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Speaker 2: Good on you guys, and welcome back. It's begun. What

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Speaker 2: a big week it is State of Origin. Matthew're about

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Speaker 2: to do our preview. We have our review on Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: but I also wanted to look ahead just for a second.

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Speaker 2: We have Tim Zoo up next week letting people know

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Speaker 2: ahead of his big fight, as well as the week

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Speaker 2: after Friend of the Show Thomas Starling. So if you

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Speaker 3: And two good guys coming up.

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Speaker 1: Tom Starling of course playing the best footballer his career

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Speaker 1: in a team that is top of the table. And

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Speaker 3: Win the premiership.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: And the other oneys you said before Tim Zuo against

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Speaker 2: Correct. But let's not focus too far ahead because right

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Speaker 2: now in the present state of Origin, Game three a

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Speaker 2: very much anticipated game, A big decider in Sydney last

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Speaker 2: year it was at Suncourt, Queensland Territory. This year in

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Speaker 1: I only played four Origin games, but yeah, one of

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Speaker 1: Right, and and the other one you're spot on and

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Speaker 2: I was there. I was there, I was I was there.

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Speaker 1: I mean the big story Coup is, it's the corns Lantern.

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Speaker 1: Find myself another one. He's gone with Shibasaki.

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Speaker 2: It is interesting because like somebody, particularly Slatsy, who has

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Speaker 2: Like you don't want too much rearranging going on.

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Speaker 2: By putting Hammer, who was on the wing in game two,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it shocked me too that it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: It's a very much a feel good story coup.

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Speaker 1: There and brains it's a fairytale story given the fact

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Speaker 2: No, No, not so he went. He went, so after

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Speaker 1: she said, stint Japanese rugby in between and every club

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Speaker 2: probably don't was he know that? Yeah? I know he played.

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Speaker 2: I know that Broncos side he first come into, they

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Speaker 1: I think that was a awfully awful time to go

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you saw a lot of blokes kind of fall

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Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say that because Coops, when when

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Speaker 1: it's a feel good story. It could be a fairy tale,

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Speaker 3: An enormous risk. Now if we're going to talk.

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Speaker 1: About in the cold, hard, late light of day, it's

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Speaker 1: definitely do. So they've got Robert Toyer and Shubasaki against

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Speaker 3: Now that those.

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Speaker 1: Billy is taken.

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Speaker 2: Jack actually played with Gat I believe as well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, play with them in Newcastle twenty twenty one. He

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Speaker 4: good fella too, gammutt he Yeah. He struggled a bit

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Speaker 4: What's he like as a blow Oh champion fella great,

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Speaker 4: great blow good honest, real happy bloke. But it was

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure in twenty twenty one he didn't even

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Speaker 4: just they left him. He then from there went to

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Speaker 4: Japanese rugby because he's a Japanese passport.

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Speaker 2: That's right, he has a Japanese passport.

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Speaker 1: Shibasaki is very much he sounds like a Japanese name,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, interesting one of his mum where his dad

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Speaker 1: it must be he might it must be either his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Because isn't there that old story about

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Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman.

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Speaker 1: Hugh Jackman, Gus told me Gus Warland, who's best mate

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Speaker 1: when he goes When Jacko goes to Japan, they absolutely

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Speaker 1: go nuts because you know they love, yeah, the Wolverine,

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Speaker 2: But he also filmed that one of the Wolverines was

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Speaker 2: based out of Japan's Oh was it? Yeah, there was

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Jacko goes there a fair bit and enjoys

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Speaker 3: Remember that. Gus told us the story.

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Speaker 1: There and I was going to say Japanese restaurant in Japan,

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Speaker 1: but of course it is. It was in a restaurant

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Speaker 1: But yeah, he loved the He loves the country so

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, So what's the why why do they take

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Speaker 1: Of all the countries in the world, no one tries,

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Speaker 3: Their culture like Japan. They like to keep it very Japanese.

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Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, and that dates that dates way way

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Speaker 1: back from the from the old days of the Christian

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole different story.

