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Speaker 1: The big footy issues from every angle, dissected by a

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Speaker 1: team that follows the game closer than anyone else wherever

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Speaker 1: to the AFL. This is the Fox Footy Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's some forty eight hours to go in the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five AFL trade period. Still a lot of

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Speaker 2: deals to be done, to say the least. The fact

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Speaker 2: that pick one hundred and three is the headline from

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Speaker 2: day six of the trade period says a fair bit

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Speaker 2: about what's been going on so far. Hello, and welcome

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Speaker 2: to the Fox Footy Podcast. Ben Waterworth with you alongside

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Speaker 2: Ben Cotton, Max Lrden and the nineteen eighty eight brown

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Speaker 2: Low medalists and pick fifty nine in the nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: pre season draft of Collingwood.

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Speaker 3: Jerry.

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Speaker 4: Here they were, The days, they were the days. I

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Speaker 4: was a bit of a shock when I got called out.

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Speaker 4: Never quite got there, but it would have been interesting

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Speaker 4: had I been there.

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Speaker 3: But at least I was part of a draft.

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Speaker 2: Yes you were, and you could say the ninety ninety

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Speaker 2: coming up from that was obviously calling a premiership year

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Speaker 2: as well, so you can say you can contributed to.

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Speaker 3: That in a minor way BC.

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kurno and Sydney continues to be a story that

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Speaker 2: is fascinating all at the moment. What's the latest because

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Speaker 2: he has his new South Wales bound on Monday.

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Speaker 5: That's right, so Jence, there hasn't been any movement, well,

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Speaker 5: no significant movement today, but maybe the biggest story is

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Speaker 5: Charlie Kurno touring the Swans or touring Sydney's facilities tonight

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Speaker 5: to have a.

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Speaker 6: Look and see if that's where he wants to go.

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Speaker 5: Like this is a pretty big step forward clearly in

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Speaker 5: terms of him deciding on his future because so far

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Speaker 5: his preference has been to get to Geelong. If he

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Speaker 5: really wants to push to get to Sydney, or if

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Speaker 5: Sydney becomes a good landing spot for him, which we

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Speaker 5: think it will, then's Sydney. And of course carlt enough

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Speaker 5: to get negotiating at the trade table, so we know

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Speaker 5: that Sydney, we believe, is prepared to trade some players.

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Speaker 5: So we're hearing about Will Hayward, James robotom and Oli Florence.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Morris reporting tonight that Will Hayward is somewhat open.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And of course Jared mentioned before, we know

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Speaker 5: how much he loves James Robotum, so that would strike

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Speaker 5: a cord there. But we think that clubs have asked

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Speaker 5: the question about James Robertum and they think he might

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Speaker 5: be getable as opposed to Robotum wanting out. We know

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Speaker 5: that he wants to stay. But will Hayward and Oli

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Speaker 5: Floren there's a big watch on both of those guys.

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Speaker 4: Well, I can save Charlie a tour of the facility

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Speaker 4: that much to see.

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Speaker 3: It's like Disneyland. I can just go to Disneyland, long lines.

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Speaker 4: It's still AFL football, so you're not going to find

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Speaker 4: a better facility. So if he's making his decision based

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Speaker 4: on facilities, you can sign him up now. As for

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Speaker 4: whether or not Hayward gets thrown in, look, it's hard

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Speaker 4: for me as a person who has watched the Swans

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Speaker 4: it's hard for me to kind of played all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, the Swans are going to lose the likes

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Speaker 4: of Hayward or their rowbottomizer, who I think can play

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Speaker 4: the same role as Andrew Dunkley, and Josh dunclein Sorry

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Speaker 4: Josh Hunky, and you know his best was better from

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Speaker 4: a statistical perspective than Josh Dunkley's this year best and

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Speaker 4: fairest in a Premiership season. So it's I know he

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Speaker 4: lost his spot in the middle of the ground in

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Speaker 4: Sheldry got put back. Well, i'd say win your spot

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Speaker 4: back in the middle, john Roe bottomize a few more.

