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Speaker 1: I'll get a team. It's bloody Harps and Tiff talking

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Speaker 1: over the top of me. What's new? Just another day,

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Speaker 1: Just a Monday, Just a Monday, Doctor Mark Cohen, who

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Speaker 1: was recently on the show, and you all went, oh god,

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Speaker 1: he's good, get him back. And of course we're not

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Speaker 1: that because that would be deceptive. Height tif.

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Speaker 2: He is good, though, isn't he?

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Speaker 1: He is good? What do you like about him? What

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Speaker 1: do you like about the good doc? While he's sitting

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Speaker 3: Screen, I just like how different, you know, like down

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Speaker 1: He's not too fancy. He's like an academic ug boot.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's just comfortable, the academic ug boot. He's

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Speaker 1: like an academic ugboot. You can just slip into him.

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Speaker 1: It's just bloody comfy and he makes you feel warm.

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Speaker 1: He's familiar and a bit wooly. I'm not sure what

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Speaker 1: that last bit means. I'm not sure that last bit.

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Speaker 1: Good day, mate, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How are you I'm going to use that on my bio.

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Speaker 4: I've been called you can just the academic ug boot.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome as long as you put a tiny little

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Speaker 1: asterisk with a ch next to it. Yeah yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: copyright mate. Last time you were here, I introed you

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Speaker 1: when we spoke about this kind of mission statement that's

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Speaker 1: and ancient wisdom and offer simple, practical solutions that help you.

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Speaker 1: And there was five key things. One finder fun to

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Speaker 1: for tame your toxic load. I'm interested in that, and

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Speaker 1: Number three is mastering your mind and body. And of course,

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Speaker 1: But the doc is not only a medical doctor, but

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Speaker 1: he's also got a PhD in Chinese medicine and engineering

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Speaker 1: little bit other than that fuck all though, I mean

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Speaker 4: Nothing. He's a dumb ass, but look, he comes cheap,

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about See no one else says that

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Speaker 1: to you on a podcast. Bro, Let's talk about number three,

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Speaker 1: which is mastering your mind and body. When I saw mastering,

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Speaker 2: I think we can absolutely, All right, let's go. I'm

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Speaker 3: When your mind masters you, then you know, you end

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Speaker 1: sound weird, but toxic people or toxic workplaces or like,

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Speaker 1: I feel like being around some people is bad for

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Speaker 1: your health, not not just mentally but also physically.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's that that's sort of truism in popular culture,

445
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: saying you are the average of the five people you

446
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Speaker 3: spend most time with.

447
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's true.

448
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Speaker 3: You can actually if you're around toxic people, negative people,

449
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Speaker 3: and you know you know who they are in your life,

450
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Speaker 3: they actually have a huge impact on you. So surrounding

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Speaker 3: yourself by positive people, people who are on the same

452
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Speaker 3: wavelength of.

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Speaker 2: You, people that make you feel good. And again it's

454
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Speaker 2: my focus on focusing on fun. You want to be around.

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Speaker 3: People who you enjoy being around, who you laugh with,

456
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Speaker 3: you can learn with, you can share with, and who

457
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Speaker 3: you don't have to put up a front and be

458
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Speaker 3: someone else with you, so you can be your totally

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Speaker 3: natural self.

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Speaker 2: And if you're a lot of people in their work

461
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Speaker 2: environments they can't be their natural self.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they have to put on a work suit and

463
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Speaker 3: I work face and be around toxic people and often

464
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Speaker 3: in toxic industries as well, doing jobs that they don't

465
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Speaker 3: it's not about their passion. It's just about getting a paycheck.

466
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Speaker 3: And even that's toxic. Just working in a dead end

467
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Speaker 3: job or a job that's not aligned with who you are,

468
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Speaker 3: that in itself is toxic and being around people who

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Speaker 3: are toxic to you.

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Speaker 2: Has an impact not just on.

