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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Mark, looking forward to it.

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Speaker 1: And how long you been here in Australia this this trip.

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Speaker 2: About a week. I came into Brisbane initially for their

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Speaker 1: That tells me that in some respects is that given

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Speaker 2: Why is it?

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Speaker 1: It's pretty hard once once you're born a queensdance because

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Speaker 1: What's great about you, Greg is that you know you

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Speaker 2: comfortable situation in the US and everybody's saying, what the

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Speaker 2: hell's going on with the United States. So when I

433
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 2: come back here to Australia, I go, okay, who understands

434
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Speaker 2: exactly what the world is doing. You know, you can.

435
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Speaker 2: You can understand the world from security in the Apec

436
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 2: region and in the position that the little brother has with

437
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: big brother the United States. That's us, us, the little brother.

438
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 2: You understand that. But what is what are the deeper

439
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 2: roots within they go from one government to the next government.

440
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 2: What is that button that they have to carry that

441
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: very few people know about? Right? What are the grandfather

442
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: clauses that are sitting in.

443
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Speaker 1: There irrespective of color it was like red or blue.

444
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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly right. It's that person who's astute enough and

445
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: to understand that delicate balance where you are instead of

446
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: tilting the scale in one direction, for specifically for any

447
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: country in the world, that delicate balance. And so when

448
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: you look a where Australia is positioned and the power

449
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: that Australia really does have not only from natural wealth,

450
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: but the position of our country geographical, geographically massive country,

451
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Speaker 2: small population, but a massive impact. I mean not just

452
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: here on the Earth but above us, right, two satellites,

453
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: satellites exactly right. So when you start looking at that,

454
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: you go, Okay, now where are we sitting and who's

455
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: really got that understanding? The true understanding of Australia's true

456
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 2: real value and how do we maximize that for Australia,

457
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Speaker 2: for Australians. And so I you know, when I read things,

458
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: sometimes scratch my head and say, well, okay, that doesn't

459
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: make any sense to me considering what is going on.

460
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: But again I go, I don't know what the grandfather

461
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,479
Speaker 2: clauses are. I don't know what the relationships are between

462
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: Government A and Government B and why they're doing these

463
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: deals and blah blah blah. So those are the things

464
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: that I really do pay attention to. Why I don't know,

465
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: But well I do know because I'm passionate about my

466
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 2: country right and I want the best for my country,

467
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Speaker 2: whichever way we can possibly do it. And it's about

468
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: what we can all do collectively together to make out

469
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: each and every one of our country and our citizens

470
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Speaker 2: of those countries better and not worse. So that's my philosophy.

471
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: I do it. In golf. I want to do what's

472
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: best for golf. I want to grow the game of golf.

473
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Speaker 2: I want to bring it to the fans in a

474
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Speaker 2: better way, shape or form i've seen it. Those are

475
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: the opportunities. And when I come back here to Australia

476
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 2: and go to the Australia and open yesterday like I did,

477
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: and not to watch golf, but to talk to the

478
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Speaker 2: administration the institutions about how do we grow the game

479
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: bigger and better in this country.

480
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Speaker 1: Will we ever get Australia as a major?

481
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll ever get it as a major,

482
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: but I actually think that again, time is on my side, right,

483
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: Experience and knowledge is on my side. And I was

484
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: there as part of it as a player, and I

485
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: saw the weaknesses back then and the weaknesses still exist

486
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: today to some degree, but it's now the new mindset

487
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 2: with bringing new people in more business like how do

488
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: we grow it? It's no different what's happening with the

489
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 2: PGA Tour right now. They bought in an outsider from

490
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: the NFL, Brian road Lap to restructure the PGA tours

491
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: to some degree, and from what I'm seeing, I don't

492
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: even know the guy, don't even know any of the policies,

493
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: but what I'm seeing is there is a shift taking place.

494
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: That shift is great, a good shift. That's a good shift.

495
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,959
Speaker 2: But this shift only happened because of what lived did.

496
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: It's going to say nothing better than competition.

497
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: Exactly right. And competition is the best thing in the

498
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Speaker 2: world for anybody, any leader of the free world, any

499
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: leader of corporations, Mum and dad who run the household, right,

500
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: competition is one thing. How do we make things better

501
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: for all of us.

502
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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you Kerry Pecker moment because he

503
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: probably this would have happened to your number occasions because

504
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: from observations with Kerry I used to sit there with

505
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: I remember you sat there once with him and Arthur

506
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: Beatson and Jack Gibson, and Kerry had this thing about saying,

507
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: who's the hardest player you ever had to tackle? Who's

508
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: the toughest goal in the field? Like he want to

509
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: ask the best about their experiences. And I know you,

510
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: I imagine your answer is going to be it has to

511
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: be carefully managed. But who's one prime minister that sticks

512
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: out in your mind? In all the years you've seen

513
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: prime ministers, you've been through a lot. Who's one prime minister.

514
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: You would call out? You've already called that Bob Haup.

515
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: But is there a promise you'd call out as a

516
00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: great prime minister in this country?

517
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Head and shoulders about anybody else would be Howard, no

518
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 2: question about it, the way he he's foreign policy, and

519
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: again I was I wasn't seventy year old guy back

520
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: and then so I'm learning and observing, but without doubt

521
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: everything that I saw about him and the way he

522
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: carried himself and conducted himself representing Australia for Australia into

523
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: the future for Australia, I thought he was by far

524
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 2: the best. And that's not a liberal versus everything as

525
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: as a person, Yeah, exactly. Now I can say that,

526
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: you know, within the United States, right, because I've been

527
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: lucky again because I could play golf. I was invited

528
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: to play golf with the presidents. And you know, from

529
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: forty one to the current day president, right, the personalities

530
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: and the traits of the individuals. You know, they all

531
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: put their pants on the same way as we do

532
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: every frigging morning. They carry a lot more stress and burden,

533
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: but that's the job they wanted, right, So they had

534
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: to accept that no different than you and I, and

535
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: the burden and stress and responsibility and accountability lays with

536
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: each and every one of us. No matter what role

537
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 2: you have in this world, that's what you want to

538
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: take on. So how do you execute on those roles

539
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: and responsibilities and become accountable for your role in your position,

540
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: no matter whether you're number one golf from the world

541
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: or you're the best podcast in Australia and financial advisor. Right,

542
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: you bring you this enormous amount of burden responsibility with you.

543
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 2: What do you choose? You choose? Yeah, And so when

544
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: I look at back at it and you go, okay,

545
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: who in the United States? And each one is different,

546
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: each one is different. So Clinton push Trump, yes, Obama

547
00:30:50,680 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: Obama yep. So the when you spend time with them

548
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 2: and you get to know them just more than a

549
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: cursory round of golf and just the vanilla chit chat.

550
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 2: When you're lucky enough to be invited to a Kenny

551
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: bunkport with forty one, or you're lucky enough to get

552
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: invited and I'm not hobnobbing here, I'm just telling you

553
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: the facts, right, Or when you get invited to the

554
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: White House with Clinton, you know, for the weekend or whatever,

555
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: and you do have that opportunity to walk around with

556
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 2: them in a robe, no pants are being put on,

557
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 2: and you sit back and you you respect them as

558
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: a human being and no allegiance to any political party.

