WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 9 June 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:00.360 Lately. 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:04.680 Welcome to the Late Debate. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:08.360 Well, it's great to have your company on the Late 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:11.840 Debate James Macpherson with Caleb Bond and Freyer Leitch coming 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.360 up tonight. Why do people as they get older start 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:17.160 making noises every time they move? 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:19.319 Don't look at me as if I'm the one to 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:20.320 answer it, Freyer. 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.639 But that question was asked of Adoptor's Advice column in 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:26.880 his paper at the weekend. We'll tell you what they 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.600 said a little later. Plus when we look at what's 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.760 making news tomorrow, the government's green dreams in tatters as 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:38.840 the price of green hydrogen set to explode metaphorically, of course, 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:42.839 and calls for Aboriginal Australians facing court to have their 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:48.160 cases dealt with by a female judge to ensure cultural safety. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.879 Will get to all of that a little later, but 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.480 let's start with former Prime Minister Scott Morrison. 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:55.920 Here's a question, does he deserve to be. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:01:00.240 Named in the King's Birthday honors list as he was today? 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.240 Living aside the question about whether or not politicians should 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:07.280 be recipients at all, there is the question of Morrison's 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:11.280 leadership during the COVID nineteen pandemic, which was given as 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.560 a prime reason for him being made a Companion of 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:17.480 the Order of Australia. Today, I've got to be honest, 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.480 I don't see why he would be honored for that. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.640 I'll give him this, it was a very difficult time 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.080 in our history, unprecedented even I'll also give him this. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.000 I think he did a much better job than Bill 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.160 Shorten or god forbid, Anthony Albaneze would have done had 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.240 they been in charge at the time. But I'm just 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.520 finding it hard to get my head around, Caleb and Freyer, 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:41.720 how you could be Prime Minister of this nation at 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:45.280 a time when human rights were trashed right across the 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:46.880 country and get. 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:50.960 Rewarded for it. It is strange. We should note, of course, 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:53.440 that a lot of the things that were done during 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.640 COVID were done by the States. 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.760 But I want to come back to now, will the FED. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.920 Set up this national idea right? And the idea was 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.200 everyone would get in a room and they would all 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:06.120 come up with one idea and then they would all 0:02:06.160 --> 0:02:08.080 walk out of the room as a united group and 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:10.760 do the same thing that very clearly didn't. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.040 Happen, which was a failure of leadership. And this is 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:14.280 convened by Morrison. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:16.600 This is what I'm coming to. If you're the chairman 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:19.840 of the board and the chairman of the board fails 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:23.120 to get his members in line, then he's failed on 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.639 that count, and that Morrison certainly failed on that count. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.760 I'll give him credit for a number of things. Certainly 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:30.360 been one of the first people in the world to 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.240 take up the fight to China on the origins of COVID, 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.400 and he absolutely deserves applause for that and has never 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:40.120 received as much as he deserved. And of course we 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.000 were punished as a country for him doing the right thing. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.359 But you know, why do you deserve to get an 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:50.560 ac for doing your job right? I mean the Order 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:53.480 of Australia should be about people who have gone above 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.840 and beyond their calling to do great things for the 0:02:56.880 --> 0:03:00.400 country and the community. If you're the Prime Minister and 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.440 you've led the country through a time of crisis, I 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:06.160 mean that's what you were employed to do. You weren't 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.360 a volunteer. You didn't put yourself on the line in 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.079 a situation that you didn't need to be in. Who 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.760 haven't dedicated your life to doing things in your spare time. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.480 You were being compensated for doing that work. Am I 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.120 that upset about it? No, because every other prime minister's 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:23.799 had one as well as who is just another one 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.720 in the long line, except for Paul Keating who refused one. 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.120 But really, why do you deserve to get one for 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:30.840 doing your job? You don't need a pat on the 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:32.800 back to be told you did a good job as 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:35.760 prime minister. The record can show whether or not you 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:38.240 did a good job as prime minister, and I suppose 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.720 in the end the record will show that Morrison's government 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:41.280 was turfed. 