WEBVTT - Australia’s toughest rehab centre: Peter Lyndon James Pt.2 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.960 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:07.840 Detective sy a side of life the average person is 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:11.160 never exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.080 For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.280 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.600 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.200 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.480 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.840 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.520 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.720 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.440 Join me now as I take you into this world. 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.159 Peter Lyndon James, welcome back to part two of my 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:50.040 Catch Killers. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.360 Thank you as you'd be back well. 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.600 I got to say in part one, hearing your story 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.240 in the way you articulate it in so much detail, 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.880 you've virtually took me on the journey you've been through, 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.280 and it's pretty heavy what you've been through. For those 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.600 that didn't hear Part one, Peter told us about his life, 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.840 there was a lot of pain and problems in his childhood, 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:16.040 his parents separated, he ended up in the detention centers 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:18.839 from the age of nine. Basically, and the whole thing, 0:01:18.840 --> 0:01:20.800 all the theme I picked up, Peter. The whole time 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.720 you just wanted to be loved by your mum or 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.919 your dad, and you felt like you'd have been abandoned, 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:29.440 and that put your life on a path that led 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:33.560 to drugs, crime and everything else in between. We finished 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.200 off part one and you were talking about this was 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.080 the moment that, after all this time, twenty six years, 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.200 have been a slave to your addictions and hating yourself, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.720 hating the world, you had an epiphany. I would say. 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:51.680 You described meeting three random people on one particular afternoon 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.600 and all three of them steering you towards God and 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.560 a better life. For whatever reason, that seemed to resonate 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:01.360 with you got you at the right time. Do you 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:02.680 want to take it from there, Peter. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.720 Yeah, mate. So basically, after that encounter with three people, 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:07.840 end up getting home and I and I said to 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.520 the missions, I can't do this anymore, and I just 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:12.920 grabbed my wife or grabbed my kids, chumped in the 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.040 car and we drove around. I ended up booking our hotel, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:18.720 and I just wanted to get away from my house 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.639 and all that crap. And I went to sleep and 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:23.560 I woke up three o'clock in the morning and I 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:27.560 had a dream, I mean my dream, and I heard 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.880 God tell me its Peter, I've got a plan and 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.720 a purpose for your life. And I remember just the 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:38.959 same feeling I felt when I was sixteen in Riverbank. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.120 His presidence was all over me. I wake my messas up. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.200 So I just had a dream from God. You like, whatever, 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.520 that's nice, rolls over, goes back to sleep. But anyway, 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:48.679 when we wake up in the morning, it was a 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.919 Sunday morning. It was actually September the eleventh. But I 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:54.519 said to Missus, I said, we've got to go to church. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.040 She goes what I said, We've got to go to church. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.799 I ain't never been no church. Well I got church. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.079 I had got dressed up, She got dressed ug other kids, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.560 and we drive around looking for a church. And I 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.519 spent there the all day looking for church. And every 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.040 time I put it in a church, I heard this voice, 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.080 not that one. I went to Freeman, I went Armadah, 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.760 went to Golds and there's all these different churches and 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.320 I didn't know which one was which. And then Morley, 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.600 I'll come up and cried Mere Street and Morley and 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.919 I a quarter to five, and I heard a voice 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:21.760 in my head saying that one. So I went up 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.040 walking into this church. Part me car up, walked out 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.200 the front doors, and the kids went that way, and 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.200 we went this way and because I've got this king's 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:30.760 kid's church thinking, and I walked in the second I 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.640 walked in, Mate, I was shaking, crying, and his preacher 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.960 was preaching. He says, how dear that I'm circumcised Philistine 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:39.480 to fire the armies a living God. And I was like, mate, 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.360 And then he gave this older carps and for those 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.360 who want your life to change and come out, and 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:46.720 I made. I was up the front and a half 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.720 a second flat. My wife come with him because she 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:50.560 didn't want to be left in the seat. When I 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.280 asked Christ in my heart, and I'm telling him from 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:55.560 that day forward, I changed. I heard his big voice again. 