559
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: You accept them because of their responsibilities and accountability of

560
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: every decision they have to make. And there's just a

561
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: simple question. You ask them, what's the biggest mistake you

562
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: ever made? Like I get asked all the time, what

563
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: was the biggest mistake? Where did you fuck up the most?

564
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: Excuse my friends? That's right case?

565
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: What's around my show?

566
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: Okay? And people ask me that all the time? Right?

567
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: Why did you screw up on the eighteenth? Did you choke?

568
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: Did you do this with a bad decision with the

569
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: bad advice? Is it around your inner circle? Are they

570
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: screwed up as your bad All these questions come at you.

571
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: So when you get to know these individuals, same with Hawkey,

572
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: same with CEOs, what's the biggest mistake you ever made?

573
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: And might you be a surprise how blatantly honest they are? Yeah?

574
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: At what point, though, do you think, Greg, you can

575
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: ask that question? So let's say you're with Clinton, he's

576
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: invited the White House and him hanging out, and how

577
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: do you know you're at a point where you can

578
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: ask that question?

579
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: By what're you looking for? By the information they give you? So, look,

580
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: they're never going to give you a state secrets or

581
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: anything like that. But the conversation evolves as two mates

582
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: sitting down right, and you'll just pick up on the

583
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: terminology of phraseology or information and you go, Okay, did

584
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: that door just open wide open or did just crack

585
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: open for me? It's just understanding the timing the individuals.

586
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: And they're all different. Like I said, they're all wonderful

587
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: human beings, and there are a lot of puppets behind

588
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: the screen the scenes telling them what they can or

589
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 2: cannot do. Are different with me, right, I have got

590
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: to be careful and some of the things they even

591
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: say here because the information they have you have is

592
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: not really fully should should be fully exposed to the

593
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: general public.

594
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Otherwise your compromise relationship anyway.

595
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: Exactly, and you don't want to do that. Trust. Trust

596
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: is one of the most trust and respect of the

597
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: two most powerful things that you can have for yourself,

598
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: you know. And I've always prided myself on that, Like

599
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: I mentioned with the Olympics, we've got our emblem right,

600
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: we've sworn the state secrecy. We're not giving up anything,

601
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 2: and people ask us all the time. By keeping that

602
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 2: really tight core of respect and trust within your in

603
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 2: a team or whatever that team is goes a long way.

604
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: And the same with sitting down with whoever you want

605
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,439
Speaker 2: to sit down with. It's the same thing with Hawky. Ah. God,

606
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: I can mean, I don't mind saying sharing this one.

607
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 2: But you know, Hawky called me out just before the

608
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: invasion in Afghanistan. Wow, and he goes, they just want

609
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: to let you know. I was in the Florida and

610
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: he was over here and he said, I just want

611
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: to let you know what's going to happen. Wow. So

612
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: you go, je'ess he didn't have to do that, right,

613
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: But again, that's that respect that you have. And I

614
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: didn't say a.

615
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: Word I was going to say, he would know is

616
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: not going to go past year.

617
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: I never even told my wife, never been told anybody, right,

618
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: I mean, there's stuff I don't even tell my wife today,

619
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: you know that I get told. And I said, look,

620
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: she said, well, what was the conversation about a Look

621
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: at You're better off not knowing about it just in

622
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 2: case something and happens, you know, And huh, Mike, I

623
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: tell you even current day, where I sit today in

624
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: some of the things that I actually would love to

625
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: see happen, and I probably you know, I'm there, but

626
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: I'm not there, you know what I mean. I'll give

627
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: you an example. General public wouldn't have a clue about this,

628
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: and I don't mind sharing it because I think it's

629
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: a great feel good story about a year and a

630
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: half ago. While I actually go back pre pre to

631
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: Obama administration. Obama was trying to open up Cuba to

632
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 2: some degree, and Cuba literally, as Australians or may not know,

633
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: it's like ninety three miles from the coastline of the

634
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: United States, right and there's always been a Cuban missile crisis. Again,

635
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: a little history lesson goo, you know, if.

636
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: You want to learn about it, etcetera.

637
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, all that stuff, all right, So you go back

638
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: in time, you see the anks between the United States

639
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: and Cuba. But at the time when President Obama opened

640
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: it up, I said, Jesus, now there's a chance to

641
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 2: get down there for golf used golf as a trojan horse,

642
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: and I went down there with a friend of mine

643
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: who's a developer. I said, now, let's go down there

644
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: and see what we can do here. So we flew

645
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: down there and we spent a lot of time met

646
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 2: the Cuban government people. We were legally rightful to do it.

647
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: And we came up with this whole new hospitality golf program, hotels, marinas,

648
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 2: everything which was extensive, like twelve or thirteen developments around

649
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: Cuba that we were going to get investment dollars to

650
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: come in to do it. Open it up. Golf as

651
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: a trojan horse, right bomb administration changes Cuba shouts down,

652
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: it is where it is today again. People go research

653
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: it if you want to. But here's the kick it.

654
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: I get a phone call from a friend of mine

655
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: who's a treasure hunter. If you or not thinking about

656
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: a treasure hunter serious, So he hunts old galleons hundreds

657
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: of years old, right. So he's found one in northern

658
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: Bahama Bank. And I know him because he owns an

659
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: island there and I fish off the island and I

660
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: have a house not far from him. So I go

661
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: up to him on my boat and we're sitting there

662
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: well late one night he says, hey, I actually asked

663
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: the question. I said, where, what's the top three places

664
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: in the world for searching for treasure? He said Bahamas

665
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: because of the golf stream and the floor of the

666
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: traffic from South America Cuba, northeastern part of Cuba and

667
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: the Philippines. And I go, whow, that's kind of interesting.

668
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 2: I know everybody in those parts of the world. I said,

669
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: you know, where do you want to go and he said, well,

670
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: I'd love to see if we can get into Cuban.

671
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: I said, okay, again, store the information away, then what

672
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: happens is about it. Four or five months later he

673
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: called me up and he said, Greg, there's a U

674
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: boat submarine there called U one seventy six. It's a

675
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 2: German U boat run by the SS. It was torpehedoed

676
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: by a torpedo plane out of Key West and it's

677
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 2: sunk in the northwest northeastern part of Cuban in about

678
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: three and a half thousand feet of water. And he said,

679
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: I got a pretty good idea it is, and I'd

680
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: love to go down there and film it. So typical Greg, right,

681
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: I said, okay, let me see what I can do.

682
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,720
Speaker 2: So my friend in Hanoi, Vietnam is the Consulate General

683
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: to Vietnam for the US. So I call him up.

684
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: He said, and he's German, he speaks folk for law German.

685
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: I said, hey, look, I got this hair brain idea.