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Speaker 3: Let's not go there now.

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Speaker 1: We're talking state of origin.

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Speaker 2: That is true. We get side sometimes. What about the

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Speaker 2: other big inclusion, Big Josh Papa Lee out of retirement

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Speaker 2: back into the Queensland side. How did you love that?

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Speaker 1: Well, this is a this is another bombshell, but it's

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Speaker 3: It's not a big gamble.

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Speaker 1: This is but well, he's you know, he's dropped mofod

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Speaker 1: Billy's gone no, no, If I my gut feel is

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Speaker 1: I admire him for that Big Papa's He's brought. From

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Speaker 1: my understanding. I was talking to Cooper Krong. Billy has

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Speaker 1: and this was the one. Okay, I'm going to produce

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Speaker 1: they're gonna need something special. They're gonna He's brought him

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Speaker 1: in for a big lift in inspiration, big lift in

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Speaker 1: Alan Langer retire returning that time from England. I mean

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Speaker 1: you know you've got Kirk Caate well in the back

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when you talk to the Canberra boys like obviously

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Speaker 2: Queensland camp probably the last two games. Who the young

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Speaker 2: guy play Stut of Origin and you know, play for

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Speaker 3: Regan Tina.

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Speaker 1: Papa would be one of Tueno's heroes. Yea, so Tino

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Speaker 1: people who don't understand that, it's not just watching admiring

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It makes it and even and that's not even in

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Speaker 2: and you have the assistant there, the intensity the training load.

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Speaker 2: Nothing drops, but the intensity drops two percent of each

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Speaker 2: it's the same with players, like when players go out

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Speaker 2: Papa is going to bring.

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 1: And he went in the camp a few days later

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Speaker 2: And Stefano also arrived, Like did you read so he

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Speaker 2: your your Stefano and there's reports that you might lose

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Speaker 2: your position. They stick and he goes bloody oth, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go into training, I'm going to rip in

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Speaker 2: an awesome game. The first job you have is to

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Speaker 2: Apparently he read the boarding time or the departure time

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Speaker 2: Frank Penisy Frankie Vanisi and go, sorry, Frank, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to make my fly. God, oh mate.

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Speaker 1: That would be didn't send him the flight details?

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Speaker 2: No, probably, but mate, that is the most thaying that

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Speaker 2: you would have been. He'd be wigging out so bad.

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Speaker 3: Be awful.

439
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 1: So coops, this series, you've gone into camp, what's belly

440
00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:01,440
Speaker 1: ach like, what's his demeanor as part of the coaching staff.

441
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 3: Compared to what he's like at Melbourne? Is is like?

442
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 1: Did you find him intense as focused?

443
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 2: You know what? Like even chatted a few of the boys,

444
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 2: like we had Presto and kind of Watson come on

445
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,000
Speaker 2: the potty and they sort of spoke about how he

446
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,200
Speaker 2: doesn't really do much video. He's just sort of sits

447
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 2: back and lets him do the thing. When I was

448
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 2: at the training session in camp in there very much

449
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,760
Speaker 2: the same like I will. He was just sort of

450
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 2: standing over the side, just sort of watching the training

451
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 2: session on his own, and then I was going up

452
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 2: and yarnen to him while he was watching. It was lighthearted,

453
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 2: as I don't think he's putting too much. I don't

454
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,919
Speaker 2: think he's riding like he obviously rides that club emotion.