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Speaker 3: Your enjoyments of life, but your physical health, your mental health,

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Speaker 3: and your longevity.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And conversely, tiff dogs and cats of therapeutic, aren't

475
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Speaker 1: they They're healing.

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Speaker 2: Because you don't have to have to be anyone else

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Speaker 2: with your dog.

478
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Speaker 3: You just be yourself and your dog will love you

479
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Speaker 3: for who you are and the best And yeah, you.

480
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Speaker 2: Can ensure your dogs make you happy.

481
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Speaker 3: And I mean there's all the touch and the you know,

482
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Speaker 3: the tactile sensation and that.

483
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Speaker 2: Positive regard that you get from the dog and the

484
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Speaker 2: fact that actually have to.

485
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Speaker 3: Look after them and be of service and being of

486
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Speaker 3: service is actually a great positive action in the world

487
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Speaker 3: because it gives you purpose.

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Speaker 2: So looking at for animals.

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Speaker 4: There one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I feel like just like being around some people is

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Speaker 1: literally I mean, there's there's been research showing that like

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Speaker 1: being around some people can suppress your immune system, like

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Speaker 1: like yeah, because you know, and increase cortisol and adrenaline

494
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Speaker 1: and sympathetic nervous system action.

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Speaker 4: And all that stuff. What about.

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Speaker 1: Stimulants and booze and drugs in general, Like, what's your mean?

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Speaker 1: I know that's a very vast playing field and there's

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Speaker 1: a million different drugs, and what do you tell people?

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Speaker 1: Because we live in a culture that is pretty heavily

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Speaker 1: I was going to say, focused on, not focused on,

501
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Speaker 1: but connected to booze. Like we're coming up to Christmas

502
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Speaker 1: as we record this, there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 1: of booze going on at most Christmas lunches and dinners.

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Speaker 3: DoD Civilization has been built on sugar, caffeine, alcohol, right,

505
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Speaker 3: they're the drink I mean, tobacco as well, and other things.

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Speaker 3: And if you look at the whole history of civilization,

507
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Speaker 3: it was all about the spice trade and getting drugs

508
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Speaker 3: and opium and tea, I mean tea and caffeine at

509
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Speaker 3: the whole East India Tea Company. It's all about tea

510
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Speaker 3: and it's all about drugs. Drugs are an essential part

511
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Speaker 3: of who we are as humans. Yeah, but I think

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Speaker 3: the way that our culture has developedn't Isn't that actually healthy?

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Speaker 3: And you look because and you look at that, I mean,

514
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: most people aren't healthy. We have the huge range of

515
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Speaker 3: chronic disease. Sixty percent of the population have chronic disease.

516
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Speaker 3: And you know, sugar, alcohol and caffeine drive society.

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Speaker 2: So we have a caffeine in the morning to hype

518
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Speaker 2: us up.

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00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 3: We have sugar to keep us active during the day,

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Speaker 3: and we have alcohol in the evening to calm us down.

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00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: And when you have it like that, it's actually not

522
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Speaker 3: healthy at all. And I'm a big fan of me.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not anti alcohol or you know, caffee. I

524
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 3: mean personally, I don't drink coffee. I just don't need

525
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Speaker 3: the stimulation. I hype enough as it is. I had

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Speaker 3: alcohol rarely, certainly, not every day, maybe once a week.

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Speaker 2: I have a drink.

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Speaker 3: But I'm certainly not against alcohol, but I'm not a

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Speaker 3: big proponent of it.

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Speaker 2: And sugar. I don't have refined sugar.

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Speaker 3: In my life, but I love you know, I love

532
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Speaker 3: sweet things. But in Chinese medicine say you want to

533
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 3: balance sweet, salty, spicy, sour, and bitter, So how do

534
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 3: you balance those tastes in your life? And so having

535
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Speaker 3: sweets important, but you want to balance this. And most

536
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 3: people actually don't have enough bitter in their life. And

537
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 3: if you don't have enough bitter, you'll crave sweets. And

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00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people get there bitter from coffee and chocolate,

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00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 3: not from herbs.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people they think they love coffee,

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Speaker 2: and I.

