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Speaker 1: you project Melissa, Good morning. How are you? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty good at Sunday. I'm up and about, you know,

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Speaker 1: doing what I can. Just keep it real. That was

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Speaker 1: very presumptuous of me to assume that this is anyone's

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Speaker 1: favorite podcast. I should have just gone with everyone. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to a podcast doesn't really have the same kind of

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Speaker 1: captivating it, does it. Welcome to another one of the

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Speaker 1: one point nine million podcasts on the planet vying for

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Speaker 1: your attention that you project er. How are you feeling?

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Speaker 1: I'm good? Thank you. Now, I'm not going to throw

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Speaker 1: you under the bus. I'm not going to go the

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Speaker 1: masses you haven't been your most optimal lately. We're not

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Speaker 1: going to open the door too wide, but you've been

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Speaker 1: a bit crooked. But you're coming good. I am coming good.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, I'm good. Yeah. Do you need a group

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Speaker 1: hug from the typ faithful?

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Speaker 2: That's lovely, thank you.

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Speaker 1: If you could all send flowers, roses and small cash donations.

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Speaker 1: What's the address again, you idiot? All large case donations, no,

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Speaker 1: no pressure, but you know it would help just gaging.

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Speaker 1: So let's jump into it. Let's not do a ten

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Speaker 1: to fast forward through this bit? No really? So the

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Speaker 1: what's that episode four twenty two Becoming ungive Upable? Well,

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Speaker 1: today is Sunday as we record this, and that went up,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know last Sunday maybe, and today we've

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Speaker 1: I love that episode. Killer means good thing in this jargon.

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Speaker 1: And you know when you meet someone, even you know

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Speaker 1: And it's bloody amazing to meet people who This sounds wrong,

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Speaker 1: And he's talking to some shitkicker in Australia that he's

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Speaker 1: it's not like we're the Joe Rogan experience and we're

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Speaker 1: But I just love the fact that, you know, here's

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Speaker 1: I know what most sixty five year old bodies move like.

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Speaker 1: And I just grabbed. I go, I said, can I

428
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: can I talk to you seck? He goes yeah, sure,

429
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I go, can I be really rude? If it was

430
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: a lady, I wouldn't have asked, but I feel like

431
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: with a dude, you can get away with it. I go,

432
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: can I ask you how old you are? And he

433
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: goes sixty five. I go, you're a fucking weapon and

434
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: he laughs, he goes, yeah, I get that. I go,

435
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: how long have you been skateboarding? He goes fifty five years,

436
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: and I go, so, it's not like you used to

437
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: skate and you gave it up and you came back.

438
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I never stopped. I never stopped. And

439
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: he was an executive and he'd finished and he was

440
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 1: doing new stuff. I didn't go into it too deep.

441
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,479
Speaker 1: But what I loved was, here's this guy out his energy.

442
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Like I looked at this dude. He had gray hair,

443
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: half gray black hair, halfway down his back. He gave

444
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: no fucks about what people thought. But he was a

445
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: nice person. He didn't care if it wasn't. He wasn't

446
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: skating down the street going oh, I wonder what people

447
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: think of me. He wasn't going shit. I don't know

448
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: if skateboarding is age appropriate activity for me. Maybe I

449
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: should check with the vic GUV website recommendations for sixty

450
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: five year olds, because fuck, I hope this is I

451
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: don't know if this is on the band list. He

452
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: gave no facts, right, And the fact was he moved

453
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: like a thirty year old, and you know, he was

454
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: just so good. He'd been doing it so long that

455
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: he just didn't fall off. It was like that was.

456
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: It was just like he and the board moved as

457
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: one and he kind of skated off into the distance,

458
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: and that like one. He was cool and I loved

459
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: meeting with him, But I also thought, I also thought,

460
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: why was I so surprised? Like, well, he's a human,

461
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: he's skateboarding. What's the surprise? And the surprise is you

462
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: never see that exactly, because like, could you imagine rocking

463
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: up to someone's birth a sixty year old someone, and

464
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 1: you buy him a skateboard? Everyone would be like, what

465
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? I bought him a skateboard

466
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: for his birthday?