455
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 2: But the strength of belly, which probably a lot of

456
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,360
Speaker 2: people don't understand, is how observing he is. Like he's

457
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,600
Speaker 2: not technically, he's not going to sit there and go

458
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: this is you know, do this and that with all

459
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 2: the shapes and stuff, but he is so observant of

460
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 2: players and like he sees things that no other coach

461
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 2: or person really noticed. I remember we go in after

462
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 2: a loss and we would sit there in video and go, oh,

463
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: he's going to talk about, you know, us missing this

464
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: tackle that led to this tribe stuff. But he would

465
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: notice things from three sets before or four tackles before,

466
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 2: and go, this is what we did wrong that led

467
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: to and this. You can see the effect of how

468
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 2: this happened two plays later because we weren't able to

469
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,320
Speaker 2: contain that it gave them the advantage which then led

470
00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 2: to this and which is such a powerful because it

471
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: educates players so well and going okay, me missing the

472
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: tackle there. That wasn't actually that that was you know,

473
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,880
Speaker 2: I can try to make that, but I can make

474
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: it easier on ourselves by us doing this throughout the set.

475
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 1: Throw a pebble in a pond, and what happens. The

476
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: reverberations go out, you know, you see the reverberations just

477
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: go from the pebble in the pond. That's what it's

478
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 1: like you're talking about there where you go, a reverberation happens,

479
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, way over there, but it was a result

480
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: of the pebble hitting the pot way back here.

481
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, the yeah, yeah, it's it's he's so so intelligent

482
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: like that. So I've his role kind of sits like that.

483
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: I believe where he sits back and he will just

484
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 2: kind of come in when he sees when he notices

485
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: something that no one else notices that you know, it

486
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 2: might be a slipping complacency, it might be a lack

487
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: of effort. He's really good at pointing out effort stuff

488
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 2: that no one else notices. He will chime in there

489
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 2: and tell He'll tell Loz or you'll tell someone else

490
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: in presence.

491
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, they beat one eye on him the whole time.

492
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: And you're talking about players from other clubs going there.

493
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: Craig Bellamy's on the sideline like they'd be working hard

494
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 1: to impress him.

495
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: You know, it was interesting. Remember when we had Presto

496
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: on it. He was like, you know it Craig Bellamy,

497
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: like and he didn't have too much to say to me.

498
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 2: You just come up and said this thing. But like

499
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: the whole time, I'm going like, shit, that's Craig Bellamy.

500
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 2: You just sometimes forget, like I suppose, like when Eve,

501
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,639
Speaker 2: when you've been coached by a certain player, with a

502
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 2: certain coach or whatever, you don't realize how much presence

503
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,119
Speaker 2: they actually have and how other players at other clubs

504
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: actually still idolize them.

505
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: Okay, talking about like you, we've spoken about Craig Bellamy. Okay,

506
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: Over into the other bunker, you've got the Coueensland blokes

507
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: and Harry Grant's been there for a number series number serious.

508
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: But you spard to Trent Ero a little bit. Trent

509
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,960
Speaker 1: is new and so he's going in as a fresh

510
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: set of eyes. What does he said about some of

511
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 1: the players.

512
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I caught up with them after game the day

513
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: after Game two actually for a coffee over in the

514
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 2: Eastern suburbs.

515
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 3: Mate.

516
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 2: You know what was funny that Trent said, Actually he

517
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 2: goes leading into a good insight into someone like Kurk Kate. Well, right,

518
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: we spoke about how good he played Game two. So

519
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: he was wrestling with kirk Kate. Well, the five minutes

520
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: before they were about to go warm up. You get

521
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 2: a partner in your pummel and you wrestle just to

522
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: warm up your shoulders. He said he has never wrestled

523
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: someone so strong in his life.

524
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

525
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was like, so there's some players ja Ja

526
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,080
Speaker 2: Vrovich is the same Tom Eisenhuth who just retired on

527
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 2: the Dragons and we played together at Melbourne. He was

528
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: possibly the strongest player I've ever come up against.

529
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: So wow, that wiry strength.

530
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 2: It's a group strength that like they can throw, like

531
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 2: they're not strong in the weight room, but when they

532
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 2: get their hands on you, they could suffocate. They're like

533
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 2: a python, they can suffocate up camera.

534
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 3: Smith probably would have been the same.