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Speaker 7: I wonder if that's more about teams looking at Robotom

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Speaker 7: losing his spot and then thinking well, if he's lost

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Speaker 7: the spot, maybe he'd be more willing to come to us,

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Speaker 7: he'd be more gettible because he's out of that midfield

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Speaker 7: mix which he presumably wants to play him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think there's also to Jared's point, I

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Speaker 5: you're bringing in a seven figure salary and clearly something

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Speaker 5: to offer a package of two first round picks, being

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Speaker 3: That sounds about right, doesn't it.

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Speaker 7: Roughly for a that's the most realistic deal I've certainly heard.

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Speaker 3: It might players in two first rounders.

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Speaker 7: Well you don't need Floriend maybe not so much one

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Speaker 7: and the two first round picks. If Florid wouldn't they

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Speaker 7: a separate deal, so maybe not necessarily, it could be

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Speaker 4: Well, there's no question that the Swans are a far

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Speaker 4: better side with Charlie coming out of the goal square.

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Speaker 4: It begs a question what happens to the other tools

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Speaker 4: and they go to They're going to be fighting for

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Speaker 4: various positions. Maybe they'll try McDonald down in the back half.

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Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure I think that needs to happen.

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Speaker 4: They trilled a couple of years ago, got injured, didn't

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Speaker 4: play a game last year, so potentially that's on the table.

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Speaker 4: But they've got another couple of tools that they've got

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Speaker 4: a squeeze in.

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Speaker 3: Charlie is a top ender.

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Speaker 4: But you only have to look as far as the

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Speaker 4: of the thirty goals kicked in the Grand Final, one

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Speaker 7: For Brisbane and they would be nice to see Sidney

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Speaker 7: assuming they're going to be good next year anyway.

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Speaker 2: Well, you always talk about the potential prospect of a

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Speaker 2: and I think considering how the Swan's played in the

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Speaker 2: a popular tip to do the same thing next year.

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Speaker 7: They perfectly fit the profile. There's one a year every

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Speaker 7: getting all the way in there. Collingwood made more sense

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Speaker 7: The second half of the year. They were effectively as

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Speaker 4: Game against Brisbane with about three rounds to go when

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Speaker 4: Needed to be changed a little bit and I think

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Speaker 4: play some finals tight footing you. There's no question that

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Speaker 4: if you can't handle, you're not winning a flat.

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Speaker 5: And we know they're a different team with Eryl Goulden

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Speaker 5: And that's a player that all those top bend goals

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Speaker 5: are the ones that Carlton was originally asking for. That

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Speaker 5: there's Will Hayward, James Robert and Oli Florentin types are

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Speaker 5: the ones that seemed more realistic, more gettable.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of the integral players sticking around at

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Speaker 2: premiership a couple of years ago on the way out.

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Speaker 2: We know about Christian Petrarca and Clayton Oliver.

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Speaker 3: One thing we just.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to raise though, Stephen May, who we know prior

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Speaker 2: very very quiet though as we head towards the deadline.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's just no real serious suitors. I

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Speaker 5: to think Kilda swooped in at the last minute or allegedly,

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Speaker 5: also not going to pursue him. So the list of

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Speaker 5: if there was a real list of suitors.

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Speaker 3: What's his money? Is he sevens or eight?

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Speaker 5: I think it's in the eight Rangeer'd be up there

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Speaker 5: when he signed that last year he was one of

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Speaker 2: But he did drop off maybe a little bit in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. Stephen may a lot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's going against Jack Gunston was one of the

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Speaker 4: one of the lower ReBs of his career. I know

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Speaker 3: Look, he's one of those guys where you're just it's

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Speaker 4: But his potential upside is if you can get him

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Speaker 4: at the right price, then I'd be chasing him.

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Speaker 3: Surely.

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Speaker 7: If the Bulldogs aren't willing to chase him, that either

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Speaker 7: says that they have intel that says he's not going

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Speaker 7: to be any good next year, or that they think

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Speaker 7: they're good enough with Connor Buttereck being their loan addition

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Speaker 7: to their back six, which doesn't seem like an enormous

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Speaker 4: And it's going to be up to the player himself

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Speaker 4: to change that intel, to go to people and say, well,

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Speaker 4: I'll take this, but if I finish in the top

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Speaker 4: ten and the best and fairest, I want this back

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Speaker 4: himself in And if he did so, I think there'd

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Speaker 4: be a number of clubs.