467
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: What four?

468
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: So he can go skate Everyone would think you were

469
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: a moron, right, but I guarantee you given the right

470
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: setting and of course pads and all that. You know.

471
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: You know my favorite saying that I've said a thousand times,

472
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: We don't stop playing because we grow old. We grow

473
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: old because we stop playing. Right. It's so true And

474
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: I remember many times as a kind of an echo

475
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: of the story I just told I would I when

476
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: I was a trainer, my second one to my second gym,

477
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: the one anyway, you know where Dandy Park in Brighton

478
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: is so Dandy Park's a massive park. It must be

479
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: luck three k's around that park, four k's. I know

480
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: what it is. It's fairly big. And my second gym

481
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: was two hundred meters from there. And I remember one

482
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: night I used to train these three dudes together. They're

483
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: in their fifties and they were like early fifties, fifty

484
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: one to two three at that stage. Train them in

485
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: the gym. And one night it was a summer night

486
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: and it was warm. There was fair few people in

487
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: the gym, so I grabbed a footy in a frisbee

488
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: and I said, boys, we're going to go to the park.

489
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: And they're like, what, I go, We're going to go

490
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: the park. So we job jogged to the park. So

491
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: I've got these three fifty something blokes and we've left

492
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: the treadmills, We've left the fancy bikes and the steppers

493
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: and the grinders and the elliptical striders and the fucking

494
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: fancy pinloaded machine and now we're standing on grass with

495
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: a footy worth ten bucks and a frisbee and these maniacs. Right.

496
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: I was up one end with the the other with

497
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: one bloke, and the other two boys were up the

498
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: And I say boys because they're fucking boys at this stage.

499
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: And we were doing kick to kick footy, so kicking

500
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: the footy, mark and the footy depending on where you live,

501
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: catching the footy that's called we call it marking in

502
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: Australian rules, catching, kicking, catching, kicking, taking hangars and speckis

503
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: on each other, calling out, leading bloody, doing different drills,

504
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: handball drills, kicking drills, running around. Then we played a

505
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: kind of a game that I used to play with

506
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: them with the frisbee and they spent the best part

507
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: of an hour running around like forteen year olds. Now

508
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: I've been training these guys for a couple of years

509
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: at this stage, and they all came up to me

510
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: and said in unison, that was the best session we

511
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: have ever had. Now I'm the exercise scientist. I've been

512
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: training them like precision training on the expensive equipment that

513
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: I bought, and you know, ticking all of these physiological

514
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: boxes that I need to tick to make sure that

515
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: we're addressing or you know, fuck all that shit. Run

516
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: around and be a child and kick a footy and

517
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: throw a frisbee and forget the fact that you're fifty

518
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: five or fifty three or whatever. You are and have

519
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: some fun. And the interesting thing was, I would say

520
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: all of them ran over five kilometers, maybe over six

521
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: kilometers right now. If I said to them, we're running

522
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: five or six k's, they'd all tell me to get fucked.

523
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: If I said, and not only that one, they wouldn't

524
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: do it. They'd rebel or if I mean, if I,

525
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: if I, if I turned on Nasty Craig, then do it.

526
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: But I don't need to do that reluctantly. But I wouldn't.

527
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't make them do it because why they'd

528
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: fucking hate it. And I don't want to make people

529
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: do things that they hate. But it's actually called cognitive

530
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: dissociation when you do something. But like so, what they're

531
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: doing is running and expending energy and moving their body

532
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: in a rather intense way. But what they're actually doing

533
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: is playing games. What they're actually doing is reliving their childhood.

534
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: What they're actually doing is having fun with their mates.

535
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: What they're actually doing is fucking around than just being

536
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: in the moment right now, who's going to prescribe kicking

537
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: a footy at Dendy Park. No one. But that's exactly

538
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: what we need to do sometimes. What we need to

539
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: do is stop behaving our age. What we need to

540
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: do is stop telling ourselves self limiting stories about our age.

