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Speaker 1: Michelle Payne, Welcome to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You're most welcome.

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Speaker 3: Actually, that's a real honor privilege to have someone like

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Speaker 3: you sitting here in front of me. To be frank

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Speaker 3: with you, I never thought. I never expected.

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Speaker 1: Famous is not a good word. I don't like that

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Speaker 1: word famous.

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Speaker 3: But have someone as highly respected as you and having

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Speaker 3: achieved the levels you've achieved, and you know, I don't

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Speaker 3: mean this in a condescending way, but being female as

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Speaker 3: well in a male sport, which you know, that's something

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Speaker 3: that I never envisaged. And and thanks to our great

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Speaker 3: friend Naneah Melton. I'm so happy that you're here. And

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Speaker 3: bear with me because I mean everyone in Australia follows

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Speaker 3: Melbourne Cup. Everyone Australia has a bit of a bet.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know much about your game or the

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Speaker 3: game you used to be in now you're a trainer.

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Speaker 3: We just bear with me a little bit because maybe

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Speaker 3: this is even better that I don't know, because I'm

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Speaker 3: going to ask some questions you might think a bit naive,

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Speaker 3: but the things I'm really curious about, and before, but

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Speaker 3: before I do that part, there's something else I'm really

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Speaker 3: curious about.

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Speaker 1: What it's like.

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Speaker 3: And I watched the Netflix show on you you know,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I saw all that sort of stuff,

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Speaker 3: But I'm so glad I actually got you here in

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Speaker 3: front of me. What is it like to be the

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Speaker 3: youngest of ten kids? I mean, that's like mental I

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Speaker 3: just can't imagine. I just can't imagine what it'd be like,

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Speaker 3: especially as well not having your mom there. From from

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Speaker 3: you probably never would never really knew it. I will never

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Speaker 3: had a chance of knowing you. What's that like when

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Speaker 3: you reflect back.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny you say that. Like, as I'm older now,

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Speaker 2: I realized how unusual that is to have such a

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Speaker 2: big family. But obviously I didn't know any different growing up,

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Speaker 2: so it was it was all we knew. It was

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Speaker 2: a madhouse. My dad did his best, raising all ten

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Speaker 2: of us on his own. When Mom passed away, I

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Speaker 2: didn't have a room for the first seven years of

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Speaker 2: my life, didn't have a bed, so I just found

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Speaker 2: somewhere to sleep. And then after that I shared with Stevie,

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Speaker 2: my the second youngest, older brother, who has Down syndrome,

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Speaker 2: and that in itself, you know, had it challenges because

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Speaker 2: he would snore and talk to himself and whatever. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was. It was fast paced kids everywhere. When I

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Speaker 2: was born, my oldest sister, two older sisters were already

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Speaker 2: riding in races, so they were fifteen and sixteen, so

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Speaker 2: they were off to the races. So as I grew

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Speaker 2: a lot of the other kids below them started racing.

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Speaker 2: So we had a house full of jockeys. And my

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Speaker 2: dad was a horse trainer, so up early training the

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Speaker 2: horses with him. Us younger kids stayed in the house

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Speaker 2: and cleaned it. We all had our chores while the

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Speaker 2: older ones went out and did the stable work and

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Speaker 2: got the horses done. So it was just a working family.

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Speaker 2: My dad loved it. He said it was some of

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Speaker 2: the best years of his life, even though he had

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Speaker 2: obviously lost my mum, which was devastating. That a really

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Speaker 2: good marriage and loving marriage. But yeah, it was. It

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Speaker 2: was pretty fun, I have to say.

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Speaker 1: It was fun. Always fun.

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Speaker 2: Not always fun. You know, when we went to school

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Speaker 2: and we were tired, falling asleep at school because we're

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Speaker 2: up early doing our jobs, and thought we were a

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Speaker 2: little bit hard done by that. We had to work

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Speaker 2: But when we look back, we had so much fun.

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Speaker 2: We were always you know, outside playing games and activities,

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Speaker 2: and I think sometimes we look back and think we

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Speaker 2: survived because obviously hard for dad to keep track of

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Speaker 2: ten kids. He just had to let us go. Stevie

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Speaker 2: and I were the youngest two, and he was, you know,

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Speaker 2: older than me but down syndrome. So you know, we

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Speaker 2: and having the time of our lives. But you know,

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Speaker 2: looking back, you know it was probably a bit dangerous

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Speaker 2: in a way, but at the same time a wonderful childhood.

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Speaker 3: It's because not only were you one of ten, which is, like,

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Speaker 3: if we go back twenty thirty years, that wasn't normal

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Speaker 3: there neither. But then of course, no mother, your dad.

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Speaker 3: I mean I got four kids, four sons, and I

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Speaker 3: pretty much raised my four sons on mine. They live

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Speaker 3: that was enough for me. But I had, you know,

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Speaker 3: do all the washing and sort of all I did

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Speaker 3: was go to work and have dinner with them at night.

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Speaker 3: Your dad, do you sit back and reflect on how

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Speaker 3: the hell did you do it?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Obviously the older you get, you realize. And he's

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Speaker 2: a pretty amazing man in his own way. Like I said,

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Speaker 2: to even be relaxed enough to let us go out

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Speaker 2: have survived if he was worrying about every one child.

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Speaker 2: In a way, a bit of luck went our away

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Speaker 2: sort of having that free rain on the farm, Like

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Speaker 2: we had motorbikes and like four wheelers. There was a

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Speaker 2: channel that ran beside our dairy farm, which we had

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Speaker 2: at one point growing up, and yeah, you know, we

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Speaker 2: of luck come his way as well. But yeah, when

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Speaker 2: I look back and think what he did, you know,

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Speaker 2: running the family, running the business, obviously having the dairy farm,

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Speaker 2: which is relentless work, you know, morning and night. Not

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Speaker 2: only with that, though, he raised us by giving us competitions, geography, competitions, spelling,

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Speaker 2: raising ten kids, running a business and being able to

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Speaker 2: do that as well. I honestly take my hat off

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Speaker 2: to him. And with that as well, he always made

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Speaker 2: sure we had really good manners. You know, if you

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Speaker 2: give them a good, firm handshake. He was never too

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Speaker 2: tired to do that. And he is a remarkable man.

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Speaker 3: What was his superpower when you think about it, he

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Speaker 3: must have some sort of superpower, Like I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: something like it looks like sound by the sound of it,

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Speaker 3: it's like he just jumped.

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Speaker 1: Off the cross like he's so good. Well, what was

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Speaker 3: Was his endurance or was it his his ability to communicate?

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Speaker 3: Or was it his ability to like a certain resilience

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Speaker 3: or stamina that he had.

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Speaker 2: I think probably a certain resilience and his capability to

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Speaker 2: just handle hard times. Like obviously I used to think

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Speaker 2: career wasn't going as good as I'd like it to be,

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Speaker 2: or just just down in the dumps. And I would

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Speaker 2: think back to that day when they came to the

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Speaker 2: kids to school in a car accident, and just think,

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Speaker 2: how would anybody get through that, and how he did.

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Speaker 2: Would have just said to the kids, you know, we've

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Speaker 2: got to stick together and get through it together. And

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Speaker 2: that's his mindset. I've lost two sisters since then, and

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Speaker 2: same thing. Devastating, and he's absolutely devastated, but he just

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Speaker 2: stays so strong. And I think a big part of

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Speaker 2: that is his faith. He is very religious, rare Catholic.

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Speaker 2: We would always go to church every Sunday growing up,

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Speaker 2: all the kids, and you know, we'd be sitting around

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Speaker 2: watching TV or having dinner and he'd say, okay, kids,

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Speaker 2: we'll say the Rosary, and we'd stop and say the

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Speaker 2: Rosary three times all together, and he'd just always talk about,

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Speaker 2: you know, his faith, and I think that is what

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Speaker 2: got him through losing my mum and then again my

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Speaker 2: life is tough and having that faith is certainly a

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Speaker 3: With your older siblings, particularly the female ones, are they

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Speaker 3: much more matriarchal to say the younger kids.

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Speaker 1: As a result of your moum not being there. Do

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Speaker 1: you think do they think they took.

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Speaker 3: Up the flag for your dad realizing there was no

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Speaker 3: leading woman in the family, so to speak, and that

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Speaker 3: they knew that they had to do the work of

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Speaker 2: Definitely, they were remarkable, I think, having had the presence

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Speaker 2: I've been told by Dad, she was an amazing lady.

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Speaker 2: She had ten children, she ran the books of the business,

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Speaker 2: She cooked and cleaned. Amazing cook They said she was

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Speaker 2: Swiss and she cooked a lot of Swiss meals. And

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Speaker 2: we had a cow. She'd milk the cow for the kids,

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Speaker 2: and then she take the leftover milk into the homeless

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Speaker 2: my sister's had that role model growing up. And when

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Speaker 2: me to feel that presence of her and used to

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Speaker 2: tell me every day, you know, how much he loved her,

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Speaker 2: then I think, yeah, my sisters saw the need to

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Speaker 2: second oldest Trees, she really took the role of being

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Speaker 2: and just remarkable. And I remember sort of being in

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Speaker 2: younger primary school years and Mother's Day at school, I'd

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a mom to buy a gift for.

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Speaker 2: It was just I'd buy one for Trees. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: I feel so lucky to have had their presence in

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Speaker 2: and yeah, just remarkable. To think how they took that

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Speaker 3: Do those things in turn and have those things in turn,

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Speaker 3: like your dad's resilience and these sort of mental toughness

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Speaker 3: and your sister's ability to nurture the whole family? Do

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Speaker 3: those Do you think those things stood by? Because you know,

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Speaker 3: often parents tell kids, you've got to be this, and

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Speaker 3: you can't do that, and.

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Speaker 1: You've got to do that.

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Speaker 3: But actually kids watch what their parents are doing, and

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Speaker 3: or older brothers sisters for that matter too, and they

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Speaker 3: tend to do what they see as opposed to what

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Speaker 3: they're here. And do you reckon in some of those

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Speaker 3: darker times that you've had, like when you've been injured,

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Speaker 3: They're generally speaking, they are the best to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Out of all your brothers and sisters, it seems like

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've played you know, games together and

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Speaker 2: close with him. We own our farms together now, and

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Speaker 3: I don't want to get too weird about God and

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Speaker 2: I just think, like we say many times, he's a

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Speaker 2: He has Stevie there living with him. They get on

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Speaker 2: unbelievably well. Dad teases Stevie like you wouldn't believe. I

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Speaker 2: know he's down syndrome, but we've never treated him like

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Speaker 2: You know, to imagine that could have ever possibly happened,

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Speaker 1: And a miracle and fairy tale.