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Speaker 3: Mean they do love coffee and chocolate, and you do

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Speaker 3: sweeten them, but they're actually craving the bitters. And if

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Speaker 3: you have enough bitter, you actually reduce your sweet craving.

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Speaker 2: So there's some elements there. But coming into the holidays, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, alcohol is a it's alcohol is directly toxic

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Speaker 2: to every organ in your body. As a medical.

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Speaker 3: Student, came up a mnemonic for alcoholic liver disease, and

549
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 3: the moonic is basically the whole alphabet. Every letter of

550
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Speaker 3: the alphabet is one of the signs and symptoms of

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Speaker 3: alcoholic liver disease. So it's directly every organ in your body.

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Speaker 3: And that's not to say that you should never have it,

553
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Speaker 3: but to have a society that's based on it, like

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Speaker 3: you know in Australia, like any local town has a

555
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Speaker 3: pub and maybe you know it's something else that the

556
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Speaker 3: pubs like the center of the of the town and

557
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 3: of our civilization has been built on this depressant, depressant,

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Speaker 3: and that's that's played out.

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00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm used to.

560
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Speaker 3: I don't know the latest staff when I was in

561
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Speaker 3: working in the hospitals eased to say forty percent of

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Speaker 3: all hospital emission were alcohol related.

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Speaker 2: Wow, it might be more than that now and that

564
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Speaker 2: includes you know the pfos.

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Speaker 3: What they could use to do a PFO was piston

566
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Speaker 3: fell over, you know in the emergency department. That's a

567
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: PFO piston fell over on a Saturday night. But you know,

568
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: whether it's some car accidents, alcoholic liver disease, obesity and

569
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Speaker 3: all the all the sequeally of alcohol is really dominating

570
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Speaker 3: our health system. So alcohol can be it can be great,

571
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Speaker 3: but it's not something to have to overdo.

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Speaker 2: But but it's part of our culture.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as a doctor, I still do a little

574
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Speaker 3: bit about doing that three hours a week in medical practice,

575
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Speaker 3: and I prescribe medical cannabis and that can be again everybody,

576
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: but can be a game change to the people, certainly

577
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 3: for sleep and inflammation and pain, and there are certain

578
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: conditions that it can be grateful gettings off for everybody.

579
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Speaker 2: But I'm not against drugs, but I do think there's

580
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Speaker 2: a you need to use them very consciously and not

581
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Speaker 2: as a habit, as a.

582
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Speaker 3: Habit if you're if you're habitually using stimulants or depressants,

583
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Speaker 3: then you're really good.

584
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Speaker 2: A question, you know, how do I have? Who am I?

585
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Speaker 3: And how can I find stillness and happiness without that?

586
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 3: If you depend on drugs for your your mental health

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Speaker 3: and well being, then you actually in trouble.

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Speaker 1: So if it's just dount of interest, because I've never

589
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Speaker 1: had any drugs and I've never been drunk, so I'm

590
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Speaker 1: the world's most boring man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never.

592
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Go through life and I've been dragon. That's that's no.

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Speaker 1: I've never had a glass of never been drunk, never

594
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: been high. So CB D oil is that's am I

595
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Speaker 1: right saying that's the non psychoactive THHC is the psychoactive

596
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: bit and CB So cb D oil doesn't get you high.

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00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: What is it is? It mainly for inflammation reduction, or.

598
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: It's for lots of things.

599
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: You can think of it as like really good fish oil,

600
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 3: Like it's an oil that I mean, you have an

601
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: endocannabinoid system in your body and see the oil matches that,

602
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 3: so we actually have a system in our body that

603
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 3: is receptive to that. So it can help with inflammation,

604
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: it helps with mood stabilization, it.