686
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 2: I said, it'll be a wonderful field. Good story for Germany,

687
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: Australia and me, the USA to get together and Cuba

688
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: to get together. And I find the submarine because it's

689
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: the maritime wargrave, typical Greg just leaps off the off

690
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: the deep end, right. They said, okay, no problem. So

691
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: I get in touch with the German government. I write

692
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: a letter to the German government. They give me permission

693
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 2: to go find the submarine. I have it all in writing.

694
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: There's a fascinating story around just by being in the

695
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: position to be able to pick up the phone, right,

696
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: So I go, okay, Germany has given me permission. So

697
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: now I get on a plane. I go down to

698
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 2: Cuba to the German embassy and sit down with them

699
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: and go, okay, look here's the situation. It's a bit,

700
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: you know, dicey, because the expedition company is a US company.

701
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: We're using US equipment like the submersibles to use this,

702
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: and cube we were in America right now like this.

703
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: So I said, look, leave it with me and I'll

704
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: see if I can take it up the chain. Twelve

705
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 2: months go by, crickets, crickets, crickets. I go back down

706
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: to Cuba with my friend from who owns the treasure

707
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: hunting company. And we meet with the Cuban government and

708
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: I said, look, guys, this is what we can do.

709
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: We only want to come down and film this so

710
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: lo and behold mark five weeks ago. They give us

711
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: permission to go do it from now five weeks from now,

712
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: five weeks ago. Yeah.

713
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: Wow.

714
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: So they said, okay, come on down here whenever you

715
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: tell us when you want to come down. And I'm going,

716
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: oh my god. You think about how fast I've got

717
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 2: gotten through all this, and I go now because of

718
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 2: what this delicate balance between the USA and Cuba. But

719
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: it's such a feel good story. So knock on wood,

720
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: I'll going down in a submersible in the early part

721
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: of next year and identifying the submarine with my friend.

722
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: There'll be two subs. We'll go down there, we'll film it,

723
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: won't come up. We're not allowed to touch anything, we're

724
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: allowed to film it and all that stuff. And now

725
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: we come up and we tell the world what a

726
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 2: great story that is. Right, we're putting all the political

727
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 2: divide away, putting all this and you're using a common

728
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: thread of maritime walgrave. And it could be the Nazis

729
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: it could be this and there's going to be some

730
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: angst not all that, right, But at the same time,

731
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: I put my shoes in the family members who have

732
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: never known where their son is. So when you think

733
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: about that type of opportunity, thought process number one, we're

734
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: putting together the business opportunity of doing it. Now you

735
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: got to execute on it. It's a government, government, government, right,

736
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: So it's just incredible to think that we have this

737
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: opportunity of doing that. I'm very proud of it, right

738
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 2: because you know, is that being a disruptor. No, that's

739
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: just being fair to all of humanity to create a

740
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: feel good story for the betterment of what's laying down there.

741
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: So nineteen forty five to twenty twenty five, eighty years

742
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: go by, and then finally, hopefully in eighty one year's time,

743
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: the story will be told there.

744
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: It is happy days potentially closure for some people.

745
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 2: To closure onred percent close. Yeah.

746
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. You know when I was listening

747
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: to you and you were talking about that that story

748
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: is a great story. Is sort of a little bit

749
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: of what you do, is a little bit of the

750
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: way people will play golf. Hey, you have to play golf,

751
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, golf is a great enabler. Like I'm not

752
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: talking about winning tournaments. I'm just saying golf is a game.

753
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: It's a great enabler, and it brings people together. It's

754
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing. There's a little white ball brings so

755
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: many people together for from all walks of life, like

756
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: in your case, as presidents and prime ministers and leaders

757
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: of countries and you know, corporate leaders, et cetera in

758
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: your life, but just generally for any normal punter, it's

759
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: probably he or she can join a group and meet

760
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: people they've never met before. And what you just told

761
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: me then that that in that story is it sounds

762
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 1: like you need a lot of patience to do these things.

763
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: But be patient to play golf. You need to be strategic.

764
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: You need to be strategic to play golf. You're going

765
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: to hit bunkers, as you do in that in that story.

766
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: You're going to hit you know, blockade. Things are going

767
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: to get in your way. Politics, people, whatever views, opinions

768
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: are going to get in your way, but it shouldn't

769
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: stop you from continuing on in your quest. In your

770
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: example of the quest, golf seems to me to have

771
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: enabled Greg Norman being a good. It seems like to me,

772
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: maybe consciously or even subconsciously, you've taken what you've learned

773
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: about playing the game of golf, the highs and lows,

774
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: and you've applied it to your not only your business life,

775
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: because you've been very successful business as well, but just

776
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: your general life.

777
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: Is that fair to say? Consciously? Thousand of you? You

778
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 2: your commitment to yourself. Go back what we talk about

779
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: thirty minute. Your commitment to yourself can only bring the

780
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 2: best out of yourself, right nobody. I mean, I can

781
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: take a horse to water, but you're not going to drink.

782
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: I can take myself into a situation and I can

783
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: assess whether I can hit that shot out of that

784
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: divot over the water to get it to there. I

785
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: can assess that if I have fear within myself of

786
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: pulling that off, fear of failure, to me is my stimulant.

787
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Right.

788
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: So you've got to be able to push yourself to

789
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: the limit of pulling the best and maximum out of yourself.

790
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: And every time you know it's like I keep saying.

791
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 2: I actually said this the other day. I said, if

792
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 2: you climb a ladder to success and you give yourself

793
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: a plateau once you reach that plateau, there's only one

794
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: way to go, and that's not down the other side.

795
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: So you never plateau, no matter what you do in golf,

796
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: in life, in business, family, no matter what you do,

797
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: you keep pushing and pushing and pushing, and you become

798
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: a a role model to some degree, you become an

799
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: inspiration to some degree. But at the end of the day,

800
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: you become true to yourself. And I can wake up

801
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: in the morning every day and think about the things

802
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: I've done in the past without any regrets. I think

803
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: about what the paying it forward can be. Just like

804
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: the Cuban story. You're paying that forward. It's not for

805
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: any other means. There's no money coming out of it.

806
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 2: It's actually a cost, a huge cost, because it's a

807
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: financial cost to do all that. So when you sit

808
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: back and you when you look at and I just

809
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: gave you one example of something that you know that

810
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: is real time happening, you go, I'm true to myself.

811
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: You know I'm doing what I truly believe is right

812
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 2: for me, my company, my country, wherever you want to go.

813
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: So when I wake up in the morning and I

814
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: can look myself in the mirror and ask myself a

815
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 2: serious question. Okay, what did you do wrong? Or where

816
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 2: do you really want to go? Do you really want

817
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: to do that? And if you lie to yourself, you

818
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: know you lie to yourself, so you can go down

819
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: that path constantly. That's why I do it anyway, I

820
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 2: don't know. I can only speak for myself, so I

821
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 2: keep pushing myself to understand is this the right thing

822
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 2: to do? You know, we can transition over to live right.

823
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about it, because you know the saying thing,

824
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: how did you reconcile that?

825
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: Look, I wanted to do Okay, I felt as one

826
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: of the best players in the world at the time.

827
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: We never never achieved the financial place we should have achieved.