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.320 But I think the point as well, though, is that 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.520 anyone who voluntarily takes up the role of Prime minister, 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:53.080 who puts themselves into the public eye, who dedicates their 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.360 life to public service, who puts their family at risk, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.600 who works tirelessly for the nation, should be honored. Whether 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.960 you agree with the policies of certain prime ministers or not, 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.800 I would say that I still do think the majority 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:11.760 of our leaders hopefully do it out of public service 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.480 and not out of personal gain, and that in and 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.240 of itself should be honored. 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.159 Prime ministers work harder than a lot of logic. 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:22.000 Though, wouldn't you just give an Order of Australia to 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:23.200 every single Prime minister. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.479 Well, they basically do too. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.080 Actually, I mean that's a dumb idea, right what everyone? 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.799 I mean everyone deserves one because they've done some great 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:34.040 work for the country, don't they. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:35.680 Want every nurse doctor? 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:38.960 And surely the honor of the job is to have 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.159 been prime minister at all. 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.040 I agree the honor is to be prime minister. But 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.039 it is also true that our prime ministers do work 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:50.200 exceptionally hard, do put themselves in the public eye, do 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:51.480 compromise their family. 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:52.920 Think of someone like Peter Dutton. 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.279 He has had twenty four to seven police guard federal 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:58.120 Police Guard. 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.000 On him since the mid twenty ten. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.719 His children have not known a life without being under 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.599 constant surveillance. He can't go to a restaurant or a 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.359 cafe or the grocery store, probably even now. And so 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.760 I do think that politicians and certainly the Prime minister, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.520 put themselves in a unique position of leadership that we 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.440 should honor. And often it's easy to disparage them and go, 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.280 oh they did this wrong and that wrong, but ultimately 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:24.560 they were just seeing. 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.120 Such So what about Scott Morrison, do you reckon he 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.240 deserves this specifically? I mean they named his leadership during 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.279 the COVID pandemic as a key reason that he should 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:33.880 be held up as a great Australian. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:34.880 You're going to go with. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.280 That, well, I think that a lot of the worst 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.120 measures were done by the state premiers. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:41.960 And interestingly, in an interview. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.200 Scott Morrison gave to The Australian upon the announcement of 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:49.120 his recognition, he actually said that he didn't support the 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:53.039 universal vaccine mandates, he didn't support the school closures. So 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.520 could he have been more vocal at the time, yes, 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:57.760 but I know for a fact that behind the scenes 0:05:57.760 --> 0:06:00.599 and internally he was not happy with that decisions of 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.400 the states. But then also the other factor that was 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.240 considered was also his leadership in Orcus and our alliance 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:09.640 with the United States and the UK, so there were 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.400 other things that were considered as well. But really I 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.599 think we just honor every prime minister with this, and 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.400 so they were probably just picking out the most notable 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.839 elements of his prime ministership and using that as the expt. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:21.920 I just will never get over the fact that at 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.279 the start of the pandemic, the government led by Scott 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.640 Morrison had a pandemic plan in the bottom draw put 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.760 together by Tony Abbott as Health Minister, and that was 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:34.760 discarded and we turned the country into a satellite effectively 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:38.200 of communist China with lockdowns. And you're right, it was 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.839 labor premiers and they played a very political game and 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.600 they loved power, but it was power ceded to them 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.240 by Scott Morrison when he called them all in and 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.000 he believed that he could corral them and lead them 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.040 in the same direction. Failed abysmally at that. And I'm 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.000 not knocking Scott Morrison. It was a difficult time, but 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.960 I don't see how you should be rewarded when Australians 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.719 underwent such torturous human rights abuses and he was the 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:03.240 prime minister. 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:04.200 Job. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:07.960 I would warn against revisionism of Morrison's time as Prime 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:11.800 minister as well, because he did at many points support 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:17.280 publicly lockdowns, including in Western Australia where they remained lockdown 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.760 well after the rest of the country, and Morrison still 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.640 backed in Western Australia doing that, So he certainly supported 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:24.880 that element. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.280 And he went very close to supporting vaccine mandates as well, 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:27.960 but you. 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.080 Know, nearly didn't. So he now says that's that's the 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:32.840 state's fault. But you know. Look, if Daniel Andrews can 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:37.360 can get a gong for his leadership in public health, 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.280 that's what happened last year, then I suppose. