WEBVTT - New Faces

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is Show and Tell time. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>time of.

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<v Speaker 2>The week you listen to us talk. Hi, how's it going?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, it's Mail, It's Monty. Thanks for listening into our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're new to the podcast, which I think there

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<v Speaker 1>might be a few newies, which is exciting. Welcome and

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<v Speaker 1>also to our longtime listeners, thank you for listening in

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<v Speaker 1>as per usual. But Mail, let's kick off the pod

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<v Speaker 1>with your random fat of the week.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. Okay, so I saw this on a

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<v Speaker 2>clip on Instagram from a podcast called Wine About It.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the girls was talking about this thing called

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<v Speaker 2>a decidual cast. Have you ever heard of this ever?

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<v Speaker 2>So what it is. It's very rare, but it happens.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a period is when you shed the line

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<v Speaker 2>of your uterus. Yeah, right, And it happens over the

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<v Speaker 2>course of a few days to a week or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>This is when the whole uterine lining sheds at once.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so it's just a one dayer. It's it's but

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<v Speaker 2>it comes out literally like the shape of your uterus.

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<v Speaker 2>The whole lining sheds in one piece. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic, like a hectic qlot like if you're up

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<v Speaker 1>for it, if you dare google it.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. It literally looks like a tongue, A tongue, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like the shape of the uterus is almost

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<v Speaker 2>like that, sort of I guess, triangle shape upside down,

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<v Speaker 2>triangles out like that. Never ever knew about it either.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love that.

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<v Speaker 1>How brilliant to just get it over in one day, done,

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<v Speaker 1>But you would have to just make sure you're home

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<v Speaker 1>at that time. It would be brilliant if you knew. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>at two o'clock on this date, I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>To hop in the shower. Yeah, hopping the shower, blob out. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe what I did?

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like, I feel almost nice. It feel like you're

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<v Speaker 1>after birth, like you know, once you've given birth and

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<v Speaker 1>then your after birth comes out.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't like that bit. Well, it hurt because you

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<v Speaker 2>were still.

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<v Speaker 1>Having contractions, but I liked the feeling of it, like

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<v Speaker 1>sliding out like a gush of meat. Hey, so last

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<v Speaker 1>week I did the Imperfect podcast, Yes You did, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite podcasts with Ryan Shelton Hugh and Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Van Kyle and Berg where they interview just I've mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>it a million times and pointed people to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>a heap of times. But where they just talked to

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<v Speaker 1>often experts or just people about their life. So I

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<v Speaker 1>went on, oh my god, after I did it, I

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<v Speaker 1>have never First of all, I was so nervous doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had nerves like that in my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Ryan's one of my great mates. I couldn't even

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<v Speaker 1>pick up my glass of water on the table because

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<v Speaker 1>my hands were shaking so much, so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>have my hands under the desk.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I think it is. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's because you do TV and stuff and you're fine

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<v Speaker 2>with that. I think it's you were going in knowing

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<v Speaker 2>you were going to be vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally. I felt so vulnerable. And also, like on here,

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<v Speaker 1>I talk about myself a lot, but in my job

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<v Speaker 1>I'm interviewing other people, so it's never just talking about myself.

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<v Speaker 1>When for an hour and a half we covered everything

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<v Speaker 1>from my mum dying me telling my little boy about it,

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<v Speaker 1>to my chronic illnesses to losing your job when I

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<v Speaker 1>fell pregnant, Like, we covered.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything, and they ask just the right questions, just.

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<v Speaker 1>The right questions. Anyway, the feedback I got was so

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<v Speaker 1>out of this world. I said to Sam, I get

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<v Speaker 1>how celebrities feel when they're just bombarded with the most

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<v Speaker 1>epic comments that you would get delusional.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I said to him, I said, I've got to be

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<v Speaker 1>prepared because they just banged out the social clips over

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<v Speaker 1>like four days. I said, I've got to be prepared

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<v Speaker 1>when these comments finish, because I was so beautiful, like

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<v Speaker 1>so many people saying how much they related, saying how

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<v Speaker 1>brave I was, how amazing I was. And I said

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<v Speaker 1>to Sam, this is addictive reading these comments. And I said,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine you were like a maths contestant where you're as

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<v Speaker 1>big as anything for the duration of the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it all fucking stops. Like I get how it

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<v Speaker 1>can mess.

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<v Speaker 2>With your head. Well imagine also it going the opposite way,

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<v Speaker 2>the cat sing and people saying, oh oh my god, Monty,

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<v Speaker 2>like what that's so ship?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fuck you strain whatever, images like that. Oh So,

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<v Speaker 1>because you do. I read them and they made me

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<v Speaker 1>feel amazing. There wasn't one negative comment. It was such

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful space to share. But you're right, if they

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<v Speaker 1>were negative comments, it would have sent me into a hole.