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Speaker 3: You can think of three or four other clubs.

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Speaker 4: The Swans, for instance, they let another key defender just

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Speaker 4: as much as they need Charlie Kerner.

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Speaker 3: Probably more, I would argue, don't disagree with that.

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Speaker 4: Now, are they going to sell the farm to get him? No,

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Speaker 4: but if the farm's coming at twenty five percent of retail,

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Speaker 4: well then you'd have a crack.

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Speaker 7: That's what did your long farm?

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Speaker 2: What about if the DS do hold on to Stephen Mays,

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Speaker 2: who's got that one year left on his contract, and

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Speaker 2: as we mentioned, his form did drop off a little

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Speaker 2: bit in twenty twenty five, what's the balance and how

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Speaker 2: do they use him in twenty twenty six considering his age,

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Speaker 2: considering that aput drop off in time.

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Speaker 4: I don't think you can consider age outside of maybe

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Speaker 4: saying well, we're going to play eighteen games instead of

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Speaker 4: up fitter than he's ever turned up, and I know

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Speaker 5: It's clearly a new era at Melbourne. Stephen King is

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Speaker 4: I mean Brad Green demanding that Oliver stay and there

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Speaker 2: Well imagine if that later done the old Harry Petty

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Speaker 2: a couple of quick ones there. Jaredy from a from

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't just keep it to the free agency. I

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's all manner of things that need to

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Speaker 4: You know, their question mark on n GAS is always

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Speaker 5: What about the power of clubs because we've seen, sorry,

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Speaker 6: Do we need to shift?

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Speaker 6: And if so, how do you think that could player?

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Speaker 4: To me, that's messy, and to me, that's difficult to

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Speaker 7: For clubs are always talking about both sides of their

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Speaker 7: Come on, let's be reasonable. It's full of critical.

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Speaker 3: The longer, the better, longer punching it.

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Speaker 4: But to get something you've got to give some yep.

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Speaker 4: So I'm not sure how long it go. What's it

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Speaker 3: It's now nine days and it used to be.

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Speaker 4: Two weeks, and the deals still get done in the

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Speaker 3: In Macie time, you.

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Speaker 7: Have sports where you're going to have months of trading

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Speaker 7: That's always going to happen on the final day regardless,

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Speaker 2: That is the end of the first seven here in

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Speaker 2: the Fox Foody Podcast. Jared, thanks for sticking around much

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Speaker 2: appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: With fun coming up after this.

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Speaker 6: Fair or Fast.

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Speaker 1: And Now on the Box Footy Podcast, another strong edition

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Speaker 1: of Australia's Favorite segment, Fair or Fast.

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Speaker 2: His time for Australia's Favorite segment Fair or Fast Jam Packed.

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Speaker 2: There's always bec starting with you. If it wasn't already

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Speaker 2: The Zach Merritt scenario could get real ugly, fair or fast.

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Speaker 5: That is fair, I think ugly from a trade standpoint,

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Speaker 5: and maybe even merit. Going back to Essendon, I think

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Speaker 5: this is the most likely deal to fall over, you Reckon.

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Speaker 5: I think so because the complicated thing with this is

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Speaker 5: it's just nutting out the deal and Sydney has clearly

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Speaker 5: is prepared to go to great lengths to get Charlie Kurno.

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Speaker 5: They're talking about players, they've got some good picks, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: But Essendon and Hawthorne not only are they not even

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Speaker 5: I don't think is on the trade table. His management

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Speaker 5: taking calls for him. So Mitch Lewis is another name

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Speaker 5: that's been thrown up. We don't know if he's available

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Speaker 6: So there's just a lot of layers to it.

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Speaker 5: But I think that's an interesting element that some people

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Speaker 5: forty out hours to go. Who knows if something else

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Speaker 5: could unlock the deal. Is there a third club? I'm

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Speaker 5: not too sure, but I just think it's going to

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Speaker 5: because I'm not sure if Hawthorne's really ready to go

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Speaker 2: So when you mentioned the important importance of the management

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Speaker 6: Yeah, two clubs together.

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Speaker 5: Certainly in bigger profile moves like this. We know Tom Patroro.