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:58.160 It says, Peter, I want you to give up everything 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:01.280 you own and follow me. And oh my god, I 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.920 was a mess. I was on bail for handguns powder 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:07.440 part and I nod old drive out a lot all 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.880 this stuff. I literally went out to Ginger and Carrying Park, 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.400 about an hour and a half out of Perth. I 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.560 moved in the carrivan park. I gave away everything that 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.039 I owned, all all the stuff I WoT with drug 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:21.760 buddy and cars and bikes, and I got out of 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.120 the house and I detoxed myself over probably two months, 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.760 and i'd go in down to Perth to go to court, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:29.880 that i'd go back home again and I just slept 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:32.240 and I wrote my first part of my life down 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.440 in dot Point. And anyway, fast forward ay and I 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:38.680 having to go back to jail. I got four months 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.120 in prison, went to jail. I spent a couple months 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:44.400 in Casah Casuna, then went to Carnett And then when 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.839 I was in jail, I felt led to go to 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.720 Bible College. I went to sixteen different schools myself. I 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.080 don't even made grade six. I can't even read running 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.080 writing mate, but I felt I had to go to 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.800 this Bible college. So one particular one stood out. I 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.440 went to start a Bible College, and yeah, I ended 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:03.480 up doing three years Bible College, done for a ministry 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.080 diploma in theology and advanced to Plombing in theology. I 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.560 started a business. When I started a Bible college, I 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:12.560 started doing normal stuff. And three years of Bible College 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:15.400 finished in two thousand and five, and then I've become 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.840 a full time volunteer up at a Kasha prison as 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.640 a volunteer chaplain. I remember the first time I walked 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.520 in a Kaisha prison when I'd seen all these fellows 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.360 I grew up with, and I say, Lindon James, what 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.479 are you doing here? Brother? And I got the keys, 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.599 you know. But I spent five months, five years in there, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.640 three days a week, going around trying to disciple people 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.799 and help them change their life, like they changed mind. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:40.039 But I've seen Casha prison go from four hundred to 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.400 seven hundred prisoners I wrent over over a period a 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.880 few years. Today it's two thousand and two hundred plus prisoners. 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.400 But everything that happened to meet like a child. They 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:52.360 were going in our, in our, in our, in our. 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.719 In twenty ten, I finished the prison and then I 0:05:56.800 --> 0:05:59.000 become a full time volunteer, so I had no income. 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.560 I thought now that I've done twenty six years in 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:04.720 prisons institutions, I've done three years of Bible College, I've 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.240 done five years as a prison chaplain. I wanted to 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.279 try and see how I can put all that to 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:11.839 use and help people change your life in a way 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:14.359 that I could do it, because everything I've seen is 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.479 not working. Everyone is on a different page, the Sites accouncilors, 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.520 the Department of Justice, the government. So I thought, OK, 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.680 I'll buy a house. I spent two and a half 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:27.280 years from two thousand and ten to twenty twelve, floating 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:30.560 around all the different rehabs, taking people to rehabs and 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.280 seeing rehabs take them from an illegal drug to a 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:35.920 legal drug that would take him off the speed, to 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.840 the antidepressants, and dishing out value like lollies. 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.359 So Peter, at that time in your life, like you 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.440 talk the prison and then your studies and then as 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.320 a prison chaplain, and then you wanted to make a difference, 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:53.000 and you're going to we finished off or we talked 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.160 a little bit about how to take the prison out 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:59.120 of the prisoners. Were you seeing the addictions? Like where 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.320 you're steering towards? Is that what you wanted to do? 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.320 You wanted to help people with addictions so you could 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.200 break that cycle. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.640 No, I wanted to do I was trying to work 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:08.640 out what the root cause of it is. I mean, 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.000 why they are like they are. But the addiction is 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.760 just the mask that helps them to copeing to live life. 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:16.640 And so it is the addiction. And so I floated 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.320 down all these different rehabs. I'd volunteer on the streets 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.400 and yeah, I just seen a massive need. I'd take 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.800 them to these rehabs. And like I said, that just 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:27.840 take them from a legal drug to a legal drug. 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.520 They think that Sarah Paks, the metazepine, the value, the 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.840 xanax and all this stuff would help them, but it 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.520 doesn't help them their addicts. I mean, they want the 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:38.400 kick and the chemical. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:40.640 Do you think taking them from the legal drugs putting 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.600 illegal drugs, put them on the legal drugs is just 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:49.040 masking the problem and setting them up to. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.640 We're taking heroin addicts off a heroin and we put 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.920 them a methodone on the box own and we're chaining 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:55.760 them to a chemist and they're going to go to 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:58.160 the chemists every day for the seven dollar dose where 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:01.400 we reduce the crime rate. But we're just legally dishing 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.080 out heroin, right, call it the box, call it methadone. 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.800 Where we're legally dishing that out their teeth, the riding 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.680 their bones, that calcium that live at their organs. I mean, 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.280 there's not one person. I've got one hundred and sixty 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.440 people in Shulam that lived me from one to three years, 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:20.440 and not one person is on any medication at all 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.680 in any way, shape or form. I've got to take them. 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:24.800 I've got to take the medication of to deal with 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.040 the root cause of the issue. 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:31.240 Okay, so that's that's the approach. Okay, Shallam house. When 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.960 did that concept come in that you're going to When 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:36.679 did the name come in? When did it you decide 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:37.440 to set up? 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.520 So twenty twelve, I just spent two and a half 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.960 years doing all this voluntary stuff and I drove past 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.800 bandyat Woman's prison. There was a house for sale, and 0:08:45.840 --> 0:08:47.640 I own my own house. I lived around the corner. 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.600 My wife was running a guarding business, and I went 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.319 to look at this house and I thought, well, maybe 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.920 I could just buy my own house and put fellas 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.760 in that and just do it my way and have 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.920 a crack at it. And so I bought this house 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.680 and I started with a few fellas and I just 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:06.240 started discipling them. But it wasn't until I bought the 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:07.559 house and put the fellows in the house that I 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:12.360 realized that I started to have rules and no phone, 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:18.680 no TV, no blend of work, and by better just evolved. So, yeah, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:19.520 I bought a house. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.960 What you're doing there, Peter, and just so people can understand, 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:26.600 and you lived it, but just breaking it down, You've 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.240 got yourself out of the prison. You've you've broken the cycle, 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:33.439 you've cleared the addiction, you've studied, you've worked in the 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:36.160 worked in the prison, you've seen the house, you bought it, 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.800 and you want to help people break break these addictions, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.480 so you bring them in. And then it was you 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:47.520 were virtually using your experience from your studies and life experience, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:50.400 going Okay, that's not working. We're going to get them 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:51.960 to get rid of their phones. We've got to do this. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.439 We're going to Is that is that? Is that how 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:55.040 it evolved? 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.080 Yeah, but that's how evolved. So I ended up developing 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:02.400 a five stage program over the course of probably six 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:06.560 seven years. But as I developed the stages, you know, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:09.079 I mean it's like stage one, two, three, four, five, 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.760 the numbers grew. I went from four to seven, seven 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.040 to nine, then nine to sixteen, and they and the 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:18.040 systems and structures you need. When you get sixteen and 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.400 then you go to thirty, you've got to change. And 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.800 so the more you get, the more you got to implement. 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.080 So now stage now it's thirteendars late. I've got one 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:29.000 hundred and sixty. 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.240 How did you get those people in the first place? 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:33.360 How did those people come to you? 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.280 I was like the pied pipe. I don't advertise. I've 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.280 never advertised. I just started discipling people. I call it discipling, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.920 and they just kept coming. I've never they just kept coming. 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.440 Discipling in a religious sense or discipling it just in 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:48.600 the practice in a living life. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.080 So originally I called it. Someone says to me, right, 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:53.079 it says, what are you going to call it? And 0:10:53.800 --> 0:10:56.920 I probably shot myself with this football calling it shalom. 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.400 But back in nineteen ninety nine, I was, like I said, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.000 I was doing sixteen days no sleep, looping out. But 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.839 I remember I was walking down Savannahs on the coast 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:07.839 and I walked into the caravan park and his old 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.600 dude there and he had this word shalom on the 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:12.719 on the caravan and he made me a cup of 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:14.920 coffee and we had a chat, but I always maybe the 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.480 name of Shaalob. And two in two thousand and twelve, 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.160 two thy thirteen, someone says, what are you going to 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:22.000 call it? You've got to give it a name. I 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.760 had the name Shalam, So I googled. I managed to 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.040 do it. You googled what does what does shalom mean? 