541
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: So back to me at UNI, thirty six, oldest person

542
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: in the course by far, literally twice everyone else's age

543
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: on average, because nearly everyone was eighteen. There were a

544
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: few older people, but the oldest person in exercise science

545
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: in the first year exercise Science when I did it,

546
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: there was only about ninety people in the course. The

547
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: oldest person other than me was I think twenty seven,

548
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight or twenty seven. And then obviously I don't know,

549
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: heading towards eighteen months ago. Now I went back to

550
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: UNI for the second time, literally twenty years later. First

551
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: time thirty six, second time fifty six doing a PhD.

552
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: Nobody's going to recommend anyone's start a PhD at fifty six.

553
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: That's a stupid idea. And by the way, Craig, why

554
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: are you doing it? You don't need to. You've done well,

555
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: you're successful, you've made a few bucks, you're doing all right,

556
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: it's all right. What do you do? You know? But

557
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: if I wasn't fifty six, people wouldn't be saying that. Yes,

558
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: if I was thirty nine and I just finished my

559
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: first degree. People would be going, well, that's a natural progression, Craig,

560
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: well done, because you just did your undergrad you're doing

561
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: this and now you've stepped up to that and dah

562
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: da dah. But at fifty six, most people's curiosity is

563
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: not around why am I doing a PhD in europsychology?

564
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: Or their main fascination is not tell me about your

565
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: research to their main fascination is why are you doing it?

566
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: And what they really mean is why the fuck are

567
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: you doing it? You'll be sixty when you finish, like

568
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: what four? And I go why not? And no one

569
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: wants to go because you're fifty six. But that's kind

570
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: of what they're thinking. And this is one of the

571
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: stories we tell ourselves, is we go, well, yeah, but

572
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: you've done, you know, Like, imagine if fifty or forty five,

573
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: Imagine if that's the time for some people anyway at

574
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. Imagine if forty five is where you

575
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: start to fucking hit your straps as it possible one

576
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: hundred percent. What if forty five is the time where

577
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: you start to really or thirty five or forty or

578
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: fifty five or whatever is the time where you really

579
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: start to open the door on the exciting shit and

580
00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: learning and growing. I know one hundred percent, no, so

581
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: that my brain works better now than when I was

582
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: in my twenties. Yeah, and that's not meant to happen.

583
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Like my ability to do lots of shit, to be productive,

584
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: to be present, to focus, to study, to produce good outcomes,

585
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: to maintain my physical, mental, emotional an academic from one

586
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: of a better word energy, it's better than it's ever been.

587
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: But that's it's not better ever than it's ever been

588
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: because that was predetermined because I'm doing the work.

589
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was going to say. It didn't

590
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: just happen that way. It's because you've worked on it.

591
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: You've made that kind of happen, you've been conscious of it,

592
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,439
Speaker 2: and you've taken active steps to make sure that you're

593
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: in that place.

594
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and look, I think I think that you

595
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: know the reality is that we do live in an

596
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: ageis paradigm most of us where you know, if you

597
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: if you've got certain skills and experience and talent and

598
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: ability and you're twenty eight and you go for a

599
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: job or you're the same person, but you're fifty eight, Unfortunately,

600
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: we live in a system that most employers will disadvantage

601
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: you because you're fifty eight. And I don't agree with that,

602
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: but I get it. I understand it because they're interested

603
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: in their welfare, not yours. And I think, you know

604
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: it's it's really you know, so many people that I've

605
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: spoken to, and everyone's spoken to somebody and heard something similar,

606
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: But so many people that I've spoken to have said

607
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: a version of this. Wasn't my plan. This wasn't where

608
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I meant to end up. I didn't think. I didn't

609
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: think at this age i'd be doing this. I didn't

610
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: think that my life, my experience, my outcomes, my reality

611
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: would be this. And I understand that, completely understand that.

612
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: And then my next question is, Okay, so you aren't

613
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: where you thought or hoped or dreamt you might be. Okay,

614
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: so you've still got you know, you're forty, You've maybe

615
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: got another forty years, maybe got another fifty, who knows.