828
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: Yeah we mean golfers. We meaning golfers. Yeah, best players

829
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: in the world. And why is that? Because I've been

830
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 2: around enough to see what the institutions have been doing

831
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: to the game of golf. And as a player who

832
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 2: puts bums on seats and people come through the gates,

833
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 2: no different what Rory McElroy did down roll Melbourne. You

834
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 2: deserve the opportunity to maximize your earnings. You deserve to

835
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: create generational wealth, not the institutions. So in my day.

836
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: We didn't know our IP, you know, which if I

837
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 2: had my own IP, you know, would I be a

838
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 2: lot wealthy of what be today? One hundred percent right,

839
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: But we had to sign all those rights away really

840
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: every every January we had to sign a form to

841
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: play on the PGA Tour. You had to give up

842
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: all your rights.

843
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: Which meant they could market you. Yes, yeah, I got

844
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: no residuals, get a percentage of it. No residuals, nothing, nothing.

845
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 3: What we got was the right to play the network

846
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: deal would vast percentage of will go to our prize money. Well,

847
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: the best players, any player, you got out of your

848
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 3: performance is what you got out my performance on the

849
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: golf course, dictator what my endorsement deals with.

850
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: In other words, if you won or got second or third,

851
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: you got more money. But if you didn't, you didn't.

852
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: But let'say everybody went to watch you though, irrespective of

853
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: whether you play well or not. You're saying there's nothing

854
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: in that for you, because you know, there's not a

855
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: lot in that for you because you didn't get in

856
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 1: in the top whatever.

857
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, the performance I put in is my whatever that

858
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: reward came out of that performance, right, And I did

859
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 2: like that. I did because that's what I was doing,

860
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: but I didn't like it to create generation sort of

861
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: bit unfair, very unfair. Yeah, right, So when I started

862
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: going to when I started transitioning into the business world,

863
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: and I created the Shark logo and I shouted created

864
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 2: all that, I went, Okay, this is my only avenue

865
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 2: to go. I still my IP was still over here.

866
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: And this is one of the reasons why I wanted

867
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 2: to do the World Tour in nineteen ninety three. For

868
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: the players to make more money, to have an equity

869
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 2: share in that World Tour, which I offered them Live

870
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: was the same thing. The reason why I went to

871
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 2: Live was to give the players an opportunity to create

872
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: generational wealth. Just look at Bryson d Chambeau today. If

873
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: he didn't come to Live, he wouldn't have his IP

874
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: to do what he's doing on YouTube. Massive, massive account

875
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: for him. I'm so happy for Bryson d Chambeau. But

876
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 2: that only happened because we gave him that, right, Yes,

877
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: we paid him at retain. Yes he's a captain of

878
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 2: his team. Yes yes, yes he's got to play an

879
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: next amount of tournaments. We get paid for that. Okay,

880
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: but when he's not doing a live event and he's

881
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 2: in blue jeans and a T shirt, Happy days, you

882
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: go make your money as much as you want to make.

883
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 2: It wasn't that way when I was a member of

884
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour on he could get three exemptions to

885
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: travel around the world to supplement my income, well three three,

886
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 2: and I had to get permission from the PGA Tour

887
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 2: to do that. So and back in the day, Seve

888
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: ballisteros and I Seve from Europe Spain right, and myself

889
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: in Australia. I always wanted to come home to promote

890
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: Australian golf, but I had to get a release from

891
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour. So Seve was the instigator of this.

892
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 2: He created the home exemption rule where if you're an

893
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: international player, you could actually go home or promote your

894
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 2: tour without having to apply for a release. Simple but

895
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: so stupid and restrictive for the institutions to do that

896
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 2: to us. But they wanted the denali, right, it's the

897
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 2: they wanted the money, so I wanted to break that.

898
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: That's pretty sort of rebellious. Is it an Australian trait?

899
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: Do you reckon me doing that? Yeah? I'm a disruptor.

900
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: I see I see weaknesses.

901
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,760
Speaker 1: And is it weakness on fairness? Is it weakness?

902
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: Because of it was unfairness. It was truly was unfair

903
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: to the players, not just Greg Norman in the day,

904
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: to everybody. You think, what if Jack Nicholas had his

905
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: own IP when he first came out there, and Arnold Palmer,

906
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: they'd be billionaires, billionaires And yet here today the institutions

907
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 2: are making a lot of money. And now with Live,

908
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: I gave the players that opportunity. And look what's happened

909
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 2: to the PGA tour without Live. Well, what Live did

910
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: was it brought private equity into our sport first time

911
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: ever in fifty four years. Outside money got invested in.

912
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: That created an ROI, an opportunity to invest production, marketing, hospitality, entertainment, fandom.

913
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: All these new places popped up innovation because of the

914
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: investment dollars that came in to Live. That's where we

915
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 2: put it right. We had to grow. The thing that

916
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: bothers me the most about it is the perception that

917
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 2: I was trying to destroy the PGA tour. That is

918
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: the total opposite. We were trying to work within the

919
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: ecosystem competition's a wonderful thing. PGA Tour is seventy two

920
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: holes now live as seventy two holes. Back in those days,

921
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 2: live was entertainment, concerts, different hospitality, music, all that stuff,

922
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: plus team. So the ecosystem was crying out for that

923
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 2: to have a counterbalance, and we proved it right. But

924
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: the general public, or perception of a certain media who

925
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 2: were probably had to take the tech that they had

926
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 2: to take for certain reasons, created this angst out there

927
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: in the world of golf.

928
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: That's a media works, Yeah, exactly, if they've got to

929
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 1: find something.

930
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 2: But now look at the PGA Tour. I just complimented

931
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: Brian low Lap. Why because private equity came into the

932
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: PGA Tour, because they'll live three billion dollars one point

933
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: five billion has already come in, another one point five

934
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: billion two come in. So all of a sudden, now

935
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: the players control the policy board. Now, all of sudden,

936
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 2: players have controlled their own destiny. Ala Lujah. Yes, that's

937
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 2: what I wanted in nineteen ninety three, us to have

938
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: control of our own destiny. And the institutions, it's the

939
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: PGA Tours, the Professional Golfers Tour, it's not the professional

940
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 2: institution too. I like that, So I go, gosh, finally,

941
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: so still waters run deep. I've finally gotten what I

942
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: believe is the right thing for the players, and then

943
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 2: in turn, it's going to be the right thing for golf. Now,

944
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 2: PGA two Tour and Live will they come together, I

945
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: don't know, really doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. They're both

946
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 2: in their own space, both very happy about what they're doing.

947
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: And look what's happening with PJ Tour now they're reducing

948
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: down to potentially twenty tournaments a year. Duh, you know.

949
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: And players now have control with their equity, they have

950
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 2: a piece of duh, private equity.

951
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: Duh. You know.

952
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: All these things are like, please sit back and look

953
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: at this in a neutral, balanced way about what has

954
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: actually transpired over the last couple of years and what

955
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: had transpired for the previous fifty four And.

