1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's bloody Harps and Tiff talking over. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 2: The top of me. 3 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: What's you just another day, Just a monday, Just a Monday, 4 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,079 Speaker 1: Doctor Mark Cowen, who was recently on the show, and 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: you all went, oh god, he's good, get him back. 6 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: And but of course we're not recording two episodes in 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: one day. We're definitely not doing that because that would 8 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: be deceptive height tiv. 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 2: He is good, though, isn't he? He is good? 10 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: What do you like about him? What do you like 11 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: about the good doc? While he's sitting in the top 12 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: left square on my. 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 3: Screen, I just like how different, you know, like down 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 3: to earth but smart and I don't know, there's just 15 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 3: such breadth to everything that he talks about. 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: He's not too fancy. He's like an academic ug boot. 17 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: You know, he's just comfortable, the academic ug boot. 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: He's like an academic ugboot. You can just slip into him. 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: It's just bloody comfy and he makes you feel warm. 20 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: You know. 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: He's familiar and a bit wooly. I'm not sure what 22 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: that last bit means. I'm not sure that last bit. 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Good mate, welcome back to the show. 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: How are you? I'm going to use that on my bio. 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: I've been you can just the academic ug boot. That's it. 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: You're welcome as long as you put a tiny little 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: asterisk with a ch next to it. Yeah yeah, copyright mate. 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 1: Last time you were here I introed you when we 29 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: spoke about this kind of mission statement that's on your website. 30 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: I just repeat it, Ibridge advanced science and ancient wisdom 31 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: and offer simple, practical solutions that help you. And there 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: was five key things. One finder fun to make sense 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: of life. Three master your mind and body for tame 34 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: your toxic load. I'm interested in that, and five live, happy, 35 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: healthy and long. So we've done the first two. We're 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: going to lean into the last three. Number three is 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: mastering your mind and body. And of course, for those 38 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: who didn't hear the first one, have a listen and 39 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: then come back to this or vice versa. But the 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: doc is not only a medical doctor, but he's also 41 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: got a PhD in Chinese medicine and engineering electrical and 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: computer systems engineering, so you know, it's a little bit 43 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: other than that fuck, although I mean really other than that. 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: Nothing. He's a dumb ass, but look he comes cheap, 45 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 4: so here he is, So let's talk about See no 46 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 4: one else says that to you on a podcast. Bro, 47 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 4: Let's talk about number three, which is mastering your mind 48 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 4: and body. 49 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 5: When I saw mastering, I'm like, he's mastering a good 50 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 5: goal or is perhaps coexisting harmoniously with my mind a 51 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 5: better goal or a better I don't know. 52 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: Can we master our mind? 53 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 3: I think we can absolutely All right, let me go, 54 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: I'm pack it well. I think the mind is a 55 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 3: great servant but a terrible master. When your mind masters you, 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 3: then you know, you end up with mental health issues 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 3: because you can second guess yourself, you overthink. 58 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: So I think you need to master your mind rather 59 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 2: than having your mind control your life. 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 3: And the same with your body. You need to be 61 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 3: the master of your body. And and whether it's how 62 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: you move or what you eat, or the joy that 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 3: you get from your body is it's one of the 64 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: great you know, the great things we do in while 65 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: we're alive is we have this body and we live 66 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 3: in the world. So I think we do need to 67 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: master our mind and body, and not that we have 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: a mind. We are not our mind. We have a body, 69 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: we are not our body. So it then gives you 70 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: this meta level to live through. 71 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, this which my listeners hate me talking about metacognition 72 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: and that better awareness and met it. My PhD is 73 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: met e perception trying to understand how others see you 74 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: all that. 75 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 2: That's like, the funny thing about. 76 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: Trying to master your mind is you've kind of got 77 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: to understand your mind to master it. And then how 78 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: do you understand your mind when the tool that you're 79 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: analyzing your mind with is your mind? You know, it's 80 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: a mind fuck. It's like you're trying to the thing 81 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: you're trying to understand. You're looking at with the thing 82 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: that you're trying to understand. 83 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: So so my approach to that is trying to turn 84 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: your mind off. And one of the things to both 85 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: master your mind and body is, and I'll get a 86 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,679 Speaker 3: bit esoteric and spiritual here, is to really get into 87 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: stillness by turning your mind off and actively doing nothing. 