 14: in the legislative branch, and he's got a lot.

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Speaker 15: Of support for it.

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Speaker 14: So that's why he's sticking to his broad principles while

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Speaker 14: being flexible on the specifics, and you're seeing some course

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Speaker 14: correction or carbouds.

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Speaker 15: For certain sectors or countries or ab testing.

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Speaker 14: He does get criticism for that where people say, well, look,

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Speaker 14: there's no coherent strategy, but many would say that that's

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Speaker 14: actually part of his strategy. Stick to the fundamentals and

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Speaker 14: then be willing to course correct on the specifics as

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Speaker 14: you work through your strategy.

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Speaker 2: Now you're in DC right now, Democrats stronghold. But let's

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Speaker 2: talk about another Democrat stronghold, California and the bluest of

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Speaker 2: blue city San Francisco. So much of the crazy far

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Speaker 2: left ideology we see in public policy starts in California,

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Speaker 2: and this latest scheme is one that is certainly raising eyebrows.

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Speaker 2: They are bringing the concept of equity to speed cameras.

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Speaker 2: So if you're a high income owner and you speed,

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Speaker 2: you'll pay a lot more than someone on a lower income.

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Speaker 2: If you're in a lower income you get a fifty

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Speaker 2: percent discount kosher, and if you speed in your car,

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Speaker 2: but are homeless, Well, you qualify for an eighty percent discount.

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Speaker 2: Gavin Nuism is backing this plan. The California governor is

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Speaker 2: a fan Kosher. What do you think about this equity

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Speaker 2: in traffic fights?

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Speaker 14: It is so California because they just love progressive payment

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Speaker 14: curves on everything from taxes to utility bills and now

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Speaker 14: even speeding tickets. Everything's about income equality and you have

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Speaker 14: to have this progressive curve. But why it's even more

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Speaker 14: ridiculous here because it actually that position just doesn't make

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Speaker 14: sense economically.

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Speaker 15: It's actually immoral, many would say.

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Speaker 14: But here it's even worse because speeding is about keeping

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Speaker 14: road safe, and there's an externality component to it because

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Speaker 14: if you have unsafe drivers that speed and do other

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Speaker 14: things that are in violation of traffic laws, they're putting

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Speaker 14: other people at risk on the roads on top of themselves.

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Speaker 14: And so that's why the whole idea of speaking tickets

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Speaker 14: is it's a mechanism to not have that or to

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Speaker 14: minimize that. And then if you start segregating it, then

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Speaker 14: we're basically saying the lower income people are creating greater

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Speaker 14: risk on the roads for hurting somebody else and the

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Speaker 14: whole thing makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: And I can see this spreading throughout California, and some

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Speaker 2: of our lawmakers here in Australia, I think, will be

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Speaker 2: looking on with interest, and I nominate Victoria as the

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Speaker 2: first state where this sort of proposal would be considered.

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Speaker 3: Kosher gay that thank you so much of your time

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Speaker 3: tonight still to come.

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Speaker 2: The male athlete playing netball in eight women's competition, Stephanie

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Speaker 2: Bastian has the Beta welcome back joining me now is

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Speaker 2: the head of advocacy at Women's Forum Australia.

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Speaker 3: Ste Stephanie.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with this extraordinary story of a non binary

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Speaker 2: netball player called David Capron, who goes by he him

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Speaker 2: and they then pronouns. The Herald Sun reports he has

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Speaker 2: been playing in women's netball leagues for the past two seasons.

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Speaker 2: A women's netball coach whose team has played against Capron

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Speaker 2: has said that allowing him to compete against biological women

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Speaker 2: was ridiculous and a joke, and I quote so many

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Speaker 2: clubs were fuming because he was taking the piss and

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Speaker 2: the complaints have been made and a player who said

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Speaker 2: Capron trialed at her club said many women felt threatened

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Speaker 2: and upset that their spot would be taken by someone

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Speaker 2: who had played at a very high level in a

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Speaker 2: men's league. But Capron, a National Men's Championship player, has

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Speaker 2: told their old son he wanted to be a beacon

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Speaker 2: of hope for young queer kure so have little to

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Speaker 2: no representation in community.

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Speaker 3: Sport, steph.

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Speaker 2: What has been their reaction from netball authorities? Surely their

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Speaker 2: first priority is to protect female players and ensure fairness.

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Speaker 19: Look, first of all, can I just say how encouraging

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Speaker 19: and wonderful it is that these female players and the

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Speaker 19: coach are speaking out and pushing back. Netball Australia's response

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Speaker 19: has been mediocre at best. They came out supporting the

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Speaker 19: inclusion of trans players and said that if there are

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Speaker 19: concerns they'll look to address them. But I think Mark

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Speaker 19: Butler needs to be held accountable too, because two months

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Speaker 19: ago today he said that the women's sex based rights

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Speaker 19: for sport were protected under the Sex Discrimination Act, that

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Speaker 19: there were provisions in the SDA and that this wasn't

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Speaker 19: an issue. Now we have a man who's playing in

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Speaker 19: a female sport who's also playing as an inn and

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Speaker 19: a male category as well. It's an absolute job now.

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Speaker 19: The SDA needs reforming because there is a lack of clarity.

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Speaker 19: The rules are murky, It absolutely is murky, and Butler

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Speaker 19: has been completely.