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Speaker 3: I mean when I think of your dad at eighty nine,

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Speaker 3: Mentally frail because you know it's getting on and you

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Speaker 3: I explore that because I don't know, I've never had experience.

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Speaker 3: Like an amazing looking animal, unbelievably athletic. They're big, muscular.

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Speaker 3: On one hand, they're really you know, you have a

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Speaker 1: What does that old like? I don't understand it.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a whole range of things. Really, we

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Speaker 2: But we were taught from a young age that they

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Speaker 2: that connection that they're not going to be able to

436
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 2: get away with doing whatever they want to want to do.

437
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 2: And even you know, from a five year old, no

438
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: matter how big they were, they still respect if you

439
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 2: show them that you're you know, strong enough and you'll

440
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: stand up to them. But they'll sense fear in a

441
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: second that they're unbelievably intuitive, Like obviously dogs are incredibly intuitive,

442
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: but every much, every every bit as much that as them.

443
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: So it's all about that they they and then once

444
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: you've got that, it's about mutual respect and then they

445
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 2: trust you and once you have their trust. It's the

446
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,880
Speaker 2: most amazing feeling in the world, Like you could ride

447
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 2: a horse on a piece of cotton when when it,

448
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: you know, responds to you. And that feeling is one

449
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 2: of the best things about, you know, being a jockey,

450
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: because you need everything to be going your way in

451
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 2: a race. It's it's a game of inches. It's dangerous

452
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,879
Speaker 2: and pardon parcel of that is having a horse that

453
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 2: will do what you want to do at you know,

454
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: split second decisions and stuff like that. So it makes

455
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: it a great sport in a way. In that way

456
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: because you're working with an animal and not just any animal,

457
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: you know, six hundred kilo beast And that's part of

458
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: what I love so much about writing, because it's not

459
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 2: easy and you have to work hard at it and

460
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: one of the most beautiful things about working with the

461
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: animals that we do.

462
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 3: Do you know, we've just gone through maybe five factors

463
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 3: or so, you know, at the risk of repeating myself,

464
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 3: mother passed away at the age of six months, the

465
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: youngest of teen kids. An unbelievable relationship with your down

466
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: syndrome older brother too's older. Becoming a jockey, small, smallish

467
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: person dealing with a massive beast. Every thing I've asked

468
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 3: you about, most people would see as a challenge, some

469
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 3: would feel feeling and there's a number of other challenges

470
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: we're going to talk about a moment. Some people would

471
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 3: feel as on some occasionally the victim. But for some reason,

472
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 3: every one of them, you've turned into a good thing,

473
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 3: like it's some sort of blessing. Like everyone, where the

474
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,199
Speaker 3: hell do you get that sort of mindset from? That's

475
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: a mindset game? You're born that way? Or would you

476
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: develop that way? Or did your dad drum it into

477
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: you or did you dream about it? Is it part

478
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: of your faith?

479
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 1: What is it?

480
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: Not sure? From a very young age, I was really

481
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 2: a quiet kid. I think probably being the youngest of

482
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: ten you'll put back into place pretty quickly. So I

483
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 2: watched and learned and listened a lot, and I think

484
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 2: that's a big thing. You obviously learn a lot more

485
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: when you're quiet and you're listening. And I had a

486
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: lot of brothers and sisters wanting to teach me too,

487
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: like I was a little one, and they just wanted

488
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: to help where they could. And I really am blessed

489
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: to have had the upbringing that I've had because of that.

490
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think just you know, just sitting back

491
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: watching it all, also believing I could do it. I

492
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 2: think that was one of the biggest things. There's one

493
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 2: line that I've said a few times about my dad

494
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: and that he used to walk around the house saying,

495
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 2: just daily, the girls are as good as the boys,

496
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: they just need the opportunities. And you know, he was

497
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 2: just saying it because my older sisters are right and

498
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: they won't get in the riots. He thought sometimes they should,

499
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: and he just would say it off the cuff, not thinking,

500
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, I would listen or take me so random. Yeah, ye,

501
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: and yeah, I just grew up listening to those words, thinking, well,

502
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: that sounds pretty good to me, sounds pretty right, so exactly,

503
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: and I grew up thinking, you know, why couldn't I be,

504
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: you know, as good as the boys. I work hard,

505
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 2: I've grown up with all my life, watched my older

506
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: sisters who did very well and just needed the opportunities

507
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: to prove that. And I think that, you know, simple

508
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 2: line of that as a young kid just embedded into

509
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: my brain and gave me the confidence to believe in myself.

510
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 3: So you're saying to me, he didn't sit you down

511
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: and say to you, you can be as good as anybody,

512
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: or you know you can if you get the opportunity,

513
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 3: you can be as good as the boys or any boy.

514
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: But you just sort of randomly hurt it like as

515
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: part of his let's call it his pattern. You know

516
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: that the way he spoke, and you obviously heard it

517
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: a lot, and then there's something about your belief system

518
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 3: and so you believed him. What is it that has

519
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: gets a young kid? What do you think in your

520
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 3: case at least, is that for you as a young child,

521
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: believed in your dad Because you know, some times you

522
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: tell kids.

523
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: Things, you know, I said, we are four kids.

524
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't they say, yeah right, dad, Especially

525
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 3: these days, they don't believe everything I say. You know,

526
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: they believe in everything I say, particularly these days they

527
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: are older. But when even when they were kids, and

528
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: in fact, some personalities out of my son's would go

529
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 3: the opposite direction no matter what I said, but I

530
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 3: tended to say it to them as opposed to just

531
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 3: sort of randomly saying it. What is it about you

532
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 3: that allowed you to believe that what your dad said

533
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 3: was correct?

534
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 1: Because that's the biggest challenge that you've overcome.

535
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 2: I think he wasn't, like you said, he wasn't saying

536
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 2: it directly to me or any of us. And he

537
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: probably even didn't even know I was listening, because we

538
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: was busy.

539
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: It was.

540
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: It was an noisy household. There was always fights and

541
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 2: you know, kids everywhere. So if I asked him, yeah,

542
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 2: I doesn't even know I tell that story because and

543
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: if I asked him that, he probably wouldn't even nearly

544
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: remember or think. You know, I was sitting there like, oh, yeah, right,

545
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: that sounds pretty right, and yeah, probably just that fact.

546
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: And you know, like I said, it was a busy household.

547
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: Kids were coming and going all the time. There's cars

548
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: everywhere in the front yard, race bags everywhere, saddles and

549
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 2: stuff like it. It's hard to even explain, to imagine.

550
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: The movie couldn't depict how crazy it really was, even

551
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: though they tried. So, yeah, just in that madhouse, and

552
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: you know, kids are coming home from the races. How'd

553
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 2: you go today? You don't know? Good got taken off

554
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,479
Speaker 2: this one? So we were hearing all of those I

555
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: was hearing all of those things, you know, of just

556
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: every day working life. And you know, it wasn't pretend

557
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: everything was you know, survival and you know, a real

558
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: life job, and it's a tough job. You've got people

559
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: putting a lot of money into their horses, people gambling

560
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 2: on them, people yelling out over the fence at them,

561
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: you know, giving them grief or whatever. So I think

562
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: it was just a way of him supporting my older sisters,

563
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: you know, to you know, you can be as good

564
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: as the guys. You just need the opportunities and hopefully

565
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: one will come their way. And he also trained a

566
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: number of horses. I think he had around twenty five

567
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: and shared them as best he could between them all

568
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: as well. So he just needed a good horse to

569
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 2: give them that. And one story that blows me away

570
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: is my older sister Tree, So I spoke about she

571
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: was fourteen when she started racing, which I started at fifteen,

572
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: and I was such a baby. I thought I was ready.

573
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 2: And you get thrown into the world of racing and

574
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: you're inner field on this six hundred killer, out of

575
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: control because you're still getting stronger, getting pushed around from

576
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: pillar to post by the older job and I remember

577
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: thinking stuff, Oh my god, I didn't think this. I

578
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be prepared because I've watched so many races.

579
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: She rode as a fourteen year old, and she was

580
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: riding for six months and dad had a horse going

581
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: for the Adelaide Cut, which is a two mile race

582
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: Group one at that point, which is top level, and

583
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: he needed a rider at forty seven kilos and he

584
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: was struggling to find somebody, and so he thought, I'll

585
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: put trees on. So by this stage she was fourteen

586
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: and a half years old've been riding six months going

587
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: into a two mile race on a stallion, which is

588
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: even bigger and stronger. To me, that blows me away

589
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: that you know she was able to do that, And

590
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 2: I asked her about it, she says, I was all right,

591
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: she just just went out there and did it. So

592
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: that was upbringing I had watching, you know, those those

593
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: sort of things and wouldn't be heard of today. I

594
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 2: think the younger ship can start riding at sixteen. So

595
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: just remarkable.

596
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: You just said just as it was forty seven and

597
00:29:58,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: a half kilos.

598
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: I think you said had forty seven, so she would

599
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: have been around forty five forty.

600
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: Five killows and just just on that.

601
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: Just so we get a bit of an insight into

602
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: a jockey's life and I'd like to actually cover off,

603
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: you know, the training regimes, et cetera, in terms of

604
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: time and all that sort of stuff and the competition

605
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: around it. But just in terms of being forty five kilos,

606
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: even a.

607
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: Diminutive woman.

608
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: Would struggle at forty four to get to forty five kilos.

609
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 3: What does it actually mean like in terms of how

610
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: you lead your life. Maybe for the week before the

611
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 3: race and maybe maybe and I don't know, do you

612
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: need to train at do you need to take the

613
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: horse for training around the.

614
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: Paddock at forty five as well?

615
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: Or or the it' say okay for you to be

616
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: much heavier before you lose weight, And what's the weight

617
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: loss program look like?

618
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: How intense and hectic?

619
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: So for her, she was fourteen, so she was really light.

620
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: For example, when I started racing, was forty seven at fifteen,

621
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: so sort of the build of our family and at

622
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: that age is still growing and you know she might

623
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: be fifty fifty five now for kill those still small. Yeah,

624
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: we're still small people. But as you get older and

625
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: you're mature and you get to your full size, that's

626
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: when the challenge comes to maintaining weight and being at

627
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: the right weight on the day. That can be a

628
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: whole range of challenges, and people do it in different

629
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: ways to suit themselves, suit their bodies the best way

630
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: that they're going to perform on the day. You have

631
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: to sort of work that out along the way. One

632
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: thing might work for somebody. Yeah, one thing might work

633
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 2: for somebody not another. So yeah, it all just depends

634
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: on the individual. But you're watching your learn things and

635
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: you try if that works, that works, If it doesn't,

636
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: try something else.

