1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the show. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 2: This is a show called Better Than Yesterday, which usually 3 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 2: talks about I don't know, mental health and growth mindset 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 2: and trying to make your life just a little bit 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: better today than it was yesterday, and occasionally the day 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: job of your fearless host myself pops in and I 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: had a day job and it was literally I did 8 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: a lot of research for it, but the actual shoot 9 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: was just one day and that was a real house 10 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: was of Sydney Reunion and heaps of people asking me 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: about it because it's a very noisy show. So the 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: short version is what's that kind of show like? To 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: make intense? The long version and arguably one of the 14 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: most emotional nights of my career. My body reacted in 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: a way which has never happened before, which I'll tell 16 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 2: you about. 17 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: But not before I play some commercials. Be right back 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: get I welcome to the show. 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: This is Better than You Yesterday, making about it every 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: single week since twenty fifteen. My name's Olsha Ginsburg. I 21 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 2: am glad you're here, and a big hello and welcome 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 2: to new people who've arrived for your substack heaps coming 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 2: in from YouTube. Welcome, I guess an algorithm has smiled 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 2: upon me. I don't know your week, but my week 25 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 2: involved watching the response the public response to a television 26 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: show I worked on months ago. It was the reunion 27 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: episode of the Real Housewives of Sydney. Now, this is 28 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 2: something I got asked to do in September of last year. 29 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: I think maybe August. 30 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 2: We ended up recording it in November, so that was then. 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: But then, you know, Christmas Holidays happened, and summer and 32 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 2: then story Club and you know, life just keeps puddling on, 33 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 2: and people are asking about the Real Housewives show and 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: I'm getting my phone's getting texts from people I haven't 35 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: heard it from from a whiley Oh, the promos must 36 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: be on air. 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Oh, I'm back on tell you again. 38 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: There you go. When the show finally aired. 39 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 2: Well, hey, look the old Instagram comments they did fire up. 40 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: Let me tell you because look, reunion episodes always generate 41 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: a bit of a buzz. They are the finale fireworks 42 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: display on New Year's Eve, right, you know, particularly when 43 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 2: the year has been spent putting all the shells in place. 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,239 Speaker 2: Everything either gets tied up neatly in a bow, or 45 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 2: perhaps things get fractured and more stuff falls out. They're 46 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: always really interesting, the reading shows. I've done a bunch 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 2: of them in my previous job hosting a Bachelor franchise. 48 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: Now I've never hidden the fact that I find these 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: kind of shows anthropologically fascinating. 50 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: I am literally David Attenborough of the reality of Tellivision World, 51 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,279 Speaker 1: watching the way that people interact. But instead of whispering about. 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: The mating rituals of native birds, I'm watching incredibly powerful, 53 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: successful women, these unbelievable entrepreneurs in unbelievable clothing discuss who 54 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: or who may or may not have said yes or 55 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: no to someone at something, and. 56 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: It's pretty fascinating. 57 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 2: So when the email showed up asking if I do it, look, 58 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 2: I absolutely said yes, Because in television, an opportunity to 59 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 2: test myself and my skills at this. 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: Level, they rarely come along. 61 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: I'm very grateful to have the flight time that I've 62 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: had at a show like Bachelor to moderate a conversation 63 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: that we would do in the last few seasons where 64 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: we would. 65 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: Do those things live. 66 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: They were really fun and really interesting, and I proved 67 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: to the production that I could handle myself in those 68 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: situations and get great Telly and get good angles and 69 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 2: draw neat arcs and put full stops on storylines and things, 70 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: and they could trust me with that stuff. 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 1: But this show, this is like Olympic level kind of work. 72 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: In the past, the people who had hosted the show, 73 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: Alex Perry and Joel Creasy, they left some magnificent shoes 74 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 2: to fill. I wanted to be sure that I had 75 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: equally excellent shoes. I'm pretty sure I wore Alexander McQueen's 76 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: on the night, and it was really important. 