88 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 3: And you might you might think you're doing nothing. People, 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: what do you do on the weekend? I did nothing 90 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 3: on the couch watching epix? But doing nothing is actually 91 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 3: a spiritual indebt of it. And you might think you're 92 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: doing nothing, but there's always less you can do. Wow, 93 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 3: if you look at these ancient practices. I mean the 94 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: practice of yoga was I mean yoga physical arsenal, you know, 95 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 3: yoga postures was really to cret a comfortable seat so 96 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 3: then you could meditate. And when you meditate, the aim 97 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 3: of meditation is to turn your mind off, so you're. 98 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: Actually not thinking. It's from that position of not. 99 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: Thinking and not and being comfortable still that you get 100 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: the greatest movement and activity. And that's also in a 101 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: lot of Eastern philosophies, whether it's martial arts, but also 102 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: in juggling in ballet, you get the greatest movement from 103 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: the stillest point. So your physical center of gravity is 104 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: just below your navel. They call it the dunti en 105 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 3: naval and the pubic bone. 106 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: And that's the point where if you shove a spear 107 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: through someone, they'll spin. 108 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 3: Or if you know, that's the point where a ballerina 109 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 3: will get held up, or an acrobat will spin around, 110 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: or a juggling point still so they can juggle all 111 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: the things in the air. That's the point where a 112 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 3: martial artist will move from to kick and punch and 113 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 3: be active. So have the greatest still point. It gives 114 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: you the ability to have the greatest resilience and the 115 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 3: greatest flexibility of movement. 116 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: So cultivating a still point, and that's. 117 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: Both in mind and body, that gives you that meta cognition, 118 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 3: that meta analysis of you know, when I'm in movement, 119 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 3: where am I moving from? 120 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: You know? Who are you when you're totally still? 121 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: And there's a lot of ways to get to that 122 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: still point, and I find that the best way to 123 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: get to the still point is actually through activity and 124 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 3: then come back to stillness. And again, I mean yoga 125 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: is a great example where you'll do a yoga class 126 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: and you'll stretch one way, you'll stretch the other way, 127 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: and then at the end of the class you'll do 128 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: a shavasena, the relaxation, the corpse pose, and you can 129 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: go into really deep stillness because you've exercised. If you 130 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: just went to the start of the class and did 131 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: that corpse pose and tried to still, you wouldn't get 132 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: that same stillness. So it's by having getting that activity 133 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: out of the way and go into the extremes of activity. 134 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 3: And again, and yoga you've got to be you don't 135 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 3: just stretch, you go to the extreme point of that stretch, 136 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 3: to the point where if you go a bit further, 137 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 3: you're going to hurt yourself. You have to stop yourself 138 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: and know what is your limit, and that physical limit. 139 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: Then once you know the edge, then you can find 140 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 3: the middle. And that that works with physical exertion, works 141 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: with hot and cold. You know, you go to a 142 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 3: saud in a nice ba. If you get to the 143 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: point where you're either so hot or so cold, you think, hey, 144 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 3: you know, I need to get out. Yes, and after 145 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,679 Speaker 3: you've done that, and I see a lot of practices 146 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 3: don't talk about this, and I'm one of the ones 147 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: always emphasized you need to rest afterwards after you've done cold, 148 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 3: you know, and just doing hot or just doing cold 149 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: isn't as good as doing both. So do hot and 150 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: then cold. But then you rest, and because you've done 151 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: the hot and cold, your body can come back into homeostasis. 152 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: You know, that's a biological principle. Homeostasis is when you 153 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 3: know you have a constant internal environment where you can 154 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: have stillness in the midst of environmental activity and uncertainty. 155 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: So cultivating that helps you master your mind and body. 156 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of ways. 157 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: You can master being still, but it's really setting aside 158 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: time to. 159 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: Actively do nothing. 160 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: And I find so many people in the modern world, 161 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 3: you know, they're always doing something. And now we've got 162 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: phones and people just doom scroll on their phones if 163 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 3: they're people don't be bored. When I was a kid, 164 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: you know, in the sixties and seventies, you know, there 165 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 3: were times when we were just bored and we just 166 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 3: had to be with ourselves, you know, looking up at 167 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: the sky and watching the clouds or whatever it was. 168 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: But cultivating that stillness is actually a really high level 169 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: of mastery, and that's confirmed in all my research into 170 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: ancient you know, meditation traditions and spiritual traditions and martial 171 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: arts traditions. Of cultivating that stillness gives you that mastery 172 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: of the both mind and body. 173 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: It's like being busy as a badge of honor these days, 174 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, the busy badge. 