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Speaker 1: The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.

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Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years I was catching killers.

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Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a

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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some

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Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: Peter Lyndon James, welcome back to part two of my

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Speaker 1: Catch Killers.

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Speaker 2: Thank you as you'd be back well.

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Speaker 1: I got to say in part one, hearing your story

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Speaker 1: in the way you articulate it in so much detail,

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Speaker 1: and it's pretty heavy what you've been through. For those

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Speaker 1: that didn't hear Part one, Peter told us about his life,

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of pain and problems in his childhood,

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Speaker 1: from the age of nine. Basically, and the whole thing,

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Speaker 1: all the theme I picked up, Peter. The whole time

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Speaker 1: You described meeting three random people on one particular afternoon

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Speaker 1: a better life. For whatever reason, that seemed to resonate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mate. So basically, after that encounter with three people,

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Speaker 2: I woke up three o'clock in the morning and I

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Speaker 2: same feeling I felt when I was sixteen in Riverbank.

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Speaker 2: His presidence was all over me. I wake my messas up.

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Speaker 2: So I just had a dream from God. You like, whatever,

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Speaker 2: I ain't never been no church. Well I got church.

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Speaker 2: But everything that happened to meet like a child. They

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Speaker 1: So Peter, at that time in your life, like you

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Speaker 2: No, I wanted to do I was trying to work

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Speaker 2: We're taking heroin addicts off a heroin and we put

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Speaker 1: What you're doing there, Peter, and just so people can understand,

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Speaker 1: and you want to help people break break these addictions,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's how evolved. So I ended up developing

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Speaker 1: Can I just slay you down just on that. So

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Speaker 2: our program. We work. We don't sit people in a

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Speaker 2: You've got to teach them how to hang around geeks

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Speaker 1: And are you you're following that philosophy and that template

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Speaker 2: just like but it was. It was. It was reintegration

431
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,760
Speaker 2: and resocialization, doing normal stuff, volunteering your time, and not

432
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 2: expecting anything in return, and making a difference in other

433
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 2: people's lives, not being so selfish about what you can

434
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 2: get for your own.

435
00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 1: I get it. But the way I'm looking at the

436
00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,200
Speaker 1: way you're describing it's a very holistic, holistic approach that

437
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 1: you're hitting all the different points. What's the average time

438
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,880
Speaker 1: people go into your program before they come out come

439
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 1: out in a state where they're fit to be back

440
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 1: in society.

441
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 2: They're actually back in society for the day they come in,

442
00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: or from four weeks up they come in. So if

443
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 2: you pitch when a person comes in and there's a skill,

444
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 2: there's one, two, three, four five. When they first come in,

445
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: I take one hundred percent control of their life. I

446
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: work out what their family structure is, I work out

447
00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,439
Speaker 2: what their finances are, I work out what the general

448
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,639
Speaker 2: and alsay what they want to do with their life.

449
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 2: When they get after the four weeks, i've got that plan.

450
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 2: I give them back control nineteen percent. No longer are

451
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 2: they being shadowed. And when they get to stage two,

452
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,680
Speaker 2: I give them back another twenty percent. In stage three,

453
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:26,679
Speaker 2: another twenty percent.

454
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 1: What do they get for stage two?

455
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: Stage two you get two days a week paid work.

456
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 2: You get a home leave every three months, and you

457
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 2: start getting put into leadership positions and stuff. Stage three

458
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: you get to have a phone and you get your

459
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 2: car back. You can come and go off the property.

460
00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 2: You're out extended hours. That's nomal truck a lot of

461
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,639
Speaker 2: it's got more trust and you're in a leadership position.