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Speaker 5: Zach Merritt's manager's basically been the person trying to orchestrate

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Speaker 5: workout what Hawthorne could give up, workout potentially what Essenon's

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Speaker 5: they're not even willing to trade him or listen to

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Speaker 5: trade offers. Of course that could change. They may have

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Speaker 5: a plan all along to deadline day, we'll start talking,

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Speaker 5: but clearly the managers have a big role to play

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Speaker 5: in nutting out those final details.

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Speaker 2: MAXI, this is I bet a bugbears of yours on

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Speaker 2: that Monday. It feels like some AFL draft picks are

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Speaker 2: just made up out of nowhere, fair or fast. Will Brody, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I would.

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Speaker 7: Be insulted if I was Will Brody, would you, Because

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Speaker 7: not only am I only worth a fictional draft pick

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Speaker 7: pick one oh three, I'm not even worth a better

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Speaker 7: worth a sixth round.

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Speaker 3: But hang on.

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Speaker 2: So pick on hundred and three was part of the

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Speaker 2: official paperwork, so it has to be official, doesn't it

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Speaker 2: that you.

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Speaker 3: Would think so?

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Speaker 7: And look, these picks have to exist because of this

439
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Speaker 7: rule around, you have to have three picks going into

440
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Speaker 7: the draft, so every club will have picks based on

441
00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,080
Speaker 7: their drafts, their list spots, and effectively we're going to

442
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,239
Speaker 7: draft night and they make up rounds and teams will

443
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Speaker 7: have seventh and eighth round picks even though everyone else

444
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Speaker 7: is passed. It's so stupid, and I don't know why.

445
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Speaker 7: They just don't have a set structure. But also I

446
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Speaker 7: think the AFL is making these picks up because I

447
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Speaker 7: looked on their website, right and you check today and

448
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Speaker 7: you go, oh, Freeman's trained to pick one oh three,

449
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Speaker 7: And then suddenly all of these teams have picks in

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Speaker 7: the one hundreds and the one hundred and tens or style,

451
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Speaker 7: And then I exactly, they've rkoed me, certainly, And then

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Speaker 7: I checked the Internet archive. Yes, and last week on

453
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Speaker 7: the AFL website, which presumably is the official information source,

454
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Speaker 7: these picks didn't exist. So either there are two scenarios here.

455
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Speaker 7: Either the league has made these picks up to suit

456
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Speaker 7: this trade happening, or the official source of information is

457
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Speaker 7: relied upon by an editorial staff who are having to

458
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Speaker 7: put these picks in it.

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Speaker 3: Way weight one hundred and three. We're going to give

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Speaker 3: all these teams picks.

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Speaker 7: Let's make it look not quite so silly, and it

462
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Speaker 7: will be nice to have an official information source about

463
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Speaker 7: draft picks then, right, just a thought.

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Speaker 2: Well, and the thing is, in recent times, like the draft,

465
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Speaker 2: I think even this year might be as much as

466
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Speaker 2: sixty picks somewhere around like as in like sixty picks

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Speaker 2: will be takes.

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Speaker 7: It's roughly like sixty three sixty five this usually most year,

469
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Speaker 7: and so this pick won't get used like Fremantle is

470
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Speaker 7: only getting this pick because this is the worst pick

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Speaker 7: that Port Adelaide could trade and it's effectively Freemantle's dumping

472
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Speaker 7: whatever salary Will Broady has. So I understand it, but

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Speaker 7: it's just still so silly.

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Speaker 2: So speaking of Port Adelaide, their BC port Adelaide aren't

475
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Speaker 2: big fans of the twenty twenty five draft pool. Fair

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Speaker 2: or fast?

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Speaker 6: That is fair. I think that is very fair.

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Speaker 5: Not the one hundred and third best prospect is port

479
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Speaker 5: Adelaid's draft end right now is pick forty nine. And

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Speaker 5: then to Max's point, before they pick eighty five and

481
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Speaker 5: one hundred and three, very hot spots of right in

482
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Speaker 5: previous drass. But I think the Port stuff, I think

483
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Speaker 5: it's twofold. I think one that they don't like this draft.