535
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: That sort of great Cameron Smith. I'll get the funny

536
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: Smith story actually in the second. But yeah, Trent said

537
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 2: when he was wrestling with Kirk Kate, well, he was like,

538
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 2: it was actually getting me angry. How strong he was

539
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: because I felt like it actually, yeah, it made me

540
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: feel like it made me feel weak. I'm a veg

541
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: man and I'm about to run out into a start

542
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: like my first starting role playing State of Origin game two,

543
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: a must win game, and Kirk kate Well's making him

544
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:45,680
Speaker 2: feel weak.

545
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: He's a veag man.

546
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 2: Go over to camera Smith for a second, right, So

547
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: Smithy was like no one ever beat Smithy on knee wrestling,

548
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: so letting people know you dropped your knees and you

549
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 2: kind of fight for to get the other player to

550
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 2: the ground. He was really like strong in that sense,

551
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: like so strong around the hips and core. And the

552
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: only person that I ever saw take it too far

553
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: was Smithy. And in ground wrestling with shandor Or earl

554
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: our Man, Shandor took upon himself. He gets very competitive.

555
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: He didn't want to lose to him. And we were

556
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 2: sitting on the side because forwards would go forwards and

557
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: bigger players would go together first and the backs would

558
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: sit back, and we were genough Shanna going, you're not

559
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: going to beat smith You're not going to beat smith.

560
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: He put him in a reen naked choke hold and

561
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 2: started choking him out. Like to the point where it

562
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: was like, you're not going to choke out the captain

563
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 2: and Cameron smith and Smithy started just like hitting him

564
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: in the head while it was that funny and we're

565
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 2: going shandle let him go. And then like the rest

566
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 2: of us came and Shanda no choking out? What are

567
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: you doing?

568
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 1: And she was like, oh, I thought, like win it

569
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: all Cross, I'm going to choke out the mortal yeahah,

570
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: tell the Green kids.

571
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: It was so funny, you're so strong.

572
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: Let's have a talk about coop.

573
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: Someone talk about it, like, Okay, probably we have a

574
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,199
Speaker 1: blues bias. We try, you know, we our thing is

575
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: that we try to lower our guns as far as

576
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: you know, being pure blues and yeah, whatnot for the

577
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: sake of having a fair and reasonable discussion about the game.

578
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: But we have talked about the things that are just

579
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: really crucial, some of the things that New South Wales

580
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: really need to do to make sure they win this

581
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: sider Yeah well New.

582
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: South Well, I was in the box seat right, like

583
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 2: we've said it since game one. They're display that game

584
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: one and it leads into Queensland's narrative. But our side

585
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: on paper is one of one of the most talented sides.

586
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 2: We saw a game one. We even saw it second

587
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: half in Game two where you're down twenty four points

588
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: but they come back and rally and nearly win, like

589
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: nearly win to the point where you go one of

590
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: the best comebacks in Origin history. We are in the

591
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: box seat if we go out there and play well

592
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: to wrap up this series.

593
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 3: Right.

594
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: It's a classic narrative, it is, and Game two was

595
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the classic result to the classic narrative.

596
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 3: It will be careful. Yeah, we got to be careful coops.

597
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: The first thing we've got to do, and it's a

598
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: no brainer, is discipline. Discipline is imperative for New South Wales.

599
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: Our discipline was terrible. Forget about all this talk about

600
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: ref bias and the penalty count. The reason we get

601
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: we got belt in the penalty count was our discipline

602
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: is so bad. Our ball security, which is part of

603
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: the discipline, was really bad. Hence the reason why we're

604
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: going at half time and we're down by such a large,

605
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: large martial margin. It was self inflicted wounds the second half,

606
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: which really should give them a lot of confidence if

607
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,679
Speaker 1: we can get the discipline right. Is the fact that

608
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: when they finally got their focus in their heads.

609
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: Right.

610
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: You know, we nearly instigated a comeback for the Ages

611
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: to come from behind victory, perilously close from one of

612
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 1: those come back from behind victories. But discipline, discipline, if

613
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: we if we do have one thing we can do

614
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: in this game, if we are disciplined, our discipline is outstanding.