956
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: I think for golfers, like look at Cam for example,

957
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 1: like that he's in a much better place than he

958
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: ever been before, and a younger like him putting him

959
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: in charge of a team captain, and it's happening his

960
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: own team when he sat right there in the seat

961
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: some time ago, Like I couldn't believe the maturity which

962
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: he probably would never have got out of the live

963
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 1: hadn't have existed, Like he wouldn't have got that sort

964
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: of opportunit unity to be part of it all and

965
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: to lead a team, etcetera. Do you think it developed

966
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 1: him more as a person as well as a golfer, because.

967
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: As an individual athlete, you are represented by an agency

968
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 2: and you have a manager or an agent representing you.

969
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 2: Every deal we do is a transaction. So you're a

970
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: past ruinity. And that past ruanity is if I sign

971
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: with ex company for a three year deal with a

972
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: two year option depending on my KPI performance on the

973
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: golf course, finishing the top five in the world and

974
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: one number one in the world. If I don't hit those,

975
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm out. So you become very much like I said,

976
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: a past ruanity, and so you have very little to

977
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: build off except your own skill set and your own longevity.

978
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: You become inventry, You become inventory gymmetry exactly.

979
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 2: So when I my role when I took the role

980
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: as CEO was to talk to each one of the

981
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: captains about understanding what is like to build brand equity

982
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 2: now as an individual when you're represent your corporations you're

983
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 2: not building any equity in any brand, not yours, because

984
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 2: you are transaction with that corporation. Great, you're getting paid

985
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: for it. Great, you're doing a commercial or whatever it

986
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: is advertising, Great, but what is the long term value?

987
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: Its short term returns with very little long term value.

988
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 2: So when I sat down with him, I said, guys,

989
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: you've got to understand what the value of your brand

990
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 2: and your team truly represents on a global basis. And

991
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: with Cam I had a serious conversation with him one

992
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: on one, and it's all about making sure you put

993
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: the right people around you, because you can't do it yourself.

994
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: You can't play golf and be the best golfer in

995
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 2: the world at the highest level and run a team

996
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: as well as I'm stand marketing and branding and all

997
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 2: this stuff. I said, each and every one of these

998
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 2: guys had you got to put a team around you,

999
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: will subsidize you to a degree, but you've got to

1000
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: pay us back. So we did that, and Mike, you

1001
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 2: be surprised about of all the captains, how many of

1002
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: them really embrace it. Now went straight over the head, right,

1003
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 2: and you know it's no slide on agencies or agents.

1004
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: It's just the fact that's the DNA, that's what we

1005
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: all grew up in. So when you sit back and

1006
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: you see the opportunity with these respective teams that live

1007
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: have today, you go, these guys are really going to

1008
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 2: create generational wealth. Example, IPL Kerry Packer, what he did

1009
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: with cricket, got away from test cricket, created this whole

1010
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: new sporting dynamic. By was it private equity? Probably was

1011
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: because it was Kerry's money, right, He invested in the

1012
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: sport because he could see the long term value of

1013
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: what he could do with India, Pakistan, South Africa, New

1014
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 2: Zealand and Australia go down the list of all the

1015
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: iconic countries who love to play test cricket, right, but

1016
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 2: how do you really monetize that? Not for the institutions

1017
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: but for the players form. So Kerry sat on my

1018
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: shoulder every day for four year, especially early on. You know,

1019
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 2: I would talk to him, you know, and I'd think

1020
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 2: about the conversation and he with Kerry, So he was

1021
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: my you know, rest in peace KP. But he he

1022
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 2: was my kind of like my guiding light. And you

1023
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: would say, what would you do, Kerry, what would you

1024
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: what would you do? And I would think about our

1025
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: conversation and then I'd remember back, I go back and

1026
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: google search what happened with cricket and now looking fast

1027
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 2: forward to what it meant about IPL what's the team

1028
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: selling for six seven, eight hundred million dollars in India?

1029
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 1: And look and look at the guys like Ricky Pointing

1030
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: and Warner the amount of money they're making.

1031
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 2: I love it. It's so good for him. I'm so

1032
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: good for them, right for their families. They're the ones

1033
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: who committed to sacrifice to as a kid, I want

1034
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: to be this. To get there, it's impossible except for

1035
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 2: a few, right, so those few should receive the bulk

1036
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 2: of the reward for that fact. I'm so happy for that.

1037
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: But that was Kerry. Kerry broke the back of that

1038
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 2: now and we are doing the same in golf, right,

1039
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 2: So happy for these captains out there and for our

1040
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 2: investor to be able to go get that return on

1041
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: that investment dollar over time. It's not going to happen

1042
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: like that, like any startup. Mark You know that any

1043
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: startup you've got to put a lot of cap ac

1044
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: in in the beginning before you get your return, right,

1045
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 2: so it becomes capital intensive in the beginning to get

1046
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: it off the ground, and then once you start getting

1047
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 2: it commercialized and all that stuff. Now you start seeing

1048
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 2: the outflows being offset by the inflows. And now you

1049
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 2: start seeing your LRP is going out a little bit better.

1050
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 2: And now you can start seeing four or five seven

1051
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 2: years down the line and go okay, now now the

1052
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 2: thing starts to take a bit of a turned to

1053
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: the upside. So from a business perspective of sports perspective,

1054
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 2: you know, to see where we are today, PGA Tour,

1055
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: dp WORLL Tour, Live golf is the benefactor, and if

1056
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: golf is the benefactor, the players are the benefactor. And

1057
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: you know, seeing what happened to the Australian Open, you know,

1058
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: brought back great memories, right, that's the enthusiasm of that

1059
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 2: people have seeing what happens with Live and Adelaide and

1060
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: what the the premier is doing in Adelaide. He's investing

1061
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: dollars for the future of Adelaide. Our economic impact for

1062
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: Live is significant because when you think about it, when

1063
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 2: Live comes to a city anywhere in the world, we

1064
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: own the players, or said they they owned the players

1065
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 2: because they'm not involved with Live anymore. Live owns the players,

1066
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: live owns, the production, live owns, the marketing, live owns this,

1067
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 2: live owns. So you're a plug and play. So all

1068
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 2: that cost, and it's a significant cost every week to

1069
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: bring that to wherever you go in the world, is

1070
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: not on any institution or state government or anything like that.

1071
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: It's there. So now the opportunity has work together with

1072
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: government with locals to monetize that situation, whether it's beik

1073
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: or whether it's investment dollars. And now you look see

1074
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 2: what we've done in Adelaide. Oh my gosh, the economic

1075
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 2: impact that we brought to Adelaide is significant. So that's

1076
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 2: why Premier Malanowskis can go okay, I can invest into

1077
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: the future. I can do a long term contract with

1078
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 2: Live because I see the economic impact each and every

1079
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 2: year that we can keep building on, building on, building on.

1080
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: So you know, the smart people get it, and the

1081
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 2: smart people aren't wrong. And then four and a half

1082
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: years now that I've been involved or was involved with Live,

1083
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: not one person told me I was crazy. Not one.

1084
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: I walked this morning before coming here, having breakfast in

1085
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 2: the hotel, two people came up, thank you what you

1086
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 2: did for for golf with live. Thank you, thank you,

1087
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: thank you. Not one person all the years I've been around,

1088
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: flying around the walld has come up to me and see,

1089
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: you're an absolute asshole. You've done this, and you've done that.

