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Speaker 1: This is the fitting in Whip with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: I love a good loophole because you know what, there's

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Speaker 2: a sadistic side to us where we like cheating the system.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't. I couldn't sleep at night and be a

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Speaker 3: petrol I'm being busted.

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Speaker 4: Oh come on, if it's practical and it seems fear

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Speaker 4: in your mind, if you can justify it, then buy

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Speaker 4: all mans run hard.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see this is and we've spoken about loopholes

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Speaker 2: over the years.

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Speaker 1: I get so excited with this. What about the guy

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Speaker 1: that we spoke about.

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Speaker 2: This was a few years ago and he showed us

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Speaker 2: how he makes over a million dollars a year using

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Speaker 2: a simple loophole to beat gambling sites.

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Speaker 1: Now this is with the game of tennis. Have listen

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Speaker 1: to this.

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Speaker 5: Most gambling apps are allow you to bet live in play

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Speaker 5: on the outcome of a single point of game. Courtse

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Speaker 5: I think works by having someone physically at the match

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Speaker 5: to exploit tan delays of just a few seconds between

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Speaker 5: a point being won or lost and the umpire in

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Speaker 5: putting the score to an electronic device. The info from

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Speaker 5: the umpire is transmitted to the book is around the world,

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Speaker 5: so they update the odds on their services.

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Speaker 2: So they were so sophisticated that they would have people

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Speaker 2: physically at the game with headphones on kate or little

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Speaker 2: air pods in or whatever, and as soon as a

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Speaker 2: point was finished, they would get in before the judge

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Speaker 2: would or the ref at the tennis match would declare it.

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Speaker 2: Because as soon as they declare it the ref that

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Speaker 2: means the betting sites can then pay out anyone who's

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Speaker 2: bet on that point. But if you can get in

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Speaker 2: before the ref, you can put a bet on before

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Speaker 2: the ref makes his decision.

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Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, high pressure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it Isney and he was making over million millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars a years.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about flying now, because they've got

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Speaker 1: a couple of here. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: There was a forty five year old woman who booked

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Speaker 2: nine hundred flights between twenty fifteen and twenty nineteen, and

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Speaker 2: she booked these flights without intending to go anywhere, but

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Speaker 2: rather what she was doing was counting on them being

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Speaker 2: delayed in order for her to cash in on travel

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Speaker 2: insurance policies. So she would purchase flight delay insurance. Then

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Speaker 2: she would analyze weather conditions in general flight on time

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Speaker 2: statistics in order to determine.

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Speaker 1: How likely it was that that flight would be delayed.

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Speaker 4: So she must have known the average out of nine

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Speaker 4: hundred of the flights that would be delayed. She's bet

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Speaker 4: on the average of the delay.

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Speaker 3: So this isn't even about flying. It's about gambling.

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Speaker 1: Again, Well, it's about gambling.

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Speaker 4: It's about taking out the insurance on the delay.

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Speaker 1: She made six hundred thousand dollars from it.

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Speaker 4: Wow, okay, let's go flight without paying for it.

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Speaker 2: Let's go closer to home because thirteen twenty four to ten.

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Speaker 2: If you if you've used a loophole, we can change

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Speaker 2: your name. You can do whatever you want. This is

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Speaker 2: jet Star and this is in New Zealand. Have a

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Speaker 2: listen to this. In New Zealand. Man has managed to

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Speaker 2: book fifty eight free flights by utilizing a loophole and

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Speaker 2: Jetstar's beloved return for free emotion two hundred and forty bucks. Right,

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Speaker 2: you could fly from Auckland to Sydney, but on the

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Speaker 2: way back you would get it for free. So it

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Speaker 2: was two hundred and forty dollars to fly to Sydney

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Speaker 2: and then it was for free to fly home. But

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Speaker 2: what this guy was doing, he was booking at paying

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Speaker 2: his two hundred and forty dollars. Then he would ring

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Speaker 2: Jetstar and go I can't I'm so sorry, something's popped

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Speaker 2: up with work. I can't get the flight home from

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Speaker 2: Sydney to Auckland. So they would go, Okate, no worries,

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Speaker 2: we will refund you the money that you paid for

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Speaker 2: your flight, which was.

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Speaker 1: Two hundred and forty dollars.

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Speaker 2: So he would get the flight to go to Sydney, Kate.

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Speaker 2: He would then cancel the flight home.

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Speaker 3: He wouldn't get the flight at all, he wouldn't take

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Speaker 2: No, he would, so he'd fly there. Then what he

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Speaker 2: would do when he got there he got the two

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Speaker 2: hundred and forty dollars credit back. Then he would book

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Speaker 2: the flight to go home again, and then he would

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Speaker 2: get a free flight back to Sydney because it was

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Speaker 2: zero dollars. He did this fifty eight times since twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: He's been flying to Sydney for free from Auckland.

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Speaker 1: And it's a loophole. That's levil with Jesus.

