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Speaker 1: A new laws announced to do a couple of things

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Speaker 1: puppy farms is to be introduced and the upgraded laws

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Speaker 1: will also crack down on vicious dog attacks, which I'm

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Speaker 1: sure people will welcome. Doctor Susan close Environment Minister has

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Speaker 1: responsibility for the legislation and that she is on the line. Minister.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, lovely to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about the puppy farms first, how will

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Speaker 1: this work and will the offset be Puppies will become

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Speaker 1: more expensive than they are now?

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Speaker 2: Oh, look, they shouldn't do no. Puppies are already pretty expensive.

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Speaker 2: Can sence thousands of dollars on puppies, But what people

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Speaker 2: need to know is that they've come from mothers that

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Speaker 2: have been well cared for, that haven't been overbred. That

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Speaker 2: you have a place to sleep at night, get exercise

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Speaker 2: and so on, and largely that's the case. Most breeders

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Speaker 2: do the right thing. But what we've seen is two trends.

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Speaker 2: One is that there are some breeders that want to

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Speaker 2: havendreds of dogs. People may remember that a couple few

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Speaker 2: years ago, as people from Victoria who could no longer

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Speaker 2: do it over the border. Wanted to come here and

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Speaker 2: have a puffy farm with three hundred dogs, that's really

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Speaker 2: an industrial way of treading dogs. With this legislation will

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Speaker 2: prevent that. We already changed for any new breeders so

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Speaker 2: that we could see off that particular issue with those

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Speaker 2: particular ones, but we're now putting it into the legislation

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Speaker 2: to say we can't have more than fifty which is

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Speaker 2: the Victorian standard, which means you're not going to get

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Speaker 2: people trying to come across the border. But the other

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Speaker 2: trend is those backyard breeders and they won't have hundreds

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Speaker 2: of dogs, and they have five or ten, but they're

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Speaker 2: not treating animals appropriately. And what we want to do

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Speaker 2: is create instead of just a registration where you get

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Speaker 2: the number and say, look, I'm a registered breeder, you

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Speaker 2: actually have to get licensed and we can remove your

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Speaker 2: license if you're not complying with the guidelines on how

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Speaker 2: animals should be treated. So it really is fulfilling our

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Speaker 2: promise that we will do everything we can to stamp

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Speaker 2: out puffy farms.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so clearly concerning I mean the mistreatment of animals,

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Speaker 1: we've seen repeat offenders here, are the laws tough enough

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Speaker 1: for the people here who are using dogs in this way.

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Speaker 1: They haven't.

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Speaker 2: They haven't been tough enough, And I think this is

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Speaker 2: really the last element of what we need to do.

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Speaker 2: One of the problems that we've seen before, for example,

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Speaker 2: is a gain Victoria. The breeders may have lost their

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Speaker 2: come over the border and set up shop here. This

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Speaker 2: legislation will also prevent that. So if you've been banned

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Speaker 2: from being a breeder into state, you can't just come

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Speaker 2: over here and set up And there was a really

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Speaker 2: nicey case I think we saw fairly recently, although the

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Speaker 2: RSPCA had identified it a few years ago, but it

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Speaker 2: takes a while to get to prosecution, and that person

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Speaker 2: was prosecuted for cruelty. But she should never have been

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Speaker 2: that's one of the examples that we just need to

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Speaker 2: stamp out. Because having a puppy in the family just

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Speaker 2: transforms a family, doesn't It make the house into a home.

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Speaker 2: And what you don't want is to think that that

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Speaker 2: being booked after. So that's what we're really up to,

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Speaker 2: as well as getting on top of the dog attack issue,

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Speaker 2: where we're seeing more dogs attacking other dogs, and we've

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Speaker 2: really up the penalties on that too.

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Speaker 1: So this isn't just dog attacks on people. This is

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Speaker 2: Aim, exactly exactly. So mostly it's what we see are

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Speaker 2: either dogs attacking people and it might be a stranger,

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Speaker 2: but it's often their own family member, or dogs attacking

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Speaker 2: it's incredibly distressing. And there was that story that was

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Speaker 2: And so that woman was like, this is a ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Here we are about to change the legislation for the

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Speaker 2: puffy farms. So what we've done is looked into states

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Speaker 2: and that sounds like a huge jump, but I'm telling

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Speaker 2: I'm so pleased to be able to update it because

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Speaker 2: we need to send a very clear message if you

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Speaker 2: the dog bounded out of a car, not on a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, So why the midpoint? Why not take it

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Speaker 2: Oh well, look we've sort of bear in mind where

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Speaker 2: So that's what we've done. But as I say, that's

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Speaker 2: gone then from five hundred to twenty five thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: The biggest fine is one hundred thousand dollars and that's

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Speaker 2: if you actively encourage your dog to attack either another

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Speaker 2: that's now up to one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: And taking it really seriously, fifty grand if the attacking

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Speaker 1: dog was already the subject of a dangerous dog order,

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Speaker 1: up from ten grand. If a dog is a subject

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Speaker 1: of a dangerous dog order, why would we even issue that.

