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Speaker 1: This is the Fitting and Whip with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's always good to have this smooth criminal in the

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Speaker 2: in the studio. Good friend of the show Jesus looking

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Speaker 2: magnificent in his mustard jacket today as well must a

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Speaker 2: very important day to day as well, because he's got

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Speaker 2: a bit of a roadshow that's happening at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Just to get everyone on board, just to get me

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Speaker 2: tested for bow cancer, which is something that we really

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Speaker 2: need to get behind. It's doctor Andrew Rutford work.

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Speaker 3: I think it is.

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Speaker 4: It would all that mustard.

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Speaker 5: No, it just concerns me when we're talking about, you know,

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Speaker 5: our screening.

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Speaker 3: You've gone with a brown coat this morning.

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Speaker 6: I like to really just embrace the theme of the

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Speaker 6: days doctor, what is what is your jacket?

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Speaker 3: Roditts?

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Speaker 2: That tested?

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Speaker 3: What is what does it come back as? What are

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Speaker 3: the results of the jacket? Good system? Negative for all things?

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Speaker 3: When we do this, like.

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Speaker 5: First, I want to know what's involved and I want

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Speaker 5: to know how easy it is, but I also want

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Speaker 5: to know the age are you.

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Speaker 4: Talking about bow? Also, I have a girl, a friend

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Speaker 4: who's just turned fifty and she said, Wow, what a

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Speaker 4: way to be welcome to the fifties club because she

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Speaker 4: got a letter in the post.

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Speaker 6: It's like a present from the federal government. Free you

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Speaker 6: turn fifty. That's right. The Bow Cancer Screening Kit, the

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Speaker 6: National Bow Cancer Screening Program from the age of fifty.

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Speaker 6: We're very lucky in this country that it is funded

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Speaker 6: by the government. Every two years you will get sent

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Speaker 6: the kit. It is the simplest and one of the

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Speaker 6: best things that you can do for your health. We

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Speaker 6: know that if you get bow cancer early, and this

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Speaker 6: is the test that captures it, ninety percent of the time,

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Speaker 6: it can be treated gray. And there's not actually a

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Speaker 6: lot of cancers that are as simple. And I know

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Speaker 6: people think, oh, you know, I get a little parcel,

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Speaker 6: and you know I've got one. Here's a little package

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Speaker 6: that comes in the mail. It looks a bit like

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Speaker 6: that free home test kit. You know, it's got it

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Speaker 6: all in there, all the tests, all the instructions on

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Speaker 6: the back. Yes, you go into the bathroom, You've got

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Speaker 6: to take a couple of samples every twice within twenty

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Speaker 6: four hours. But we know that only just over forty

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Speaker 6: percent of those that are eligible are actually doing the test.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean that goes in the bin.

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Speaker 6: Wll it goes into draws, and it goes into bins

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Speaker 6: and it goes into you know other places.

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Speaker 2: Can I how simple is it? And I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't want to go and do too too many details.

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Speaker 2: But is it just a quick little sample?

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Speaker 3: Is that all it is? Right now?

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Speaker 4: You just say sample? What do you mean? Yes, swab,

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Speaker 4: swab or a bit of something.

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Speaker 6: So there's little containers. So yes, we do need a

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Speaker 6: part of your stool. And stool is the words that

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Speaker 6: we're looking for. Medically qualified to use that term on

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Speaker 6: the radio? Is that right?

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Speaker 3: Tom? Correct? Happy with Tom.

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Speaker 6: Look, it's very straightforward. So all these samples are they're

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Speaker 6: whizzing around Australia. They're going to where they get tested

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Speaker 6: and that test. And I think we say this a

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Speaker 6: lot in healthcare now and there's a lot of people

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Speaker 6: influencers telling you how you know what you can do

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Speaker 6: to save your life. This literally saves people's lives. And

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Speaker 6: I think that we need to encourage each other not

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Speaker 6: to worry about the messiness or the awkwardness of doing it.