175 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: How are you busy? What's going on? Busy? 176 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: Everyone's busy. It's like that's like scoring social branding points. 177 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: And if it's you don't want to say what are 178 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: you up to? Nothing? Because that's bad. You can't say nothing, 179 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: because that's that's a negative. 180 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: I like to you to extremes. I like to be 181 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I love to be busy. I want to 182 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: be fully engaged and use my whole capacity. So you know, 183 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 3: we talked, I mean last time, we talked about having 184 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: a capacity that matches or having a challenge that matches 185 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: your capacity. That means if you're actually trying to deal 186 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 3: with everything, but alternating that. 187 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: With being just totally in the moment and doing nothing. 188 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 2: I think last time I also talked about what we're 189 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: talking about, being preser but also the future. Happened to 190 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: be content but also not happy, you know, trying to 191 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: change things. And it's this dialectic, this dilemma of being 192 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: really busy at times but also having other times when 193 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 2: you can just absolutely do nothing. And when I say 194 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: doing nothing, there's not just lying on the. 195 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: Couch just you know, yeah, it's like how little can 196 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 3: you do? 197 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: And going into that. 198 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 3: And there are practices, whether it's breathing practices or doing 199 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: hot and cold or yoga, where you can actually reduce 200 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: your heart rate, you can reduce your respiratory rate, you 201 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 3: can turn off your monkey mind, so you can actually 202 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: really get into physiologically doing nothing as well as mentally 203 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 3: and in terms of activity. And that's actually a really 204 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: deep practice and the more you can master that that, 205 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 3: the more you can actually do when you're busy, and 206 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 3: the more productive you're going to be when you're busy. 207 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 1: A friend of mine told me years ago, Doc, maybe 208 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: twenty years ago, twenty five, Tiff, could you do me 209 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: a favor and find out when the Power of Now 210 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: came out? I think it was maybe mid to late 211 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: nineties to read the Power of Now by Khattai, which 212 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: of course you know. And I remember I read about 213 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,599 Speaker 1: five to ten pages. I'm like, this is fucking mumbo jumbo. 214 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: This is such bullshit, pseudo whatever, spiritual psycho babble. And 215 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: I put it away and I came back to it 216 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: about five years later, I don't know significant time later, 217 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: and I just picked it up again because so many 218 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: people had said, oh it's incredible. I'm like, I don't 219 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: give it another go. And I started reading it. I'm like, 220 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is brilliant. How long has this 221 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: been around? And it was funny, the same guy reading 222 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: the same words. But I was something had shifted in 223 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: me and the thing that didn't make any sense made 224 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: all the sense. So got an answer TIF ninety ninety seven, 225 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: ninety seven, Yeah, Yeah, yeah, so that's what's that twenty 226 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: seven years ago. But that idea, thank you, that idea 227 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: of like being the observer of your thoughts, like, you know, 228 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: the awareness of everything I'm not you know that I'm 229 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,959 Speaker 1: like what what? Well, if I'm not my thoughts, who 230 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: is or what is the observer? Like what is the observer? 231 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: Where the fuck's he? Or is it a he? Maybe 232 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: it's not a he. Maybe it's just awareness. 233 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 3: Well, you can't actually be totally in the moment and 234 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: be thinking. Thinking is in the past or the future. 235 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: I've got a I've spent thirty eight years writing my 236 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: first poem I ever wrote. 237 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 3: It took thirty eight years to write and with a 238 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 3: very dense poem about Chinese cosmology, Western physics, thermodynamics, mindfulness. 239 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: And it's now a children's book called Bing and Bang Begin. 240 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: But there's a lining there. It goes through nothing, everything, something, 241 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,119 Speaker 3: anything and thing, king and thinking. 242 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 2: There's a few lines there but says. 243 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: Thinking can never know, can actually never be in the now, 244 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 3: to just be in the moment. 245 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: Thinking doesn't know how over the past and the future. 