637
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: Did you ever do anything that sort of resulted in

638
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: you being not ready to write as a result of

639
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: maybe pulling the punt in the punch, pulling the wrong

640
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 3: rain on your own weight loss, So you know, like

641
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: if you're not experiencing this sort of stuff and for

642
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: some reason you decided, well, I'm just not going to

643
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: drink any water for two days. And by the way,

644
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: that top of weed stuff does happen in other sports,

645
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: but it affects your brain. You thought by process is

646
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: your strength, your ability to respond, your time to respond,

647
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: which all those things are critical in what you were doing.

648
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: Did you ever stuff it up?

649
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: One time that I can recall is I had my

650
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: first ride in the Corfield Cup at fifty kilos. I

651
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: think I was twenty four at the time, and the

652
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 2: fifty kilos I hadn't ridden for six years in the

653
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: lead up to it, but it was one of my

654
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: biggest opportunities to ride in a race like that. That

655
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: then went on to race in the Melbourne Cup, so

656
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: I definitely wasn't saying no, but getting to that was

657
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: just one of the toughest things I've had to go through.

658
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: I think the last half a kilo on the day

659
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: took me seven hours to get off. It just wouldn't

660
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 2: come off my body. Eventually got to the weight and

661
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: rode the horse. She ran well, She ran top eight,

662
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: which was really good. And then the next week I

663
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: was riding. It was for champion trainer Buck Cummings, and

664
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 2: you know, it was an unbelievable opportunity to ride for

665
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 2: such a trainer of his caliber. And I was riding

666
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: again for him the next week in the Mini Valley

667
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: Cup and it had fifty one kilos and I thought

668
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: that should be right. I've just ridden fifty should be

669
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: piece of Kate get into fifty one. Anyway, the morning

670
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 2: of the race, I had, I think a kilo to

671
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 2: lose and I thought that was in range I usually

672
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: could lose up to a killer and a half if

673
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: I had to anyway, my body would not let go.

674
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: I could not lose the weight, and I was running

675
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: out of time. Ended up having to make my way

676
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: to the track and I rang the foreman at the time,

677
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 2: Redge Fleming, and I said, Redge, I'm not going to

678
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: be able to make the weight. I don't even think

679
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: I can be half over. I think I'm going to

680
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: be a killer over. And he said, oh, but it's

681
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: not going to be happy. We might have to try

682
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: and find a replacement. But if there's not a replacement,

683
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: you obviously have to ride it. But anyway got there,

684
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: no one could ride the horse, so I wrote it

685
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: a kill over. She ran third, she ran really well.

686
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: I don't think it effective where she because she was

687
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: beaten too far for a second. But I did lose

688
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: the ride, I know the next start, but was then

689
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: lucky enough to go on and ride the same horse

690
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: for bart in the Melbourne Cup from the Corfield Cup

691
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: at fifty and a half. But I had ten days

692
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 2: then to try to get back down to that weight.

693
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: So that's the whole thing about learning your body. I

694
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: didn't realize because I'd done it so tough to get

695
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: to the fifty my body didn't want to let go

696
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 2: to get to fifty one the next week. So just

697
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: things like that. A Yeah, crazy that it can make

698
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 2: such a difference.

699
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: And does it affect you sleep?

700
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: You're exhausted, has a jockie, You're up at three three

701
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 2: point thirty, you ride, ride all morning, you come home,

702
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: you might get an hour's nap. You might not even

703
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 2: get that. You go to the race all day, get

704
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: home seven, eight, nine o'clock. So sleeping was the right

705
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: of them.

706
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're exhausted, be you've.

707
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: Go to bed hungry, you go to hit bed with

708
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: this stomach churning most of the time.

709
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 3: Do you feel as though sometimes whilst you choose, you

710
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: choose at life everything to sort. Wow, I don't need

711
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 3: permanent damage to myself from living that life during that

712
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: sort of critical period of growth, growing, et cetera. Especially

713
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say it, but I'm going to say especially

714
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 3: for a woman, because there's lots of other things going

715
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 3: on for a female at the time.

716
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think definitely in some ways it's you know,

717
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: it's tough. You're starving yourself sometimes it's healthier than eating

718
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: bad things though. That's true, So it's probably the extreme

719
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: way of looking after yourself. But you're healthy. You've got

720
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: to be healthy to perform it. You're an athlete, you know,

721
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: like you said before, you've got to be thinking split

722
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 2: second decisions, decisions. You've got to be sharp, you've got

723
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: to be alert, you've got to be strong. You're writing

724
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: a six hundred killer animal, you're in a race. You've

725
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: got to be agile. Everything has to work together. So

726
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: whilst you know it could be seen as unhealthy in

727
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: a way, I think it probably is not the worst

728
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 2: way of living. But as a female, it can affect

729
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: your cycle just because you're underweight. I haven't had any kids,

730
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: but my sisters have had no trouble having kids and

731
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: they live the same sort of similar life. And yeah,

732
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: hopefully it's not going to be any effect on me.

733
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, in a way, I think overeating and eating

734
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: bad foods is more unhealthy and going up partying than

735
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 2: probably the life we were living.

736
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: It's a good way to look at it. I mean,

737
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 3: it's not the way I was thinking, but it's a

738
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: good way to look at it. As typical from just

739
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 3: this half hour conversation. So far, you look at everything

740
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 3: from the bright side. You're optimistic about everything. I often

741
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: want to know when you're sitting there ready to the

742
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 3: race about to start and you're getting ready, are you

743
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: excited or nervous or shitting yourself?

744
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: What was going on?

745
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 2: You know? Oh my god, I could tell you a

746
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 2: whole range of feelings. The amount of thought you can

747
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: have interest many times amazing, all of them exactly. So

748
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: learning to deal with nerves was one of the biggest

749
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: things that I found from a young age because I

750
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: wanted it so bad. I tribe my whole life to

751
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: be jockey and the best I could be. And finally

752
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: you get opportunities and good ones and good races, your

753
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: horses favorite. You're like, right, and you know nerves is

754
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: going to, you know, get in the way of your thinking.

755
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: You haven't got time to be nervous and have that

756
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: cloud your judgment. In a race, You've got a second,

757
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 2: split second to make a decision, sometimes quarter of a second.

758
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: Should you take that run? Should you wait? So I

759
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 2: knew from a young age had to conquer it because

760
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: it was going to kill my game. And I love

761
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: the tactical side of writing. It's one of my favorite things. Exactly. Yeah,

762
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 2: So clear thinking is basically one of the most important things.

763
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 2: So behind the barriers, I used to get so nervous.

764
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Just deep breaths, think like, just slow down your breathing, relax.

765
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 2: Whatever happens happens. If it's unlucky, if you don't get

766
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 2: the run you want to have, you'll be okay after

767
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: the race. Don't worry about it because worrying is not

768
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: going to make you ride the horse, while it's going

769
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: to make your stuff it up. So I years and

770
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: years of practicing that and learning to just calm your

771
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: nerves and not only that, your horse can feel it

772
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 2: if you're nervous through your legs are that's sensitive, they

773
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: can they can tell if you're a bit on edge. Wow,

774
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 2: really exactly. Yeah, it's everything, And that's what I was

775
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: trying to explain to you about racing. It's so there's

776
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: so much involved that makes it so amazing and fun.

777
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 2: So that was one of the biggest things to learn

778
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: and to deal with. The other thing is fear, because

779
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: it is dangerous. So here in the barriers. I think

780
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: I had a bit of PTSD probably through my life

781
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: from having so many bad injuries, and even though I

782
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 2: have faith, you can't help but think you know what's

783
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: going to go what could go wrong? When exactly when

784
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: things have gone wrong, So that that was one thing

785
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: that my faith come into it. I'd say a little prayer,

786
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: say to mom, oh, wow, I had an older brother

787
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: that passed away when he was three days so called Michael,

788
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: who I was named after. I was born on his birthday,

789
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: so she'll probably so I'd say a little friend of

790
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 2: Mum and to Michael, and to God, you know, keep

791
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: me safe out there. Please have to make the right

792
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: decisions at the right time, and I instantly feel calm.

793
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 2: So obviously the faith, you know, would help me through

794
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: those times. But yeah, like because there was times having falls.

795
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: One time in particular, this was I've probably been riding

796
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: I think thirteen years, and it was in the barriers,

797
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 2: had had it at this point, a fractured skull, fractured vertebrates,

798
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 2: dessicated ankle.

799
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: Not to welst you're on the horse. You'd had already

800
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: previously had that had.

801
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: These hors on from falls. So I was, you know,

802
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: had had a lot go wrong and in the barriers,

803
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 2: and this I remember it really clearly. Usually I couldn't

804
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: remember the fall because it was knocked out through concussion

805
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: and everything. But this day I remember, and the horse

806
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 2: was having its first start in the country in Victoria,

807
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 2: standing up really straight, ready to go, and I was

808
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: I remember thinking himself, what a lovely little horse, three

809
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: year old young horse given pat a thousand meter race,

810
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: So you go to jump fast, get your spot anyway,

811
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: he for some reason, and I've never seen it before

812
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: after but when he went to jump, he didn't move

813
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: his front legs. They just stayed straight and he just

814
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 2: absolutely face planted. And usually when they stumble, you can

815
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 2: pull their head up a bit and you've got a

816
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: little bit of reaction time. But because I went to

817
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: pull his head up, he just he catapuled me face

818
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: first into the ground as fast as you could even imagine,

819
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: and I woke up. So I don't even know if

820
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 2: I woke up or I'll come to it on the

821
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: track and I couldn't move my legs for about thirty seconds,

822
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: and all the barrier attendants are there and the ambulance

823
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: of there with you straight away, and I was like,

824
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: I can't move my legs. I can't move my legs,

825
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,439
Speaker 2: and they they're like you' all right, don't panic, don't panic,

826
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: or like, don't panic. I can't feel my legs and

827
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: I think it was thirty seconds. It felt like five minutes.

828
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: But the feeling came back, and I don't know whether

829
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 2: it was shocked the spine or what happened, but I

830
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 2: ended up fracturing five vertebrates and three ribs. So then

831
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: when I came back from that fall, it couldn't help

832
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: to think that, you know, pickure it up when you

833
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: come out of the barriers. You didn't want to affect

834
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 2: your horse's start because you were worried about it falling

835
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: or stumbling. But it's very hard, you know, human nature

836
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 2: protect you protect yourself, so it's hard to get over

837
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: those those sort of things. And there were times when

838
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: I went down the line of talking to a sports

839
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: psychologist to help with that, and amazingly, you know, they

840
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: had little tricks that would help me get through that,

841
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: and obviously also having faith and saying a prayer would help.

842
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: And I didn't want to be scared. I didn't want

843
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: to be giving up my passion and what I loved

844
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: because I was worried that something might happen like that.