462
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 2: Stage four. And so every stage you go from two

463
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,400
Speaker 2: days a week, Stage two, three days a week, Stage three,

464
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 2: four days week, Stage four, five weeks, Stage five, and

465
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 2: then you move off site after you stage five to

466
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 2: graduate and give you the idea of the finances side right,

467
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: and when we back out a person's life and we

468
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,440
Speaker 2: actually create a MyGov number for every resident, and over

469
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: the three month stage up to the stage three we

470
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 2: consolidate taxation, superneration, child support, medicare, We put it all

471
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 2: into the MyGov number. We also consolidate all this superneration

472
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 2: from all these different accounts into one account. We get

473
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: everyone's taxation all up to date, so SUUP has done,

474
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 2: taxation has done, is medicare done. And by the time

475
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 2: we get the stage three the program, we hand them

476
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: back the MyGov number and we've literally fixed up the

477
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 2: whole financial history everybody, everybody it comes through Shalom, they graduate,

478
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 2: they all are one hundred percent debt free. We get

479
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: every resident off of centill It within four months. Centrall

480
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 2: it was set up by a government for people in

481
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,199
Speaker 2: short term needs of crisis, not for people to live

482
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: off a bloodshof. But we literally get everybody off essentially

483
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: within four months and all they ever pay is round

484
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 2: the bucks.

485
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: A thousand questions. I've got the finance to run something

486
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: like this, whether it's the finance has come for you.

487
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of volunteer work and that,

488
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 1: but there's costs associated with what you're talking about here.

489
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so people probably would believe the scale of Shalom.

490
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 2: So we've got two centers or two and a half centers,

491
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 2: one in Cavalry, one in Perth, and the Perth is

492
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: split up over probably six and seven different properties, so

493
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty residents. Men's program, a women's program,

494
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: and also a families program. So when girls get six

495
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: months into the program, the children come in and join them,

496
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: and most residents are with us on an average between

497
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 2: one year and three years.

498
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: Okay, long time, in a long time.

499
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Speaker 2: You can't again because you've got you've got to do

500
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 2: the rehabilitation to integration. And the good thing about Shalim

501
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: is I look back at my life and if all

502
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: of those people who had the skills and knowledge to

503
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: help me change my life work together, my life would

504
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,879
Speaker 2: have changed. And well, I've done at Shalom. I'm a

505
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: facilitator of other people's gifts. I have my own child psychologists, psychologists, counselors, psychiatrists,

506
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: and I just facilitate. And the only people I'm missing

507
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,199
Speaker 2: to get on board now is the Justice Department, the

508
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 2: Corrective Services Department and the prison's department. If I can

509
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: get them three on side, I've got the circle and

510
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: I can make a massive differences, not just within the

511
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: prison system and of course system.

512
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: Those three government departments shown interest or is there any negotiations?

513
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, a couple of weeks back, I had the

514
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: Police Commisioner and also the Corrective Services Minister, and I've

515
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: told them what I need on board, and so they

516
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: said they're putting together where I'm going to come in

517
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: and do a presentations, but they're going to get the

518
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 2: Chief Justice. See, we get the Chief Justice and I'll

519
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: just do another presentation to three of them. Hopefully we

520
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: can start with a trial. Every department of Slum has

521
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 2: policies procedures, standard operating procedures where registered Drug and Alcohol

522
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: Agency in Australia, New Zealand and we've been ordered for years.

523
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: We've got extremely high level governance. It's the work site

524
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: for sal whole of Shalom, the officers as well as

525
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: the work truck. So we have departments in the offices.

526
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: Resident Care has four style ID services which gets everyone

527
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: one hundred per points. I have eight IDA it gets

528
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: two staff because most people don't come with an ID.

529
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: The MIGUV department, so we're our own in house sentlling agency,

530
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: so we look after all in centling on site. We

531
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: don't have to go down to the sendling. And we

532
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: also have the medical department which is as registers nurse.

533
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: We have four people there and Finances department which gets

534
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: everyone debt free. We have a program manager which oversees

535
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: all that office and an office manager which sees oversees

536
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: a program manager which oversees those offices. Then we have

537
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 2: a separate department called Shalom Works. We have seventy vehicles, trucks, bobcats,

538
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: so we have a mechanics business. We have a steal

539
00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 2: fabrication business, Hardscape, soft gates, fencing, painting, tiling, bob gating, limestone,

540
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: and we also have an education department, so we do

541
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: a lot of online training for mental health. We have

542
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: teachers that help people go from year nine to year ten.

