WEBVTT - The Late Debate - 31 July 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.680 Great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson with Liz 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:05.640 Storer and kayleb Bond coming up a childcare worker in 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.840 trouble for drinking Gatorade on the job. Turns out it 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.880 wasn't gatorade plus. When we look at the papers, Chinese 0:00:12.920 --> 0:00:16.520 swimmers test positive for performance enhancing drugs and then blame 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:21.000 Australian beef plus the Labor Party unveil their plans for 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.400 bridging the gap between Indigenous and non Indigenous Australians. All 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.560 of that when we get to the papers a little 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:32.199 later on. But the Olympic Games officials have defended two 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.680 biological men competing in women's boxing events, and you won't 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.800 believe they're rationale. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:39.199 Now. 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:43.920 Iman Khaliff from Algeria and Lynn U Ting from Taiwan 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.400 were banned from international competition after recent medical tests confirmed 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:50.600 they had x Y chromosomes. 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.320 In other words, they were biological men. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.640 But the IOC has allowed them to compete in Paris 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:01.040 as women regardless, and listen to their reasoning. This is 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.319 the IOC spokesman Mark Adams, and he told journalists, I quote, 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:10.119 everyone competing in the women's category is complying with the 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.600 eligibility criteria. 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:13.040 To stop right there for a second. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.520 That gives you a clue that something is wrong, because 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.160 what he should say is everyone competing in the women's 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:20.920 category is a woman. But no, no, no, there's an 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:26.680 eligibility criteria. Now listen to the criteria. He says they 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.280 are women in their passports, and it's stated that is 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:35.880 the case, and they are female. So there's the IOC's argument. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:40.039 It says that they're women in their passports, therefore they 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:40.880 are women. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:41.840 Now we all know. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.120 There's an obvious problem with that, and that is that 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:50.120 legal documents are no longer credible for determining gender. We 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.080 spoke just last night about the fact that in Queensland, 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.560 for instance, you can adjust your birth certificate even without 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.600 undergoing any medical procedures. If you identify as a woman 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.960 and live as a woman for the specified period of time, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:08.240 then the birth records are adjusted to. 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.000 Say that you are a woman. 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.680 And then if anyone sort of complains that maybe you're not, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.840 you simply point to the birth records, which you yourself 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.120 adjusted just. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:18.760 Five minutes ago. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:21.480 So, Calvin Livez, here's my issue with this. If I 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.160 were to go to the IOC, crude example, but go 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.080 with me for a second. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:26.639 And I wanted to buy. 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:29.200 Front row seats at a major event or worth five 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:33.000 hundred dollars, And I handed Mark Adams a fifty dollar 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:35.360 note and he said, well, I'm sorry, that's not enough 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.320 you need. And I got at my biro and I 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.040 just added another zero and said, no, no, it's five hundred. 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.119 Would he agree that was reasonable? 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.760 Because it's a lot easier to adjust the agreed value 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:49.440 of a piece of paper than it is to adjust biological, 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.520 immutable sex, is it not? 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:54.720 Well, I just hope that that does become law, that 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.520 I can, with a pen add another zero onto my 0:02:57.600 --> 0:02:59.799 fifty dollar note and make it a five hundred dollar note. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.400 I'd be all on board with that. Why don't worry 0:03:02.440 --> 0:03:06.200 about that. I mean, this is a bizarre case because 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.760 these two boxes, as far as we can tell, have 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.520 never outwardly identified as men or lived as men. So 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.280 it seems as though they've lived their whole lives as 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.680 though they were women. Now, look, I haven't looked between 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:23.120 their legs, but I'm assuming that they have, you know, 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.720 lady bits down there. But when they went to compete 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.200 at the World Championships last year, they were given DNA 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.800 tests to confirm that they were who they said they were, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:35.560 and they came back with high levels of testosterone and 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.400 x Y chromosomes, which of course indicates some level of 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:43.320 biological maleness about them. Now, they may never zones tend 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:46.480 to be filmed, they may never have known that about themselves, 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.200 but that's what turned up in the DNA tests, and 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:52.440 so at that point there's no argument to keep competing. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.880 I mean, surely we all have to understand that there 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.800 are certain things we can and cannot do in life 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.200 based on the physical attributes that we are born with. 