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Speaker 2: And you reported about this a little earlier on Yeah.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 5: I reported a month ago that they were potentially prepared

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Speaker 5: to not have a single draft pick at all in

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Speaker 5: this draft, which I'm not even sure if that's been

489
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Speaker 5: done before, and I think that is still on the cards.

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Speaker 5: Just watch that space with their pick forty nine that

491
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Speaker 5: could find its way elsewhere over the next four to

492
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Speaker 5: our hours, and then they would effectively upgrade rookie spots

493
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Speaker 5: instead of using draft picks. But I think it's twofold.

494
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Speaker 5: It's one that they don't like this draft that much.

495
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Speaker 5: And this has been dating back to last year when

496
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Speaker 5: they made the Dan Houston trade with Gold Coast and Collingwood,

497
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Speaker 5: and then of course they want assets in next year's

498
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Speaker 5: draft when Dougie Cochran, who's not yet officially linked to

499
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Speaker 5: them with NNGA, there's still some background work that the

500
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Speaker 5: AFL is doing, but we think that he's going to

501
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Speaker 5: be linked to Port as an MGA guy.

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Speaker 2: So and for context, he's probably the number one prospecting

503
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Speaker 2: next year's draft, and his name is Dougie ye anything,

504
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Speaker 2: which is very good.

505
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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so teach me how to Dougie wants to

506
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Speaker 5: get port Adlais wants him, and then they also have

507
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Speaker 5: a guys and the father son and academies in the

508
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Speaker 5: next couple year after as well. So effectively, they just

509
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Speaker 5: want to keep pushing back picks to maximize those drafts

510
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Speaker 5: where they have highly rated guys. And we know that

511
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Speaker 5: under the proposed AFL changes it's going to be harder

512
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Speaker 5: than ever to get these players in.

513
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Speaker 2: David Rhaden's son, Stephen Tellipeck's son two to watch in

514
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Speaker 2: a couple of years time, Maxi Joyce Simkin is worth

515
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Speaker 2: two first round picks.

516
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Speaker 6: Fair or fast, No fast.

517
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Speaker 7: I'm on Collingwood side for once, huge, which is exciting.

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Speaker 7: The rarity your face turned for me, that's right, Thank

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Speaker 7: you guys. Pro Wrestling. We'll talk about that later. Look

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Speaker 7: back at the players they've actually gone for two first

521
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Speaker 7: round picks recently, Shade Bolton kind of did it was

522
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Speaker 7: three for one, yeah, effectively, Tim Taranto was the pick

523
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Speaker 7: twelve and nineteen, probably overpriced based on production since he's

524
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Speaker 7: been fine.

525
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Richmond certainly, but they won't their best em farios

526
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Speaker 6: this year.

527
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Speaker 7: You know, did you watch Richmond play then, well they.

528
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Speaker 3: Didn't win a lot of game. Yea, more than expect,

529
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Speaker 3: more than.

530
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Speaker 7: Expected, that's true. Maybe they just need to find a

531
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Speaker 7: gold Coast because danniy Olian for six and twenty three

532
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Speaker 7: that sounds about the right price, except gold Coast is

533
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Speaker 7: in that weir position where it's again it's draft picks

534
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Speaker 7: are fictional. So no, he's not worth fifthirst three picks.

535
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Speaker 7: And that's why I think you'll stay at North Melbourne BC.

536
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Speaker 2: Brisbane is going to have to soften its stance on

537
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Speaker 2: col ar cheese value fair.

538
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Speaker 6: Or fast fair very much so fair.

539
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 5: This is this is a tough one, so Adelaide, So

540
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Speaker 5: Brisbane wants a first round pick.

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Speaker 6: They want Adelaide's pick sixteen.

542
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Speaker 3: He could have initially moved.

543
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Speaker 2: As a free agent.