246 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 3: Thinking has free reign, but the present is not part 247 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: of thinking's domain. Wow dilemma because when you're in the present, 248 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 3: you're not thinking. You're either in the moment or you're 249 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: active at doing nothing. And it's when you're thinking, it's 250 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 3: either you're thinking about something that's happened or something that 251 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: will happen. And this is this dilemma we keep on 252 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 3: coming back to, where how can we be fully present 253 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 3: in the moment but still have ambitions for the future 254 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 3: and still beforeward thinking. And I think totally he really 255 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 3: made ancient philosophy popular by bringing people back into the 256 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: moment because our society goes through this pendulum swing of 257 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: we have to be busy, we have to be engaged, 258 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: and that's that's how we rate ourselves of how busy 259 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: are we have, which money we're making, how much activity, 260 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 3: and what have we accomplished and not realizing that by 261 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 3: actively doing nothing and accomplishing nothing in that moment is 262 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: a great accomplishment. 263 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 2: M Yes, and. 264 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: Back to just quickly met a cognition is like starting 265 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: to become aware of your own thoughts and then getting 266 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: curious about your thoughts. Why do I think that, Why 267 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: is that that thing happened? And my story about the 268 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: thing is this? Where did that story about that thing 269 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: come from? And does that serve me or sabotage me. 270 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: Well, that's when you start healing back the layers of 271 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 2: who you are. One of the things actually that really 272 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: changed the trajectory of my life. 273 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: I was in thirty medicine ninety eighty four, I think 274 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: yea eighty four. I was in thirty medicine and we 275 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: had this lecture on primal therapy, which is when you 276 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 3: do a regression back to birth and you realize all 277 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: the you know, the birth trauma that you have and 278 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: for most people of earth. 279 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 2: Is traumatic, but how that actually affects your life? 280 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: And I came up with a model then, and actually 281 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: it was because of doing that that I did an 282 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: honest degree and that honestly we end up doing Chinese medicine, 283 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 3: and that set of a whole trajectory. But the idea 284 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: that when we have situations we can't deal with, especially 285 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: as an infant or as a child, that sort of 286 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: ossifies part of our sort of closes a system, and 287 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: we do that to protect ourselves, but then that closed 288 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 3: system dominates our thinking for the rest of our life 289 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: unless we unpack it. And that's when when you do 290 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 3: this metacognition, you're saying why do I think that? And 291 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 3: then you go back to a past trauma or a 292 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 3: past event that actually set your thinking in stone. And 293 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: when you can unpack that, you become more flexible and 294 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: it opens up unconscious. You can make unconscious processes more conscious. 295 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 3: That then gives you greater flexibility, because when you're dominated 296 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 3: by unconscious processes, you're rigid and you think you don't 297 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: have control over what's going on because it's not conscious. 298 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: So it's a process of I'm healing me young and 299 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 3: going back to why you're thinking that, what happened in 300 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 3: my life that made me do that. 301 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: And unpacking that with patience. 302 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: Often you'll talk to patients about when did you stop 303 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: enjoying life or what traumas did you have, and then 304 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: you can analyze that and realize that traumatic event really 305 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: set the whole trajectory that ended up as a physical illness. 306 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really powerful. That metacognition is actually a really 307 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: powerful process. 308 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very high level self awareness, you know, self reflection, 309 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: self awareness. All right, So we're not going to get 310 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: through all three, but that's all right. So last time 311 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: we did find the fun and make sense of life. 312 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: Today we're going to do, which we're just mastering your 313 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: mind and body. Let's talk about tame your toxic gload. 314 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: So what do you referring to when you say, I'm 315 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: sure it's not one thing, but many things. 316 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: What is toxic load? 317 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 3: So we have exposed to so much toxicity in the 318 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: I mean our body makes toxins, I mean metabolic waste 319 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 3: products and they have to excrete. So a lot of 320 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 3: our organs, you know, liver and kidneys and sweat, and 321 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: you know, we excreet toxicity. But there's and I break 322 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 3: everything to five and we can talk about that. But 323 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 3: there's a lot of toxicity we're exposed to with different 324 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 3: types of toxicity. 325 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: So that's a lot. 326 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 3: There's a lot of chemical toxicity, and that's in our 327 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 3: air and our water and our food, you know, in 328 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: our environment everywhere. There's electromagnetic radiation, there's biological toxicity mold 329 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: and all those sort of things. 330 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: There are different types of toxicity. Then there's the dose, 331 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: like how much do you get? 332 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 3: And in the last probably fifteen years, we've learnt a 333 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: lot about endocrine disruptors and how you can have very 334 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 3: small doses have. 335 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 2: Very large effects. 