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.200 If you're going to use that as the media. 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.800 Is the least of ours. While we're talking about federal politics, 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:51.880 we know not just the politicians, but the bureaucracy. One 0:07:51.920 --> 0:08:08.000 of the things they excel in is spending your money, 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.960 and today's installment of money being in the rich man's world. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.280 It's the fact that there is at least one and 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.200 a half million dollars of furniture for Parliament House currently 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.800 being kept in storage. We don't entirely know why it 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:28.120 is all sitting in storage, but according to the Department, 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.240 there is one hundred sorry one and a half million 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:33.840 dollars worth sitting in storage, including forty nine hundred and 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:38.000 twenty in twenty one TV cabinets, forty thousand, one hundred 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.679 and fifty two dollars of fourteen cocktail and TV cabinets, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.800 thirty five thousand, five hundred and eighty eight dollars of 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:48.920 executive desks eleven of them. The Department also admitted that 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.360 after spending twenty three thousand, four hundred and sixty three 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.120 dollars and sixty four cents on planning and design for 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.640 a six stand desk for parliamentarians and eleven eight hundred 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.920 and ninety five dollars and two cents on constructing It 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.320 had deemed it not feasible to retrofit existing desks or 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.760 sit stand capability, and it was an ongoing project. They 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:12.120 have spent more than nearly four million dollars on furniture 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:15.679 in the last decade alone, and now one and a 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.319 half million dollars of it is sitting in two warehouses 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.480 somewhere off site. Now, you know, I understand every now 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.360 and again you might update your furniture, but I am 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:31.679 a prolific user of Facebook, Marketplace and auction houses. So 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.880 I will give a little tip to the bureaucrats at 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:37.840 Parliament House. Just put it all on a truck, send 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.720 it down to Lawsons where I go every Thursday, and 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:43.120 just sell it at auction. What the hell are we 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.600 doing with one and a half million dollars of furniture 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:47.960 unused in warehouses? 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.640 I had to last at that, you know, thousands of 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:52.040 dollars on a what do they call it? 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.440 A sit stand desk? 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.960 Some wag in the Australian Comments section wrote, why would 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.720 any of our politicians need a six stand desk Parliament? 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.080 And our politicians never stand for anything, But when a 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.240 public servant believes they deserve a twenty thousand dollar desk, 0:10:07.920 --> 0:10:10.239 that's when you know you've got a culture of entitlement 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:13.680 in Canberra. And we all believe Parliament House should look good. 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.600 You know, it shouldn't be like, you know, furniture from 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:19.480 Ikea that's delivered in a flat pack and put together. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.880 It's our national teaching a thing or two actually. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.679 Indeed, but it's our national government place of meeting. 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:27.040 It should look good. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.679 I don't begrudge them spending money on furniture, but to 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:34.880 have one half million dollars worth sitting in storage somewhere like, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.080 sell it to Caleb, he'll buy it, he's got the money. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.520 Is it any good or not? Still? No? 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.680 I loved the twenty thousand dollars desk that was custom 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.600 made for a senior bureau. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:47.880 Just for it to be put into storage. 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.199 But then after public outcry because this all came out 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:54.280 in senate estimates earlier this year, they apparently have now 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.440 taken it out of storage and it's now being used again, 0:10:57.520 --> 0:11:00.400 so probably after this story, they're now going to do 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.439 a clearance of all their storage units. But not only 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:06.480 do you have the wasted value one point five million 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.520 dollars of furniture sitting there, you're also paying for it 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:13.679 to sit in storage. It's just a waste of money 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:16.240 no matter where you look. So yeah, flog it on 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.360 Facebook market places. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.959 You've got storage. I presume it's all insured. There was 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.040 also a sixty thousand dollars lounge. 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.480 Wow, that's in storage. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.079 I'll have that kind of lounges. Sixty thousand dollars. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:28.280 All the lounge you don't need because it's sitting in stall. 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.079 Yeah, that's very impressive. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.439 Look our our good friend, the Swedish doom Goblin, as 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.559 she's been called here on Sky News, has been detained 0:11:37.800 --> 0:11:42.520 by Israeli defense forces off the coast of Gaza. She 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.720 describes it as a kidnapping, which is rather insulting to 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.120 the fifty five hostages still being held in Gaza for 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.520 six hundred. 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.360 And eleven days. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.360 But it really is just quite staggering the victim complex 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.880 that they have. Gazans are literally risky their lives to 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:07.240 protest against Haamas while they're sailing towards Hermas only condemning Israel, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:12.160 making no mention of the hostages, no mention of October seven. 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:17.400 The double standards are honestly, really really shocking. 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:19.480 So what do you guys, reckon? 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:23.640 Will Israel have to show her the October seven footage? 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.439 I've heard that as one of the options. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.480 Another one is organized a tour for her of Israel 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.600 to see the apartheip for herself. Obviously, what she'll realize 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:35.760 is twenty percent of the country is actually Arab Muslim 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:40.440 and living perfectly happily in the supposed apartheid stay. But 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.120 it really is interesting. Here's a little clip of her 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.400 being detained by the Israelis. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:50.439 My name is Giffa Timber and I am from Sweden. 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:53.680 If you see this video, we have been intercepted and 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:58.720 kidnapped in international waters by the Israeli occupational forces or 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:03.560 forces that support israel. I. Urge all my friends, family 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:07.840 and comrades to put pressure on the Swedish government to 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.880 release me and the others as soon as possible. 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.079 So these profound humanitarian activists and all the aid they 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:19.439 were carrying, well, it amounted to less than a truckload 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.480 over one thousand truckloads have entered Gaza in the last 0:13:23.679 --> 0:13:29.400 two weeks, so so much for this wonderful, miraculous humanitarian convoy. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.840 I had to laugh at Greta's video there, saying, if 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:34.200 you were watching this video, it is evidence that I've 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:37.720 been kidnapped by the IDF. She wishes, I mean, better 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.960 to be kidnapped by the IDF than by her mask, 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.440 which was the other option she was facing. And of 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.120 course I think she wanted to be intercepted by the 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.120 IDF because now she gets exactly what she was after. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.120 We had protests outside. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:55.240 Anti Albanesi's office today calling for Greta to be released 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:59.560 by the IDF. We had Turkey calling Israel a terra 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.800 state for kidnapping Greta Tunberg. We had the Iranians accusing 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:08.040 Israel of piracy, and we had the United Nations Reperteur 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:12.480 on Human Rights, Francesca Alberanzi saying that every port in 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:15.480 the Mediterranean should be sending boats. 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.120 With aid and solidarity. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.960 So it's not just about aid, it's also a political 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:24.440 movement that's by her own admission, and that's exactly what 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:27.680 Greta wanted. She never wanted to get to Gaza because 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:28.240 that would. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:28.840 Have been awkward. 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.800 What she wanted was to be intercepted by the IDF 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:33.120 to have her moment. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:34.160 The only thing she. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:38.520 Didn't get was she didn't get aggressive nasty Israeli soldiers, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.160 which would have topped it off instead. And we saw 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.040 some footage earlier where they're sitting in their life jackets 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:47.160 being handed bottles of water and sandwiches by the very 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:49.960 nice members of the IDF, who, as he said, Freyer, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:53.080 will show her a video of the atrocities committed on 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.280 October seven. Penny Wong was on the boat because she 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.359 could do with seeing that video and maybe Anthony Albanizi 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.600 could get on a boat to Gaza, be intercepted by 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.920 the IDF and see that video as well. But then 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.680 she returned safely to her home. As the IDF have said, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.280 kidnapping not a bit she wishes. 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.920 Well, well, let's be clear that the main contents of 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.240 that boat is fossil fuels and hot air. But this 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:19.000 is why they should have just let her sail on 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.200 to Gaza. And as you said, they have given her 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:25.600 exactly what she wanted, which is the photo opportunity to say, oh, 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:28.840 I've been manhandled by the IDF and I've been taken 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:31.520 away and they won't let me go to Gaza. Just 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:34.280 let her go to Gaza. What did Israel have to 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.440 lose in doing so? She'd rock up there if she 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:42.160 meets some Hamas terrorists, that's her problem. I don't particularly care. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.040 By intercepting her, they've now created the perception or the 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.480 image which she will now run with. And that's very 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.480 clear from her video that the IDF has interfered in 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.800 her opportunity to express her free speech and go about 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.840 her free will, and you can't possibly go there. That's 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.160 what she will now run with. So just let her 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.240 make land and do what she wants. It's not our problem. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:06.920 No, But if she'd actually been able to land in Gaza, 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:11.160 her mass would have used her for the ultimate propaganda stunt, 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.600 just as they did when they were releasing the hostages. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.520 It would all be orchestrated, all to make Israel look 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.120 terrible and her masks look wonderful. 