77 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: That I wore a fantastic suit. 78 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: In the month or so that we were doing leading 79 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: up to it, would have monthly production meetings leading into it, 80 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 2: figuring out what we're going to do with the night, 81 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: and I said to them, look, you know, I'm going 82 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: to need a wardrobe budget. These ladies are going to 83 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 2: show up wearing a thirty thousand dollar gown with a 84 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: half a million bucks of rocks all. 85 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Over their bodies. 86 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: When they see me, they need to know that I 87 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: respect the effort they put in, and I have dressed 88 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: for the occasion that they have dressed for it. And 89 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 2: you don't wear a boring suit to a bedazzler fight, 90 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: all right, You want to show up looking like you 91 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: mean business, because you have such a small amount of 92 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: time when people first clap eyes on you for them 93 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: to recognize, oh oh, I see, they understand. And to 94 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: a woman, every one of them as soon as they 95 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: saw me in that suit, which is an amazing one, 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: by the way, as soon as they saw me in 97 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: that suit, they were like, that looks great on you. 98 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: And it made me really really happy, because those sort 99 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 2: of things can buy you so much goodwill, however long 100 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 2: they last. On the show like this, when it comes 101 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: to asking those first questions and trying to get people to, 102 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: you know, maybe stop talking over each other, because that's 103 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: what I really wanted to do on the show like this. 104 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: Why do people watch a reunion show? Why do people 105 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 2: participate in a reunion show? They show up because they 106 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: want to say the things that they haven't yet said 107 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: that you know, we've all had that you leave a 108 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 2: part you have an argument with your partner, you go, 109 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 2: oh fuck, ially said that, that's a really good line. 110 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: I wish I had a chance. And so they think 111 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 2: about this stuff and they want to have a chance 112 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: to say it. But also, if you're a viewer, you 113 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 2: want to have you know, whatever storyline tied up, you 114 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: want to go hang on whatever happened with that, And 115 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 2: sometimes those things can be confrontational, maybe some animosity involved. 116 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: I knew it was going to be a big night, 117 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 2: but as soon as my ask at the couch, it 118 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: was like Dane Gagy in the twenty seventeen stat of Origin, 119 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: Like within five minutes it was people are going over 120 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 2: the try line. 121 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: It was humongous. 122 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: And this is where doing your homework is super super important. 123 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: I hate to break it to your kids, like homework 124 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 2: never stops because you can have your list of questions 125 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 2: that the producers want you to go at. But if 126 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: you don't know all the other backstory and all the 127 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: other storylines and all the other background, if someone drops 128 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: a clanger, like in the middle of stuff and they say, oh, yeah, 129 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: but that time when we were a user and you 130 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: had a thing, you never said da da da, And 131 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: I said, what the time when you so where they 132 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: did say da da da da. Like you have to 133 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: be able to jump on whatever grenade is being thrown 134 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: out there. You can't just not recognize a tangent. 135 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: You need to be able to. 136 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 2: Find every moment because these women, they exist in a 137 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 2: different stratosphere to me. They don't take a plane that 138 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 2: they're laid for, because the plane goes when they go right. 139 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: The kind of energy that they walk around with took 140 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: a lot for me to get up up to speed 141 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: around because they're quite they're genuinely inspiring human beings. 142 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: They're very hard working people. 143 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 2: Some of them have created remarkable businesses, multiple businesses. 144 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: They have built extraordinary lives. 145 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: They are proof that regular humans can achieve very exceptional things. 146 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: But those regular humans have to have a certain kind 147 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 2: of energy to get that shit done. And that's the 148 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: kind of power that they walk around with every day. 149 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: And the thing is they are and they have been 150 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: their whole lives, and this is the show. Really, the 151 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 2: whole format of real housewives anywhere in the world is, 152 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 2: here's someone who's the most beautiful, most powerful woman in 153 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: every room they've ever been in. Let's put them in 154 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: a room with a bunch of other beautiful, powerful men. 155 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: That's the show. 156 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: So when you walk on set, that energy is impossible 157 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: to ignore. Now, Audrey, my wife had worded me up 158 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: a bit. She works on the show. She does one 159 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: of the ladies makeup, so she'd kind of worded me 160 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: up about what to expect as far as the feeling 161 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: in the room. You know, makeup artists a very empathic 162 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: in that way. They can kind of feel the room 163 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: a lot more. 164 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: That's their job. 165 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: But sometimes the way these ladies talk to each other, 166 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: it's almost like my aunt, who was a teacher, her 167 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 2: voice shouted out of the kitchen could stop pool shout 168 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 2: agains from inside the house. You would literally freeze mid 169 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: cannon ball when that tone hit your ears. And these 170 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 2: women have that same energy when they get going. Instead 171 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: of but instead of stopping pool FuMB, they could you know, 172 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: holp a stock price with the right with the right 173 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: word said in the right tone. It was really interesting season. 174 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 2: I find Real House I was a fascinating format as 175 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: it is because it's a kind of world that I. 176 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: Don't live in and I find it really interesting. 177 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: But there was some stuff that we got to do 178 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: in this reunion show which is really fun. We got 179 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 2: to play some footage that people hadn't seen yet, which 180 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 2: was really really cool, and then we also we had 181 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 2: a surprise guest, which was really really juicy. It was 182 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: easily my favorite moment of the night because talking to 183 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 2: the producers leading up to it, it became fairly obvious. 184 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: Is like a lot of the conflict, or a lot 185 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: of the unresolved stuff between the cast was around this 186 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 2: one particular moment, and being good reality television producers that 187 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: we are, they were like, well, I wonder if she's free, 188 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 2: shall we see if she can come? 189 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: So Jackie Gillies is backstage, and I had it back 190 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: there pretty much the whole show. Now, the entire control 191 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: room was very aware, and I let them know, so 192 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: like I've got this. 193 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 2: You know, when I start talking about this, it was 194 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: a certain set of words or when I start referring 195 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 2: directly to this, and I had a keyword in there 196 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: somewhere that's my signal to like, Okay, in the next question, I'm. 197 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: Going to bring her in. So get her really, really ready. 198 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: And she was on standby. 199 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: She came early, she got ready because she knew it 200 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 2: needed to be the right timing. And I waited and 201 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: I waited and I waited, and we got closer and 202 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: I closer. The moment I thought, Okay, it's not going 203 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 2: to get any better. I'm not going to get a 204 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: better chance at this, And I got to do one 205 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 2: of those absolutely fantastic reality television reunion moments where you 206 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: say it was something along the lines of that sounds 207 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 2: really interesting. I wonder what she thinks, let's ask her 208 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: and then boom out she walked. 209 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: It was delicious. It was so good. It was so good. 210 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: But this kind of television, this was really it was 211 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: Olympic level television. There was very surprising footage people hadn't 212 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 2: seen before, genuine human moments. Most of the stuff that 213 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: I did, most of the work I did, you never saw. 214 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: You never ever saw. 215 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: Most of the work that I did was communicating to 216 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 2: the ladies, going, you're all here for a reason. You're 217 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: here to say what you want to be able to say. However, 218 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: if you're talking of each other, I can't use it. 219 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: So I am going to get to you. I would 220 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: like her to be able to have the chance to 221 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: finish what she has to say here, and then I 222 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 2: will be sure to let you say what you need 223 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: to say without being interrupted. And that was basically what 224 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: I did. But of course they caught all that stuff 225 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: out because it's boring. But that's what I did all night, 226 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: all night, just getting in the way between the collision 227 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: of these two huge energies and two huge versions of 228 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 2: the truth or reality really and trying to break it 229 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: down to a second, like, don't lose the intensity, but 230 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: please because that's the other thing with the reality. You 231 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 2: can't lose the intensity, but you can't have them talk 232 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: at the same time because you can't use it. So 233 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: that was mostly what I did. And there was a 234 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: moment that happened because of all that, all that intervening, 235 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: there's a moment that happened off camera which completely took 236 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 2: me by surprise, and I'm going to tell you about 237 00:10:52,880 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 2: that in just a second. Thank you so much for listening. 