616
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: We don't know how much time you got, but what

617
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: we know is you're not dead. What we know is

618
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 1: you live in Australia or you live in a first

619
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: world country. Most people who listen to this anyway, and

620
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: what we know is you know you can still make decisions,

621
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: you can still change behavior, you can still get uncomfortable,

622
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: and even if it's a tiny step in a new direction,

623
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: a tiny step can you take. No, you can't reinvent

624
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: yourself over the next week, or you can't turn your

625
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: life upside down today. We get that. And you can't

626
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: find a brand new career by lunchtime. We get all

627
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: of that, right, But let's get out of all of

628
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 1: the reasons and all of the things that we can't

629
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,479
Speaker 1: do because we get it. We know it's hard, yep.

630
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: We know that life's not fair. Yep. We know people

631
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: picked on you. Yep. We know that ageism exists. Yep.

632
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: We know all the bad shit. We're not pretending the

633
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 1: bad shit isn't real. But what I'm saying to you

634
00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: you now, in this moment in your life, is what

635
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: is possible for you to do to change your life?

636
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: What is possible? What can you do to change the direction,

637
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: to change your operating system, to change your outcomes, to

638
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Speaker 1: live your purpose? Like, here are some questions. So if

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Speaker 1: you want to if for some of you this is turning,

640
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: didn't intend it to, but fuck, here we go. If

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Speaker 1: this is turning into something of a coaching session. I'm

642
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: going to give you some questions. My first question is this,

643
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: right now, when I say all of this stuff, all

644
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 1: of you know, I think you know. If you don't,

645
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: you're about to know, because I'm going to tell you.

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Speaker 1: I'm not pretending that any of this is quick, easy, fast,

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Speaker 1: or painless. I'm not pretending that. But guess what, every

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Speaker 1: single one of you, Hopefully in five years you're going

649
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Speaker 1: to be five years older. Well, let's be honest, you're

650
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Speaker 1: going to be dead, or you're going to be five

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Speaker 1: years older. Let's hope that all of you listening to

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00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: this are just going to be five years older. So

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, you're going to be five years older.

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Speaker 1: I guess depends on when you listen to this, and

655
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: your life is going to be the same. It's going

656
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: to be a bit better, it's going to be a

657
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: lot better. It's going to be wildly better, or it's

658
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: going to be a bit worse or a lot worse,

659
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: or it's going to be catastrophe. That's the truth. It's

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Speaker 1: going to be somewhere on the scale between fucking horrendous

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Speaker 1: and fucking amazing. I don't know where it is right now.

662
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: But what I know is that the next five years

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Speaker 1: is going to happen anyway. The next year is going

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Speaker 1: to happen anyway, the next two years, three four years

665
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: are going to happen anyway, And you're going to be there.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be in the middle of those years.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be in the middle of that reality.

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Speaker 1: You're going to be in the middle of your life.

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Speaker 1: Your life is going to continue. Things are going to happen.

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Speaker 1: People are going to be shit adds to you. People

671
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: are going to be amazing to you. COVID's going to

672
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: come and go. Things are going to happen, good stuff,

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Speaker 1: bad stuff. And then in the middle of all of

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Speaker 1: that is you and your questions. Is you and your energy?

675
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: Is you and your thinking and your choices? Is you

676
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: and your behaviors? Is you and the reality that you create?

677
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Speaker 1: You and your stories? So here are some questions. So

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Speaker 1: my first question is what can I learn? What can

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Speaker 1: I learn? Is it possible that my age, whatever your age,

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Speaker 1: that I can learn new things? Is it possible that

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Speaker 1: I can develop new skills? Number two, what's possible for me?

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Speaker 1: What's possible for me? Not what's probable, not what's likely,

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Speaker 1: not what does my past tell me? But what is possible. See,

684
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Speaker 1: what's possible is that you can do some fucking incredible

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Speaker 1: stuff when you get out of your own way. That's possible.

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Speaker 1: If we look at most people and we look at

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Speaker 1: typical human behavior, it's not likely, it's not common, it's

688
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Speaker 1: not probable, but it's possible. So when I'm working with people,

689
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Speaker 1: I don't care about life. I don't care about probable.

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00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: I care about what could you do? What could you do?