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Speaker 1: I mean if it's attacked someone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so a part of that is the definition of

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Speaker 2: being on a dangerous dog order, so it covers a

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Speaker 2: few different activities. So maybe that they've attacked before. And

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, counselors can order a destruction, they

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Speaker 2: go to a magistrate, they can have an obstruction order

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Speaker 2: and I think do do that, but I'd like to

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Speaker 2: get a dangerous dog order if the dog has harassed

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Speaker 2: so it might be that they've just looked like they

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Speaker 2: like this, this is something that could escalate. You can

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Speaker 2: that is clearly not completely under control. When offer lead,

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Speaker 2: you now need to treat that much more carefully. If

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Speaker 2: expect that that dog would be also have a destruction order,

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Speaker 2: which which sounds harsh. And I'm a real dog lover,

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Speaker 2: I'm an animal lover. But if you have seen the

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Speaker 2: heartbreak of people who've had their dogs mauled, killed by

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Speaker 2: need to send the right signals. This is completely unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Well, especially when the puppy that it might have been

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Speaker 1: cost you five grand for instance, for a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: You know, they are an obligate. You know, dogs are

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Speaker 2: wonderful company, but they're an obligation. When you bring a

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Speaker 1: You've got to be responsible for them absolutely, all right,

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Speaker 1: Susan close, thank you for your time. Thank you Environment

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Speaker 1: Minister there. David park And is chair of the Dog

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Speaker 1: and Cat Management Board of Essay. David, you've been listening

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Speaker 1: to the minister. All of this enforceable relatively easily in

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Speaker 1: your of you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, sure, the ministers were on top of it, brace

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Speaker 3: and they are. We have one of our roles on

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Speaker 3: the board is to recommend to the Minister what we

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Speaker 3: believe are appropriate changes in legislation.

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Speaker 4: And she's picked up on these and we're we think

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Speaker 4: what she said is dead right and fully support it.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Regarding puppy farms, do you think we have any

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Speaker 1: operating here illegally at the moment.

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Speaker 4: It's it's hard define what you mean illegally because we

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Speaker 3: We now are.

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Speaker 4: If the question is really, do you believe that there

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Speaker 4: are some that would now fit outside what we believe

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Speaker 4: are appropriate standards, the answer is possibly, but certainly not

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Speaker 4: a lot. Once once we once just legislation is in place,

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Speaker 4: and then we have a means of licensing farms and

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Speaker 4: then we will know precisely how many breeding animals there are,

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Speaker 5: Can bring them in line.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do we know how many registered breeders we do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there'd be oh, I think between four and five thousand.

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Speaker 4: There's quite a few, but a lot of them. You know,

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Speaker 4: you are a register as a breeder means that you

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Speaker 4: can keep a dog, not de sext obviously, and you

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Speaker 4: but to do that, you have to register as a breeder,

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Speaker 4: and you have to keep records, and we have to

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Speaker 4: track through the Dogs and Cats Online Registration system of

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Speaker 4: how you are breeding. So a lot of them would

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Speaker 4: be very small. Those who do it or hobbies, Those

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Speaker 4: who actually do it commercially will they certainly exist. We

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Speaker 4: wish to get better track of those. And just as importantly,

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Speaker 4: we wish to no matter what the size of the

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Speaker 4: complies in full with animal welfare compliance. That's not necessarily

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Speaker 4: that's not within the remit of the Dog and Cat legislation,

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Speaker 4: but it certainly within the other acts of Animal Welfare Act.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, what about the attacks dog attack issue?

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Speaker 1: Does that fit within the Dog and Cat Board at all?

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Speaker 4: It does? Yes, yes, very much so. And we are

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Speaker 4: concerned that there's an increase in overall dog of cats

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Speaker 4: and you might have noticed a few months ago we

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Speaker 4: initiated a publicity campaign around any dog can have a

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Speaker 4: of no matter how cute fluffy little Fido might look,

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Speaker 4: it can still attack and you people have to be

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Speaker 4: very conscious, very aware of dog's behavior and particularly around

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Speaker 4: young children. And that was just an awareness campaign. But yes,

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Speaker 4: there is an increase in the text. We believe that

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Speaker 4: the responsible ownership is very very important and with ownership

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Speaker 1: Be enforced absolutely. Now, how are we on top of

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Speaker 1: people moving here from interstate with a dog that's been

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Speaker 1: listed as dangerous or prohibited?

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Speaker 4: Well, hopefully more on top as a result of this

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Speaker 4: legislation than before. You can't move an animal into South

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Speaker 5: And you can't and if there is a dangerous dog

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Speaker 5: order on that you have to.

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Speaker 4: Advise us of that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're relying on the person to tell you,

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Speaker 1: which they Yeah, I'm here, can you hear me?

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Speaker 5: You've just dropped off my bluetooth.

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Speaker 1: I'll pick you up on it, okay, excellent. So you're

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Speaker 1: relying on the person to tell you then, which may

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Speaker 1: not be their top of mind issue. To do.

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Speaker 5: Well, I need to have to register with us, and

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Speaker 5: if they choose not to tell us, then there's very

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Speaker 5: little what we can do to try and to detective

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Speaker 5: work to see whether they are and that's just impossible. However,

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Speaker 5: if we found that they had not advised us and

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Speaker 5: the dog had subsequently misbehaved, the panel is very serious.

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Speaker 1: All right, I appreciate your time this morning, David.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 1: David Park And Chair Dog and Cat Management Board of

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