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Speaker 2: Dismissive of this as an issue in Australia. He seems

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Speaker 2: to think it's just something that happens overseas and the

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Speaker 2: US and the UK and they're no local examples when

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Speaker 2: week after week, Sephany we seem to highlight local examples

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Speaker 2: and the women who speak out are often attacked or

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Speaker 2: just ignored.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, they face serious legal repercussions if they speak out,

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Speaker 19: they can be sued and dragged caught. But I think

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Speaker 19: the clubs are often in a similar position as well,

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Speaker 19: where they're afraid that if they do push back, or

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Speaker 19: they're afraid of litigation because under the STA they're not protected.

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Speaker 19: There needs to be greater clarity and if you read

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Speaker 19: the SDA revisions in conjunction with the austral Human Rights

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Speaker 19: Commissioned Sporting Guidelines, it's just it's a legal mindfield that

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Speaker 19: needs to be cleared up by Parliament now.

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Speaker 2: As we're reported last night, the women will speak rally

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Speaker 2: in Melbourne on the weekend, organized by Women's Voices Australia

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Speaker 2: descended into chaos after was disrupted by pro trans protesters.

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Speaker 2: There was a counter protest which quickly became violent.

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Speaker 20: Street fights break out in the city. Fists fly as

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Speaker 20: transgender rights protesters and opponents scuffle in skirmishes, Capsicum spray

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Speaker 20: used to disperse crowds, police storming in to arrest two people.

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Speaker 20: Across four hours of mayhem, this protester unmasked on Swanston Street.

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Speaker 20: Others obstructing roads and blocking trams as they marched through

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Speaker 20: the city. Our of cat and mouse with police through

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Speaker 20: the CBD steph.

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Speaker 2: There was four hours of mayhem in the Melbourne CBD,

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Speaker 2: only a couple of arrests and women again were intimidated

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Speaker 2: for just holding a peaceful protest.

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Speaker 19: It's extraordinary. I mean, look at the heavy police presence

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Speaker 19: to protect these women speaking out. We are constantly told

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Speaker 19: that these transwrts activists are marginalized, they're victims, but for

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Speaker 19: such a well supported, well funded lobby group, they're extremely violent.

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Speaker 19: They're absolute bullies. There were shop owners closing their stores

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Speaker 19: to protect their customers and their merchandise from the rabble

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Speaker 19: running through the street.

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Speaker 3: And once again there's been.

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Speaker 19: A lack of political leadership in calling out and condemning

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Speaker 19: their behavior. This behavior will not stop until it is

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Speaker 19: condemned in the media and by a political leaders across

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Speaker 19: the board.

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Speaker 2: And we've seen this behavior over and over again. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: the more demail incident is the one that we have

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Speaker 2: spoken about repeatedly, the fact that she was attacked, despite

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Speaker 2: the fact that she was a victim of this phenomenon

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Speaker 2: where women try to hold a rally to talk about

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Speaker 2: their rights and these counter protests to show up. They're violent,

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Speaker 2: they're feral, more deeming was physically assaulted, she was verbally assaulted,

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Speaker 2: and then her own party leader attacked her. Have we

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Speaker 2: come some distance from that that was a couple of

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Speaker 2: years ago, Stephanie. Is there a little bit more sanity

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Speaker 2: when we see these sort of scenes and some of

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Speaker 2: the media reporting seems to be a little bit more

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Speaker 2: balanced now compared to a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, the conversation has definitely changed, and that is a

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Speaker 19: silver lining in this whole scenario. I couldn't find any

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Speaker 19: fault with the reporting. It was very the way that

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Speaker 19: it was discribed women's rights rallies, trans rights activists. It

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Speaker 19: was all very accurate and I think that, you know,

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Speaker 19: the new leader, Brad Batton, has been very supportive of Moira,

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Speaker 19: which is very encouraging. So yes, I think the conversation

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Speaker 19: is shifting, and I think the police also should be

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Speaker 19: commended for their wonderful role in protecting women. The dial

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Speaker 19: is moving that these society's attitudes are changing and shifting,

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Speaker 19: which I think is really positive, and it's helped by

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Speaker 19: decisions in the UK and Trump's executive orders, and hopefully

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Speaker 19: we see more of this to come.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Talking about the UK, actor Pedro Pascal has attacked author JK.

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Speaker 2: Rowling on x following the UK Supreme Court's historic ruling

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Speaker 2: confirming that a woman is indeed an adult female. Pascal

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Speaker 2: was responding to a comment from an activist urging people

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Speaker 2: to boycott JK. Rolling's works. This is what he said

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Speaker 2: about the best selling author and women's rights champion. And

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Speaker 2: excuse me for the language here he said, awful, disgusting

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Speaker 2: shit is exactly right. Heinous loser behavior, Steph. This is

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Speaker 2: just such a hideous attack against a woman who should

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Speaker 2: be a hero to the left. She is off the

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Speaker 2: left politically other than on this issue. She is very

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Speaker 2: so called progressive and yet this is how she is

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Speaker 2: smeared for merely standing up for women's rights and being

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Speaker 2: on the right side of history.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, he comes across as another entitled male celebrity telling

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Speaker 19: woman what they can and can't think. I mean, we

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Speaker 19: hear words like misogyny and the patriarchy thrown around, and

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Speaker 19: I don't buy into those terms too often, but I

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Speaker 19: see it a lot in this movement, and it's just

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Speaker 19: not acceptable. It should be called out and condemned by

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Speaker 19: the media industry.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Stephanie Bastien, thank you so much for your time tonight,

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Speaker 2: and that's all the time we have tonight.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night. Up next, it's Newsnight.