845
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: Again, is it Is it a matter of in your case,

846
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: you are you love and you you love racing, You

847
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 3: love horse racing, you love winning. You just love the

848
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 3: sport generally, it's in your blood that you've been brought

849
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: up with it. It is so powerful, they're pretty much nothing

850
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: is going to stop me from doing. Whether it's fear,

851
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: you know, the danger, the fact that you're female, you

852
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 3: know the odds are against you even getting the getting

853
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: the ride in the first place, whether you look after

854
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: your weight you've had number of falls. Is that always

855
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: overriding everything else? The fact that I love the sport

856
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: and that's what I want to do. Yeah, so fun,

857
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: so much conviction towards it and it's fun. Is it

858
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 3: just because it's fun or is this is me I

859
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: define myself Michelle Paint. I am a jockey and I

860
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: win races.

861
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: To be honest, I always thought after writing I could

862
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 2: go on and do something else, so many things. I

863
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: don't think that's definitive, but it was something that I

864
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: found the passion in and loved, and I think how

865
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: lucky I was to live a life of excitement like that,

866
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: The feeling that you get when you cross the line,

867
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: you know, you've you've really help that horse to achieve

868
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: and win the race, and all the owners, the amount

869
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: of effort the trainers put in, the stuff at home,

870
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,760
Speaker 2: everything that's involved, and to see that, you know, the

871
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: happiness on their faces when you come back in. You

872
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: can't put a price on that. It's it's unbelievable. And

873
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: to have a job where you go to work and

874
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 2: you're excited and you can't you know, it's so fun

875
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 2: like it's you know, not a job. You know, even

876
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: though you basically starving yourself and you're exercising off no

877
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: energy because you can't eat much. And sometimes you might

878
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: be lying on the couch and think I cannot be

879
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: bothered to get off and go for a roun. But

880
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: you just got to will yourself and get out there

881
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: because if you don't make the weight or you're not

882
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: fit enough, you don't have a job. So I just

883
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: can't self so lucky to have found, you know, a

884
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: passion that I could be so excited about.

885
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: Happy.

886
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: Part of being successful is actual fitness, like I'm I

887
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: guess we're talking about aerobic fitness. Grip strength is probably

888
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 3: pretty important. Strengthen your legs to be able to stay

889
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: on the horse. How important is that in terms of

890
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: like your regime during the week.

891
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: And before the race.

892
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming you're racing on a Saturday. So I

893
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: say the big races coming up in a month, do

894
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: you like a fighter? You sort of say, Okay, I've

895
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 3: got a month to get ready for this really big race,

896
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: So I'm going to go into a proper environment. Now

897
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this every single day of the week.

898
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: You know, if you've got to like a rich wal

899
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: you go through for that month, for example, before the

900
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 3: Melbourne cuple before whatever big event you're going to go in.

901
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: I think if you want to be a jockey and

902
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: achieve at the top level, you've got to dedicate your

903
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: life to it. One thing I learned which I took

904
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: away from my falls was that you have to have

905
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 2: a balance. From a young age, I was so determined

906
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: to do well. I didn't want to take any holidays.

907
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: I was just wanting to do you know well, and

908
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: not risk having time away that I get forgotten about.

909
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: All the hard work you put in would be go

910
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 2: to waste. But having the falls, you had no choice.

911
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: You were forced to have that time and I traveled

912
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: got to see the world and realized that there was

913
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: something in that. Then really thought maybe that happened for

914
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 2: a reason, Maybe it showed me that there's more to

915
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: life than riding and racing every day. And from then

916
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: I sort of tried to take a holiday every winter

917
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: when I could, and basically nearly every winter from that

918
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: went somewhere different in the world and explored and traveled

919
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 2: and grew in myself a lot of the time on

920
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 2: my own, because I thought that would be a better

921
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: way to do it. You meet people, you're forced to,

922
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: so it's all about the balance. But then when you're

923
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: in it, you're totally in it. You don't hard. They

924
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: can go out dinner. You know. I didn't get to

925
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: see my friends from school nearly all of my teenage

926
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 2: years because I was so dedicated to the job. But

927
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: you want to do well, you have to do well,

928
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: and that's getting up early. You've got to do the

929
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: work behind the scenes to get the opportunities to get

930
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: the race rides, to get your fitness up. There's only

931
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: so much fitness you can get from track work because

932
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: it's not like under race pressure. You're not you're obviously

933
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: training the horse, you're holding them. Your positions in the

934
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: same point. But there's no nerves, the dealer adrenaline. There's

935
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: nothing like race fitness. But you can help yourself at

936
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: home by doing I found for me the best way.

937
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: I'm definitely not a very good athlete, so I to

938
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: train harder, lots of high intensity works, sprint work, short

939
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: sharp intervals, just any basic strength work that related to riding.

940
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: You didn't want to be using false muscles, So you

941
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: didn't want to be building muscles that weren't going to

942
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 2: help your riding.

943
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 1: Train specific exactly for what your sport is.

944
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: Exactly, and that's like a lot of core strength, obviously,

945
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: a lot of arm strength, chin ups, you know, really

946
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: have to use all your muscles in your body. Really,

947
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: when you're in that riding position and you're holding the horse,

948
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 2: you're using everything without your Knowjeven so with that, you've

949
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 2: got to be very agile because you want to be

950
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: a part of the horse. You don't want them to

951
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: even know you're you're on them. You don't want to

952
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: be like you go for a run and you got

953
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: some keys in your pocket, sort of unbalancing your stride

954
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 2: or whatever. You want to be with them as one,

955
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: so that you can get the best out of them.

956
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: So for me, the best way I found was to

957
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: do the track work that you had to do. Sometimes

958
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 2: we had to do too much, like for example, some

959
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: days I'd ride twenty horses in the morning and before

960
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: you go to the races. That was an extreme Before

961
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: you go to the races, Yeah, that was an extreme day,

962
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: like one of you know, the toughest usually be five

963
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: to ten or fifteen, and then you might have a

964
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 2: little workout at home, have a little sauna or a

965
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: spy to lose the weight that you need to lose.

966
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes you felt better if you had that anyway, even

967
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 2: if you didn't have to lose weight, because you your

968
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: body was more prepared. I found it helped me and

969
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,959
Speaker 2: then yeah, off to the races. But as I got

970
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: older and didn't have to ride as much track work

971
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: to get the opportunity to justly more. Post Mulbourne Cup,

972
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: I realized it was easier to have a balance of

973
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: track work, training yourself and then going to the races.

974
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 2: So one of the toughest things about being female writers

975
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: you had to really work hard behind the scenes. That's

976
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: why I was riding twenty horses the morning to get

977
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: the opportunities, But your bug advice. Time you get to

978
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: the races, you know there's only so much exercise and

979
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: work your body and your muscles can do, especially on

980
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: very limited food. So all those things you just have

981
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: to work out and learn along the way, and you

982
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: know you have to really want it because you can't

983
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 2: maintain that kind of lifestyle otherwise.

984
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: If you just talk quickly about the Melbourne Cup win

985
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: Princi Penzance, do you remember the first time you saw

986
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 3: met the principendance met the horse and did you feel

987
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: an immediate empathy towards that animal.

988
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: I'm not even joking. The first time I saw him

989
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: was it a real little country t called Collac. We

990
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: were doing trials. I was coming back from another injury

991
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 2: and I said to his trainer, Darren was such, that's

992
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: a nice horse. So he was just on the other

993
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: side of the mountain yard and he said, yeah, he's

994
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 2: really nice. Threat.

995
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: It's a nice horse. Mean, from your point of view.

996
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: An athlete, you look at it, you can see it

997
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: in three seconds. Do that horse move as well? Like

998
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 2: everything works together. Got a nice big deep girth, which

999
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: means I've got big lungs, big heart, can fit in there.

1000
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,439
Speaker 2: Everything's just efficient and you could just tell the way

1001
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: he walked, and he was bold. He was really bold

1002
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: and wanted to get on means, wanted to get on

1003
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: with the job. Like he was bought by a guy

1004
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: called John Foot, who bought him because he said he

1005
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: walked through He'd run through a brick wall. He was

1006
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 2: that bold kind of horse. He said, yeah, No, he's

1007
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: a really nice horse. You can see how it goes.

1008
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: So I was trialing him this day. He hadn't had

1009
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: a race at this point, and we were later in

1010
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 2: the day and a bit unusual, but the track got

1011
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 2: a bit slippery as the day went on, and we

1012
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: were out wider so usually on the course as a canber,

1013
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: but because we were out so wide, the campra was

1014
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: running down the other way. As we were around in

1015
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 2: the corner with the greasy ground, he slipped and lost

1016
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: his balance and I swear I felt my knee and

1017
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: he touched the ground because he went down that far.

1018
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 2: But he picked himself back up and he was just

1019
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 2: so athletic and I hadn't come off him, and got

1020
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 2: himself back into stride in a few strides, picked up

1021
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: sprinted and galltz the line finished second and I was like,

1022
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: oh my god, what is this horse, because they just

1023
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: don't do that, and he said, yeah, he's a nice horse.

1024
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 2: So he kept try to keep with him because I

1025
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 2: thought he was pretty special. You know, you don't come

1026
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: across that very often in your career, and I've said

1027
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: many times like through my riding career, road seven and

1028
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: a half thousand races and probably over thirty thousand horses

1029
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: even more in track work and probably five in the

1030
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 2: lifetime gave you that X factor feel. And he did

1031
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 2: that right from the start his very first trial, that

1032
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 2: a road. So he was just a luckable horse, an

1033
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: unbelievable athlete, had a will to win, to want to

1034
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 2: do it, sometimes too much, he wanted to overdo it.

1035
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 2: So I think we were a good balance being a

1036
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: sort of soft touch with him and kind and you're

1037
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: always talking to him and patting him and stuff like that.

1038
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was just an unbelievable journey. And to

1039
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 2: think I come across a horse like that and later

1040
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: in my career.

1041
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: So when you win something as famous in Australia as

1042
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 3: the Melbourne Cup and probably believing globally in the horse

1043
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: racing world, what's the deal, like when you is the race,

1044
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: when it's over and you know you can see you won.

1045
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: Is it a bit of an anti climax because most

1046
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: of the thrillers during the race, or do you have

1047
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 3: or is it as big a thrill when they sort

1048
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: of announced it you're the winner and you know you won.

1049
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: But where's the thrill lie in the race itself and

1050
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: winning it actually taking him through to win. Or is

1051
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: it when it's all over and it's relief. Where's the

1052
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: biggest thrill?

1053
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 2: Honestly, I see right now today and can tell it

1054
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: gives me like butterflies in my stomach to think that

1055
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: I still have been lucky enough to win a great race.

1056
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 2: It was a dream of mine from a five year old,

1057
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 2: so to think twenty five years later I was able

1058
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: to cross that line in front on him, it blows

1059
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: me away. So honestly, I can't say the feelings died down.