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Speaker 4: I mean, somewhere in the teas and seas is probably something,

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Speaker 4: don't you think where they look at it and it's

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Speaker 4: written in there somehow.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever read the team nobody reads?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, forget about that too boring. But if

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Speaker 4: you get away with it once too, could you imagine

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Speaker 4: the excitement when he pulled it off for the first time?

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Speaker 4: Fits thinking I have just cracked the code. I have

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Speaker 4: I have proven there's life on Mars. Do you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Do you know what he hasn't told others? He's done

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Speaker 2: it by himself, because I'd.

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Speaker 1: Be too excited. I'd be I'd have.

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Speaker 2: Family members, friends, everything flying, I'd book out the whole plane,

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Speaker 2: free flights for everybody.

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Speaker 4: What about the guy? I mean, there's two different examples here.

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Speaker 1: Fits.

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Speaker 4: One was I think the Monopoly story that Matt Damon

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Speaker 4: was in a film which was a hack job too.

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Speaker 4: Was it Matt Damon in the film? And it was McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: It was a document it's actual documentary, true story.

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Speaker 4: About how the letters were getting out in the game

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Speaker 4: of Monopoly and they were selling them and making money.

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Speaker 4: But the other one fits was that family and friends

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Speaker 4: who found out a way of rigging the lotto.

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Speaker 1: System and they would all I.

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Speaker 4: Was about thirty two of them that were in it

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Speaker 4: made win every time and share the winnings.

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Speaker 1: How did you brig lotto?

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Speaker 4: They took them so long to work out what they

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Speaker 4: were doing, but they were cleaning up. They've had one

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Speaker 4: over fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Okay, loopoles. We're looking for loopoles.

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Speaker 2: If you've got one or you know of one, we'd

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Speaker 2: love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: Jerry, Hello, Hey.

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Speaker 6: How you going home?

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Speaker 4: Mate?

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Speaker 6: Well, if you go to the movies and spend a

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Speaker 6: lot of money going to Gold Cars for a nice

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Speaker 6: little date night, you can contact them afterwards and want

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Speaker 6: to know there was a kid crying the entire movie

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Speaker 6: and ruined it for you, and they'll send you new

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Speaker 6: gold calas to get.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's a good one, that your experience was ruined, Sun.

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Speaker 4: I mean that's a little bit like there's a hair

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Speaker 4: and the soup kind of gear, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: It's yeah, it's bad, but you.

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Speaker 3: Don't sound but you don't sound guilty at all the time. No,

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Speaker 3: I know, but no, that's a good loophole, good one.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what? They're not cheap to gold.

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Speaker 4: Class and then you sleep through the movie.

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Speaker 2: Well, that can happen, Jamie, Jamie and s Mary's what's

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Speaker 2: your loophole, Jomie.

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Speaker 7: So, I used to do dowsash and you would go

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Speaker 7: cold shopping and everything to people. And it's a little

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Speaker 7: bit sneaky, but I would collect all fly by points

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Speaker 7: as they would breakfast hostally, I collect everyone's fly by point.

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Speaker 7: But it was pretty handy.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's so, how do you so?

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Speaker 2: Will they just go, oh, look, I do have flybys,

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Speaker 2: but I can't be staffed here whatever, and then you

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Speaker 2: and you can then put them onto yours Jamie.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, basically you just go shopping all for me.

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Speaker 7: You wouldn't have to fly by your own.

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Speaker 4: Happens a lot in businesses too, where the boss of

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Speaker 4: the business will, let's say he's got a bricks business,

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Speaker 4: he'll buy all the bricks we need, five hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: bricks that have put on his credit card and then

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Speaker 4: reimburse himself from the business. But he got the points.

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Speaker 4: One of the great tricks, guys. Yeah, clever, Katie and Penrith.

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Speaker 4: What's your loophole?

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Speaker 8: Hey, guys, So, if you don't have enough money and

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Speaker 8: your cinema is a little dorgy by student tickets by student.

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Speaker 4: Tickets, sure another movie hack, movie.

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Speaker 1: Loop you can do that on the web.

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Speaker 8: Caty, you sure can. And the time they don't pay

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Speaker 8: the student workers enough anyway, so they don't care.

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Speaker 1: You don't feel bad about.

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Speaker 8: Our local cinema. They don't even clean properly.

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Speaker 4: So I feel like Ty's not happy about that. She's

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Speaker 4: declared war against her local cinemas.

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Speaker 2: Usually people feel better when you are being exploited. And

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Speaker 2: you know what, Unfortunately flights have been so expensive lately. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that I'm thinking, if there's any way you can scare

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Speaker 2: yourself a free flight here and there.

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Speaker 1: I'm okay with Hadcake. That loophole.

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Speaker 4: You've got two fits with the tax department, those offshore

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Speaker 4: accounts in the Virgin Islands.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, that's working, really what it's been happening for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: And you know, to my uncle who still lives in

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Speaker 2: the Cayman Island, he's been doing a great job.

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Speaker 1: You've got to love Uncle.

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