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Speaker 6: We need to talk to whether it's ourselves, whether it's

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Speaker 6: our family, parents, loved ones, partners, that this is something

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Speaker 6: so simple that you can do that will change many

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Speaker 6: people's lives. We know if we can take the number

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Speaker 6: from forty percent to sixty percent, that's eighty four thousand

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Speaker 6: lives that we can save. But what's happening on July

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Speaker 6: first is very exciting for this room. From forty five,

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Speaker 6: we are now eligible. So they are dropping a.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they want it.

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Speaker 6: From forty five yep. So the new evidence has come out,

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Speaker 6: the guidelines have come out. I knew you this morning,

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Speaker 6: just got that good news. You're forty five in September,

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Speaker 6: forty five in July.

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Speaker 3: Give it.

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Speaker 6: I'vee in having it for the last thirty five years.

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Speaker 2: Have given me one right now, and you can take

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Speaker 2: a sample with yet right now, and I'll just no, no,

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Speaker 2: but I'm serious, please, because I'm rich. This is really

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Speaker 2: sad for me to say, I'm forty seven, I have

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Speaker 2: not done one yet, and it is it is sad.

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Speaker 6: Well, it's not necessarily you're not there yet come July first,

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Speaker 6: and this is how science works. But until July first,

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Speaker 6: you're okay. But July first, we drop it to forty five.

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Speaker 6: You're now in the category that we know should be

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Speaker 6: doing this test.

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Speaker 3: So does that mean we're going to get it in

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Speaker 3: the mail.

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Speaker 6: No, so from forty five to fifty you have to

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Speaker 6: go on and register to get it sent everyone from

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Speaker 6: fifty yet you get it automatically sent for people that

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Speaker 6: have a family history. And I have a unfortunately a

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Speaker 6: strong family history about cancer in my family. I lost

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Speaker 6: an auntie and other close members of my family to

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Speaker 6: bout cancer. So I've actually been tested since the age

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Speaker 6: of forty. I can tell everybody. You know, it's not

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Speaker 6: as scary as it seems.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not a scariest death.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, well I haven't done that one.

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Speaker 4: No, but you know what I mean, Like we keep

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Speaker 4: talking about Oh, let's not talk about it, it might

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Speaker 4: a bit messy. Well what's the alternative?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and I we've spoken to some survivors.

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Speaker 6: The Get behind A campaign is a road show going

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Speaker 6: around Australia with a trailer to try to get some

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Speaker 6: of our communities that are even lower than forty percent,

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Speaker 6: So some of our indigenous communities, some of our non

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Speaker 6: cultural divide. You know, we don't fully understand it. You

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Speaker 6: can imagine what it's like for them, so they get

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Speaker 6: behind A campaign is driving around Australia to get more

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Speaker 6: and more of these communities to talk about it and

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Speaker 6: to start doing the test. But you know, feel free

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Speaker 6: over the dinner, say able, let the next picnic at

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Speaker 6: the barbecue.

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Speaker 3: Just start talking about it, get involved so people do

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Speaker 3: the test. Roch fantastic message.

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Speaker 5: Can you stick around because whenever you come into the

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Speaker 5: studio we get calls, people want to ask you questions.

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Speaker 2: Christian Marss and Park you have the floor. The doc

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Speaker 2: is all yours.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks guys. Hey doctor Chris, just just a question

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Speaker 7: some advice. I'm thirty four years old, stuffle with hair

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Speaker 7: lies starting to affect my self confidence and I just

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Speaker 7: really want your advice around. Is the reward worth of

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Speaker 7: risk with all the medication that's out there? Should I

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Speaker 7: look at getting some of the medication that's aligne.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean well, my first bit of advice is

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Speaker 6: to make sure, no matter whether it's to do with

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Speaker 6: you are getting your information from online, that you also

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Speaker 6: need to be talking to somebody that he's qualified and trained.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of the reason why male patent baldness

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Speaker 6: and hair loss is to do with hormones and genetic factors,

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Speaker 6: and so there are some medications out there that can

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Speaker 6: help try to slow that down. There's also a lot

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Speaker 4: They're just taking the money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you would say, I mean, I've heard of some

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Speaker 5: treatments like monoxidal could be one. I mean, who knows.