1060
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: It was an absolute well wind from the moment I

1061
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 2: got off, And it's amazing to think that one race

1062
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: can change your life like it has. Obviously film being made,

1063
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: second book that I've written, been part of writing with

1064
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 2: the writer, and yeah, just incredible. Like honestly, I can't

1065
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 2: believe it.

1066
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: Did it change a world much?

1067
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,959
Speaker 3: I mean apart from all the opportunities obviously obviously get

1068
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 3: apart from the factor you you now stand for something

1069
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 3: in relation to horse racing, with women involved in racing,

1070
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 3: particularly as jockeys.

1071
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: But how did it defect your life? Was it? Apart

1072
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: from the obvious positives?

1073
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: And many negatives come with that sort of stuff, like

1074
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 3: being in the limelight, how do you feel about that.

1075
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 2: I've sort of been prepared for the limelight through my career,

1076
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 2: just with earlier successes, so I was pretty okay with that.

1077
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 2: As in media, Yeah, with media, sort of being stopped

1078
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 2: on the street become something I struggled with because I'm

1079
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 2: a pretty private person. You know, as a jockey, you're

1080
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: self employed, you really focused, busy at your job, keeps

1081
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 2: yourself pretty quiet because usually you're hungry, so you don't

1082
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: have much conversation. It's taken away your personality. So I

1083
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: found it really tough, challenging. But the way it looks

1084
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: at it is you've got to take the good with

1085
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: it bad. People were lovely everywhere when you know, congratulations

1086
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: are so exciting, so inspired by When I couldn't believe

1087
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 2: it you know, the amount of good feeling that I

1088
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 2: got from it and people's reactions. So yeah, it was tough,

1089
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: but like you said, like I said, sorry, people were

1090
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 2: amazing and just blew me away. But I got tired also,

1091
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: so I just had to go home and rest a

1092
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,839
Speaker 2: lot of the time because it was just a bit

1093
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: overwhelming to take on.

1094
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 3: You sort of like have to perform a little bit

1095
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: when you do something really good and everybody sort of

1096
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 3: wants to acknowledge it and hold up in a bit

1097
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: of a pedestal.

1098
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: That was one thing. Sorry. The people used to be

1099
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: so excited when they met me, and I feel like

1100
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: I let them down because I was like, thanks very much,

1101
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 2: but I couldn't be impressive right then and there. So

1102
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: I found it quite tough at the time that I

1103
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: was letting them down. They're like, oh my god, but

1104
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 2: what you did was so excited and again I'd say

1105
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: thank you very much, and they'd say it again sometimes

1106
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I can't say anything more than thanks

1107
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: very much. Like I felt the pressure to live up

1108
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 2: to their excitement that that was really draining and tough.

1109
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 3: Is that because you're sort of a basically a very

1110
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 3: generous person I'm not sure do you feel do you

1111
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 3: think generosity is an important thing?

1112
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 2: Obviously my life's been made great from the generosity of

1113
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 2: my older brothers and sisters and people through my life.

1114
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, like when and then you can

1115
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 3: only show gratitude once or twice, because otherwise, if someone's

1116
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: saying to you, how well done you've done, and you

1117
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 3: feel like you want to show them gratitude. But after

1118
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 3: your show once, if you're probably trying to show it

1119
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 3: a second time, you started to feel like you're faking it.

1120
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: Well you I don't know what else they wanted me

1121
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: to do.

1122
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: You can't say too many times? If can we just

1123
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 1: talk about your book?

1124
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: Obviously there's the Netflix show which I've watched and it's

1125
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: a great show to watch, worth watching. But the book

1126
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 3: right on, what made you feel as though that you

1127
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: should publish a new book?

1128
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 2: I think, like you said, I have a very positive,

1129
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: optimistic attitude and if how I got through some of

1130
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: my falls and tragedies could help other people, even if

1131
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,439
Speaker 2: it's just one person, it was well worth the effort

1132
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 2: of writing the book for that's the main reason. So,

1133
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, lots of people face challenges. Life's tough, and

1134
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: I've had many of them and talking about that, Yeah,

1135
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: like I said, if the way I coped and overcome

1136
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 2: things in a positive way could help others, And that's

1137
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: the main reason.

1138
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: Do you feel as though, you know sometimes when when

1139
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 3: I grow up a Catholic too, My min's a rash

1140
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: Catholic And there is this sort of concept in the

1141
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: Catholic family, I don't in the churches, in the family,

1142
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 3: within your own family, that you should pay forward the

1143
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: luck that you've received or the great things that you've

1144
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: had the opportunity to experience, and you pay forward, And

1145
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: that's sort of like a bit of a gratitude thing.

1146
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 3: One way showing your gratitude is share it, share others

1147
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 3: what you've learned. And it's sort of like a nearly

1148
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 3: like an ethic, a moral obligation from growing up in

1149
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 3: a Catholic family. Do you feel that too, like a

1150
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,240
Speaker 3: little bit of an obligation to share with people something

1151
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 3: that might help them improve their lives if they're not

1152
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 3: as lucky as you.

1153
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, why wouldn't you if you can share

1154
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: something that will help others make their life easier.

1155
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: Some people don't say that though, surely that a lot

1156
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 3: of people don't think that way. Do you think it's

1157
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: got some the way you were brought up and what

1158
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: you experience and maybe perhaps part of your faith.

1159
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 2: Definitely, Also like the luck I had in my life,

1160
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 2: and even though you know, I was unlucky to have falls,

1161
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: I was so lucky to recover from them and get

1162
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: back to doing what I loved. So, you know, probably

1163
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: it is a bit of gratitude for that luck and

1164
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,439
Speaker 2: luck I had. On the day of the Melbourne Cup,

1165
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: in a way, I felt an obligation for being so

1166
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 2: lucky to then you do good with it. If I

1167
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: can inspire somebody to to look at their job in

1168
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 2: a different way, to strive to be the best, even

1169
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: if they feel like you know, they for some reason

1170
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: shouldn't or they can't. You know, why wouldn't you if

1171
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 2: you if you can believe in yourself. Yeah, just so

1172
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 2: many different reasons. And like I said, with my older

1173
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 2: brothers and sisters who helped me and taught me, I

1174
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 2: don't have any little brothers and sisters to help, but

1175
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: anybody else, any young apprentices coming through, you know, absolute

1176
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 2: privilege and pleasure to do that.

1177
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: Is this Michelle being Thereasa like you know, like paying

1178
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 3: forward the way your older sister showed you and helped

1179
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 3: you out to get to where you've got to and

1180
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: as an inspiration I'm talking about motivation. Yeah, definitely, because

1181
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: you don't have any younger brothers and sisters, So maybe

1182
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 3: it's an opportunity just sort of because we all repeat

1183
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 3: those good things and unfortunately repeat those bad things that

1184
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: happened in our lives.

1185
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 1: Unfortunately we just do. Unfortunately we just do.

1186
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: And I'm trust I'm just trying to because you know,

1187
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get to the bottom of why you

1188
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 3: would do this book. Some people do these things out

1189
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: of guilt. Some people do these things to make money.

1190
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 3: Some people do these things to stay relevant. You know

1191
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 3: that they might have done something in their past, We've

1192
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 3: made them very famous, and they try to do something

1193
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 3: that's relevant. My gut feelings, that's not not your case.

1194
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 3: But also, you know what I did sort of land

1195
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 3: on was maybe that's that that upbringing obligation.

1196
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: We have to.

1197
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 3: Share with others what has helped us. And certainly, I

1198
00:59:38,040 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 3: mean I've experienced the same thing. So I'm trying to

1199
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: work and work out if that's that's your that's your

1200
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: mantra right now, right now, to.

1201
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: Help others.

1202
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 2: I think definitely, I think why are we here if

1203
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 2: we're not here to help others and to do good

1204
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: in life? So if I can use my platform in

1205
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: any way to do good and to help others, you know,

1206
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: why wouldn't I?

1207
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 3: And are there any particular parts of the book? I

1208
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: mean we, I mean I read the sort of praising

1209
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 3: of it. You know, we're talking about overcoming and for one,

1210
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 3: facing tragedy, diversity, and also and triumph triumph something you've got.

1211
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: To face into too.

1212
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 3: Well, it's not always perfect, but probably I would have

1213
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 3: added to that overcoming tragedy, diversity, and overcoming triumph too,

1214
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: because there's something you need to overcome. It doesn't define

1215
01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 3: you because it's only there for a second.

1216
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: It happens on.

1217
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 3: A particular time, on a particular day, on a particular race.

1218
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 3: That's your big triumph, your biggest triumph, but it's also fleeting.

1219
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 3: It doesn't last the next day, race over the next year,

1220
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 3: someone else is going to win it. So overcoming those

1221
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 3: things is really important. And in writing this and putting

1222
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 3: this book together, is there a sort of a particular

1223
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 3: part of a chapter, perhaps a bit a particular part

1224
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 3: of the book that.

1225
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: Means more to you than any other part of the book.

1226
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: To be honest, I was really proud of it in

1227
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 2: the end. In the lead up it was something that

1228
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't really looking forward to, to be honest. I

1229
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: love living on my farm in peace.

1230
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,919
Speaker 1: That's Notingham Farm, Nottingham Farm, yep.

1231
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: But like I said, if it could do good, it

1232
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: was worth the effort to put in and to go

1233
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 2: back and to remember something's very traumatic to go back

1234
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: over my falls. Obviously my sister passed away recently. That's

1235
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 2: in there. And but one of the one of the chapters,

1236
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 2: which is the first one which I really love, is

1237
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: talking through the Melbourne Cup every thought the strategy, because

1238
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: as I spoke about earlier, I love the tactical side

1239
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: of racing, so many intricate details that can win and

1240
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: lose a race, especially race like the Melbourne Cup. So

1241
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 2: for me personally reading books sports people's books, was you

1242
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: know their feeling you you know, read an AFL player's

1243
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: book running out onto the field of a Grand final.

1244
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 2: You know the feeling of the grass under their feet,

1245
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: you know, the crowds growing, just getting the inside insights

1246
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 2: into their mind. So I wanted to give that to

1247
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: the readers, and I really pushed to have it as

1248
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: the first.

1249
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: Chapter because everything you experienced.