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Speaker 1: What could you change? What could you become? What could

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Speaker 1: you achieve? What could you conquer? What could you do

693
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Speaker 1: if you were brave? What could you do if you

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Speaker 1: did the work? What could you do if you made

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Speaker 1: the decisions? What could you do if you didn't do

696
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Speaker 1: what most people do? What could you do? And then

697
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Speaker 1: the next question is will you do it? And we

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00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: always kind of circle back to this, don't we We

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00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: always circle back away from the theory and into the practice,

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Speaker 1: into the habit, into the behavior, into the execution. Because,

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Speaker 1: as I've said many times on this podcast, and as

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00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: you won't hear lots of programs or in lots of books,

703
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: or although you do hear it, but probably not enough

704
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: is that it isn't about the theory, It isn't about

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Speaker 1: what come out of my mouth today on this podcast,

706
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: because all I am is stimulating you. I'm provoking you,

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00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm teaching you, I'm hopefully inspiring you to do something.

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Speaker 1: And the reason that I'm doing all of this is

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Speaker 1: because I want you to tap into you. I want

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Speaker 1: you to get past the shit beliefs and the shit

711
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: self esteem and the shit stories and into the awesomeness

712
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: of what you can do when you let that cognitive

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Speaker 1: crap and that emotional crap get out of the way.

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Speaker 1: My next question is how can I improve my cognitive function?

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Speaker 1: My next question is how can I lower my biological age?

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Speaker 1: In other words, how can I make my body function younger?

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00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: In inverted commace? How can I get better? Whatever better

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Speaker 1: means for you? How can I use more of my potential? So,

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Speaker 1: wherever you are, whoever you are, whatever your age are,

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Speaker 1: you are you really using If ten out of ten

721
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Speaker 1: is your potential, what's your number? Right now? I know

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Speaker 1: that I'm really having a crack with a lot of

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Speaker 1: things in my life in terms of my health and

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Speaker 1: my wellness and trying to be a good human and

725
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: trying to learn and grow and trying to be of

726
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Speaker 1: value to the world and humanity and my clients and

727
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Speaker 1: my listeners, my audience. I'm really trying, and I'm very

728
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Speaker 1: aware of my bullshit, and I'm very honest about my bullshit,

729
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Speaker 1: of which there is plenty, and my shortcomings, of which

730
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: there are plenty. I'm really having a go, and I

731
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Speaker 1: reconom at five if my potential is ten. I reconom

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Speaker 1: at five because I still give myself a get out

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Speaker 1: of jail card. I still lie to myself. I still

734
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: take the easy option sometimes. And this is not about

735
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: beating ourself up. This is about sometimes we think, oh fuck,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing everything humanly possible. Maybe some people are, but

737
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:58,439
Speaker 1: not most, because the problem is to really tap into

738
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 1: our potential is somewhat terrifying, because we need to open

739
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: doors that we don't like opening. Because in order to

740
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Speaker 1: tap into our potential, and I'm talking about deep into

741
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: our potential, I'm talking about the fucking, the amazing shit,

742
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: there's going to be some pain. There's going to be

743
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: some suffering, there's going to be some hardship before we

744
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: start to get the rewards. And sometimes we'd rather stay

745
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: on the metaphoric couch because the couch is comfortable. So

746
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: what we do is we stay on the metaphoric couch

747
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: and we just hope that things work out. We hope

748
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Speaker 1: that the next five years will just present opportunities. My

749
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: question is what opportunity can you create? Not what opportunity

750
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: might in inverted commas come your way, but what could

751
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: you create yourself? How do you practically create opportunities? How

752
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: can you change your default setting? What am I wasting

753
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: time and energy on right now that I can reshift

754
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: into something more positive and proactive for me? One of

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00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: my old man's or not one of my old man's.

756
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: My old man's best friend is a guy called Gil,

757
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: and I've spoken about Gil a bit. Gil's like my

758
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: second dad. Gil is I think he's eighty. He's either

759
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: seventy nine, eighty or eighty one, but let's go with eighty.

