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Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigall

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Speaker 1: people of the Uran Nation. Hello, and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: real story. I'm Joe Hildebrand. And He's done it. Albo

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Speaker 1: has done it. He has scored the meeting with Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 1: the Trumpster, the Big t l Presidente. We are going

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Speaker 1: to be devoting our entire show too, Albo's trips to

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Speaker 1: the UN. What is recognition of Palestine actually means, What

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Speaker 1: the government's climate change target actually means? What Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: has said at the UN General Assembly in one of

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Speaker 1: the funniest speeches ever given by a human being of

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Speaker 1: all time.

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Speaker 2: And yes, that meeting, we have finally got it.

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Speaker 3: We're safe, people, We're safe.

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Speaker 1: What a difference, Adams. And Yes, just twenty four hours

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Speaker 1: was all it took for Anthe Albanese's trip to the US,

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Speaker 1: to the UN General Assembly in New York to be

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Speaker 1: from being just an abject, embarrassing, massive public, catastrophic failure

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Speaker 1: on the global stage to the most unimaginable, eye watering

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Speaker 1: success that is more than probably even Albo himself had

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Speaker 1: hoped for. This cannot be overse So firstly, Albo goes

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Speaker 1: to the UN. He knows he is going to deliver

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Speaker 1: a speech about Palestine. There's a forum there on Palestine

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Speaker 1: being recognized. He knows that Australia is going to officially

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Speaker 1: state and formally declare its recognition of a Palestinian state

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Speaker 1: with about one hundred caveats and asterisks. And you know,

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Speaker 1: only if they hold elections and only hasses and involved,

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Speaker 1: and if only if the hostages or return blah blah

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Speaker 1: blahlah blah. Anyway, point bing, there's a statement, it's official,

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Speaker 1: Australia is now recognizing Palestine. That will never happen, by

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Speaker 1: the way, because the US will simply veto it by

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Speaker 1: the time it gets to the Security Council. But whatever,

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Speaker 1: that's now our position. We also know that Chris Bowen

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Speaker 1: is going there to talk about our new climate target

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Speaker 1: and we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya and

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Speaker 2: That's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: And of course he's also bring this is very moving,

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Speaker 1: actually bringing the mother of a teenager who took her

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Speaker 1: this mum to speak to the UN about Australia's world

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Speaker 1: So three pretty big mission statements that he had to achieve,

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Speaker 1: but none bigger than scoring a meeting with Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And this is this is important obviously, because we need

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Speaker 1: to make sure that our most important ally, our oldest ally,

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Speaker 1: is one hundred percent on side. The Azers Treaty is

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Speaker 1: Australia's most fundamental defense cornerstone, and that is of course

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Speaker 1: under review by the Pentagon because of course that's how

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Speaker 1: back PG. Ken and that we are still going full

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Speaker 1: steam ahead with this Orcus deal between US, the UK

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Speaker 1: That doesn't matter. All that matters is that Australia and

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Speaker 1: national security interest that we are lockstep. Because of course

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Speaker 1: we don't know what's going to happen with China, and

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Speaker 1: that has been the problem.

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Speaker 2: As we know.

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Speaker 1: Albo went to the G seven where he was going

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Speaker 1: news though, Australia doesn't get its meeting, and ever since

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Speaker 1: And the more nervous they got, and the more people

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Speaker 1: so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. And then, just

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Speaker 1: He says, ABC Australias. You know, he says, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Now, hey, we're all at this meeting together, and hey,

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Speaker 1: So Albow manages to get a quick one on one

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Speaker 1: I think Australia very few people meeting with Trump, I believe.

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Speaker 2: That they've let in. And that's Canada.

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Speaker 1: That's why Western civilization is going to Canada. Is where

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