1250
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything that's going through your mind, the feeling from

1251
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 2: what I spoke to you about, you know, your muscles

1252
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: being relaxed on Prince ap Penzance because he was a

1253
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: fiery horse anyway. Didn't need to be feeling me nervous

1254
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: on you know, the biggest day of our lives. So

1255
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 2: all of those things like from the mounting yard to

1256
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: the barriers to through the race tactically, you know, what

1257
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 2: can happen, what can unfold, like unbring your race, and

1258
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: those split second decisions that you've got to make. I

1259
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 2: really did my best to give the reader an in

1260
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,440
Speaker 2: depth insight into that. So I'm really proud and I

1261
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 2: hope that readers will love that and take a lot

1262
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: away from it, especially young writers that are learning to

1263
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 2: deal with nerves and learning to you know, think about

1264
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 2: how a race is going to unfold. Sometimes really helped

1265
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 2: me to just visualize it. Lie down before you know,

1266
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 2: go to sleep, shut your eyes, visualize it in your brain,

1267
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 2: jumping from the barriers where you want to where you

1268
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: want to land, how you want the race to unfold,

1269
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 2: and that for me was a really good way of

1270
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 2: planning and preparing. So visualization exactly so that can help

1271
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: you know, another writer or even a sports person you

1272
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: know might have a swimmer that will be visualizing their

1273
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: stroke in a swimming race or a runa anything. So yeah,

1274
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: I was I was really keen to put that in

1275
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 2: the book, and I think we did a good job

1276
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: of it so bestly could come up with, so hopefully

1277
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 2: the other readers will really take something away from that.

1278
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 3: And I've only got a sort of a pre copy

1279
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 3: of it, and what we did was we running through

1280
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 3: ai by the way, just because I.

1281
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: Didn't get a time to read in it.

1282
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: But I have got the summaries of every chapter and

1283
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 3: just on that particular chapter that's rising to the occasion

1284
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 3: you really you relive the twenty fifteen Melbourne Cup win.

1285
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: I'm Prince Depanzence And one of the thoughts that I

1286
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 3: had when I was reading the summaries was I wonder

1287
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 3: whether Michelle her senses are so alert, so alert at

1288
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 3: the time. And I'm talking about all senses, probably even

1289
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 3: including the sixth sense, but all sense does all of

1290
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 3: a sudden your sense of smell become really strong, and

1291
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: you can smell the horse, you can smell the grass,

1292
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 3: you can smell the environment, you can feel things with

1293
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 3: your fingers. Is that an experience? Is that something that

1294
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 3: would happen to you when you're perhaps when you're walking

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Speaker 3: to from getting your horse and walking out before you

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01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 3: mount the horse. I mean, do your senses become extremely alert?

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Speaker 2: I think you've become so focused in the zone. All

1298
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 2: that goes you can just focus on what you need

1299
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 2: to focus on senses through your hands, through your feet,

1300
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 2: and on the horse.

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Speaker 1: But that's amazing.

1302
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 3: You are actually able to then put aside all that

1303
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 3: and actually sort of concentrate those senses that you need,

1304
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 3: that you know you need. So let's say we got six,

1305
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 3: you might be able to concentrate those senses into two

1306
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 3: or three that are just needed for that moment for

1307
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 3: the next few.

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Speaker 2: Minutes, exactly like the crowd. You can't even hear the crowd.

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01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 1: The crowd, well I could, Well, that's that's amazing.

1310
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, A lot of writers will say they hear the

1311
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 2: aurora of the crowd and jumping barriers, But to me,

1312
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 2: the race is quiet. I could take through every single

1313
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: step of that race but I think there's so much

1314
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: happening in such a short period of time that you

1315
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: have to be able to just zone in on what

1316
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: you need to.

1317
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,200
Speaker 1: And not waste time on other things.

1318
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, you don't have time. You might think of a

1319
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: hundred things and you're like, sometimes I've even thought to

1320
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 2: myself in a race, how do you even think of

1321
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: so many things at one at one time in such

1322
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: a crazy environment of a race. But I think to

1323
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: do well, you have to be able to do that

1324
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: and to zone.

1325
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: In on it.

1326
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: Did at any stage in the race during that race,

1327
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 3: did you get a surprise of anything you did or

1328
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 3: anything that.

1329
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: The horse did well?

1330
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 2: Firstly, he walked down the barriers. We missed a start

1331
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: by three lengths and I was, oh God, can we

1332
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 2: stop and do that again? But yeah, that's it. It's

1333
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 2: gone game on. One thing that really surprised me and

1334
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 2: I didn't prepare for, but I was prepared to be

1335
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:33,480
Speaker 2: prepared for anything, and that was at around the fourteen

1336
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,120
Speaker 2: hundred twelve hundred meter mark. Our plan was to stay

1337
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: on the back of the horse I was following, which

1338
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: was Max s Darnamite who finished second in the end,

1339
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: but a run presented three off the fence behind the

1340
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: second favorite trip to Paris, and at that point I

1341
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 2: wasn't prepared to be making a move so far from home.

1342
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 2: We still had the big sweeping band of Flemington. But

1343
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: after watching so many replays of the Malbourne Cup, you

1344
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: had to be starting to get into the race. The

1345
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 2: speed had been really slow. He was traveling strong. In

1346
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: my mind, that is the that's the past we were so.

1347
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: You knew that the pace wasn't quick.

1348
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: Pace was very slow.

1349
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you know that? Watch?

1350
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 2: No, you just learned to judge. So when we got

1351
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 2: to the winning post the first time, after say a

1352
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 2: thousand meters, it was steady already you could feel that.

1353
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 2: Then they stayed it up again and I just remember

1354
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: thinking down the backstreet cheezs were going slow.

1355
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: That's good because you know he's got more in his tank.

1356
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 2: True, but so does everybody else. Yeah, so you need

1357
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 2: to be getting into a position because the horses up

1358
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 2: front will sprint because they've had it easy. So we're

1359
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 2: back in the field. You need to be creeping. So

1360
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: I saw that opportunity, which surprised me because I wasn't

1361
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: prepared to do that. But in the in the pre

1362
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:51,360
Speaker 2: race preparation. I knew every horse, every runner, and like

1363
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 2: I said, you only have a split second to make

1364
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 2: these decisions. And I spotted it behind that run behind

1365
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 2: trip to Paris and thought, I'm going to have to

1366
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: do that. And I had sort of pretty strict instructions

1367
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 2: to stay on the back of max Elamite, and I

1368
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 2: thought that was a good plan. I thought, I'm not

1369
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: going to go with going to change plan here and

1370
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 2: go to plan B, and that would just work it out.

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01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 3: Is that the thought process that you're going you're actually

1372
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 3: going through that analysis. Whilst you're there holding the horse,

1373
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,799
Speaker 3: everyone else is sort of are they yelling and screaming

1374
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 3: all the other jockeys? Can you hear people talking to

1375
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,479
Speaker 3: you and say get out of the way.

1376
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: Or yeah, yeah, you're at that point. Look down the

1377
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 2: back straight. Usually everyone's in there. Spot's quite silent. No

1378
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 2: one's screaming unless you're trying to bump out or whatever.

1379
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: Everyone's trying to get the horse to relax, to breathe,

1380
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, conserving all energy, so it's very quiet. You'd

1381
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 2: be surprised to hear the thunder of the hoofs And yeah,

1382
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 2: at that point, I thought well, I'm going to take

1383
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: you know, make this decision and you have to go

1384
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 2: with it. You can't you can't tacond guess yourself. Everything

1385
01:08:56,320 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 2: has to be done positively. And as we were rounding

1386
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 2: the corner and coming past the seven hundred, I was

1387
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 2: absolutely bolting and I thought the sash, she's we're a

1388
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: chance here, and don't get it too excited. Part of

1389
01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 2: my preparation was, you know, if you're in that position,

1390
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: don't get carried away by the occasion and push the

1391
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 2: button too early. You know, take off. A home race

1392
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 2: can be won or lost in a second, and you

1393
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 2: start making contact with other runners, bumping into them, you're

1394
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 2: taking away your energy of a horse. So it was basically

1395
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:30,679
Speaker 2: about composure and.

1396
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good word, composure.

1397
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 2: Waiting until the time was right, and yeah, it was

1398
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: just all I think the preparation in the pre race

1399
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:42,280
Speaker 2: that really helped on the day.

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Speaker 3: I'm getting goosebumps thinking about the whole process. I mean,

1401
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 3: like some people have an opportunity run their business, you know,

1402
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 3: over a year, and they can make all those decisions

1403
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 3: over a year. Your business is one race, and you've

1404
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 3: got to make all those decisions and how many minutes.

1405
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: We're talking about now from beginning to end three minutes.

1406
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 3: So you're making all these tactical decisions, responding to opportunities,

1407
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 3: responding to threats, responding to risks, responding to the animal,

1408
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: your infantry, which is the animal you're writing. Then also

1409
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 3: your competition that's outside of you, it's your brain must

1410
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: be going at a million miles an hour. And the

1411
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,599
Speaker 3: word you use, composure is really important word. And to

1412
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 3: be frank with you, you.

1413
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: Know, part of the.

1414
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: Importance of a book like this is teaching or sharing

1415
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: people how to maintain their composure under pressure. This is

1416
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 3: the most extreme version of pressure like you can possibly get.

1417
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: I mean, forget. We talked earlier about all the challenges

1418
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: you got got over and above.

1419
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 3: Which is great, But this is an example in a

1420
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 3: businessman should be reading this thing. This is an example

1421
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 3: of a person exercising composure and judgment under extreme circumstance.

1422
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 3: This is really extreme circumstances and it's a bit of

1423
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 3: like sort of it's nearly like climbing a mountain without

1424
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 3: any harnesses or something like that. And it was sort

1425
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 3: of to me in my mind, I'm aligning it to that,

1426
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 3: which is something I would never attempt and I've never

1427
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 3: really thought about a jockey's job in the way you've

1428
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,160
Speaker 3: just described it in terms of that your mindset, your

1429
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 3: mindset at the beginning of the race, making sure that

1430
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 3: you don't you know, not everything's beating it once and

1431
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 3: you just considering those things that you need to have

1432
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 3: for the race, the build up to the race, of

1433
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 3: training programs once you're in the race, of tactics and

1434
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 3: not getting ahead of yourself, remembering what the I'm going

1435
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 3: to say, the coach, but the trainers told you to do,

1436
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 3: and probably the owners and based on But then you've

1437
01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 3: got any expos you intuition because if you don't take

1438
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:50,280
Speaker 3: that jump when you and you say, well, no, you

1439
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 3: told me, yeah, well.

1440
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 2: Did you tell you the truth? There were so many

1441
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 2: times previously in races where Darren had told me to

1442
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 2: do stuff and he said, what did you do that

1443
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 2: for us? You told me to do that because we

1444
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 2: don't listen to me you're out there.

1445
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: That's my point.

1446
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I learned. And that's the funny thing about so

1447
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 2: many years and the Malvin Cup come at the right

1448
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 2: time because at the time I thought, I'm not listening

1449
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:14,439
Speaker 2: to you. This time, Darren, following my judgment, and you

1450
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: know you're out there doing the job. You've got to

1451
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 2: go to back yourself. If you've done the work and

1452
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: you've done the preparation, that's up to you and you've

1453
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 2: got to have confidence in yourself to do that.