543
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: We do a lot of online training with aveling helps

544
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,239
Speaker 2: from getting work at the heights and skilled tickets. We

545
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 2: have a labor hire company we have and we use

546
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 2: all these all these businesses. We don't make money. We

547
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: make people.

548
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: That's philosophy and.

549
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: That's something we're not interested in money. And one of

550
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: the challenges that I had being self employed, how do

551
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: you integrate how do you integrate the quality of how

552
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 2: do you integrate business and quality of workmanship while using

553
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: people who come from a drug effective background, who have

554
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 2: no skills. So all my trucks are paid staff member

555
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 2: on it, and then every day we put four or

556
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: five residents to each truck leader, so we could send

557
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 2: out five, six, seven trucks and doing all different types

558
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 2: of tasks. But it's not about making money. It's about

559
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 2: teaching people. They teach him how to tile and paint,

560
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 2: and so we asked the fellows that do a directions

561
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: chat after two months, what do you want to do

562
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 2: with your life? Do you want to be a baller

563
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: maker Tyler Paynter Carvener and for those or you want

564
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: to be an office admin. And so if you walked

565
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: into my office now in that resident care my whole organization,

566
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm not joking Now almost are residents in the program

567
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 2: or were residents in the program. The whole of the whole,

568
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: of the whole of the organization is used to teach

569
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 2: and equip and train the residents to find out what

570
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: they want to do with the live and when they've

571
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: found that, we empower them and get them jobs in

572
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 2: the direction they want to go.

573
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: So you've got one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty

574
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: people in the program at the moment, that's correct. And

575
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: how many people have in the program? How many people

576
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 1: have you got supporting that program working?

577
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 2: What do you mean both roughly supporting?

578
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: You're in the program, but you've got psychologists there.

579
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: They're talking about our chiatrists as the psychologists and the

580
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 2: counselors there, they're obviously not residents, but everyone else is

581
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 2: run by residents who have either been through the program,

582
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 2: or who are in the program. In my offices, I move.

583
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: I've moved my staff around every six weeks, so everyone

584
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: knows everything.

585
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: To get full understanding, is there any government subsidy that

586
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: comes with your business?

587
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, we don't get any government funding. Or we're

588
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: not actually sponsored by anybody. We are a register not

589
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: for profit charity and we're a tax deductible charity. We

590
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: have deja status and all that sort of stuff. But

591
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: I even have a fundrational license where I can do raffles.

592
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: But I've never asked for funding, never asked for a cent.

593
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: I believe. I believe that the residents are where they

594
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: are because of the decisions they made. They're the idiots

595
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 2: that had fun doing what they did, and may I

596
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 2: teach them to take responsibility for their actions and to

597
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: pay for the entirety of their rehab. Right. Okay, every

598
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: resident comes through SCHLAM, they leave one hundred percent debt free.

599
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: They leave with a driver's license to the car. They're

600
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: working full time with the employer on the same page

601
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: of the rehab. Ninety percent of the family relationships have

602
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: been restored. I mean, they're productors and members of the society.

603
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: Cost nobody nothing but you can't do that in three months.

604
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: It's like it's a big job.

605
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got to be a long, long process. How

606
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: many people have you had come through the program since

607
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: it's the inception.

608
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, hundreds hundreds. So we've been we've been keeping stats

609
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: and figures. People say, well, what's a success rate? Well,

610
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: I mean, if I could change one life right and

611
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: zero cost to anybody, what is the success rate? And

612
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: what do you define success? Is that? Is that getting

613
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: them drug free? Will we do that? Is it? Is

614
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 2: it getting them licenses and find well? Do that? Is it?

615
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: Getting an employment educator? We'll do that? I mean, is

616
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: it restored? We do that. We do everything, and we

617
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: don't cost you anything for anything. So you pick what

618
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: you want to define as says, we do all that.