336 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 6: Live shalats, yeah, thalates and the whole range of endochondras 337 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 6: suffers a pfas and all the perfluorinated compounds and brominated 338 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 6: compounds and all the xeno estrogens, so you know, very 339 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 6: very small doses and even heavy metal with mercury and 340 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,239 Speaker 6: things like that, a very small dose on lead can 341 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 6: have a very very big effect. 342 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 3: The type of toxicity, the dose, the timing of when 343 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 3: you're exposed. If you're exposed as an infant or a fetuses, 344 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: has a much more long lasting effect than if you're 345 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 3: exposed as an adult. 346 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: Then you have the combination, you know, the cocktails. 347 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 3: Because they when they look at toxicity in the lab, 348 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 3: they look at one chemical at a time. They don't 349 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 3: look at the chemical cocktails that we're exposed to. And 350 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 3: everyone has a unique exposure history based on where you're 351 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 3: born and what you eat, and you know who you 352 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: are and the environment where you live. 353 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: So that that mixture has an effect. And there's there's 354 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:57,959 Speaker 2: something from nothing effect. 355 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 3: You can get two chemicals and individually they don't do 356 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 3: any any damage, but when you put them together they 357 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: actually do damage. 358 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 2: That's the something from nothing effect. And then finally there's luck. 359 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: And the luck of who are your parents, and what 360 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 3: are your genetics and where born and where do you 361 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: live and where have you traveled in your life because 362 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 3: there's environmental disasters and you know, industrial accidents and even 363 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 3: natural you know, toxic from you know, readular's radioactive elements 364 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 3: in the well in your water well or arsenic or 365 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: whatever in the natural environment and the industry that you're 366 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 3: living around all have into play into our toxic exposure. 367 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: So you know, it's the type, the dose, the timing, 368 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: the mixture and luck impact on our life. And that 369 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: toxic load that we build up over our life has 370 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 3: a huge influence on what disease we're going to get, 371 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 3: how healthy we are, our capacity to enjoy life, and 372 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: how long we're going to live. 373 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: And there's a lot of things we can do to 374 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 2: reduce those things. 375 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 3: Through being conscious of our choices of you know, what 376 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,159 Speaker 3: we're going to eat. And I've done research. Two thousand 377 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: and eight, I think we publish a study that showed 378 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: just one week of eighty percent organic food will reduce 379 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: your pesticide load by ninety percent. 380 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 2: Wow. 381 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 3: And that was all phosphate pesticides. And that's again of 382 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: phosphate pesticides with a newer nobly. They're neurotoxins are based 383 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: on nerve gas, but they replace the organo chlorine pesticides, 384 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 3: which are that soluble. 385 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: They're really hard to get rid of. But they're goano 386 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 2: phosphate pesticides. 387 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: They're more toxic, but they're water soluble, so eventually you 388 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 3: pee them out. So if you struck put them in 389 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 3: your body, after a week, ninety percent of them are gone. 390 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: So that so there are ukn make choices to reduce 391 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 3: your your toxic load and enhance excretion, so you drinking 392 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: good water and sweating and using your body and having 393 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: herbs that will stimulate your liver and your kidneys to 394 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: excrete things. 395 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 2: So there's a lot we can do to reduce that 396 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: toxic load. 397 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: And we talked about having those unconscious processes conscious and 398 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 3: then you actually get more flexibility in your life when 399 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 3: you reduce the toxicity in your body and your toxic load, 400 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 3: your physiological unconscious activity becomes more responsive, so your mitochondria 401 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 3: work better, you have more energy. 402 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 2: You actually you get more enjoyment from life, and your. 403 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 3: Pain levels go down, your disease levels go down, inflammation 404 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 3: goes down. 405 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 2: So toxicity is a major influence. 406 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 3: And when I did a deep dive, and I've got 407 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 3: lectures on this, and it's really depressing when you start 408 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 3: researching it. It's really like I got depressed for quite 409 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: a few years because I went I really researched all 410 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 3: those different elements and you realize the ocean, I mean, 411 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: some fascinating stuff. 