238 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to tell you about this one thing that's 239 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: never happened in my career before on the night that 240 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: we recorded The Real Housewives of Sitting in a reunion, 241 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,839 Speaker 2: and it's a testament to what I often talk about 242 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: this show. It's very similar to the whole theme of 243 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: this show. You know, how do you make today better 244 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 2: than yesterday? And a lot of that has to do 245 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 2: with what do you do with the emotional energy you 246 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: got running around? And how might you be able to, 247 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 2: you know, maybe reframe things and approach things in a 248 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: better way, And how do you recognize you know, feelings 249 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 2: in your body and maybe notice that just because you're 250 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: feeling it doesn't make it. 251 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: It's real. 252 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:30,719 Speaker 2: All the kind of stuff I talk about all the time, 253 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: and I had to really work damn hard in this moment, 254 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 2: because you know, when I talk on the show like 255 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: what happens if you're not down regulating, if you're not exercising, 256 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: if you're not getting a sleep in, and you're dealing 257 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: with highly emotional situations, where does that emotional energy go? 258 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: What happens to your body if you don't get rid 259 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: of it. Well, in my experience, it's a bit of 260 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: an intimate story because there was a moment about I 261 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: don't know, like an hour and a half in or something, 262 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: when one of the ladies was fixing their hair or 263 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: something and a strap on their frock Busted list are 264 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 2: completely just bespoke gowns I've never been worn by anyone. 265 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: They're held together by barely anything. They're designed to be 266 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: pulled on a person that's already standing up, walk down 267 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 2: a red carpet, and then taken off a person that's 268 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: already standing up while they get changed, and then wear 269 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 2: something else inside so they can sit down. So a 270 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: strap or something busted and a water one of the 271 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 2: amazing water of team jumped on said to fix it up. 272 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: And in that moment, somebody says to the floor manager, Hey, 273 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: can I pee, And the floor manager says yes, five 274 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: minutes though, and like that everyone is out the door 275 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 2: to suck on a vape. 276 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: Or going to have a whey or drink of water 277 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: or whatever. 278 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: And I thought, I'll take this opportunity to so tell 279 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: the floor manager where I'm going, because you always tell 280 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: the floor manager where you're going. I said, look, do 281 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: I have time to go? 282 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: Ten to one? 283 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: Ten one is a television code for I'm going to 284 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: have a wee time to go ten one? Yeah, yeah, 285 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 2: five minutes stops. 286 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: Okay, no problem. 287 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 2: Now it's a bit of a walk from the studio. 288 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: For some goddamn reason, every television and radio studio I've ever. 289 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: Been in anywhere in the world that I have worked, 290 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: the toilet is so far away from the studio floor. 291 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 2: On the microphone, I fucking don't know why they haven't 292 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: got much time. I'll got less than five minutes. And 293 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 2: in the suit that I'm in, I am stitched and 294 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: taped to my eyeballs because when I'm sitting in a chair. 295 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: When you're sitting in a suit, when you're moving from 296 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: side to side, leaning from the ladies over this side, 297 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 2: talking to the ladies over that side, you know, you 298 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: can get all ruffled and the jacket can fly open 299 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: and you can have your flaps hanging out or whatever. 300 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 2: And that's no good because you can't have the water 301 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: of people jumping in every two seconds to straighten you up. 302 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 2: So once you're aligned, they generally tape you in. But 303 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: I managed to free myself and I'm standing there. I 304 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: understand I've got less than three minutes to we now, 305 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 2: and even though I'm busting, I could not beee for the. 306 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: Life of me. 307 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: And immediately I flashed back to a festival I went 308 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: to when I was about ninety and I was kind 309 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: of experimenting with you know, uppers and things like that, 310 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 2: and it was like, I remember that I couldn't. I 311 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 2: really needed to be, but I couldn't. My body wouldn't relax, 312 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 2: And that's exactly what this was. I was so busting. 