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<v Speaker 1>Because human nature is you can't help but read things

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<v Speaker 1>about you like you just can't. So I was on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram like an absolute fucking demon, just watching the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>go up, watching the comments come in, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is so beautiful, but I have to also have

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<v Speaker 1>a grip on the fact that everyone writes that and

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<v Speaker 1>then they move on where I'm like, oh, I'm excellent.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But it's also just I think it probably would

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<v Speaker 2>have made you feel good too, because it's all that

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of being less alone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's feeling Haunds down to a lot it is. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that it sounds cheesy, but sharing what I did

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling very vulnerable and I spoke very openly about

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<v Speaker 1>my children and their neurodivergency, which connected hugely with so

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<v Speaker 1>many people. It's a very isolating thing, and so to

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<v Speaker 1>have an instant connection, even if it's just a message

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<v Speaker 1>going I totally relate. I'm going through this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Like one of the people in the comments wrote, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like I've found my people in this comment section,

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<v Speaker 1>and that got me because I was like, so many

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<v Speaker 1>of us are doing things like even people writing about

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<v Speaker 1>the grief of how lonely it is and isolating it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and just knowing that you're not alone in those things

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<v Speaker 1>can be really comforting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's easy to forget that other people are

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<v Speaker 2>going through it when you're in it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, when you're often just surviving, you're like everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else around me is fucking thriving. Where this was like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's got their shit, No one's thriving, No one's thriving,

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<v Speaker 1>no one anyway. Going from helping people to the Kardashians.

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<v Speaker 1>So I listened to Chloe Kardashian's got a new podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and she had Courtney on last week. Late last week.

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<v Speaker 1>Courtney does attachment parenting, where if you do that, who

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<v Speaker 1>are to you? Like, kudos to you, that's amazing. I

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<v Speaker 1>do detachment parenting where it's like you're out of the womb,

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<v Speaker 1>You're on your fucking own.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. No you don't, God, you'd make yourself out to

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<v Speaker 2>be an No, I don't, but I very much.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't have a huge amount of patients.

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<v Speaker 1>So just sitting with the kids or playing with the

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<v Speaker 1>kids last about ten minutes where I'm like, Okay, I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>She her little boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Naps for three hours a day, and she just sits

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<v Speaker 1>in the chair and nurses him for his whole n

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<v Speaker 1>app every day.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a level of privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. The whole time she's talking, I was thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>This is so privileged.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything they're talking about was, of course naturally so unbelievably privileged.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be able to sit there because of course

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<v Speaker 1>she's she's got people cleaning her house and making her dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>So to sit there with your baby for three hours,

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<v Speaker 1>hands down privilege. But how fucking boring.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure in that time she's maybe got the baby

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<v Speaker 2>like this, and maybe she's checking emails, and oh she is.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, you can't just be sitting there.

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<v Speaker 2>She's got like.

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<v Speaker 1>A frequency blanket on him. She's got something on her

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<v Speaker 1>phone to science to stop the radiation of her phone

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<v Speaker 1>going to him. She's really fucking right. And also she

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<v Speaker 1>was saying how she goes against the grain with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of parenting stuff. She's like, I will nurse my

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<v Speaker 1>kids when they have a fever. I won't give them

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<v Speaker 1>tile andol or anything. I'm like, that's fucking mean, Like

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<v Speaker 1>if the kid's in pain, you've got to give the

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<v Speaker 1>kid pan at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, I don't want to sound defensive when I

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<v Speaker 2>say this, it's just not understanding or relating to, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>people who were Jehovah's witnesses who don't believe in sort

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<v Speaker 2>of blood transfusions and stuff. So if their loved one

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<v Speaker 2>is in a car accident, for example, and the doctors

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<v Speaker 2>say they need a blood transfusion, the idea is God

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<v Speaker 2>is going to take care of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, right, I think same as scientologists. Remember there was

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<v Speaker 1>something Tom Cruise didn't approve of. Was it Kirsty Ally

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<v Speaker 1>or somebody had to have a blood transfusion or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, I don't know, but the concept of that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get. So like, when your kid's in pain,

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<v Speaker 2>no one wants to just smash their kid with pantol

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever, but I mean you also don't want your

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<v Speaker 2>kid to suffer either.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing. Medication is a really interesting topic when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to your kids. And I just find it

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<v Speaker 1>really challenging when people go against Western medication that can

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<v Speaker 1>help you and hugely help you. And I get it's