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:20.760 What's the propaganda stunt with gret With Greta off it, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:21.720 what we're going to do? 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:24.760 Paraded Greta around, showing her the scenes of the genocide. 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.120 That's exactly what they would have done. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.920 Yeah, but to the peopleship. But who is that for? 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:31.160 Is that for the people in Gaza outside you know. 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.880 For the Western world, for the people outside of Gaza. 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.600 Yeah, but anyone who already agrees with Greater agrees with greater, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.920 and everyone who hates Greta hates greater. So what is 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.840 using her as a propaganda to do to help? 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:45.200 Well, what does any ha mass propaganda tool? Do People 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.160 want an excuse to hate Israel and it gives them 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:47.920 more of an excuse. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.720 Anyone who thinks israled in the wrong thing by preventing 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.760 these people getting to a war zone clearly is biased 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:55.640 in the first place. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:57.800 I mean it's her business. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:16:58.880 That's her business. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.040 Like if she wants to go to a wars, Israel 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.080 getting hit on both sides, right, So they're accused of. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.439 I'm not hitting Israel. I'm not gonna hit Israel. As 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.240 they letter get there, I'm to say, let her go. 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.960 If you're an idiot, if you're dumb enough to get 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.600 on a boat and float yourself into a war zone, 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:13.600 good luck to you. Yeah. 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.560 But I'm saying people say Israel have to keep you know, 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.159 civilians safe in a war zone. So if they were 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:20.359 allowed to if they if they were allowed to allow 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.720 these civilians into a war zone, well then they'd be 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:23.920 accused of not doing that. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.720 Oh, should just be more Darwinian about it. If you 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.680 get yourself in trouble, you get yourself in trouble. I 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:29.120 don't care. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.000 Let's come back to Australia, Sydney in particular. If you 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:34.439 walk around the CBD, there's lots of monuments that you 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:37.200 can check out. There's monuments of Captain Cook. Why would 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.600 there be a monument of Captain Cook. Well, he sailed 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.840 across oceans at a time when that. 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:43.600 Was incredibly perilous. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:48.919 There's statues of Matthew Flinders who are circumnavigated inside or 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:49.440 in shore. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:50.480 Australia. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.399 Was the first person to do it, Robert Burns, the 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.600 famous Scottish poet. But of course the problem with all 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.120 these statues, as is regularly pointed. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.199 Out, is that they are of white men. 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:03.520 Well, you can breathe easy, because that problem is about 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.720 to be addressed with a multimillion dollar five point five 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:10.520 meter high statue about to be erected at Sydney's Circular 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.680 Key of an Aboriginal woman who is also part whale. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.000 Coming up out of the ocean. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:19.440 The statue, as you can see on your screen there 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:24.720 will be called Black Women Rising and the artist Ellison 0:18:24.880 --> 0:18:29.040 Page says the statue will speak to female power in 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.639 a white man's world. 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.080 She told media today this CBD. 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.679 Is peppered with monuments of white men in history, and 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.560 they are done in a way that is colonial. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:39.560 It's all linear. 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.800 They're standing on sandstone plinths and doing something heroic, which 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:45.159 is kind of the point of why you have a 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.440 statue of someone because they did something heroic. She goes 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:51.560 on to say, this bronze bubbles at the base as 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.040 if she's forming out of water, as if she's this 0:18:54.119 --> 0:18:57.520 superhero with her energy and essence living within the Aboriginal 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.320 women of Sydney today. She is everyone, every black woman, 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:03.240 every mother, daughter, sister, auntie. 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:07.240 She is country. I don't know if. 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.240 That inspired either of you. It didn't inspire me. It 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.600 kind of confused me because I sort of thought, if 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.440 you're a bit annoyed that there's too many white men 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:19.919 being honored with statues in Sydney, then by all means 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.439 erect a monument to a black woman in Sydney. But 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:26.280 maybe erect a monument to an actual black woman, not 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.639 a mythical black creature half woman, half whale, and maybe 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.720 honor a black woman or indeed an Indigenous man for 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:38.199 something of note that they did. The artist says that 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.440 white men are honored for heroic deeds, well honor an 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.720 indigenous person for heroic deeds. There's plenty of indigenous people 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.399 you could nominate who've done outstanding things. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:49.960 Why this mythical creature? I don't get it. 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.280