615
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: Not a doubt in the world, we win.

616
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: From a players perspective, right, I want to ask you

617
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: this question because I know my answer, but I want

618
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: to get you when you look at game two and

619
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 2: you look at how much defense and how hard New

620
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: South Wales made it for himself based on the penalty count,

621
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: based on errors, you know, kicking out in the full,

622
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: they do a lot of defense. When you look, do

623
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: you take confidence out of that coming into camp right now?

624
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: If you're the half fact at you sit there and

625
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: you go look at how hard we made this game

626
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: too for ourselves and we nearly won it. We nearly

627
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: came back and wont it given how much fuel we

628
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: burned that first half and how undisciplined we were. How

629
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: much confidence does that give you coming into game three?

630
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: Two things coop as long as you establish the reason

631
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: why you were so ill disciplined. There's always a reason.

632
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: When you pull the sheets back, you sometimes can find

633
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: something like, you know what, boys, if you have a

634
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: look l last training session, we're a little bit or whatever,

635
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: or what about this, or maybe tactically we tried to

636
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: do this too much. Let's pull back here and push

637
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: our energies more there. If you can identify that gives

638
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: you a lot of confidence. Secondly, you've got to be

639
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: very very careful that something so which appears basic coop,

640
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: which really appears basic, and which is blatantly so obvious,

641
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: doesn't lead you down to the road of complacency.

642
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean?

643
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: We're you just go in there and say, hey, boys,

644
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: look at all the errors, look at this and look

645
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: at that. Boys, we just got to fix it up't

646
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: we win? It's not that simple, you know. The old

647
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: discipline is a byproduct sometimes of not quite having your

648
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: heads on, having a little bit of complacency there and

649
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: which New South Wales the game two is a classic.

650
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: It's another example of why there aren't there are very

651
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: few clean sweeps. It's because Queensland were just desperate. There

652
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: was not an out of complacency. You know, they're coming

653
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: off a win, they had to win, and we had

654
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of a buffer. You know, it wasn't

655
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 1: absolutely crucial that we win, which led to just us

656
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: being a little off as far as desperation, and that's

657
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: part of that. That was one of the things that

658
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: led to our ill disciplined. That was a factor. So

659
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: we've just got to be careful. We've got to be

660
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: on top of those things. Yeah, okay, second one, really

661
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: obviously we just need Nathan to be as close as

662
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: he can to be one hundred percent fit, not going

663
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: to be one hundred percent fit, but close enough they

664
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: can actually do control all our.

665
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 3: Aspects of our kicking. That was that was that.

666
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: I think Nathan not not being able to really control

667
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: all those aspects of his kicking and use his array

668
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: of kicks was almost as big a factor as our discipline.

669
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 2: Do you do you think because he's growing obviously he

670
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: didn't kick for Penrith last week when he was goal kicking,

671
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: do you still think that if you were Nathan like

672
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 2: coming that same tactic coming sort of fifty in mainly

673
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: the shorter attacking kicks can take control of But would

674
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: you still want you are you saying you'd want him

675
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: to do the longer.

676
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: I want him doing the longer kicking. I want him.

677
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: I want him.

678
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: If he's able to doing the long kicking, the short kicking, ticking,

679
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: all the kicking, I don't I don't care if he

680
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: doesn't goal kick, yeah right, if he believes that there's

681
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: one sort of area that needs to pull back on

682
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: a little, just preserve, I'd be more than happy to

683
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: let Crichton or Lomax do the goal kicking. And I'll

684
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: be tempted to just push that ahead anyway and just

685
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: say no, Nathan, we can let him do the kicking, mate,

686
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: Because brother, when we get fifty out, I need you

687
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: to put some of those dead ball bombs up, things

688
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: like we have to think about this, remove everyone else

689
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: from the game, Nathan Cleary versus the hammer.

690
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: Think about that.

691
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: And when Nathan is able to execute all his array

692
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: of kicks, it's a nightmare for the fallback.

693
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: You know he can.