1454
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 3: Good only that you sharing all those things for people

1455
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 3: who pick up the book, and by the ways, an audiobook,

1456
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: because you've just had a text one.

1457
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: It is going to be in an audio audible. We've

1458
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 2: got Rachel Griffiths has put a hand up to read it.

1459
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: Which is why do it? I did one. I said

1460
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: it is the greatest pain in the neck of all

1461
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: times I had to do. I did a period about it.

1462
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 3: Takes a long time. It's really difficult to do because

1463
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 3: you're in a little booth. She's going to do it

1464
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 3: for it, she is. That's fantastic.

1465
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: I unbelieve. I'm so grateful to her.

1466
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great because because a lot of people like

1467
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 3: to listen to these things these days as opposed to

1468
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 3: sort of sit down and read stuff and can I

1469
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 3: just go back to Nottingham Farm.

1470
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,599
Speaker 1: So how's life as a trainer?

1471
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 2: Amazing? It's really hard when you finish the job, that

1472
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 2: you're passionate about, like racing obviously explained it to you

1473
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: how fun it is and exciting and exhilarating. So it's

1474
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: tough when you stop, you know, life becomes a bit

1475
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: boring in a way because you've taken away that spark.

1476
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 2: But still being able to work with these incredible animals

1477
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 2: that we work with, like beasts that they are. That

1478
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 2: you get their trust and you see their kind eyes

1479
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,600
Speaker 2: when you walk out to see them in the paddic and.

1480
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: You see kindness in their eyes unbelievable.

1481
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just soften, you know when you come up

1482
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: to give them a pat and just to have that

1483
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:43,519
Speaker 2: every day in your life is just an absolute blessing.

1484
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: So training is the next best thing, I guess from

1485
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: riding in a race. You still get that same excitement

1486
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: when you see your horse go out basically for battle

1487
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,360
Speaker 2: for you, and all that work that you've done behind

1488
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 2: the scenes in preparing them for that, strengthening them physically, mentally,

1489
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 2: having them prepared to really want to hit the line

1490
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: for you as best they can. So much is involved

1491
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 2: with that. It's not just a matter of getting a

1492
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: horse fit and sending them to the races. You've got

1493
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 2: to have them mentally coping and you never hurt them

1494
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 2: along the way because I remember if they race when

1495
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 2: they're not fit enough, and you know that they were

1496
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 2: sort of asked to extend when they didn't have enough

1497
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 2: enough fitness under their belt.

1498
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 1: So are they sensitive?

1499
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: So sensitive?

1500
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:26,880
Speaker 1: I mean not, I guess emotionally as a word, but

1501
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 1: they are. Are they?

1502
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Yeah? If you run a horse unfit, you know,

1503
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 2: it's the best way to teach them not to try,

1504
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: because I'll be like stuff this, you know that hurt

1505
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:40,719
Speaker 2: less practical Yeah, exactly, so like riding, and it's still

1506
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 2: racing so much involved in so many intricate details that

1507
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 2: make you successful. So it just makes it fun and

1508
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 2: challenging and really rewarding when it all comes together.

1509
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 3: And if you as a trainer, do you have a

1510
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 3: soft spot then for a young short pain who might

1511
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,800
Speaker 3: be said about there somewhere looking for a ride and

1512
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 3: doesn't get it. I mean, how do you play that part?

1513
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean, do you probably a.

1514
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 2: Bit tough on young riders coming through to you know,

1515
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 2: go to work hard. It's not just you see all

1516
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: the fun and the glitz and glory that I want

1517
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 2: to do that. Of course, if somebody really wants to

1518
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: do it and do well, I'll give them every bit

1519
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 2: of advice and sit them down and talk them through

1520
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 2: everything that I've learned that could help them. But I

1521
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 2: also don't want to waste my time if somebody is

1522
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,760
Speaker 2: just all bit airy fairy and thinks it's just, you know,

1523
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 2: a fun thing.

1524
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: And well that you owe them one because you know,

1525
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 3: because some people would think that, they would say, well,

1526
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 3: she had their glory run and she won the milk up,

1527
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 3: and Michelle's a female and she should be looking after

1528
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 3: me because I'm a female.

1529
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: It's not about that.

1530
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,759
Speaker 2: Well, look, like I said, I'm happy to help anybody,

1531
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: but busy unless you know busy. But if it's somebody

1532
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:57,400
Speaker 2: really wants to try hard to do well, give them

1533
01:15:57,400 --> 01:15:59,600
Speaker 2: all the time in the world, because to pass on

1534
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: the knowledge that I've learned over the years, and passing

1535
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: what I was taught is just one of the greatest

1536
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,759
Speaker 2: gifts you can you can have and give people.

1537
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: Does your dad come out to Nodding Nottingham Farm?

1538
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 2: Yep. Dad lives down the road so you're not far

1539
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 2: from each other. No, No, that's very great.

1540
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:17,439
Speaker 1: So Stevie still comes up.

1541
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,400
Speaker 2: Yep. Stevie comes up, rides bike up there and he's

1542
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 2: got a little cabin on the farm and we own

1543
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 2: the farm together. So cool. It's it's honestly beautiful to

1544
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 2: have had the high of winning the Melbourne Cup and

1545
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 2: the fun and excitement that I get to do, but

1546
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 2: then go back to the peacefulness of the farm, with

1547
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: the serenity and the quietness. We have no street lights.

1548
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: It's it's that's the best.

1549
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 2: So quiet. It's honestly living my best life.

1550
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 3: Well, I guess from from the summaries that I've got

1551
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 3: too though, it's not just about winning the race on

1552
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 3: the particular day and how wonderful that was, et cetera.

1553
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 3: Because life's not just all shiny. Does the book lean

1554
01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 3: into some of the more raw things that have happened

1555
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 3: to you in your in your career, and androbably even

1556
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:01,520
Speaker 3: brought more broadly.

1557
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:01,879
Speaker 1: Just your life.

1558
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely does. We didn't want to just focus on

1559
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 2: all the positive things, because life's tough and people go

1560
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 2: through tough times, and that's why we I really wrote

1561
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: the book not just for the insights in the Melbourne Cup.

1562
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: That's just the first part of it. The rest of

1563
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 2: the book is a lot around the struggles and the

1564
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,600
Speaker 2: challenges that I faced. One was the next year I

1565
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 2: had a really bad fall. At the time, I was

1566
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,679
Speaker 2: struggling to deal with the Malbourne Cup in the way

1567
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 2: that it was just exhausting me. And it was such

1568
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 2: a life changing race that I didn't know how I

1569
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,520
Speaker 2: was going to keep up with everything, all the opportunities,

1570
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 2: and you know, not make the most of them, because

1571
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 2: I thought, why wouldn't you, But you know, it was hard.

1572
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 2: So at the time I was wondering how I was

1573
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 2: going to keep going. And I was heading towards a

1574
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: huge troop in Europe where I was going to write

1575
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 2: in Sweden and England and many opportunities are so excited

1576
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 2: about but exhausted thinking about. And I'd written Prince of

1577
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 2: Penzance in Adelaide and had flown to Mildreurer on the

1578
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 2: Sunday to ride and unfortunately had an awful, horrible fall

1579
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: where I fell underneath my own horse and it stood

1580
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: on my stomach. Well, and this is a yeah, flat

1581
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 2: gallop and at the time when I felt like when

1582
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: I come to it and woke up on the track,

1583
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: I remember being called curled up in a ball and said,

1584
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 2: something's really bad and bleeding inside, and we talk about

1585
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: that and when you.

1586
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 1: Say you're bleeding inside, what does that mean.

1587
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 2: I didn't know. I just could feel something bad had happened.

1588
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 2: And as it turned out, I was flown to the

1589
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: Alfred Hospital later that night and operated on it twoesday.

1590
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,640
Speaker 2: The next morning, I'd severed three quarters of my pangreas

1591
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 2: off and there was hanging by a thread and they

1592
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 2: had to remove it and sewed it to my stomach.

1593
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: So having that fall in a way saved me because

1594
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 2: I totally got peace for my recovery after nearly killing me.

1595
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 2: At the same time, the recovery of that was tough,

1596
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 2: unbelievably tough. I prayed to God every day to get

1597
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 2: through the pain. Each night. I didn't know how I

1598
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: was going to survive it, and you know, people go

1599
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,400
Speaker 2: through many things that are hard, and I wanted to

1600
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 2: talk about that and how I dealt with it, and

1601
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 2: some of that was just taking my little trolley of

1602
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 2: you know, s bag of saline and tubes that were

1603
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,519
Speaker 2: coming out of me and going for a walk around

1604
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: the ward. I just walk laps and laps to pass

1605
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: the time. When I was able to, you know, get

1606
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 2: up and out of bed and you know, just little

1607
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,320
Speaker 2: tricks that might help others to get through really tough

1608
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 2: times that they get through. So talk about that in

1609
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 2: sort of pretty good detail. Talk about stalkers that I

1610
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 2: faced after.

1611
01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:51,800
Speaker 3: The race, as in people message you, you and Neil

1612
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:52,920
Speaker 3: following you around the joint.

1613
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, unbelievable. Like I never imagined how bad it could be.

1614
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,920
Speaker 2: People jumping my gate at the farm coming in. One

1615
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 2: guy just wandering around. I could see him on the

1616
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: cameras in the middle of a Sunday. Another guy jumped

1617
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,720
Speaker 2: the gate on a Sunday morning through COVID. We're in

1618
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 2: strict lockdown. Come to come around the back. It was

1619
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 2: just me and Stevie there, and you know, it was

1620
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 2: started chatting. I was like, sorry, mate, you're not supposed

1621
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:27,400
Speaker 2: to be here and it's private property. And he started

1622
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: to sort of abuse me for being rude to him

1623
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 2: even though he was on my property, and later resulted

1624
01:20:33,439 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 2: in him messaging me and abusing me and passed out

1625
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 2: down on my on my dad's front lawn and had

1626
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 2: to be pulled in by the police. Yeah, drunk. So

1627
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 2: another guy went to jail. Another guy got arrested for harassment.

1628
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,839
Speaker 2: So it was many times that I just couldn't even believe,

1629
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: so obviously talk about that and and overcoming that, especially

1630
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: you know, living living out on a farm. And one

1631
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: of the toughest chapters I think to write was a

1632
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 2: chapter on my sister who passed away this year through suicide,

1633
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 2: and the mental challenges and mental health challenges she faced,

1634
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 2: and how we tried to get through it as a family,

1635
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 2: and what maybe we could have done differently. Which sister

1636
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 2: was that my older sister Bernadette, who used to look

1637
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: after me when I was a baby, used to feed me.