412 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 2: So there was one study they did on. 413 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 3: Whale ear wax. So apparently whales have ears and they 414 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 3: don't clean them. So after you know, whale come with 415 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: eighty years and they end up with the big long 416 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 3: candle of wax in their ears. And that wax is 417 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: like tree rings because it gets laid down each year, 418 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 3: and wax is by substance, so whatever's toxicity in the ocean, 419 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 3: it gets laid down. 420 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: So they can look at the history of the. 421 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 3: Toxicity of the oceans because whales travel over vast areas 422 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 3: of ocean, and they can see that the level of toxicity. 423 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 3: And what they notice is that a whale, just like 424 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 3: a human infant, will get a big dose of toxicity 425 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: as an infant when they're breastfeeding, because when you breastfeed, 426 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 3: you're actually getting the concentrated toxicity, if that's soluble toxicity 427 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 3: from your mother. 428 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 2: Into the infant, and then it continues. 429 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 3: Then you get exposed through the environment, and they show 430 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: that the oceans have become much more toxic over the 431 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 3: last eighty years, and this whale ear wax is one 432 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: of the measures they can actually look look at that. 433 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: That's buddy, that's incredible. 434 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: Well all right, what about what about It's going to 435 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: sound weird, but toxic people or toxic workplaces or like, 436 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: I feel like being around some people is bad for 437 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: your health, not not just mentally but also physically. 438 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 439 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 3: I mean there's that sort of truism in popular culture 440 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 3: saying you are the average of the five people you 441 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 3: spend most time with. 442 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's true. 443 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 3: You can actually if you're around toxic people, negative people, 444 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: and you know you know who they are in your life, 445 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: they actually have a huge impact on you. So surrounding 446 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: yourself by positive people, people who are on the same 447 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 3: wavelength of you, people that make you feel good. And 448 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 3: again it's my focus on focusing on fun. You want 449 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: to be around people who you enjoy being around, who 450 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: you laugh with, you can who you learn with, you 451 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 3: can share with, and who you don't have to put 452 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 3: up a front and be someone else. With you, so 453 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 3: you can be your totally natural self. And if you're 454 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 3: a lot of people in their work environments, they can't 455 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: be their natural self. Yeah, they have to put on 456 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 3: a work suit and I work face and be around 457 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: toxic people and often in toxic industries as well, doing 458 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: jobs that they don't it's not about their passion. It's 459 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 3: just about getting a paycheck. And even that's toxic. Just 460 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 3: working in a dead end job or a job that's 461 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 3: not aligned with who you. 462 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 2: Are, that in itself is toxic. And being around people 463 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 2: who are toxic to you. 464 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: Has an impact not just on your enjoyment of life, 465 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: but your physical health, your mental health, and your longevity. 466 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: Yeah. 467 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And conversely, tif dogs and cats are therapeutic, aren't 468 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: they They're healing. 469 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 3: Because you don't have to have to be anyone else 470 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 3: with your dog. You just be yourself and your dog 471 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 3: will love you for who you are and the best 472 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: and yeah, you can ensure you. Dogs make you happy 473 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 3: and and I mean there's all the touch and the 474 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 3: you know, the tactile sensation and that. 475 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 2: Positive regard that you get from the dog and the 476 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: fact that you have to. 477 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: Look after them and be of service and being of 478 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: service is actually a great positive action in the world 479 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 3: because it gives you purpose. 480 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 2: So looking for animals there one hundred percent. 481 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: I feel like just like being around some people is 482 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: literally I mean, there's there's been research showing that like 483 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: being around some people can suppress your immune system like 484 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: like yeah, because you know, and increase corters old and 485 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: adrenaline and sympathetic nervous system action and all that stuff. 486 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:53,640 Speaker 2: What about. 487 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: Stimulants and booze and drugs in general, Like. 488 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: What what's your mean? 489 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: I know that's a very vast playing field and there's 490 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: a million different drugs, and what do you tell people? 491 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: Because we live in a culture that is pretty heavily 492 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 1: I was going to say, focused on, not focused on, 493 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: but connected to booze. Like we're coming up to Christmas 494 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: as we record this, there's going to be a lot 495 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: of booze going on at most Christmas lunches and dinners. 496 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 3: Civilization has been built on sugar, caffeine, alcohol, right the drink, I. 497 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: Mean, tobacco as well, and other things. 498 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 3: And if you look at the whole history of civilization, 499 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,120 Speaker 3: it was all about the spice trade and getting drugs 500 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: and opium and tea. I mean, tea and caffeine. At 501 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 3: the whole East India Tea Company, it's all about tea 502 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 3: and it's all about drugs. Drugs are essential part of 503 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 3: who we are as humans. Yeah, but I think the 504 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: way that our culture has developedn't Isn't that actually healthy? 