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:30.280 It's the fullness of everything that we as human beings 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:32.840 should a spider be. And so I called the place 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:38.600 Shalom discipleship house, and discipleship and means mentoring. It's coming alongside, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.400 and so coming alongside, I had to teach about it. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.199 You take away their coping mechanism, the drugs and the substances. 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:47.400 They've got to learn how to communicate, express how they feel, 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:52.800 deal with life problems, finances, car, employment, whole heap of stuff. 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:54.920 It's not just a matter of taking away that their 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.960 brains haven't matured properly. My brain didn't mature properly, and 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:00.440 so I just discipled people. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.280 Okay, So it's a complicated situation, isn't And we're speaking 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.480 to people that would not have any experience that what 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:12.079 goes on in these rehab centers, Like do they just 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:14.520 get locked in the room, and yeah, the perception is 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.760 go cold turkey. But there's a lot too, a lot 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.040 to be considered. Can you tell us one story just 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.800 it can be a combination of people that come through 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.280 your program. Just talk us through the stages that someone 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.080 goes through when they're trying to break this addiction in 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:30.040 Shallam House. 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.439 Okay, so we don't actually have one program for everybody. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.600 Everybody has their own program, individual program. And so the 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.920 first stage one and we put four stars next to 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:43.679 their name and they're paired up with another resident and 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.679 that we pair them up because they could be detoxing 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:49.040 off of alcohol or drugs or substantus. And so wherever 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.680 they go they're paired up to stop and picking up 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:55.240 cigarette butts, et cetera. But over that four weeks we 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:58.960 have lots of different departments. Our mentoring department will do 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.400 it with their family history is the mum, dad, brothers 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.199 and sisters, uncles and narnis. They might have four kids 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.480 to the first wife, two kids to the second wife, 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:08.960 and that shows us where all the damage has been caused. 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.480 So you're breaking down a person's life and going literally, okay, 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.760 well look at what you got going on here? Is 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.560 a bigger thing than just the addiction. You've got all 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.800 these issues in your life, and that's the type of 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:20.640 stuff you're looking at. 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.400 Yeah, the whole family. We've got to identify mum and dad. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.520 They've split up when they were a kid, step mom, 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:30.400 and everywhere they've done damage because we need to repair 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:33.079 all that structure, not just the person. When we take 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.320 the person in, we also take on all the family. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:39.320 So over that first four weeks, my counseling department, along 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.600 with my psych we'll map that out. And then I 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:45.920 have a finances team and everyone graduates SHALLYM one hundred 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.360 percent debt free will manage what their finances are. It 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.240 could be a car, they're paying off a mortgage, they 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.760 have loans. We want to freezle them, so we want 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.760 to see what their financial history is. 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.040 Can I just slay you down just on that. So 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.040 I'm seeing that you're looking at. It's not just the addiction, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.559 it's their life, like the home. You might clean someone 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.320 up from heroin, but then they go out and they 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.800 are one hundred thousand dollars to the bank or whatever, 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:12.520 and they're just going to collapse again. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:13.160 So that's great. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.560 It's a holistic approach to helping these people. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.880 That's correact. So you've got the family, then you've got 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.520 the financial situation, and then you've got the general could 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.320 be a car on the side of the road, it 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.360 could be a house that needs cleaned up, something that 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:28.800 needs to be fixed, and put the rest so they 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.080 can focus on the rest of the rehab and also 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:32.760 direction what do you want to do with your life? 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:35.560 So over the first three months we find out what 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.120 do they want to do with their life, We find 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.440 out what their financial history is, what of the general 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.000 stuff is, and all the family where's all the mess 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.360 because generally when they come to us, no one wants 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.200 anything to do with them. They're all homeless, and so 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.560 over the course of the program, when they get the 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.080 Stage two part of the program, which is generally after 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:57.800 three months, every resident is eligible for two days a 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:00.480 week paid work with an employer on the same pages 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.240 of the rehab. And so we have hundreds of employers 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.520 that we interview and we ask the employer to take 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.160 an active part in the residence employment. In other words, 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.400 don't stick them with somebody else who's using drugs and substances, 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.040 don't put them with somebody else where they're doing. We 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.600 want you to put them someone who's going to speak 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.240 life into them. And we can tell when we give 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.320 our residents and we set them about two days a 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.360 week paid work, we can tell if they're putting into 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.920 practice what they've learned by our feedback from the employer. 