619
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: Some people, some people need the whole program. Some people

620
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: I've seen turn their life around after three months in

621
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: the program.

622
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: Can you give me an example of someone no names,

623
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: but someone that you thought this is going to be

624
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: a tough one, someone that really give us. Give us

625
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: an example.

626
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: Would be a good one for you, And I'll tell

627
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: you his name. His name's Anthony. But when I first started,

628
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: I mean I had a heroin addict who was forty

629
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: years a heroin, and another one who was just like

630
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: molotophic Sue Heroin speed Benzo's alcohol. Then I've got another

631
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: one that drinks hand sanitizer and listerine, and then I

632
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 2: got another one. They spent his whole life in Jarl

633
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: ever since he was a kid, and his standard none

634
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: was running the houses, baseball bat and people and blades,

635
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 2: and he can when he's just and his dad used

636
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 2: to be part of Underworld over wood woop, and when

637
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: he was nine he's seen his dad peing this bloke

638
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: and drop him in a hole. I mean, and his

639
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: whole life is just career. He's a hundred mile an hour.

640
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: He's just like, yeah, it was just a rooster to

641
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: the max. The hardest blake that I ever had, the

642
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: second hardest. But now, I mean he was one of

643
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: my first residents. I mean, he's finished his mature age

644
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: apprenticeship as a plumber, a gasfitter. He's about to get married,

645
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 2: he's got a kid, I mean, and his life was

646
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: completely changed. But he took seven years, and it was

647
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 2: with me for like newly seven years. And when he

648
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 2: come in because he's on all these meth charges. He

649
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 2: had to go back into jail for two years and

650
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: then come back out again, and then I had to

651
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: do more, but took literally seven years. He didn't give up.

652
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: I've got a couple like that.

653
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Speaker 1: Did you What stopped him? When you say it didn't

654
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: give up? You didn't give up on him. He didn't

655
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: give up on himself. What was it that you saw

656
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: in him? Or you don't give up on anyone?

657
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 2: What's I don't give up on anybody. Yeah, I can

658
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: say if you walked him my office, I got about

659
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: fifty staff in one office. You walk in an office and

660
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: I just love my staff. I love my and it's

661
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: what you see is what you get. But I just

662
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: love them to be. It's the atmosphere in there. It's

663
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: all run by people who understand what it's like to

664
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: go through a detox. I mean, you've been for it's

665
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: all lived experience. You're not sitting to sitt next to

666
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: some nineteen year old kid. He's got his counselors to

667
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: forget and pointing out your heart to some bullfed or

668
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: some lady who's just full of unforgiveness bitterness, and she's like,

669
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: my god, I think I need to give her counseling.

670
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 2: Like I said before, I have to interview one hundred

671
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: and twenty people to get one person a counselor, because

672
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: every counselor they're just as screwed up as what my

673
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: residents are, and they all want to be a counselor

674
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: to give out of their own brokenness. Their piece of

675
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: paper means nothing. I'd rather go and grab the unqualified

676
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: and make him qualified, because one hundred percent I want

677
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: to give them relevant. I mean, I'm telling you and

678
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: I was even for six years, I was a mentor

679
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: to a qualified, high profile psyching per and this plate

680
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: was really screwed up, and he's a psych. On a

681
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: flick of a pen, they can lock you up. They

682
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: don't realize these professional, so called professional people, and they

683
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 2: get offended if I say that.

684
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: Whether I'm sitting on the wings while you're saying that,

685
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm not objecting, like I'm hearing what

686
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: you say, and I understand exactly what I say what

687
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: you're saying.

688
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: Horrified. I mean, it's like their pride, who cares if

689
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: I'm uneducated, unqualified? Feel I can run a rehab with

690
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty people and do what we're doing.

691
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: But it's all the edumacicated ones. They won't even come

692
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: near shel on. They're just like, I'm not trying to proud.

693
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 2: We're doing my whole life. We're doing well my whole life.

694
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: I just want to done it and it's working. I

695
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: feel like I found a cure for cancer.