1090
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: You destroyed the game of golf, You've done this. Not

1091
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 2: one person in the public world has ever said that

1092
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: to me. So I go, Okay, be true to yourself.

1093
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: I stayed true to myself. I delivered. I delivered. I

1094
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 2: had a four year contract employment agreement. I'm happy I

1095
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,439
Speaker 2: did what I did. Do I have regrets? Zero? Would

1096
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: I do it again, Yes, but I do it a

1097
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: little bit differently. So it just allows me now to

1098
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: walk away and say, yes, it's interesting.

1099
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: You know you mentioned Kerry tapping on the shoulder and

1100
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: Will being on your right shoulder and calling me to

1101
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: you like someone like someone like an angel. Who had

1102
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: ever thought of Kerry Packer of being an angel? And

1103
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: by the way, he was such a big unit.

1104
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: Sitting on one's shoulder. Yu.

1105
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 1: He's talking sort of not literally, but I just something

1106
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: he said to me one day similar. We're talking about brands.

1107
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: Excuse me, we're talking about brands in relation to money

1108
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: that you know, we're in the money lending business together,

1109
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: and he said to my son, there's no such thing

1110
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: as an a money dollars, no designer dollars. Your dollar

1111
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:18,919
Speaker 1: as good as someone else a dollar. If someone's borrowing money,

1112
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: they couldn't give a damn with the your commonalt Bank,

1113
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 1: Westpac or in our case of the Wizard homelans business,

1114
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: they couldn't kill us as long as you lending the money.

1115
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: And the same conditions apply that I have to pay

1116
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: it back until thirty years whatever the case I've been.

1117
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: No such thing.

1118
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 1: Just money makes the actually literally makes the world go around.

1119
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 1: And people want your money to do something they dream

1120
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: about when I think about live and one of the

1121
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: things I you know, like I remember some of the

1122
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: media were getting stuck in you because of the Saudi

1123
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: and you know, led all these allegations about Saudi. But

1124
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, this is good for

1125
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: the players, This is good for their families, this is

1126
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: good for golf, and like it's the greater good.

1127
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: Is becomes a question the overall.

1128
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: Good thing that is bringing to viewers, players, the family,

1129
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,800
Speaker 1: the longevity of the game is that was that was

1130
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:09,840
Speaker 1: that your thought process, like you know, you have to

1131
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: think above all these things.

1132
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: Of course, you can't run through a brick wall without

1133
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 2: getting bloody. Yeah, right, And so at the end of

1134
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 2: the day, you you look, why was there back channeling

1135
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 2: to deliver that anti one message?

1136
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah one message?

1137
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 2: Whatever, the focus was, right, and why was that? Why

1138
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 2: was that taking place? Well, maybe you were really disrupting

1139
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: what was taking on behind the scenes that people they

1140
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 2: didn't want people to know about.

1141
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,120
Speaker 1: Someone's feeding the message.

1142
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of things. Probably you talk We

1143
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 2: talked about it before with grandfather clauses in place. So

1144
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, I always sat back and question what is

1145
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: the cabal behind the golfing scene? Who it is? I mean,

1146
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: I ask myself that question, right?

1147
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:55,919
Speaker 1: Why?

1148
01:04:56,320 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: Why? Why? Why? If you if? Okay, let's you boil

1149
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 2: it down into a business sense, right. So you and

1150
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: I going into a business transaction, and I want to

1151
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: come and buy your Aussie homelown business. Right, So okay, Marc,

1152
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: let's sit down. This is what we've got. So you

1153
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: sit down at the table. I understand what you want

1154
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 2: and you understand what I want. So you start this

1155
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: negotiation right from the get go. Now you walk away

1156
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: from the table only because you know what you don't like.

1157
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 2: On this side of the table, or I don't like

1158
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 2: on your side of the table, but you know the

1159
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 2: information it's and then or you do a merger or

1160
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 2: you understand I'll tell you I like that piece, and

1161
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 2: I like this piece. You and I can work together

1162
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 2: to do this, and I might need you to stay

1163
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: on and let's collaborate together to get to this next level.

1164
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 2: Whatever it is when you don't sit down at the

1165
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: table and you don't understand the facts and you do

1166
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 2: all this whatever, it is the front loaded negative sentiment

1167
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 2: that creates the hype, that creates the angst. So by

1168
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: just sitting down in the beginning and understanding exactly what

1169
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 2: we had to offer in the beginning, none of this

1170
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: would have existed, none of this angst would have happened.

1171
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: So that's why I sit back and go, why did

1172
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: that take place? What are they trying to not saying

1173
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,919
Speaker 2: they did? What are they trying to cover up? Why

1174
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,760
Speaker 2: aren't they wanting to sit down? Forget the PIF and

1175
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 2: the Saudis and there the investment into sport is the

1176
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: investment into sport, simple investment of the US government into

1177
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: into the Saudi government.

1178
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: It's investment.

1179
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 2: It's investment, right it's a it's a business transaction.

1180
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: They discrete transactions, stand on the right.

1181
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 2: So that's why I always sat back and just you know,

1182
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 2: on the weekends, I'd be sitting in my office at

1183
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:58,479
Speaker 2: home just just wondering why why why, And I speak

1184
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 2: to my lawyers, I go, this is just doesn't feel right.

1185
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 2: What is what is really the behind the scenes that

1186
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: and it'll all come out, just like what happened with Watergate.

1187
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: Sooner or later, something will come out and some forensic

1188
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 2: journalists will stumble upon and you know, again, I said

1189
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: it before the troops will set you free. So I

1190
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: stayed true to the course of what I was doing.

1191
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 2: Did it sting? Damn right, it's stung a lot. Did

1192
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: it hurt me? Yes, it hurt me a lot of

1193
01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 2: personality of people's judgment of me. My friends, for example,

1194
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,479
Speaker 2: are some friends because of it? Really?

1195
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1196
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

1197
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:38,919
Speaker 1: Wow?

1198
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you go, Okay. I use this philosophy now

1199
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 2: in life in the last four or five years, is

1200
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: let them be that's what you want to be. Fine,

1201
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 2: you do what you want to do. I'm over here.

1202
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 2: Let me be who I want to be. And so,

1203
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 2: by just having that very simple thought process in my head,

1204
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 2: It's just allowed me to keep moving forward in life

1205
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: and understanding that's okay. You know what I've done is

1206
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,240
Speaker 2: I've done the right thing for myself and done the

1207
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 2: right thing for golf and done the right thing for

1208
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 2: the players. I've done the right thing because of what

1209
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,600
Speaker 2: has transpired in the last eighteen months in the in the.

1210
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: World of see the effect.

1211
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: I can see it. I can one hundred percent see it.

1212
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 2: And you know, and I think about the effect that

1213
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 2: the people who came on board in the very beginning

1214
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 2: with Live against all the angst and against all this

1215
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: people smart people, executives. Read what our deck is, Read

1216
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 2: where we're going to go, Read what the investment is

1217
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 2: going to do, Where we're going to do it, how

1218
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: we're going to do it. These are very, very very

1219
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 2: intelligent people coming from major corporations from around the world.