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<v Speaker 1>not the first line of contact, especially for your children,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are so many kids out there with such

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<v Speaker 1>hectic anxiety, such hectic ADHD and the parents not coming

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<v Speaker 1>to terms with medicating their kids. And who is suffering

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<v Speaker 1>is the children, and it really upsets me.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many things about that, like that is

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<v Speaker 2>also just a form of shaming. Yeah, like almost translating.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we don't want to do that because and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everyone has their own right to what they think.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that based down the thing I think is really

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<v Speaker 2>an issue when a parent is in denial but there's something,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that needs to be managed in their child,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the child is you know, acting out in

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<v Speaker 2>the classroom and stuff, and it affects everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there was a really interesting clip keeping on the Kardashians.

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<v Speaker 1>The Kardashians stock he treats the Kardashians. It's talking about ADHD,

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<v Speaker 1>which I spoke about on the imperfects that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't found medication that works properly for me. My

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<v Speaker 1>middle child is like chalk and cheese outside of his

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<v Speaker 1>when I can tell in the morning when his medication

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<v Speaker 1>kicks in because it complex doesn't alter his personality in

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<v Speaker 1>any which way, but he can concentrate. His defiance isn't a.

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<v Speaker 2>Full on his karma. He's karma.

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<v Speaker 1>So when he hasn't had it, the teacher can hands

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<v Speaker 1>down recognized because she has to redirect him all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>This doctor was saying with ADHD, it's more damaging to

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<v Speaker 1>not medicate because it is really challenging for children to

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<v Speaker 1>not be able to concentrate, to be really hyperactive in

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<v Speaker 1>their mind. Is it can lead to higher divorce rate.

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<v Speaker 1>These are this is all scientific studying. Stuff can lead

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<v Speaker 1>to drugs, incarceration, all of those are much higher rate

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<v Speaker 1>for unmedicated ADHD people, which is fascinating to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it makes so much sense because it's the impulsiveness,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the need for to get the dopamine that might

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<v Speaker 2>be food, alcohol, drugs, whatever, higher a chance of having

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<v Speaker 2>an eating disorder. It's like all that stuff. And there are.

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<v Speaker 1>Other ways, of course, you can go about trying to

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<v Speaker 1>help this, but he, this doctor is so all about

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<v Speaker 1>natural stuff. This is the guy that pushes saffron for

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<v Speaker 1>to help with depression and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know who you're talking, the bold guy, dtr Armand.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was so amazed when I heard him say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it because I was like, fucking here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I do medicate my children, and it was in

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<v Speaker 1>our first line, but it got to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, my children are suffering so much. This is

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<v Speaker 1>destroying our family and it is absolute chalk and cheese

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<v Speaker 1>between it. But I was saying, how yeah. I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching him and I was like, oh, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>What's he going to be saying natural stuff for ADHD?

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<v Speaker 1>But it was so reaffirming for me as a parent

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<v Speaker 1>who does medicate her kids to go, okay, you're a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor who will always go the natural route, but was

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<v Speaker 1>saying ADHD medication just can be an absolute game changer

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<v Speaker 1>and life changer for.

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<v Speaker 2>Children and with kids too, Like when you look back

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<v Speaker 2>at your own life, my fears are always around like

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<v Speaker 2>wasted potential because it's my thing. I think what could

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<v Speaker 2>I have been? What could I have done if I Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess back then we didn't even know, like it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't even know all the things that we look at now,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for girls and women is so different to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was looked at in this one particular way back then.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just think, and then what happens is that

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<v Speaker 2>that internal feeling you get that you're not keeping up.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's harder for you than it is if you're downe

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<v Speaker 2>it affects your self esteem. Then you don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>take chances because you don't want to look stupid, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it's this flow on effect. So if you can

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<v Speaker 2>manage that while they're young, I mean, oh totally.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the statistics sens like you can't fight against it.

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<v Speaker 1>I also completely understand that everyone is on their own

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<v Speaker 1>journey when it comes to their kids, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>there are other things that you might be doing, So

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<v Speaker 1>please don't take this as a judgment. This is for

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<v Speaker 1>my own opinion. But I also when I see other

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<v Speaker 1>children struggle and the parents so anti medication, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know the difference it made in our family, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that fucking poor kid. I will never forget being at

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<v Speaker 1>Baxter's football when we were testing ADHD medication for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were two parents behind me who were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about ADHD and how their kids have ADHD, and one

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<v Speaker 1>of them said, do you medicate your kids? She's like no,

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<v Speaker 1>I will never and the other lady's like you beauty,

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<v Speaker 1>and they high fived behind me. I never felt more