696
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: How does it make you feel as an individual? Like looking,

697
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: because we're in part one, we're talking about how low

698
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: your life got and the things that you've done and

699
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: the guilt that you carry. How does that and I

700
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: can see how animated you are. You're clearly enjoying what

701
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: you're doing now and getting something from it. How would

702
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: you describe what you're doing now? Because you're helping people now? Yeah,

703
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: random acts of kindness can really help you grow as

704
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: a person. How are you feeling as a person all

705
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: the people that you're helping?

706
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: You mean, mums are being mums, they're taking him to daycare,

707
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: they're reading story books at nighttime. You mean, dads are

708
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: learning how to be dad's. I mean, lives are changes,

709
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 2: they're becoming normal people. I got one year one fellow

710
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: essay who works at the mechanics part. I mean he

711
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: probably with his His wife said, sent him a text,

712
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 2: and she goes, I couldn't sleep last night, but I

713
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: want to say I'm sorry for all the times that

714
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: I've judged you, for all the times that I've never

715
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: let you lead the home, and for all the times

716
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: and she just pulled her out and he's just pulling

717
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: his eyes out. Sorry is a powerful word. We've all

718
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: made mistakes, I mean, yeah, and just seeing truth and

719
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: love and apologies and people owning their stuff. I'm in

720
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: a system that's working. There. The rehab system that I

721
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 2: volunteered him for two and a half years is not

722
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: working how it should be. I mean, there's a lot

723
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 2: of people, I mean, and the prison system is definitely

724
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: not working. Don't start me on the prison system. But

725
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: I've worked it out. I've got it.

726
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: Hey, guys, have you ever wondered what goes on behind

727
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: the headlines of a gang war or shooting, then you

728
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: need to listen to crim City. Join crime reporters Mark

729
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: Murray and Josh Hamrahan as they uncover the details of

730
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: crimes unfolding on Sydney streets and share the stories that

731
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: don't make the papers. The latest season of crim City

732
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: is out now listen early and ad free on Crime

733
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: x Plus on Apple Podcasts. Today, I want to read

734
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: this out and get your reaction that Peter's family is

735
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: a drug addict, the thief, the prostitute, the adulterer, the rejected,

736
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: the despise the people society spurn and dismiss. These are

737
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: the people cares for. Is that an accurate description the people?

738
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: Right? If you look back over Shalom's history, when I

739
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: went from when I got up to thirteen people, I

740
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: put in an application to change or change reviews. Now

741
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: I've been going thirteen years. I'm still not legal on

742
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: the right land, but I'm in the Seign Valley. I'm

743
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: on ten acres and I put an applications in to

744
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: get a rehab. No one wants a rehab next door

745
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: to them, and I end up getting caught up in

746
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 2: the courts for five years. I went three times to

747
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 2: the State of Minister Tribunal, then the Supreme Court. Back

748
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 2: to the start. We're not winning, but that five years,

749
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: I end up going to one hundred and forty people.

750
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: I've bought a hundred acre property, tried to put one

751
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: hundred acre property, but the rich people didn't want the

752
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: view spoiled. Now I've had to sell all these other properties.

753
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 2: I've just bought a property ten acres and I've just

754
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: moved in and I have an asked permission. No one

755
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: wants rehabilitation. They think that I'm going to bring the

756
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: pimp and the drug addict, and they're all scared that

757
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm going to decrease their property values. Yet not once

758
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: in Shalom's history in ten years, I've never had a

759
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: police complaint. I've never had the police out to the property.

760
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: I've never had ambulance out. We've never had any problems

761
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: at all in the history of Slam. No rehab anywhere

762
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: in Australia can say that.

763
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: No, well per the right. From my background in law

764
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: enforcement and just knowing the world, like when you're saying that,

765
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking it's quite amazing that you've managed

766
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: to get that sort of response.

767
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: The Police Commissioner wrote a letter to the court saying

768
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: we have never never had an issue. I had a

769
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: problem with Slim and it's history and that's because I

770
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: just if you're going to live under my house, We're

771
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: just we've established the culture of what we would like

772
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 2: as our standard on for the rest of our life.