694
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: You know, Nathan with his kicking game, he creates tries,

695
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: he gets repeat sets, He allows his team to dominate

696
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 1: territorial and in that and in turn, he builds pressure.

697
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: He puts enormous pressure on their opposition full back. If

698
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: he isn't able to do the majority of our kicking

699
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: or able to kick as well as he could. Then

700
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: you know that brings you know that gives just slither

701
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: of hope isn't the right word, but it can bring

702
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: the hammer into the game, our long kicking game. Nathan

703
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: needs to kick for his long kicking needs to keep great,

704
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: and our key chase.

705
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: Has got to be even better.

706
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: So Nathan, you know that that's that that's a crucial

707
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: factors as crucial as our discipline.

708
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and that's and there's no it's no surprise

709
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 2: how important is when we saw game two, the lack

710
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: of our start came back to Nathan not being able

711
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: to control that kicking game because you saw Drome kick

712
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: the first one out in the.

713
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: Fall yep Okay, next thing we need to do and

714
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: we did it. We didn't do it enough in game two.

715
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: Whenever we did something happen tries or breaks or easy meters.

716
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: We got to get Latrelle and Stephen Crichton clean, fast.

717
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 3: Early ball.

718
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: And and there's a few reasons here. The big one

719
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: is the fact that again sub of Psaki and Toya

720
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: against Latrelle and Stephen Crichton, we don't. What we've got

721
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: to be conscious of here is we don't need to

722
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: do really elaborate sets of six or elaborate attacking players

723
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: and sequences to create a numerical advantage for those outside men.

724
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: You know, you just want to just get to the ball,

725
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: ping ping, get just getting fast early cleaning ball, get

726
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: them one on one with those opposition player. And you know,

727
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: if you think early in the game, if you're sub

728
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: of Psarki and the ball goes you know, to Crichton

729
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: and he goes Bush and he pushes off first, Like,

730
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, what does that do to your conference? You

731
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: want in those early touches. You want Latrell and you

732
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: want Stephen Crichton having time and space opposite those, you know,

733
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: those inexperienced origin players to try to just dent their

734
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: confidence a little bit.

735
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: What it also doesn't look whether it makes Toya or

736
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: ship Asaki's their confidence. But what it does to your

737
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 2: wingers too, Xavier Coats and Valentine Holmes, and you saw

738
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: it a few times in Game two where if you

739
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: don't trust your center inside you, you feel obliged to

740
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 2: come out and jam outside in and try to land

741
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: on them. But the beauty of Crichton and Latrell is

742
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: their quick hands. You know you saw Game one, that

743
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: beautiful quick hands from Latrell because the winger thought I'm

744
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 2: going to come out and land on because he didn't

745
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: trust his center.

746
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 3: Okay, Coop, that's going to bring me to the next point.

747
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: That's a that's a good in for me. Is that

748
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: you got to think about this.

749
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Slater is going to go to Toya and Shibasaki. He's

750
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: going to say, fellas, we've got to get off the

751
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 1: line fast and we've got a pressure and get in

752
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: their face. So if if I'm Laurie, I'm telling Nathan,

753
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: and I'm telling Isaiah and Jerome Leway, I'm saying, boys,

754
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: very how far you take the.

755
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 3: Ball into the defense. If you go bang it.

756
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Like and you do what a ballplayer should do and

757
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: take it all the way into the cold face to

758
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: your target defender, then you're giving the opportunity for sub

759
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: with Psaki and Toya to snuff our center outside in.

760
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: So I'd be encouraging to say, hey, boys, sometimes take

761
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: it all the way the line to try to strip

762
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: shorter numbers, but other times take one step and then

763
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: let it go and you're going to catch them in

764
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: no man's land if that means, because I think at

765
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: times Toyaba p SSARCHI are going to pre empt outside in.