1220
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,719
Speaker 2: Chief of marketing and all that stuff, chief of legal,

1221
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 2: all these people that I was involved with bringing on here.

1222
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 2: It is you know, you make your decision yourself on

1223
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 2: the facts, on the information, and you know, filling out

1224
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,919
Speaker 2: the C suite was a pleasure. It was an absolute

1225
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 2: pleasure because filling out the C suite to live was

1226
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 2: making sure that our executives had a global perspective on sport,

1227
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 2: on golf, not the US centric, a global perspective. When

1228
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 2: we went Adelaide and we dropped the mic and Adelaide

1229
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 2: with the performance the first year, everybody went, well, there

1230
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 2: it is, how do we bottel that? Now Australia is

1231
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: different than Korea, which is different than other countries around

1232
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: the world, but we had it there. The ingredients were there,

1233
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: The ingredients of success were there, the government was the

1234
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: economic impact we had on there was there. So you know,

1235
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 2: we used that as a as a catalyst to go,

1236
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 2: okay to all the other events. Okay, here it is,

1237
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 2: this is what you can do, this is why you

1238
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: want to do it, this is where we're going to go.

1239
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: Just an observation. When you and I met out sign

1240
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: had a cup of coffee first arrive. You were sort

1241
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: of laid back, hanging out. We're just having to chat

1242
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: that stuff. And what I've noticed is your energy levels

1243
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: as the discussion goes on have rose and rose and rose.

1244
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: Now you're a you know, you're in your last forty years,

1245
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: You're another forty year to go. Hopefully for me, what's

1246
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 1: amazing is well, what I like to know is where

1247
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: does Greg Norman get his energy from? And what's Greg

1248
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: Norman thinking doing himself for the next twenty thirty years.

1249
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have like a regime. Do you

1250
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: sort of say, Okay, I'm going to stay fit, I'm

1251
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: going to get good sleep, I'm going to manage my travel. Look,

1252
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be careful what to eat, or you just

1253
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 1: sort of naturally this way you're born.

1254
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,679
Speaker 2: This way is a DNA. I think it's a little

1255
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 2: bit of DNA. But I am meticulous about my life

1256
01:10:56,920 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 2: and how I go about my life. I'm gonna see

1257
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 2: you my body, right, you know, you've got to know

1258
01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: what's good for your company is good for the constituents,

1259
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: what good for my body is good for my inner self. Right,

1260
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 2: So I am. I do manage that. I'm very very

1261
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: aware of it. I'm a very alert to the things

1262
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 2: around me. But yes, I am very quietly passionate human being,

1263
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 2: and I do speak passionately about the things that I

1264
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: actually do. See. I've been lucky where I've been able

1265
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: to identify virgin space because I travel so much. And you,

1266
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: like I said in the beginning, listen, I'm an observer

1267
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 2: and I take in the opportunities. And I've always said

1268
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: to my people, I can give you a thirty second

1269
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 2: thought and I'll give you three months thirty months of work.

1270
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 2: And that is my job right to be able to

1271
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,520
Speaker 2: think out of the box and see what the opportunities

1272
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 2: are out there, to be able to go and chase them.

1273
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,720
Speaker 2: Do they all work? No, they don't work, but you

1274
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 2: never know they're not going to work if you don't

1275
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 2: try it.

1276
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 1: Just Greg Norman sort of interests in longevity. I mean,

1277
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: is that something that goes through micaus. We see this

1278
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 1: particularly America, like Peter Tea, you know, Andrew Human, all

1279
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 1: these great scientists.

1280
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 2: I guess they are talking about how to live longer

1281
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 2: and live better. Australians are just starting to think about

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 1: People are yours are my age. We have to now

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Speaker 1: start to be much more thoughtful of this stuff and

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Speaker 1: make sure that we have strategies. And I'd imagine you

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Speaker 1: said you're the CEO of your body. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: those better way putting it that Greg Norman would not

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: be thinking about this deeply and broadly and making sure

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Speaker 1: that he can execute on the next thirty years what

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Speaker 1: he wants to do. Can't do unless he's really physically healthy.

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Speaker 1: And because these things require energy and you've got heaps

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Speaker 1: of it. Is this a conscious thought process that you

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Speaker 1: go through daily.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just automatic now. I mean I've been

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Speaker 2: doing it for a long time in my life.

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Speaker 1: And do.

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Speaker 2: I go to the Mayo Clinic every year and do

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01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 2: a full work up? Absolutely. I spent three days there

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Speaker 2: with my wife and we just go through the whole thing. Now.

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Speaker 2: Did I do that twenty years ago? Hell? No, I

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Speaker 2: didn't do that twenty years ten years ago. No, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: But you're also aware of I want to do it

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Speaker 2: to me. I don't want to do it with outside agencies,

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Speaker 2: drugs or anything like that. I think you can do

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Speaker 2: it yourself. I'm not saying that I'm perfectly healthy. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm ninety nine point nine pretty good. I'm

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Speaker 2: pretty good right. But where you break down and your

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 2: weaknesses break down is when you actually push yourself too hard.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know. I did feel it. With the four

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Speaker 2: years with live, with the amount of travel I was doing,

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Speaker 2: it was starting to had its price on me. And

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Speaker 2: I have noticed the big difference from when I finally

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Speaker 2: stepped aside to where I am here today, night and day. Mentally, physically,

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 2: I'm a lot sharper because I wasn't so innundated one

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01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: hundred hours a week on getting this startup going right,

1316
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: from human resources, from innovation to implementation, to execution, to

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 2: public perception and the media. All that stuff sucks it

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Speaker 2: out of you, and I'd be lying if it didn't.

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01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 2: And you know the sacrifices you made to your family,

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01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 2: the Saturdays and Sundays and Christmas Day meetings and all

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01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: that stuff. It was always on right. It was always

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Speaker 2: you had to do that because that was your responsibility

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01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 2: and you're accountable for that role you were taking place.

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01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 2: So I took it on. But now I feel different.

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: Now you'd say, what am I going to do for

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Speaker 2: the next few years? My seven year plan is twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty two Brisbane Olympics. A lot of things come from that.

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Speaker 2: I'm very, very bullish on Asia Asia Pacific market transitioning

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01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: over to the golf about just over fifty percent of

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 2: all golf courses built in the world today between the

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01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 2: GCC and the Asia Pacific rim. Wow. Yes, wow. I've

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 2: been involved in Vietnam now in golf course construction for

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01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: twelve years and to see and I work with the

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01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 2: Vietnamese government and to see what's happened in Vietnam in

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01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 2: the last twelve years. We have another meet myself personally

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 2: have another twelve or thirteen years left in Vietnam. That

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Speaker 2: is one generation in one country in Asia, just in golf. Right,

1338
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 2: So now you start doing the widening out and broadening

1339
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: out that opportunity Japan, Korea, China. The moratorium will be

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01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 2: lifted believe eventually on golf course construction in China, India,

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Speaker 2: Middle East, in Indonesia, all these places in the world,

1342
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Speaker 2: now Thailand, all these places in the world now certainly

1343
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 2: see the value of what golf brings from a tourist impact.