505 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: And you look because and you look at that, I mean, 506 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 3: most people aren't healthy. We have the huge range of 507 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: chronic disease. Sixty percent of the population have chronic disease. 508 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: And you know, sugar, alcohol, and caffeine drive society. So 509 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: we have a caffeine in the morning to hype us up. 510 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: We have sugar to keep us active during the day, 511 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 3: and we have alcohol in the evening to calm us down. 512 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: And when you have it like that, it's actually not 513 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: healthy at all. And I'm a big fan of me. 514 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 3: And I'm not anti alcohol or you know, caffe I 515 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 3: mean personally, I don't drink coffee. I just don't need 516 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 3: the stimulation. I hype enough as it is. I have 517 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 3: alcohol rarely, certainly not every day, maybe once a week 518 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 3: I have a drink. But I'm certainly not against alcohol, 519 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 3: but I'm not a big proponent of. 520 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: It and sugar. I don't have refined sugar in my life. 521 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 2: But I love you know, I love sweet things. 522 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 3: But in Chinese medicine you say you want to balance sweet, salty, spicy, sour, 523 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 3: and bitter, So how do you balance those tastes in 524 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 3: your life? And so having sweets important, but you want 525 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,880 Speaker 3: to balance with and most people actually don't have enough 526 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 3: bitter in their life. 527 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: And if you don't have enough bitter, you'll crave sweets. 528 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 3: And a lot of people get there bitter from coffee 529 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 3: and chocolate, not from herbs. 530 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 2: So a lot of people they. 531 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 3: Think they love coffee, and I mean they do love 532 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: coffee and chocolate, and you do sweeten them, but they're 533 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: actually craving the bitters. And if you have enough bitter, 534 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 3: you actually reduce your sweet craving. So there's some elements there. 535 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: But coming into the holidays, yeah, I mean alcohol is 536 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: a it's alcohol is directly toxic to every organ in 537 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: your body. As a medical student, came up a mnemonic 538 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 3: for alcoholic liver disease, and m the moonic was basically 539 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 3: the whole alphabet. Every letter of the alphabet is one 540 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 3: of the signs and symptoms of alcoholic liver disease. 541 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 2: So it's directly every organ in your body. 542 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: And that's not to say that you should never have it, 543 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: but to have a society that's based on it, like 544 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: you know in Australia, like any local town has a 545 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 3: pub and maybe you know it's something else that the 546 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: pubs like the center of the of the town and 547 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: of our civilization has been built on this. 548 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 2: Depressant. Yea depressant, and that's that's played out. I'm used to. 549 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: I don't know the latest STATFU. 550 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 3: When I was in working in the hospitals used to 551 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 3: say forty percent of all hospital emissions were alcohol related. 552 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: Wow, it might be more than that now and. 553 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: That includes you know the pfos. What they could used 554 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: to do a PFO was piston fell over, you know 555 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: in the emergency department. That's a PFO piston fell over 556 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: on a Saturday night. But you know, whether it's some 557 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: car accidents, alcoholic liver disease, obesity, you know, all the 558 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: all the sequeally of alcohol is really dominating our health system. 559 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 3: So alcohol can be it can be great, but it's 560 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 3: not something to have to overdo. 561 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: But but it's part of it our culture. I mean, 562 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: as a. 563 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 3: Doctor, I still do a little bit about doing that 564 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: three hours a week in medical practice, and I prescribe 565 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 3: medical cannabis and that can be again everybody, but can 566 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 3: be a game change for the people, certainly for sleep 567 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: and inflammation and pain, and there are certain conditions that 568 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 3: it can be grateful getting off everybody. But I'm not 569 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 3: against drugs, but I do think there is a you 570 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 3: need to use them very consciously and not as a habit. 571 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 3: As a habit. If you're if you're habitually using stimulants 572 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: or depressants, then you're really got a question. 573 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: You know, how do I have? Who am I? And 574 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: how can I find stillness and happiness without that? 575 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: If you depend on drugs for your your mental health 576 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 3: and well being, then we actually in trouble. 