766
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it worked for him Game two. I think

767
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: that was a clear plan. They came in. They wanted

768
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 2: to go and jam Dylan Edwards out the back of

769
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: shape so that he couldn't get early ball to Cryton

770
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 2: on the trail. And then you saw that second half

771
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: they started to create some variations where they played a

772
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: little bit earlier, or they tunnel balled it, which is

773
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 2: firing it straight to the center so that straight through

774
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: so they can't jam on them. So I imagine that they'll

775
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: have a bit of a plan around that jamming.

776
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: Critteral literally got to help their heart as well. Those

777
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: those two blokes are so good. I don't want them

778
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: just in their ten minute corridor. I mean, look at

779
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: Turbo the other night for manly switching having the intelligence

780
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: to look and go nothing really on here. I want

781
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: to switch to the other side. And you think about this,

782
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: you think about Latrelle coming to the other side and

783
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: him and Crichton working in combination. I mean the mismatch

784
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: that creates Yeah, I want to see I want to

785
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: see him do more of that. In fact, I can't

786
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: believe more clubs don't do it, you know, trusting that

787
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of smart centers out there that can

788
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: clearly look up and see the ball coming across and

789
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: nothing's going to be an offe you'll want to switch

790
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: to the long side.

791
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is weird that clubs probably don't do that

792
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: as much anymore. I think they like to have their

793
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 2: structure control. Yeah yeah, but there's times when you can

794
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: have your controlled structure and then giving your smart, creative

795
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: outside backs, whether it's a winger or center, licensed to

796
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,720
Speaker 2: do that. Turbo is good because he has footy instincts

797
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: of a halfback yep, and he can if he knows

798
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: when he's got to stay there, and then he knows

799
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: when the ball's going over that way you can go.

800
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: It opens a whole Pandora's box as well as far

801
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: as the opposition and how they react to it. Because

802
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: back in the day Coup, if I'm a center on

803
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: the left side and I'm marking Malmaninger a malmoninger, all

804
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the ball's coming over here and there's

805
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: a play the ball and he switches. Guess what uster switches, well,

806
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: i'd have to switch as well.

807
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 3: He creates, so.

808
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 1: You're not creating that mismatch. It's not as as vital

809
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: these days as it was in the eighties and seventies,

810
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: simply because our each back roll is so athletic. Yeah,

811
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: but still it would just be interesting to see how

812
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: a defense would.

813
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: React to these days. Now. I've been in games where

814
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 2: there has been centers that used to switch over. Coriots

815
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: used to do it a bit for the Broncos. He'd

816
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 2: switch from the wing and go and float over the

817
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: left side when we played against him. And now the

818
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: plan always is in the modern day game is the

819
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: winger just communicates he's when he sees the winger, all

820
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: the center go. The winger would yell out, and then

821
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: they put They pushed the back roller over to the

822
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: open side. They don't really follow them anymore, just because

823
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: they'd like to keep everyone in there. Certain defensive of course, yeah, yeah.

824
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: But the other one, the other one Cook we've got

825
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 1: to do is we have to be willing queens.

826
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 3: Queens the't going to be right up for physically.

827
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: They're going to kick long into the corners and they're

828
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: kind of try to jam us game two. Unsurprisingly, after

829
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: what we did to them with our yardage and game

830
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: in game one, they push enormous amount of energy, defensive

831
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: energy into stopping plays one, two and three Edwards zak Lomax,

832
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: and we didn't sort of there was once down the

833
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: right side we gave the ball, went one to really

834
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: simple three passes to Stephen Crichton, who took twenty meters.

835
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: We've got to be able to do that.

836
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: They're going to they're going to kick along to us,

837
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: they're going to tighten and they're going to.

838
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: Try to rush.

839
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: If they do that, we don't need to try to

840
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: be fancy. It's just one to three passes. Take the

841
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: easy meters. They're daring you, come on, push the ball

842
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 1: of the edges. Come on, take a risk. We'll lander

843
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: risk if you do. It's simple one, two, three, take

844
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: twenty meters, play the ball, then start going forward.

845
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't think about scoring a try or

846
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: going around a team off it. If you have the

847
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: mentality of I'm just running to get tackled in twenty meters,

848
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: it's pretty safe. It's a pretty should.