760
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Speaker 1: And what I love about what I love about this

761
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 1: man is he is he is timeless, ageless in that

762
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: it never occurs to him that he's eighty. And I'm

763
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: not talking about you know, he looks eighty and he

764
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: just acts like a juvenile. No, he looks like a healthy, fit, strong,

765
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: fifty five sixty year old and every day, pretty much

766
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: of his life, he lives in the bush. He or

767
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: he lives in rural Victoria and he's right next to

768
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: a gigantic forest. He rides his mountain bike and I'm

769
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: not talking about you know, pedals up and down a

770
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Speaker 1: dirt road three time and times and comes home. I'm

771
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: talking about half day rides out in the middle of

772
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: nowhere with his drink bottle and his puncture kit and

773
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: riding one hundred k's or so in the bush and

774
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 1: then comes home. You know, he's all over tech. He's

775
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: all over computers, he's got drones, he's got this. I

776
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: don't even want to say how much it's worth. This

777
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: ridiculous used to be a truck. It's been converted to

778
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: a mobile home. Like I don't know what do you

779
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: call those things. It's bloody ridiculous. He maintains that him

780
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: and his wife travel all over Australia to the deepest, darkest,

781
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: most remote areas. And you know, one of the things

782
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Speaker 1: that I love is when I meet with him, when

783
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: I sit down with him, he doesn't do a cursory

784
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: how's your life going. He will sit with me and

785
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: grill me on what I'm doing and how I'm doing it,

786
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: and why I'm doing it, because he wants to learn

787
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: like he wanted to when I first started talking about

788
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: my research with my study, he was so fascinated and

789
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: he would just sit me down for an hour and

790
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: ask me questions. And I'm not talking about you know

791
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: how people kind of placate you where they're trying to

792
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: be interested. No, he was absolutely riveted to hear about

793
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Speaker 1: what it is I'm researching, why I'm researching it, why

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00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: it matters, how I'm testing it, about the scale that

795
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: I've developed, about why the world needs it, about the

796
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: whole PhD process. And his questions were bloody unbelievable, and

797
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: I could tell he was literally just learning something. He

798
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to make me feel good and all take

799
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: an interest in what Craig's doing. Now, yes he was

800
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: doing that, but moreover, Comma your honor. He was learning

801
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: new stuff and I love that. And this is the thing,

802
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: you know, we are We can't do anything about the calendar.

803
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: We can't do anything about chronological aging. I can't wake

804
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: up tomorrow and be fifty seven fifty six, or I

805
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: can't be fifty five or I can't be thirty five

806
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: or twenty five. But what I can do today and

807
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: what I can do tomorrow with my fifty seven year

808
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: old body, I can treat it differently. Fortunately, I treat

809
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: it pretty well, so I probably don't need to make

810
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: a lot of changes. But wherever you are, whoever you are,

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Speaker 1: whatever your chronological age, there's no reason why you need

812
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: to live that age. And as I said earlier, we're

813
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 1: not talking about being deluded or acting young, or being

814
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: immature or silly. We're talking about being fully aware of

815
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Speaker 1: what we've got to work with. Right, I have been

816
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: on the planet fifty seven years. I am an endomorph.

817
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: I do have a few injuries. I'm not pretending that

818
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Speaker 1: I'm twenty years old. But what I'm doing with this

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Speaker 1: fifty seven year old thing that I have to work with,

820
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Speaker 1: I'm choosing to optimize it. I'm choosing to optimize my brain.

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Speaker 1: I'm choosing to optimize my lifestyle. I'm choosing to optimize

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Speaker 1: my choices, my behaviors, and my outcomes. Consciously, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to be a passenger in my aging life. I

824
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Speaker 1: don't want to be a passenger of inevitability. Oh well,

825
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 1: it's inevitable. You know what. There's a bit of inevitability

826
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Speaker 1: to life, of course, but a lot of what people

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Speaker 1: call inevitability to me is actually giving up. It's giving

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Speaker 1: up before before we've even opened the door on our

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Speaker 1: potential and our possibilities. So, boys and girls, I will

830
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Speaker 1: leave it there. Love your guts. I hope you find

831
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Speaker 1: some value in that. More importantly than that, I hope

832
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Speaker 1: you do something with it. Melissa, thank you for your time,

833
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: thank you, thanks to everyone. Going to be awesome, No pressure,

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Speaker 1: Bobby Gats see ya,