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.600 I mean, you know, some of us come out with 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.520 the half a foot or something, right, and that means 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.120 that you can't be part of the military. Now, you 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.240 might grow up thinking, well, I really wanted to be 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:13.720 part of the military, but you're never going to be 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.280 accepted into the military because they say, well, you've got 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.920 a physical disability and that discounts you from being part 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:22.440 of the military. That's just how life goes. It was 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.919 quite funny I heard Chris o'keeff on two GB today 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:28.360 saying that he really wished he could be a victorious 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.080 secret model. But of course, as a burly man He's 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:33.279 never going to be able to do that. That's just 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.599 the reality of life. So if the DNA test comes 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.120 back and says, sorry, you're a bloke, you can't compete anymore. 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:44.000 And I get that that might be devastating that you 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.680 can't compete, but that's just how it goes. We had 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:49.359 to accept there are some things in life we can't do, 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.840 and competing as a boxer, particularly a boxer when you've 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.440 got high levels of testosterone and you're saying you're a woman, 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:57.560 is just something you can't do. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.640 I've got to say to Chris o'keef just to encourage 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.640 him stas he could probably be in a bikini on 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:02.239 the front paper. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.480 That's a good point and he'd be fine. I would 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:05.560 go with that, Liz. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.920 And this this is affecting everyone's scores, right. So two 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:14.760 of these people are boxes, males versus women competing as women. 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.280 Two of them are on the Zambian football team and 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:23.680 our Matilda's went to play with them. One of them 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:29.360 scored two goals. Do you call them goals? Okay, goals? 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.440 And again you have to ask yourself, were you not 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:37.160 a biological male, would you have scored twice against our girls. 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.719 It's even worse to that because the other biological males 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.640 scored a hat trick, which is three goals. 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.360 Liz, I was getting to that, please continuing up to that, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:47.480 but thanks. 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.080 For stilling said how little you knew about soccer? 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.000 Trying to help you out for a minute there. My 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.280 brain was like, it is a goal. Clearly I don't 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.960 watch that much soccer. I'm sorry to. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:04.520 Europeans are writing now, Liz, socer is its football. 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:10.120 Soccer, soccer get out, and so you have to go, 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.920 how fair is this? Luckily the materialdas did get across 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.320 the line six ' five, but how fair is this 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:23.200 when that many of your goals came from the biological 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.920 men on the Zambian team. And when we're talking about 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.120 boxing as well, we're talking about a very real threat 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.760 to women's well being in the ring. What woman, even 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:36.680 if she is the best of the best, stands a 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:43.039 chance against a male opponent. Boxing great Jeff Fennick has 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.560 called this out is called the IOC utterly disgraceful. Direct 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.040 quote from him is what has this world come to? Listen? 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.800 I'm all for women's boxing, but do people understand the 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.800 damage that can be done if men fight women. Put 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.040 Mike Tyson in the ring with a female heavyweight and 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:06.279 she will end up not just concussed, but with brain damage. 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:08.760 Can you believe that? Here we are in a society 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.480 where male violence against women has never been more of 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:16.520 a talking point. DV has never been more of a target, 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:20.200 or the government funding that goes into combating this, etc. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.320 And we've just made a spectator sport. Basically, if we've 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.040 got when we talk about the Olympics, we are talking 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:31.400 about the upper echelons of any sport. We are talking 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:36.080 about the international stage. And these guys have folded. They've said, look, 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.160 as long as it's what it says on your passport, 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:42.360 then that's what you are. Meanwhile, we've got Queensland whose 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.679 laws have just come into effect. Over the last month, 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:49.560 over two hundred people have changed their biological sex on 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.600 their birth certificates, etc. Is this where we're going now? 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.760 If you can just get it on paper, the rest 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:01.280 of the world is expected to say, Okay, then that's 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.000 what you are, even when we know it's creating an 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.000 impossibly unlevel plane. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.280 Well, this is the sort of weird place that feminism 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.400 centered up in, right, like the first wave was, we 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.160 don't need men. Then the second wave was we are 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.680 the same as men, we're equal to men, and then 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.480 the third wave seems to have turned out as men 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:22.800 come and be women with the rest of us right, Like, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:29.040 not bizarre, it's utterly bizarre that it's turned from a 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:32.439 movement that was sort of anti men in many ways 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.280 that is now openly inviting men to come into their spaces, 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.000 come into their sports, come into their bathrooms and their 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.560 toilets and whatever, and say, well, as long as you 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:45.040 say you're a woman, then that's fine. And as I 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.559 pointed out last night, the research into boxing in particular 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.520 has shown that someone who has gone through male puberty 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:58.640 has punching power one hundred and sixty three times sor 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.719 one hundred and sixty three times dred and sixty three 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:05.720 percent slightly different more powerful than that of someone who's 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:08.839 gone through female puberty. We're not just talking about, oh, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:11.400 you know, we're playing golf and perhaps a bloke can 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.760 punted another twenty yards down the road. We're talking about 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.319 serious punching power there. So you put them, as Jeffinik 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.960 points out, put a biological man in the ring with 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.520 a biological woman. What do you think is going to happen. 