1638
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 2: She was eleven years old when my mom passed away

1639
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 2: and took on the role of getting up in the

1640
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 2: middle of the night and looking after me and giving

1641
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 2: me a bottle. You know, whether maybe she should have

1642
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:38,560
Speaker 2: had counseling back then, and we didn't know about it,

1643
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 2: just different things we thought we could have done through

1644
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 2: life that maybe could have steered her path in a

1645
01:21:44,280 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 2: different direction.

1646
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 3: We carried that drawing a whole life exactly because at eleven,

1647
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 3: you know what's going on.

1648
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 2: So whilst it was really traumatic to write, it was

1649
01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 2: beautiful to talk about her because she was a beautiful

1650
01:21:56,160 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 2: person before mental health took over. So that that's the

1651
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,400
Speaker 2: chapter I really wanted to write. And I spoke to

1652
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 2: the family, you know, do you think I should You know,

1653
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: is it okay? Is it respectful to her? Is it

1654
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 2: good because it will help other people? And they all

1655
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 2: agreed that if our what we face could could help others,

1656
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: then they were happy for me to write about it.

1657
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 2: And another one is talking about the mental health I've faced.

1658
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 2: Probably mental health is not the word I should use,

1659
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: but the concussions that I've had, and the worry about

1660
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 2: CTA CTE and what the unknownness of it and things

1661
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: I was feeling through that tough time of losing her

1662
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:38,519
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out what was the best path

1663
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:41,360
Speaker 2: to take. And one thing that I learned was knowledge,

1664
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: and you know, going and getting an MRI, seeing what

1665
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: they could find on there, investigating it further, doing further

1666
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 2: neurosyte tests. And I think your knowledge is power and

1667
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 2: it's helped me a lot to know when I need

1668
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,719
Speaker 2: to rest and take it easy instead of pushing yourself

1669
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 2: through brands. Obviously a fragile thing and it has to

1670
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 2: be exercised, but it also has to be rested at

1671
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: the same time. So I try to talk as openly

1672
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 2: as account about that because you know, you know things

1673
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: that can happen with people with this CTE and.

1674
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:17,080
Speaker 1: We're just concussions and dementia.

1675
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,600
Speaker 2: Exactly and the scariness of it, and I knew what

1676
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: I was feeling, so I was very keen to write

1677
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:23,320
Speaker 2: about that.

1678
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 3: So just on just on that one is it's great

1679
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 3: that you talk about it because it's rare women talk

1680
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 3: about it because it's usually footballers, guy footballers and stuff

1681
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,240
Speaker 3: like that, but there are plenty of female soccer players

1682
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 3: and netball players get it too.

1683
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: Soccer girls get.

1684
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 3: It from soccer, from hitting the ball, AFL girls get it,

1685
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,040
Speaker 3: Rugby league girls get it, et cetera. Boxes get it,

1686
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: female boxes get it. It's good to hear someone like

1687
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 3: you talk about it because it's more of a worry

1688
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 3: than most people give it credit for. And I think

1689
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 3: what you're saying is that you said knowledge is power.

1690
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: It's I think.

1691
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 3: Which you're sort of saying is don't just sort of

1692
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 3: locked up in the closet and forget about it.

1693
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 1: Do something about it. Perhaps gett an Ameria see if

1694
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,600
Speaker 1: there's a you know, if the brain's.

1695
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 3: Looking looks normal, or do the neurosie test with a

1696
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: neurologist or a psychologist to see how you respond. Those

1697
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 3: sort of things empower you a bit, exactly. At least

1698
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 3: you can get a sense of how you feel about stuff.

1699
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: And maybe I love it.

1700
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 3: I love the fact that you did that because I'm like,

1701
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:34,600
Speaker 3: I'm really intensely interested in taking control of our lives.

1702
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 3: Whether it's feeling like a victim, which you've never have,

1703
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 3: but you could have taken, a feeling as though you

1704
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:50,280
Speaker 3: might be vulnerable to brain injury, which you know you

1705
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 3: could be, but you didn't. You don't feel victims that

1706
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 3: you take try to take control over. They're important chapters,

1707
01:24:56,160 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 3: that sort of sentiment. Whilst the winning part of really

1708
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,839
Speaker 3: exciting and fun to listen.

1709
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: To or read that sort of stuff is it can

1710
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 1: be life changing for.

1711
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 2: Some people exactly. And I think you know, you got

1712
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: to live, you got to learn by what you live

1713
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 2: as well. And I haven't spoken about her at this point,

1714
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 2: but my oldest sister, Bridget, she passed away when she

1715
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 2: was thirty seven. She had a brain injury and complications

1716
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 2: of that led to her passing away seven months later

1717
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,639
Speaker 2: I think it was. And after my sister Bernie passed

1718
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 2: away this year Bernie, Sorry, Pannadette. She I was obviously

1719
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:43,719
Speaker 2: very upset and sad. I didn't know if I was depressed.

1720
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out all the feelings. And

1721
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 2: I remember lying in bed one day thinking, why wouldn't

1722
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 2: you go and investigate this like you're worried about it.

1723
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 2: I had been worried about it for a long time,

1724
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 2: because you know, you watch tragedies that happened through CT

1725
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 2: and if you get a chance to read the book,

1726
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: I don't know how my brain is so good considering

1727
01:26:03,479 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 2: the amount of falls I've had and traumas to my head.

1728
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,680
Speaker 2: I just thought, you're so crazy and stupid not to

1729
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: go and get it checked out when you're worried about it.

1730
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:16,120
Speaker 2: So the next day got up booked an appointment, was

1731
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:18,120
Speaker 2: able to get in straight away for an MRI, which

1732
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: was just so nice to get in and not have

1733
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 2: to worry about it another day, and just to start

1734
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 2: the process of learning more about it. And it took

1735
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 2: a while. It wasn't an overnight fix where I just

1736
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: felt instantly better. Worked with the doctors from Racing Victoria,

1737
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 2: who obviously specialized in a very wide range of falls

1738
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: from horse racing, and yeah, we started a plan and

1739
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 2: it's yeah, like I said before, knowledge has just helped

1740
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: me feel so much more empowered and feel good about it.

1741
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 3: I think that's a really good point, the plan. You've

1742
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 3: got to have a plan. It might be perfect, you

1743
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 3: might change it, you might revise it, update it. But

1744
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 3: if you have a plan, you feel better, exactly for

1745
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 3: some reason, you just feel better. It may help you

1746
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: be better, but you actually feel better, and that's part

1747
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 3: of it feeling better exactly.

1748
01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: You don't want to feel guilty if you know that

1749
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,320
Speaker 2: you should be having arrest, but if I personally feel

1750
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 2: lazy if I'm not doing enough work, or you don't

1751
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 2: push through to get stuff done. But it's about listening

1752
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 2: to yourself, and it's stupid not not to listen to

1753
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 2: to what's working and what's not working. So that's something

1754
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,280
Speaker 2: that I've really learned as well.

1755
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 3: I feel like this straight Talk episod has become a

1756
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,920
Speaker 3: project one hundred episode, my other, my other project, my other,

1757
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,160
Speaker 3: myther podcast. I mean here we are talking about health

1758
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 3: and not to mental health and to her brain health,

1759
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 3: and like that's pretty important. The brain is like runs

1760
01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,640
Speaker 3: the whole show. You can't replace a brain. You can

1761
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 3: replace it hard. You can get transplants all that sort

1762
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 3: of stuff, but the brain part is really important. And

1763
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 3: you know, like someone like you who's you know, I

1764
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 3: reckon if I fell off, also probably.

1765
01:27:57,840 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: Would never want to get up.

1766
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 3: Like the amount of resilience that you show and also

1767
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 3: being able to just take if you're going to do

1768
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 3: something about it.

1769
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty tough.

1770
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 3: You're old man, he's a mister Payne. He's a tough dude.

1771
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 3: And your mom, who obviously I didn't see her in

1772
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: the show because she wasn't a low but she must

1773
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 3: have been pretty tough too, both of them.

1774
01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so remarkable. Really obviously, I'm sorry.

1775
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: What would you say to your mom now? Now?

1776
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 3: What would you want to say to your mom she

1777
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 3: was sitting here obviously, let's say she was interviewing you

1778
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 3: now and talking to you about two sisters and your

1779
01:28:39,479 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 3: life and all the stuff you had to deal with

1780
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 3: and all the stuff I've been dealt out to you.

1781
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 1: What would you say to your mom?

1782
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 2: You're going to make me a bit sad if I

1783
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:52,480
Speaker 2: think it about too much sad. That's a good thing.

1784
01:28:53,160 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 2: I just hope she's proud of us. And what was

1785
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 2: Alma Stevie.

1786
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: And your dad.

1787
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 2: Well, I think I see doubt every day.

1788
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: But do you say things to him? Do you tell

1789
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 1: him what you think?

1790
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty straight up with him.

1791
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Don't worry about that because I one of the things.

1792
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 3: I lost my foont last year, you know, and I

1793
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 3: regret not telling him some things.

1794
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, to be honest, I live down the road,

1795
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,760
Speaker 2: two kilometers down the road from him, and sometimes I'm

1796
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,719
Speaker 2: at home, I'm tired, it's not time, I think the south.

1797
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 2: Don't be lazy, go down and see him, because I

1798
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 2: definitely would hate to live with regret. And it's interesting

1799
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: you say that about you know what I would feel

1800
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: that I haven't said to him. But yeah, I don't

1801
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 2: think too much. I think we're pretty open with each other.

1802
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 2: He's pretty straight shooter. Don't worry about that.

1803
01:29:44,680 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 3: I saw that on the show. I was wondering if

1804
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 3: that was a faithful way of depicting him.

1805
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 2: Kind version, like obviously he's a great man, really obviously

1806
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: kind And I kin't of even put into words what

1807
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 2: I feel about how how good he is. And even

1808
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 2: at eighty nine years old, he moves with the times,

1809
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 2: and he goes home and he thinks about things. But Yeah,

1810
01:30:09,560 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 2: he is a straight shooter and he definitely doesn't bounce

1811
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: around your feelings, that's for sure, but in a good way.

1812
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 2: I think he just tells you how it is and

1813
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 2: you just have to suck it up and take it

1814
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 2: on and find a positive from it, you know, get better.

1815
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 3: Maybe you don't need to tell him that. Maybe he

1816
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 3: just needs to look at the daughter he's race and

1817
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 3: that tells him everything.

1818
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 2: Well, he gets a reminder sometimes.

1819
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: Well, Jay, what I did.

1820
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 3: I started up a whiskey company for my dad. I

1821
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 3: don't know if that was telling him the right think

1822
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 3: or not. I built a whiskey business off the back

1823
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 3: of him because I know he like whiskey.

1824
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: Michell payin things for much.

1825
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 2: Thank you.