577 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: So if it's just dount of interest, because I've never 578 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: had any drugs and I've never been drunk, so I'm 579 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: the world's most boring man. 580 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never had go through life not being dream 581 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 2: that's that's no. 582 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: I've never had a glass of beer, never been drunk, 583 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 1: never been high. So CB d oil is that's am 584 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: I right saying that's the non psychoactive THHC is the 585 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: psychoactive bit and CB so cb D oil doesn't get 586 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: you high. 587 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: What is it is? It mainly for inflammation reduction, or. 588 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: It's for lots of things. You can think of it 589 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 3: as like really good fish oil. Like it's an oil 590 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 3: that I mean, you have an endocannabinoid system in your 591 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: body and the oil matches that, so we actually have 592 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: a system in our body that is receptive to that. 593 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 3: So it can help with inflammation, it helps with mood stabilization, 594 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 3: it can help, it helps with so many things. Again, 595 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: it's not for everybody. But it doesn't get you high. 596 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: You won't you don't get stoned off CBB right. And 597 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: it's funny because in Australia and I just got back 598 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 3: from Europe, and in Europe and England and in Americas 599 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 3: and three times in America this year, you can buy 600 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: it over the counter, and there's all these health products 601 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 3: and supplements and even topical skincare that have CBD in it. 602 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 3: In Australia it's only on prescription, so as a doctor 603 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 3: I can prescribe it. You can't go to the health 604 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 3: is stored by CBD products, whereas you can in a 605 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: lot of the world. So it's really funny how drugs 606 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: are regulated in different societies and how those societies adapt 607 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: to that. But you can go to any bottle shop 608 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 3: and buy as much alcohol as you want, which alcohol 609 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 3: is psychoactive. You know, you being is a psychoactive state. 610 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, so CBD is. There's always no downsides to it. 611 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 3: You can't overdose, it doesn't have serious side effects, it 612 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 3: doesn't really interact with other drugs, and it can have 613 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 3: a great benefit, but it's restricted in terms of you 614 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: need a doctor to prescribe, and there are different doses, 615 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: and there's different formats and now there's you know you 616 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 3: can there's inhalers, there's vabes, there's oils, there's gummies, there's 617 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: all these different dosage forms. 618 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 2: There's topical patches and things, and it can. 619 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 3: Be a game changer for a lot of people, but 620 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 3: the bureaucracy makes it hard to access at the moment. 621 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 2: So weird, so so weird. 622 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: I'd love to do I'd love to do a show 623 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 1: one day where we talk about all the the drugs 624 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: or substances or treatments that you think should be legal 625 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: that aren't and why. Anyway, Hey mate, it's always good 626 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: chatting to you. I appreciate you tell people how to 627 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: find you and follow you and connect with you if 628 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: if you're interested. 629 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 630 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: So I have a website Doctor mark dot com, Dr 631 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 3: M A r C dot Co. 632 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,800 Speaker 2: I'm actively a little bit on Facebook and LinkedIn. 633 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 3: I have a company, Extremely Alive, which makes probiotic kombucha 634 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 3: vinegar and herbs and Manuka honey. And one of the 635 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 3: things I do with my products, like I have all 636 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: these products, but I actually teach people to make themselves. 637 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 3: And maybe we can talk about that another time where 638 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 3: you where you know. I love making really high quality products, 639 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 3: but I don't want to have them every exclusive. As 640 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,760 Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of wellness very inaccessible to people. 641 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 3: So I'll always have a product ruck and I'll teach 642 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 3: you how to make it yourself at home for free. 643 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:29,000 Speaker 2: Wow. Fan of empowering to their own horrible business man? Yeah, 644 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: well again kidding. I'm only kidding. I mean, I'm not. 645 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 2: I've never been focused on business. 646 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I do businesses because I have a 647 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 3: water filtered business because I just wanted people to have 648 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 3: good water. And I created this kombuchi company each USA 649 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 3: Vinegars because I wanted to make the world's best drink 650 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 3: for myself and I had a friend who had an 651 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,560 Speaker 3: incredible kobucia company that I did research on and showed 652 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 3: we did the first ever clinical. 653 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 2: Trial of kombucha. 654 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 3: Wow, so extremely A live is our is our brand 655 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 3: where we've just started off. We've just created ox Wolves, 656 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: which are kimbucha, vinegar, honey, manuka honey and herbs and 657 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 3: we've just launched in But again, we'll teach people to 658 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 3: make it themselves. 659 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: This is ancient medicine. 660 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 3: It's not difficult, but a lot of that knowledge has 661 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 3: been lost. So I'm about empowering people to do good stuff. 662 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 3: So yeah, find me on my website, reach out. I'm 663 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: happy to converse with people. 664 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,800 Speaker 1: They will say goodbye here, but as always, mate, brilliant, 665 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, appreciate your time, my pleasure. 666 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 2: Great Thanks