773
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: I've established the culture of what I my whole life

774
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 2: ever desired. I want people to feel loved. I want

775
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: them to feel valued. I want them to feel empowered.

776
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: And I want them to be good dads and good

777
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: men and good women. I want us to be the

778
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: best us we can be. It's not about religion. It's

779
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: about being the best year you can be. And as

780
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: you be the best year. But if you want to

781
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: tell people about religion, shuch about to live it. But

782
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: as you start being the best you you can be,

783
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 2: the difference that you used to make in people's lives

784
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: is completely the opposite. Now people come to us asking

785
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: for advice. I mean, with all these people who come

786
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,760
Speaker 2: from their backgrounds, they've grown more than their families have grown.

787
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: That's what you want. Be part of the solution, not

788
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: part of the problem.

789
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: You've been there, You've seen a lot of people be there.

790
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: What would you say to the people that have hit

791
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: rock bottom with an addiction? Is there hope for them?

792
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: Because I would imagine there'd be people as we speak now,

793
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: or not imagine. We know there's people sitting as we're

794
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: speaking and they're thinking they've got as low as low

795
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: can be with their addiction and their life. What would

796
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: you say to them? What if? What would be your

797
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: message to them?

798
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: And I know that, I know that, I know that

799
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: there's no person on face this planet who can't change.

800
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: But when you hit the bottom, you've got these options.

801
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: You've got your mum, your dad, your brother, your sister,

802
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: Your brain will never, never take the hard option. But

803
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 2: when all your family members, well, you've got five options.

804
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: Who've got mental health, hospital, hospital, prison, morgue or rehab.

805
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: I know that, I know you can change your life.

806
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: There's no person I've seen through, whether it be heroine, speed, sex, addiction, gambling, addiction, anxiety, depression, PTSD, trauma.

807
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: We take anybody and everybody and they've all changed. Why

808
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: can't you change?

809
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a powerful, powerful message. What's your proudest achievement

810
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: with shell on something up?

811
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm just proud of all all my staff and all

812
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: record my staff, and my residence, our whole place. If

813
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: you came and if you want to do a video

814
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: check and run into a video tour, but it's all

815
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: run by residents of the program. Some have been there

816
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 2: three months, six months, twelve months, two years, but they're

817
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: all putting back, and the hard is to help other

818
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 2: people change their life like their lives have been changed.

819
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 2: It's coming alongside each other, learning from those ahead of you,

820
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: and also grabbing those behind. My proudest moment out of

821
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: my last twenty years is my kids. I mean, I

822
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 2: look at my two sons, Peter, who's my oldest son,

823
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: and his wife Elizabeth Elizabeth. I actually didn't know your show,

824
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 2: but I'm Elizabeth your number one supporter, and she's apparently

825
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: listening to every podcast and she asked me if for

826
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: good mention that.

827
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: But I look at the way over a shout out

828
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: to Elizabeth.

829
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she's a Peter my son. He's CrossFit, is

830
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: big beard, he's twenty eight. He's the most perfect dad.

831
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 2: Everything that I ever wanted my kids to be that

832
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: I wasn't. My son's fulfilling it. Peter and his wife

833
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 2: when they take kids out, everything drops and they spend

834
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: time with their children. He's kind, caring, he's got integrity.

835
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: His other's focus is just Elizabeth, and that's Elizabeth Pete

836
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: and my other son Ryan and Lauren. I mean, they

837
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: both singer as they do a wedding, and he's Peter's

838
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 2: an extrovert and Ryan's and my children. I'm proud of

839
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: my children. I mean, I'm proud of my children putting

840
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: them back into shlum and releasing me to release my

841
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: wife after thirty years winning anniversary this year. I've been

842
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 2: with her thirty six years. She's wangan Hill's country girl,

843
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: farmer's daughter, ducks at school years. Well, I mean, she's

844
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: never done nothing wrong and then she met me selling

845
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: drugs at a pub. Mate. I've slept behind her back

846
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: hundreds of times. I've done all this stuff. I'm proud

847
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 2: of my wife's to support me. I mean, I'm proud

848
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 2: of all of us to make it what it is.