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01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 2: Tourism dollar, golf tourism dollar totally different. So the longevity

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01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 2: for golf in the Asian Pacific market is minimum twenty

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01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:35,559
Speaker 2: five years. So you look where Australia sits longitunally you're

1347
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 2: in the happy day space. It is a golden mean, Yes, yeah,

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 2: definitely the golden mean. And I see the opportunities. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to three private equity companies this week. That's

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01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 2: why I'm in Sydney. Actually five private equity companies, because

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01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 2: I've always said if somebody followed my golf course design

1352
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: career around the world, first money in is going to

1353
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: make a lot of money because you see these impact

1354
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean again, I'm not bragging here, but

1355
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: you talk to leaders of countries and you go PPPs

1356
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 2: this and that. How do we create this? How do

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01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: we establish the structure to increase out golf tourism dollar.

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01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 2: So again going back, knowing what other countries and other

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01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:27,560
Speaker 2: individuals see into the future, why aren't you there? So

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Speaker 2: that's how I play it. The opportunities in this country huge,

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01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: only huge, even though there's you know, there's a little

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01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 2: bit of a you know, undersupply and houses. How do

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01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:42,360
Speaker 2: you correct that. You see what's happening with the investment

1364
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: in southeast Queensland because of Brisbane thirty two Olympics. All

1365
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 2: those opportunities are there. How do you just navigate your

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01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 2: way to get in there, to make sure it's the

1367
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: right thing. And golf is an incredible opportunity to be

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Speaker 2: able to do that.

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Speaker 1: So recently Anthony Albaniz he wanted to meet up with

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Speaker 1: Trump and you know, through various association which would probably

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Speaker 1: include the current ambassador Kevin rud who's doing a great

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01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: job under tough circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Of course, Joe Hockey, he's well out.

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Speaker 1: The senator genius was his predecessor to and then it

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01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: was a success after Joe. But you know, like if

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01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 1: we go back to Joe, you're a good mate to

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01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: Joe's when he was ambassador in particular, how important is

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01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 1: it for you as an Australian, like in a nationalistic sense,

1379
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: and I don't mean weird nationalistic sense, but like to

1380
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: look after Australia And you know, like in with the

1381
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: greatest respect to prominence, to look after promidence is deed

1382
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: to meet Trump, I mean, as I understand it, I'm

1383
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: hearing that you sort of open up the segway for

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01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: these guys to get together.

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01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: Look, I'll put it do this way. If I get

1386
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: a phone call that and asking for help, and if

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01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 2: I can help, I'm going to do it. Okay, simple

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 2: as that, you know. And it's it's that again, it's

1389
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 2: that responsibility that you have that be able to help

1390
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 2: little brother or big brother or whomever. Right, I feel

1391
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 2: not obligated to do it, but I feel honored to

1392
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Speaker 2: do it.

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01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 1: Wow, And it's not and it doesn't matter what color

1394
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,600
Speaker 1: you bleed, red or blue. I mean, because at the

1395
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: end of the day's a bit like what we talked

1396
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,480
Speaker 1: about with the live bit. It's not about the small skirmishes.

1397
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:31,560
Speaker 1: It's about the bigger overall impact of what you can facilitate,

1398
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, Like if you can facilitate relations to make

1399
01:19:36,240 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 1: the relations better, then that's all it matters.

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01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,640
Speaker 2: I guess that's all that matters. I mean, you know,

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01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 2: one day I'll sit down and write a book about

1402
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 2: the experiences I've had. But you know, that's the most

1403
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:53,759
Speaker 2: important thing, right, Being able to be a very small

1404
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: part of a big system that allows that big system

1405
01:19:58,360 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 2: to keep operating the way it has operated, irrespective of

1406
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 2: who's in control. It's critically important to me. It's no different.

1407
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 2: It's I've been the same way with golf, Right, I

1408
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: fought institutions because I've felt like I've been fighting the

1409
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 2: institutions for the right reasons, not to destroy, like I

1410
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: said before, for the right reasons, to create the best

1411
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 2: outcome of what I can absolutely see and achieve for

1412
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 2: those for the better, for everybody, you know. And I'm,

1413
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: like I said, it's an honor to be able to

1414
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 2: do it. It's honored to be able to just pick

1415
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,599
Speaker 2: up your phone and just send a text and there's

1416
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:47,040
Speaker 2: a response, right, and you go okay, you know, and

1417
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 2: there's you have a lot of fun with it too, right,

1418
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 2: you know. And it's just it's just it's just an

1419
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 2: interesting position to be in.

1420
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: Well it what's more than interesting for me to be

1421
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: able to have this interview, and like you said, in

1422
01:21:01,800 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: relation to what you do, has ben honor for Mark

1423
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: Worest to be able to sit down with Greek Normans.

1424
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 1: By the way, you are the great watch UK. But

1425
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: I remember in the eighties which was we talked outside.

1426
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: It was an amazing time for both of us to

1427
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: be president. But today what I find in the most

1428
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: interesting thing is, I.

1429
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 2: Mean that was your period.

1430
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: Eighties was when you were at your height and we

1431
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: saw the Nicholas era, that we saw the Norman era,

1432
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: and we saw the Wood zero, but you had an

1433
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 1: era mate, and that eighties nineties period was pretty significant

1434
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: for you. As I said earlier, it's a great honor

1435
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,600
Speaker 1: to have someone like you sit across from me and

1436
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:42,120
Speaker 1: be so honest with us and so authentic. Great Norman

1437
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 1: you are, you actually are a strain icon of Thanks

1438
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 1: very much, mate.

1439
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Michael. Look, all I can say to

1440
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,519
Speaker 2: you is you stay your course because you were very

1441
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 2: fair and balanced on your podcast, which I love and

1442
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 2: I think your viewers love that. I think that's why

1443
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: you are successful the way you are. And to keep

1444
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:00,799
Speaker 2: doing that, you've got to go to push the boundaries

1445
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 2: on both sides, right, which is fantastic. But you also

1446
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 2: have the responsibility to the people who listen to this, right.

1447
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 2: Your responsibility is that to make sure that they do

1448
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 2: one understand there is more to it than what they

1449
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 2: read and see, correct, and that that is the people

1450
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: you have sitting in this seat, whether male or female, leaders,

1451
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,760
Speaker 2: are not leaders, for them to feel comfortable enough in

1452
01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: front of you to tell them these are the facts,

1453
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 2: this is where I am, this is what it is,

1454
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 2: this is whatever world you're in, this is it and

1455
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 2: let them draw the conclusion. Right. You can only come

1456
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 2: up with non judgmental observations if you know both sides

1457
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 2: of the ledger correct, and it's for them to make

1458
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:51,680
Speaker 2: a call that's right, not me or you. We just

1459
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,680
Speaker 2: tell the story. Yep. So thank you, thank you,