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.800 And we can also tell if the workplace is having 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.360 a positive negative effect on the resident by their attitude 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:36.000 back in the house. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.400 So the thing you're looking for there, per they're just 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.480 a gain. So I understand that two days a week. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:44.640 After three months they get two days a week, you 0:15:44.640 --> 0:15:48.200 can find them paid work. You've got employers that have said, okay, 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:50.080 we'll take people. It might be a builder, it might 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.600 be a builder or whatever. But you look out that 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:54.960 you don't get a black that's just come off years 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.760 of drug abuse teamed up with someone working in the 0:15:57.800 --> 0:15:59.840 building site that likes a smoker at lunchtime. 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:02.280 We don't have all that. We're pretty strict. 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.200 We make sure filter it through. 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.720 Yeah, so we've got everybody on the same page. 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:08.160 Okay. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.160 So and right from the beginning when they come in 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.720 the program, and we have an extremely strong focus on 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:20.720 reintegration and resocialization, and so our program basically is no 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:25.120 different than you living your life. It's literally it's no different. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.520 You get up in the morning, you cook, you clean, 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.520 you have your breakfast, you do your dishes, you go 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.400 to work. You work from Monday to Friday, nine to five, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.960 and when you come home, you clean your house, you 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.600 do your dishes, and you go to bed. And that's 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.960 our program. We work. We don't sit people in a 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.720 class and filling the floor this head knowledge. We're ninety 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.200 percent of it's just doney paper. You're not going to work. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:47.200 We actually live life together. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.520 And you call it reintegration and resocialization. 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:55.360 Basically, without reintegration and resocialization, rehabilitation doesn't work. 0:16:55.440 --> 0:16:58.280 Okay, breat break that down again. Let's just process that 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:01.680 without without. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.280 Reintegration and resocialization and rehabilitation doesn't work. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:05.879 Okay. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.560 I mean, because you're taking away a person's coping mechanism, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.360 you've got to teach them how to cope using different tools. 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:14.680 You've got to teach them how to hang around geeks 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.639 and normal people doing normal stuff. You've got to condition 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:21.480 them to work Monday to Friday, nine to five, and 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.600 you've got a condition to do normal activities on Saturdays, 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:28.080 like go and kick a ball or play hockey or sports, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.439 or even during the week we go soccer. So we've 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.520 got to do normal stuff. Saturdays Sundays we go to church. 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.919 Now we don't go to one particular church. We go 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.639 to all these different churches. And the reason we go 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.320 to all these different churches is because we have one 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.920 hundred and sixty people, and that shouldn't be one church 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.800 fits all. I'm not going to push religion down people's throats. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:51.919 I don't care if they come in an atheist and 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.960 leave atheists, or come in a Muslim and leave a Muslim. 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.400 There's no relationships at Shalam. But the church side of it, 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.080 we could go one. We could go to Pentecostal church, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:06.040 or you had this other one where they're just up 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.159 on band. They've got this big band going off and 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.120 his guitar and they're sitting on the half around. I think, man, 0:18:11.240 --> 0:18:14.400 don't your face gets out or the following. He could 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:18.200 be one could be Catholic, Anglican, Pentecostal, Protestant. But it's 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.000 not just about the face side of it. What they 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.200 teach is love and honesty and all that. But it's 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.960 not just to me. It's rent it's having conversations with 0:18:27.080 --> 0:18:29.920 normal people. So when we rock up at a bus 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.480 with one hundred people and go to these churches, everyone's 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.920 got to split up and they're going to find a geek, 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:37.840 and they're going to have so much conversation with a geek. 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:41.280 And when they start having conversations with the geeks, they 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:43.040 find that the geeks are just as screwed up as 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.959 what they are, or they've changed their life, I mean. 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.359 And that's why we do lots of voluntary We do 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:52.320 run for a reason, fun runs. We make sure that 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.120 all of our residents come from the back of the pack. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:55.879 We don't want to rent the waste, We want to 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.320 come behind those and supporting them. We do a lot 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.520