605
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 2: Can help, it helps with so many things. Again, it's

606
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: not for everybody. But it doesn't get you high. You

607
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: won't you don't get stoned off CBB right.

608
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 3: And it's funny because in Australia and I just got

609
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: back from Europe, and in Europe and England and in

610
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: Americas and three times in America this year, you can

611
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: buye over the counter and there's all these health products

612
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 3: and supplements and even topical skincare that have CBD in it.

613
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: In Australia it's only on prescription, so as.

614
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: A doctor prescribe it, but you can't go to the

615
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: health is stored by CBD products, whereas you can in

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Speaker 3: a lot of the world.

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Speaker 2: So it's really funny how drugs are regulated in.

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00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: Different societies and how those societies adapt to that. But

619
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 3: you can go to any bottle shop and buy as

620
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 3: much alcohol as you want, which alcohol is psychoactive. You

621
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: know you being drunk is a psychoactive state. So yeah,

622
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: so CBD is there's always no downsides to it. You

623
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 3: can't overdose, it doesn't have serious side effects, it doesn't

624
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: really interact with other drugs, and it can have a

625
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 3: great benefit. But it's restricted in terms of you need

626
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: a doctor to prescribe, and there are different doses, and

627
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: there's different formats and now there's you know you can

628
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 3: there's inhalers, there's vabes, there's oils, there's gummies, there's all

629
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Speaker 3: these different dosage forms.

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Speaker 2: There's topical patches and things, and.

631
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Speaker 3: It can be a game changer for a lot of people,

632
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: but the bureaucracy makes it hard to access at the moment.

633
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 4: So weird, so so weird.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to do I'd love to do a show

635
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Speaker 1: one day where we talk about all the the drugs

636
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: or substances or treatments that you think should be legal

637
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: that aren't and why Anyway, Hey mate, it's always good

638
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: chatting to you. I appreciate you. Tell people how to

639
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: find you and follow you and connect with you if

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00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: if you're interested.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I have a website doctor mark dot com,

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00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 3: Dr M A r C dot Co.

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00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 2: I'm actually a little bit on Facebook and LinkedIn.

644
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 3: I have a company, Extremely Alive, which makes probiotic kombucha,

645
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: vinigar and herbs and Manuka honey. And one of the

646
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: things I do with my products, like I have all

647
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: these products, but I actually teach people to make themselves.

648
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: And maybe we can talk about that another time where

649
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: you where you know. I love making really high quality products,

650
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 3: but I don't want to have them every exclusive. As

651
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of wellness very inaccessible to people.

652
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 3: So I'll always have a product, right, I'll teach you

653
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: how to make it yourself at home for free.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Fan of empowering to their own.

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Speaker 4: Horrible business man. Yeah, well again, I'm kidding. I'm only kidding.

656
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not. I've never been focused on business.

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Speaker 3: I mean I I do businesses because I have a

658
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Speaker 3: water filtered business because I just wanted people to have

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Speaker 3: good water. And I created this kombuchi company, Easha Vinegars

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Speaker 3: because I wanted to make the world's best drink for myself.

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Speaker 3: And I had a friend who had an incredible kombuci

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Speaker 3: company that I did research on and showed we did

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Speaker 3: the first ever clinical trial of kombucha.

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Speaker 2: Wow, so extremely A live is our is our brand

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Speaker 2: where we've just started off.

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Speaker 3: We've just created ox Wolves, which are kimbucha, vinegar, honey,

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Speaker 3: manuka honey and herbs and we've just launched them. But again,

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Speaker 3: we'll teach people to make it themselves. This is an

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Speaker 3: ancient medicine. It's it's not difficult, but a lot of

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Speaker 3: that knowledge has been lost. So I'm about empowering people

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Speaker 3: to do good stuff. So yeah, find me on my

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Speaker 3: website reach out. I'm happy to converse with people.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: Will say goodbye here, but as always, mate, brilliant, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, appreciate your time, my pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Great thanks