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<v Speaker 1>judged like a shitter parent and just angry. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's your shit that you're putting on your child, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it was just so icky. I was also

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<v Speaker 1>talking to a friend yesterday who's got neurodivergent kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying, how you know so many people just

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<v Speaker 1>think it's horseshit or so many more people getting diagnosed

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<v Speaker 1>with autism and ADHD, And I said, it makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many people in the world that of

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<v Speaker 1>course we're going to have different wirings of brains. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>do you know what I mean. There's no way we're

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<v Speaker 1>all going to have the same wiring. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>classed as a typical brain, still your wiring's different. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you're neurodivergent, it's different. Again, like no one's completely

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<v Speaker 1>the same, but there are there is a big difference

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<v Speaker 1>between typical and euro divergent. But I was saying, like

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<v Speaker 1>it's more noticeable now because our world is completely not

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<v Speaker 1>set up for neurodivergent people. It's just not it's over stimulating.

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<v Speaker 1>It's at a pace that is completely ludicrously fast. Where

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<v Speaker 1>if we were back in the tribe days, you had

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<v Speaker 1>a purpose, it wouldn't have been as recognized. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>like hyperactive, impulsive men would have gone out and hunted.

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<v Speaker 1>You're more anxious, reserve people would have stayed and cared

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<v Speaker 1>for the kids and made the food. It's like it

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have been as recognizable because you would have had

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<v Speaker 1>roles suited you, but there wasn't all that stimulation and

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<v Speaker 1>that pace of fuck, got to get here, got to

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<v Speaker 1>get here. They've got footy, they've got this, they've got that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was so different that and over time everything

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<v Speaker 1>has got faster and faster that I think it's become

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<v Speaker 1>more prevalent that there is neurodiversity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. And also like it's just I guess it's

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<v Speaker 2>the idea too that oh, it's a superpower, which does

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<v Speaker 2>sort of annoy me a bit think because total gas

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<v Speaker 2>lighting are there are things that make you brilliant in

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<v Speaker 2>some way, but if there's not help there, whether that

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<v Speaker 2>is with a psychologist or medication, whatever you're going to do.

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<v Speaker 2>If there's not help, you're not you don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>skills to be able to live life holy and show

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<v Speaker 2>your brilliance in like, you can't tap into that brilliance

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a million other things that you have to

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<v Speaker 2>do just to survive. Have to pay bills, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to open mail, you have to do all that shit

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe you struggle with. And if you're not in

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<v Speaker 2>a partnership or whatever where you've got a partner who's

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<v Speaker 2>supporting you in that way or taking on the load

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<v Speaker 2>of the stuff that you can't do. Life really fucking

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<v Speaker 2>spins out of control, very totally. And I So what's

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<v Speaker 2>hard with it, though, is that life is challenging for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>So a typical person could look at a neurodivergent person

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<v Speaker 2>and go, well, my life's fucking hard, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>find it easy looking after my kids or anything. It's

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<v Speaker 2>but it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like everything is times fucking a hundred. It's very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to explain to a tipping a person the intensity

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<v Speaker 1>of your brain, of your sensory overload of everything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I mean? Like sometimes I watch

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<v Speaker 1>Sam when we're in a crowd, and I'm like, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not even flinching at this, or I'm gritting my teeth

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<v Speaker 1>through it, Like there is so much of my life

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<v Speaker 1>I've gritted my teeth through it, and I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like other people have done that as well. But then

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<v Speaker 1>I realized with my diagnosis, I'm like, oh, don't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a lot harder for me than it is for

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who isn't you know, divergent, but what.

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<v Speaker 2>A perfect pairing. Oh, it can be when when you

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<v Speaker 2>have people come together, it's like, you know, when they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about outsourcing shit that you don't want to do

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. It's sort of like that, like in partnerships,

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<v Speaker 2>in friendships, in everything, when people come together and they're

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<v Speaker 2>all bringing their own specialty, Like, how magical that is

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<v Speaker 2>as well? You know, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, let's just go back to the Kardashians because we

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<v Speaker 1>cannot deny Chris Janna's face.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel so conflicted about this. I was talking to

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<v Speaker 2>my husband about it before, like, there is no denying.

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<v Speaker 2>She looks fucking incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>She looks phenomenal face transplant face trans It just looks

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<v Speaker 1>like she's had Kim's face transplanted onto her face, Like

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<v Speaker 1>her necks is smooth, anything, It's like she's had a

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<v Speaker 1>whole body. It's like a whole body face left amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where I feel conflicted, because one side of

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<v Speaker 1>me is like, should we even be talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's her face, it's her body. Let her do what

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<v Speaker 1>she wants if it makes her feel better good. But

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of me is like, like, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to be forty six in a couple of weeks, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even look at myself and think I look

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<v Speaker 1>bad for my age. I think I look my age right.