544
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Speaker 5: Yes, so he's out of contract, he's twenty eight years

545
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Speaker 5: old and he's Yeah, so Brisbane wants to get picked

546
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Speaker 5: sixteen or a future first and Adelaide is saying, no,

547
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Speaker 5: we don't want to give that much. We're going to

548
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Speaker 5: give a maybe a future second or whatever it is

549
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Speaker 5: they've got. Their next pick is pick forty eight. I

550
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Speaker 5: think it's probably his value probably fall somewhere in the middle,

551
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Speaker 5: so then it's either trade a future second round pick

552
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 5: or Adelaide maybe just needs to get creative. I can

553
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Speaker 5: understand how Brisbane values him highly, like he's a two

554
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 5: time premiership player. He's twenty twenty three, twenty four final

555
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 5: series was pretty impressive. This past one not as much,

556
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 5: but two time premiership player. He's built built up some

557
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 5: good credibility at the lines, and Domino drafted him, so

558
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 5: he clearly rates him. And now I'm not sure how

559
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Speaker 5: this gets done. Maybe I think the easiest solution is

560
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Speaker 5: maybe a future second round pick, unless Adelaide somehow rejingles

561
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Speaker 5: that draft end that.

562
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Speaker 7: He's not worth a first round pick this year, even

563
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Speaker 7: if it's a late pick a particularly weak draft. But

564
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Speaker 7: the gap between pick sixteen and a future second is

565
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Speaker 7: pretty large. Yeah, and if we think Adelaide is going

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Speaker 7: to be any good.

567
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Speaker 5: Yes, and looking at both clubs hands, they've both got

568
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Speaker 5: heaps of picks to play with. So I just wonder

569
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Speaker 5: if this could be a case of one of those

570
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Speaker 5: ridiculous trades we see with there's about three or four

571
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Speaker 5: picks involved, a couple of like Brisbane moves ahead with

572
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 5: X and Y, and it sort of just feels irrelevant

573
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 5: at the end. But we do know how much clubs

574
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 5: love to win trades, or at least feel like they're winning.

575
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Speaker 7: What's Brisbane's second pick after the I know they've got

576
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Speaker 7: early ones. They got to match the bit of the

577
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Speaker 7: annibal adedible.

578
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so they've got seventeen, twenty three and forty four.

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Speaker 5: So again, but if you you know, let's say Adelaide

580
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Speaker 5: gives pick sixteen and they get back twenty three.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and then the future second as well, that seems reasonable.

582
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Speaker 2: I think so, MAXI one just beyond footy. Just to

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Speaker 2: appease our WWE fans out there, Australian WWE fans were

584
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Speaker 2: disgracefully disrespectful to the USA in Perth, fair or Fast.

585
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Speaker 7: What a night it was at eleven pm East Coast

586
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 7: time as Crown Jewel Perth was held because the Perth

587
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Speaker 7: government loves spending money to get people to go and

588
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 7: do events in wa.

589
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Speaker 2: Very even like by person it's normally everything is in

590
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Speaker 2: bed by that time, the fastest sleep by then.

591
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Speaker 7: But the crowd was not asleep. The crowd was electric

592
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Speaker 7: and they were booing the American anthem at the top

593
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Speaker 7: of that show, which was an interesting thing.

594
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Speaker 3: I think that's fair enough.

595
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Speaker 7: Speaking of face turns, I think America has only gone

596
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 7: a bit of a hill turn over the last year

597
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Speaker 7: or so. It's probably fair enough. It's just weird to

598
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 7: go overseas. If we played, okay, to be fair, when

599
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 7: we played China games, yes, which we all loved, obviously,

600
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 7: let's bring did They played the Australian anthem before Port

601
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 7: Gold Coast at jiang Wan Stadium in Shanghai, So maybe

602
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 7: maybe the Chinese fans boot us and that's why they

603
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 7: haven't gone back, and Koshi was upset.

604
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Speaker 5: They did play the national anthem before the NBL Pelicans v.

605
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Speaker 5: Melbourne Southeast Melbourne Phoenies, but they did both nationally.

606
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Speaker 7: That's America does that because America is weird and does

607
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 7: the anthem in every single sporting event. Maybe if we

608
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 7: had to do that for every AFL game. Well, it's

609
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 7: Securda North here Sunday for forty at Marvel, let's do

610
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 7: the anthem.

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Speaker 2: Very patriotic country, Yes, it is very patriotic country.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was a little bit jarring.

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Speaker 2: It has to say the least, and it's set tongues

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Speaker 2: wagging over in the in the US. That is the

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Speaker 2: end of the Fox Footy podcast. We'll have a couple

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Speaker 2: more over the next coming weeks as we lead up

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