849
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a beautiful story and coming from coming

850
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: from where you start. I'll get in the good books

851
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: with the wife because there was something else and I've

852
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: got it written down here that equated from your page.

853
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: I get the privilege to wake up next to my

854
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: wife on a daily basis knowing that she still loves me,

855
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: and that makes my heart flutter. Oh yeah, send that

856
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: message out to her because she's she's put up with

857
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: a lot with your pleas.

858
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 2: I gaze upon her glory mate, and I tell her

859
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 2: fifty times a week. She looks hot with a different

860
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: tan legs and all these tan marks on a makes flutter,

861
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: covered in dirt and swinging a chainsaw.

862
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: Well, the good stuff, good stuff. And I've got to say,

863
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 1: it's nice speaking to someone that's hit the bottom like

864
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: you did, and someone that's got a positive outlook on

865
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: life and willing to get in there and make a difference.

866
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: And it's a tough gig you got yourself involved in

867
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: because you know an addict, do you trust them? You

868
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: don't trust a word that comes out of their mouth

869
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: to start with. So you're literally turning them into people

870
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: again because they lose that, they stop becoming people at

871
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: some stage.

872
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: And I'd like to say something or the professionals, for

873
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: the psychiatrists and the psychologist, the police and everyone who's listening,

874
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 2: has anything to do with any person like you've just mentioned,

875
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 2: they can change. I know that I know that they

876
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: can change, and I'd welcome anyone to come out. And

877
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to say I'm doing it any better,

878
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: but for that person who's caught up in a ball

879
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: right now and just wants their mum and dad, or

880
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,959
Speaker 2: for that person who's laying in jail and his wife

881
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,479
Speaker 2: stuck out the side of the road because the bat

882
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 2: has locked them up and they can't get them on

883
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 2: his property. Those people really need help. And when you're

884
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: on the drugs and the substances, you do what you

885
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: don't want to do. But unless us professionals all get

886
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 2: on the same page and work together as a team,

887
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: we're never going to make an impact. We need a

888
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: couple aside, whatever. But I know if we just come

889
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: together as a team and work together as one, all

890
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: those together as one, we can make a massive difference.

891
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing it at a scar like that, and I'm

892
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: not costing anybody anything. Why won't that listen?

893
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,720
Speaker 1: I think that's a very important message. If all those

894
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,479
Speaker 1: different sections are operating independently in silos, it doesn't work.

895
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: So you want everyone to come together, working together and

896
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: try and fix these problems. So I think that's good advice,

897
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: And yeah, hopefully people will be listening. But look, I've

898
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: enjoyed there, enjoyed our chat, and thanks so much for

899
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: making the time. And I just want to say to you,

900
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: good on you for the difference that you're making. There's

901
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: not many people that can say that they've had that

902
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: much influence on people's lives, turning people's lives around. And

903
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: I read that quote out because it's a people's society spurn.

904
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: They're the people that it's just a junkie. You know why,

905
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: We've given him a hundred chances, given her a hundred chances.

906
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: You're there helping the people say good on you.

907
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, bless you. I appreciate you, sim and let me

908
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 2: come on really appreciated cheers.

909
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 1: Peter is a bundle of energy and he need to

910
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: be a bundle of energy what he's doing with the

911
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: show on House Rehabilitation Center, and it looks like the

912
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 1: results speak for itself, and it's a tough gig getting

913
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: people away from addiction. What also blows me away about

914
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: Peter is he's upbringing his childhood and what he went through.

915
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: You wonder how anyone would turn out when you've been

916
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: through the childhood like that. And he's just had to

917
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 1: let the anger go and he's turned his life around.

918
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: And I really found it an enjoyable chat and very

919
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 1: interesting what he's doing.

920
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 2: Then at night,