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:25.880 They know what's going to happen, and that is why 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.440 it is just completely unforgivable. They know, they know what 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.880 the outcome is going to be. They have sanctioned this, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:36.080 and I don't know what's going to happen in the ring, 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:37.280 but it's on their heads. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:39.560 The problem, as we talked about last night, is they 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.000 can't back away from this because as soon as you 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.760 start saying there are certain sports in which transgendered women 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.240 cannot compete, then now you're making distinctions which their ideology 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.680 does not allow them to make. Trans women are women, 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.320 trans women are women. Repeat it verbatim as if it 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.760 makes sense. Once you've adopted that mentality, that there's no 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:00.679 shade of gray and. 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.040 There's no room for nuance. But I watched some of. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.480 The footage of that fight between Iman Khaliff and one 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.920 of the women that this person was fighting against, and 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.720 it was pretty brutal. Khaliff was getting in some big 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.040 hits and won it very easily, and I was wincing 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:19.280 as I. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.040 Was, well, yeah, yeah, I know. Look, I have to say, 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.320 though my passport, much along the lines of your five 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:27.920 hundred dollar notes, says I'm the Prime Minister of Australia, 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.400 and that's that I'm taking over the joint now now. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:32.760 And if I were the Prime Minister of Australia, there's 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.960 one bloke I'd be having a word with and saying, look, 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:37.280 do you know what you're talking about here? And that's 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.120 the new vice chancellor of the Western Sydney University. Now. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.480 He's only ascended to the role in the last week 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:45.720 or so and he's made it his first order of 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:51.680 business to complain about the cost of degrees, particularly arts degrees. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.760 He says, something that really burns at me is the 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.880 fact that we're about to have fifty thousand dollars degrees 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:01.240 for art students. Arts to degrees are often the degree 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.840 of choice for low socioeconomic status students, for Indigenous people 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.280 and for women. They are rightfully fearful of having a 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.480 debt until death because they are unable to ever properly 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:16.319 repay it. George Williams is his name. Now. There was 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:19.040 a change that was made by the Morrison government whereby 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.240 they moved the funding that is given to certain university 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.920 degrees to send it the things they thought people should 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.400 be studying, i e. Nursing. They now get a lot 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:33.240 more government funding than say, arts degrees, which means you, 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:35.680 as the student, if you go and study an arts degree, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.200 have to pick up more of the tab to that, 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:41.480 I say, fair enough. But I also say to mister Williams, 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:45.040 if you're worried about the cost of a degree, now 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.440 look the strange idea. But you're the vice chancellor, you're 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:53.000 the boss of the university. Don't you have some say 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.959 in the cost of that degree? Could you not find 0:11:56.960 --> 0:12:01.360 efficiencies somewhere so that that degree was cheaper? Of course, 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:04.400 you're not going to do that because you want the money. 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:07.160 What you're really saying is it's not about the cost 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.040 of the degree. It's about the debt that the student 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.240 is incurring. And you would prefer more people to come 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.040 and study at your university, but you don't want them 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:17.960 to have to pay for it. So who's going to 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.959 pay for it? I am you at home are Because 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:24.800 what he's actually asking for is more government subsidy for 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.200 the degree, not for the cost of the degree to 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:30.560 go down. Why can't the universities knock their heads together 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:33.960 and reduce the cost of the degree without going cap 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.959 in hand of the government begging them to hand over 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:36.520 more money. 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.000 You've got the government subsidy, you've got the fee component. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.800 They want more government subsidy when they could just reduce 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:44.520 the fee component. Correct, And the vice chancellor, and God 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:47.480 bless him, good luck to him. But last year at 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.439 that university, the vice chancellor's wage was just a touch 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:55.720 over a million dollars. To be saying all these poor students, 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.160 I mean, they've got to pay fifty grand for an 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.559 arts degree. Who can help them when the vice chancellor 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:02.040 is sitting on a million. And I'm not saying he 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:06.240 doesn't deserve it. I'm just saying the contrast is quite stuck. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.800 Indeed, and I had to laugh at his quote because 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:14.040 by saying that an arts degree isn't worth fifty grandy, 0:13:14.200 --> 0:13:19.560 you've just basically embitted. These things are bloody useless. Let's 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.880 not forget. We have one of the fairest systems in 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.560 the world when it comes to help debt. When it 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:29.520 comes to he's debt, and the students only start repaying 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:33.480 that debt once they have reached the threshold, once they 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.680 are earning enough. Then the government says, okay, time to 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:42.040 pay up, and they take it incrementally each year and 0:13:42.200 --> 0:13:46.080 hopefully over those years you start earning more. So to 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:50.240 say that someone's degree is going to be so useless 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.080 to them and fetch them so little money you know 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.680 in the future career that fifty grands, say, over the 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.720 course of seven years, is going to be too much 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.240 for them to be able to carve out. You've just 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.439 admitted these degrees are useless. You are not setting your 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.200 students up for careers or any kind of job in 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.640 which they can earn enough to pay the rent, pay food, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:16.640 have some sort of quality of life and pay off 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.280 the degree that got them to where wherever they are 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:22.760 at the time. And let's not forget these are the 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.800 same unis who, firstly where their biggest funds are already 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.440 by virtue of the government, we the taxpayer, are already 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:35.720 fitting the bill for our universities like nothing else. That's 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.560 their main source of funding, the government i e. Us 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:43.080 the taxpayer. And how do they repay us? How do 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.840 they repay us? We have seven hundred and thirty thousand 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:51.440 university students in this country as I speak, who are 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:56.600 all internationals, and the UNIS will give them placements over 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.440 Australian students who have just as good a grades, but 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:05.280 the internationals pay up front and almost four times as much. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.360 So the universities go stuff you, ouzzi students. Your grades 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.120 are just as good, but your money's not. We're going 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.080 to give these guys the placements while we're the taxpayer 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:18.920 fund these same universities that dumb their noses at Ozzie's 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:23.360 and then want to pretend, oh, we care so much government, 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.640 can you give us some more because these useless degrees 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.640 you know that we keep giving to everyone, they're not 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.400 going to be able to repay fifty grand I mean, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:34.119 it's it's utterly nonsense. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.600 And they so want the money from these international students. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:38.880 By the way, I mean you said seven hundred thousand. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.560 Or more, seven hundred and thirty thousand. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.080 Yeah, one in thirty people in this country is an 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.160 international student. It's quite incredible, it is orally do they 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.680 want these international students. They want them and their money 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.360 so bad they're dishing out degrees though most of these 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.680 students can barely speak a word of English and have 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.760 hardly understood their lectures, according to whistleblowers who've spoken to 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.960 the Guardian. Now a number of anonymous lecturers and students 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:04.200 have spoken of their. 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.000 Experiences have listened to this. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.840 This is from an arts subject tutor who told the 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:15.240 Media organization about international students. Most can't speak, write, or 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:20.200 understand basic English. They use translators or text capture to 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:24.760 translate the lectures and tutorials, translation aids to read the literature, 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.400 and chat GPT to generate ideas. Goes on to say 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.440 it's mind blowing that you can walk away with a 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.640 master's degree in a variety of subjects without being able 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:39.000 to understand a sentence. Now, it went on to talk 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:43.000 about a former lecturer at Flinders University who reckon that 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:47.520 fifty percent of students in his tutorials had quote obvious 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.160 language difficulties. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.720 He said he frequently failed. 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.040 International students because there were high suspicions they had used 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:59.239 AI to write their assignments. But then when those international 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.720 students appear yield, they were invariably passed. Now, I should 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:07.320 point out Flinda's University denied those claims, but it just 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.919 goes to the point that Liz was saying. Universities are 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.199 so hungry for money, and there were numerous people that 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.880 gave their account of what's happening in our Sandstone universities 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.200 that you've got international students who can barely speak English, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.240 clearly aren't understanding what's being said in lectures, and yet 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:24.800 are getting master's degree. 