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<v Speaker 1>But I see that, and I feel the pressure like

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<v Speaker 1>our hands down. Yeah, and young people.

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<v Speaker 2>When they see that, whether it's girls or boys or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, then their expectation becomes, Oh, that's what beauty wants. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I want to like, that's what I want

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<v Speaker 2>to look for in a woman. I want a woman

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<v Speaker 2>who looks like Kim or Chris or whatever. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>fucking reality. And then what's gonna happen. We're all going

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<v Speaker 2>to be getting face transplants.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it is, isn't it? Because I can't have but

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the conditioning of us. I can't help

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<v Speaker 1>but look at her and think she looks better, and

0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 1>she looks good, like that's like Kylie Jennet too, like

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<v Speaker 1>chalk and cheese between her face lift and not. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why it's so fucked because you get confused yourself where

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<v Speaker 1>you go. She looks amazing, but then it's like there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing natural about her, Like that's so unachievable unless you

0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:26.520
<v Speaker 1>have a bucket load of work done it's like every

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<v Speaker 1>second celebrity in Australia as well has had the ponytail

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<v Speaker 1>face lift. Yeah, because if your eyebrows are really far

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<v Speaker 1>from your eyes, that's not natural.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I can spot it from a mile away now

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<v Speaker 1>where like the tip of the end of the eyebrow

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<v Speaker 1>goes up and the face like the eye I can

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<v Speaker 1>see there's a pulling. There's a pulling and the eyebrows

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<v Speaker 1>really far from the eye. Like I'm looking into our

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<v Speaker 1>camera now and both of our eyebrows are not that

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<v Speaker 1>far from our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I because they hood as you get on my.

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<v Speaker 1>Eyes though so much I can not because so many

0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 1>people everyone I look at is so fucking done. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't help but go, oh my god, my eyelids, Like

0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:11.879
<v Speaker 1>you can't see any of my eyelid when my eyes

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.800
<v Speaker 1>are open now, and my eyes feel like I'm drooping.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the back of my mind, I'm like, one day,

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<v Speaker 1>will I do that I lid cut and will I

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<v Speaker 1>do a pony towel, Like I'm so scared of having

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<v Speaker 1>work done. But at the same time, because that is

0:21:27.640 --> 0:21:29.919
<v Speaker 1>our standard of beauty now, I do look at my

0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.360
<v Speaker 1>face and go maybe I should do that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and you're caught between. If it makes me

0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.879
<v Speaker 2>feel better about myself, what's the problem. But then the

0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 2>other side is like I want to scream at everyone stops.

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<v Speaker 2>You're making us all feel shit. We're looking at ourselves differently,

0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.240
<v Speaker 2>and like my husband would say to me, but you're

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:51.760
<v Speaker 2>letting that happen. You're letting. But I'm like, when you

0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.359
<v Speaker 2>are looking at yourself in a camera constantly, right, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so hard. And I've edited all this footage, right, so

0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at my face all the time, and I'm

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:04.399
<v Speaker 2>looking and going, fuck that line there, Fuck, I've aged.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, look at this, look at that. I

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:09.920
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't care because like I'm a nobody, no one gives

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<v Speaker 2>a FA's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is just comparison. It's us comparing to things

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<v Speaker 1>that are just unrealistic because if you look at most

0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, some people, but I would say minority find

0:22:23.560 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 1>really aging natural beauty great because you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>like it just because there are so many people who

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<v Speaker 1>are getting so much work done. When you spot a

0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 1>natural face, you notice it almost more than when somebody

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.159
<v Speaker 1>has had work done, because that's becoming more than norm.

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<v Speaker 2>And It's also like this thing of when people talk

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<v Speaker 2>about older women are attractive or younger guys like older women.

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<v Speaker 2>But part of me is like, yeah, but older women now,

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<v Speaker 2>you say women who are forty and fifty look like

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<v Speaker 2>they're thirty. Yeah, yeah, it's not realistic. You look at

0:22:56.520 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 2>j Lo and it's like, she doesn't look fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>Four way, and so then we go, oh, I want

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.880
<v Speaker 1>to look as good as her. Like It's just it's

0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.239
<v Speaker 1>a no win situation because you're right. You go, let

0:23:07.280 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>them do what they want and if they want to

0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.280
<v Speaker 1>do that, and then you know, and then we go,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, they do look fantastic. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, I'm like, fuck you, you're fucking us

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<v Speaker 1>all up.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, but that surgeon, great work, great work. All right,

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