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Speaker 5: I've got a mate who's on that and he's looking

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Speaker 5: really good at the moment. It's quite a bit long

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Speaker 5: and needs a tidy out there.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely working.

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Speaker 6: Has he been putting it on his back.

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Speaker 4: And here around the around.

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Speaker 5: But I think for Chris, I mean, if you're looking

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Speaker 5: for a case study, Chris, it can be effective.

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Speaker 6: Look, there are there are treatments that do work for

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Speaker 6: some people. There's also other, you know, approaches that you

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Speaker 6: can take lifestyle changes. But I do I think with

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Speaker 6: anything you need to be making sure that whether it's

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Speaker 6: one of the ones online, you do need to get

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Speaker 6: the medically trained world to give you the feedback they

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Speaker 6: might say, yes, this is a good chance, let's to

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Speaker 6: see how it works. There is good evidence behind it.

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Speaker 6: But I think the one thing that I try to

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Speaker 6: get people to understand more and more is that knowledge

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Speaker 6: and good knowledge in healthcare is the most valuable thing.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Chris, there's.

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Speaker 2: Long term use of products like this scare you don't

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Speaker 2: like that, you just you keep feeding your body this

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Speaker 6: Well, I think that there has been a complete shift

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Speaker 6: People are constantly striving to, you know, find what it

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Speaker 6: it's weight loss. I mean, there's obviously huge conversations around

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Speaker 6: that we can try to do to prolong our life longevity.

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Speaker 6: And I think that what we need to understand is

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Speaker 6: that in some circumstances, there's medications or there's substances that

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Speaker 6: have got a long history of being studied and understood

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Speaker 6: and we know what the long term impacts are. There's

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Speaker 6: We don't have that type of long term evidence and

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Speaker 6: scientific rigor that we need behind these.

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Speaker 1: Hello Kim, Hey guys, so my past dates and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to convince him like long term, like it's

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Speaker 1: not good for him. So I was just wondering if

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Speaker 1: prove to him that it is quite harmful for you.

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Speaker 6: So spot on, it's not good for him. I guess

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Speaker 6: it's it's just the sad reality of humans. We have

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Speaker 6: these problems where yes, smoking starts going down, which I

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Speaker 6: find something to fill the gap. So vapes filled the

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Speaker 6: gap of what we've done in this country really good

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Speaker 6: job of reducing cigarette smoking. We know that's very bad

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Speaker 6: for you, increases your risk of multiple different conditions. Vaping

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Speaker 6: is exactly the same. The difference with vaping is that

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Speaker 6: we've seen cases of fairly acute lung injury that puts

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Speaker 6: people in ICU, really the young injury. When I say injury,

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Speaker 6: basically it creates leaky lungs and they drowned from the

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Speaker 6: inside and it's an extreme inflammatory response. Vapes have got

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Speaker 6: a huge amount of chemicals in them, like lots of chemicals,

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Speaker 6: and even these ones that are saying it's natural and

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Speaker 6: it tastes like this, and I don't know. You can

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Speaker 6: get watermelon sunflower flavored. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: So what makes them better, better or worse than cigarettes?

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Speaker 4: If you're saying that vapes are full of chemicals.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people say they're worse. Oh really, particularly

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Speaker 6: know that the injury that it can cause and those

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Speaker 6: impacts are very similar. So it's the new problem. That's healthcare.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 6: I mean that was that was wild. That's not happening now.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, roch to you. Good Kim. I hope that helps.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Kim. You might get a little bit of

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Speaker 3: a stool sample in the mail too.

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Speaker 5: Don't send you, No, you don't, don't send it to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I could see sending stool samples to liver fee.

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Speaker 3: I'll just I'll just swab your mouth.

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Speaker 2: There, we got that comes out of that mouth. For

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Speaker 2: Love you Rich, thanks for coming in brother.

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