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.639 And that's the biggest problem with Australian universities now is 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.640 that they have simply turned into cash cars. And I've 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.439 been saying it for years and I still maintained the 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.040 worst thing that ever happened to the tertiary education system 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:40.159 in this country was when the Gillard government uncapped enrollments, 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:42.919 because it opened the floodgates for every man and his 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.600 dog to go to university, including children, or some of 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:48.720 them were children, but some of them are over eighteen 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.760 as well, but kids who really shouldn't be there. They 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:54.840 should be doing apprenticeships or other jobs because they simply 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.880 don't have the academic aptitude. But they are forced through 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.320 the sausage machine at school to believe that they must 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.200 go to university because if they don't go to university, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.879 they are somehow subhuman and they're not as good as 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.600 the rest of their classmates, so that you've got to 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.480 do that. So they go off and get a degree 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.879 that's not of any use to them whatsoever. And they 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:15.919 come out the other side and they can't get a 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.600 job because they're not terribly interested in what they study 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.879 or and I think the number is something like half 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:26.280 of students who enrolled don't actually end up finishing their degree. 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.919 But the university doesn't mind that as long as they 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.240 can make it through a year, because once they've made 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.400 it through a year, the university gets the government funding. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.520 That's all the university cares about. If we keep them 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:41.240 enrolled long enough for us to get the money out 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:44.280 of the government, then it's all hunky dory. That is 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:47.399 what has happened to the tertiary education system. Instead of 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:50.440 it being a place of academic excellence, that is, training 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.000 people to go out and be the next generation of 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.920 workers and thinkers, etc. They are just completely money hungry. 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.040 And without the federal government stepping in and intervening and 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:04.119 saying we've got to get back to basics here, universities 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.400 are not there to generate cash. They're there for the 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:10.960 betterment of the country. And by the way, we the 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.119 government pulled the purse strings, so you're going to do 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.680 what we damn will tell you. That's what they need 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:22.200 to be told. And I'll even suggest bold idea that 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:27.320 we go back to pre Whitlam University situation, which was 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:31.480 and everyone credits Whitlam with having given everyone free university, 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.639 which is true to some degree. But before Whitlam, under Mensis, 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:41.960 you had Commonwealth scholarships which were essentially free university by 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.720 any other name, except they were just given to people 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:48.200 who had academic aptitude, whereas Whitlam just said, well all 0:19:48.280 --> 0:19:50.560 comers can have it. Why don't we go back to 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:56.240 Commonwealth scholarships and encourage people who have genuine academic aptitude 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.200 to get into university and then say, all you other 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:01.680 people who don't need to be here because you're studying 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:04.480 arts degrees and whatever else that's of no use to society. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.719 Bagger off and go and get a job I can. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:07.600 We'd be much better off. 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:10.919 Take up a trade. You will be far more useful 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:15.679 to society. And hey, no hextet whatsoever. Let's go to 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.400 South Australia now, where a new campaign has launched. It's 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:24.840 called your reference Ain't Relevant. This campaign seeks to ensure 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:30.560 legislative change. That change would mean that people who are 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:35.080 going to court accused of child sex abuse will not 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.160 be able to use character references. 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:38.360 Now. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:42.120 This campaign launched in New South Wales just last year 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.159 and there's now a review underway, so it's already gotten 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:51.720 Some Traction Act also has a review underway into the 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.720 same now they're targeting in South Australia. This campaign is 0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.720 headed up by Harrison James, who himself is a survivor 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.080 of child's abuse. Here's a good quote from him. He says, 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.439 for me, this work, this is my justice, This is 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:09.679 my form of justice. This is me regaining what I 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.640 lost for all those years and turning that pain into 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:16.000 a genuine purpose. The thing that keeps me going is 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.239 the thought that survivors will benefit from our campaign, and 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.280 survivors will gain a sense of faith when they pursue 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:25.600 the justice system as well. We all know that these 0:21:25.720 --> 0:21:31.000 cases are notoriously hard to prosecute, and something that this 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:35.760 campaign raises is when someone has had the bravery that 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.360 it takes to pursue a case like this and go 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:41.960 to court, do they really have to sit through character 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:48.080 references talking about what a wonderful person their alleged perpetrator is. 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:51.520 We all know that a great many evil people are 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.400 actually quite charming. It's not hard for them to have 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.240