313 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: I saw I think I could barely wait. I didn't 314 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: think I was going to get the suit open in time. 315 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: But I looked down not peeing, and I noticed my 316 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: hands are quivering, my fingers are shaking, my central nervous 317 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: system is so jacked up, so amplified, running at ten 318 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 2: thousand rpm, just from keeping a handle on everything that 319 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: was happening in this room, that my body was absolutely 320 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: not going to relax enough to a point I could 321 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: do a pee. It just wasn't going to happen. So 322 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: I zipped up a hot foot at it back to 323 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: the studio, and that is the first time in my 324 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: life that's happened, and it gave me a moment to 325 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: reflect on probably the part that made the jobs so challenging. 326 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 2: What was so challenging about it was absorbing all the 327 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: energy and trying not to be affected by it so 328 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: that I could keep a calm tone, make my questions direct, 329 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: make sure I made great moments happen on camera, make 330 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: sure everybody there got a chance to say what they 331 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: wanted to say, and try to diffuse conflicts where I 332 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 2: could to, or at least make it to the point 333 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: where we could use whatever we were getting on camera. 334 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: But all that energy had to go somewhere. Every time 335 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: those energies from my other couch kind of collided in 336 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: front of me I had to jump between. It turns 337 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: out all the energy my body is where it went. 338 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 2: I had so much cortersol, so much adrenaline in my 339 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: body when I got home that night, it took me 340 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: a really long time to relax. I was very lucky 341 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: that Audrey worked on the show as well, that reunion show. 342 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: She did my makeup, which was fantastic. So I got 343 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: to so I had this really grounding presence of my 344 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: wife there, and the day before in rehearsal, Wolfgang was 345 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: on set with us. It was super dupicol and those 346 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: sort of things really really helped. But when I got home, 347 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: oh fuck me. I think I was in the Saunatl 348 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 2: about one am, and it was just so fascinating that 349 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: simply sitting in a room with people who are in 350 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: that kind of conflict and that energy, that energy went 351 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: into my body and it was intense. I couldn't relax 352 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: enough to pee and I couldn't sleep for hours. That 353 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 2: blew my mind. It absolutely blew my mind. I was 354 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 2: doing a lot of down regulating. Like I said, they 355 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: cut a lot of the stuff that I did out 356 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 2: and fair enough to but if you were to see 357 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: your master cut and master wide shot, you would see 358 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: me doing all of my size, all of my breathing, 359 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: all my box breathing. I would have seen my feet 360 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: and my quads clenching and relaxing as I was downregulating 361 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 2: the whole time because I was trying to keep an 362 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: even voice and an even tone. The real trick, though, 363 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: if you ever find yourself in a situation like that 364 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: where there's just chaos. And I've spoken about this before, 365 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: Race Hu Smith, who's the character in the TV show 366 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,720 Speaker 2: Mister in Between, is written by a bloke called Scott Ryan, 367 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: and I knew a bloke that worked on that show, 368 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: and he was talking to Scott about what makes Ray 369 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: special and that even when raised in a love with 370 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: their situation, he doesn't shout and scream with yell. Scott 371 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: looked at my friend and he said, no, mate, quietest 372 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: one wins. And that's what I tried to do on 373 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 2: the night. I tried to be Ray Hue Smith. I 374 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 2: tried to be Mister in Between. I tried to just 375 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 2: be like, the quietest one wins. If you keep saying, 376 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: let's say Janelle, Janelle, Janelle, excuse me, Janelle, please, Janelle, 377 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: I really want you to be able to have what 378 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 2: you have to say go on to the show, but 379 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 2: I can't use it if you're saying it at the 380 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: same time as somebody else. I'm going to give you 381 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 2: a chance, all right, I promise you. But please, let's 382 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: just hear what she has to say first, and then 383 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: I'll come straight to you. Okay, And wouldn't. 384 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: You know it? 385 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 2: That worked better than anything. But I hope that was 386 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: interesting for you to listen to. I hope you got 387 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: something out of it. I hope you found a few 388 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 2: tips and tricks. Certainly, if you ever need to find 389 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: yourself not being able to we you might understand why. 390 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful I've got to do that show. I'd 391 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: love to do it again, but I'm grateful there's a 392 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 2: year between them. 393 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. I'll see you back here Wednesday. 394 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: Thanks you for listening. 395 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: Mm hmm.