849
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: We have a predictions, a couple of there's just another

850
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: thing I want to speak about here, and this is

851
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: this is massive for New South Wales. It's a huge one.

852
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: Is Munster and Tom didn't, but particularly Camera Monster in

853
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: the Camera Monster era, Queensland have been very, very difficult

854
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: to beat when they have a run first past second mentality.

855
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: When Monster runs the ball, things things happen. So it's

856
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: very easy to say, I don't let him run the ball.

857
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: We don't have control of that. What's so important though,

858
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: is for Munster we do not present visual opportunity. Our

859
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: defense is set, you know, or a set as it

860
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: can be sometimes too quick play the ball, but basically,

861
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: don't show in space. You don't have your space is wrong,

862
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: have your space is perfect, and have blokes they're sitting

863
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: there nominating Monster. So when Monster looks up, he doesn't

864
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: recognize visual opportunity. If he wants to run the ball,

865
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,760
Speaker 1: he's going to have to do it through blind faith,

866
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: because the moment he spots that someone looks a little tired. Here,

867
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of space, a little bit disjointed.

868
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 1: They're not coming off their line quick enough, he'll go.

869
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: So prevention is better than the cure. The other one

870
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: is Tom did and Tom didn't, doesn't stop. He just

871
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: goes all the time, and his trademark is showing go.

872
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: They can't be conned into one of his dummies. No

873
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: dummies off dead and the third ones you'll mate, Harry

874
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: grant Is. I've spoken about discipline before having I will

875
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: say this, be willing here and there during the game

876
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: to give a six tackle repeats, set away if it

877
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: means controlling Harry, slowly, play the balls, get your markers set.

878
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: If he regularly gets out of dummy half, we're in trouble.

879
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, particularly inside your own Yeah, you know your own

880
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 2: try line. You're trying to defend it. You saw how

881
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: effective he was in game two when he gets out

882
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: and you know his halves are pushing off him. But

883
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: like you said with did and show and go, not

884
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: presenting those trying to present a straight line, so he

885
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: doesn't have any visual cues where he knows he needs

886
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: to run or when you're out there in the in

887
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: the washing machine, and it is it's a hard discs.

888
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: It's just got to be hard and fast rule. You know,

889
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: even if they've got a little advantage on you, don't

890
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: don't be tempted to try to protect the three on

891
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: two on the outside. No dummies, Yeah, no dummies. Let

892
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: the outside men solve it.

893
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: Who wins math.

894
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 1: New South Wales win and we get our discipline right.

895
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: I think we win a twenty eight eight. I'm going

896
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: to go man of the match Nathan Cleary. So injury

897
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 1: hasn't allowed him to really dominate the series like we

898
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be able to. If he's fit,

899
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: I think this could be the game.

900
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. I had coins in game two,

901
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: but I I feel New south Wales are just too

902
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 2: They're too good a side. I think I think they'll

903
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: have their head screwed on given the first half a

904
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: Game two. I've got New South Wales and I've got

905
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: them twenty two to twelve nice, and I have my

906
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: man of the match. I don't have Nathan Clear. I'm

907
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 2: trying to think who I've got. You know I've got.

908
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm thinking maybe a paying hass again, paying hass games

909
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: Game one and three don't go broke back in pain?

910
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah mate, it's You're not wrong, Isaiah.

911
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 3: You two coup and eye.

912
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: Isaiah has had an outstanding ourgency here.

913
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: He has Jackson.

914
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 3: You thinking Jack, get me Jack.

915
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: I'm going with.

916
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, sorry, I ogon Jerome's going to redeem himself.

917
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: I'm thinking Jerome Lewie, man of the match and first

918
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 4: try scorer, and I think the margin is going to

919
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 4: be about twelve points.

920
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:05,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. Nice, that's that is conceivable. I like it. Nice one,

921
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: enjoy the game.

922
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: Nice one, Daddy,