WEBVTT - An interview with a killer: Anthony Jones Pt. 1 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.080 Detective see aside of life. The average person is never 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.080 exposed her I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.200 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.120 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.400 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.760 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.440 and honest, just like the people I talked to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.640 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:40.360 Join me now as I take you into this world. 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:50.920 In twenty ten, Eden Brown was stabbed and murdered. Today, 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.240 I sat down with Anthony Jones, the person convicted of 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:58.200 Eden's murder. This was a tough conversation. I wouldn't have 0:00:58.240 --> 0:01:02.480 done it unless Anthony was prepared to take responsibility. Eden 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.200 was stabbed at the party by Anthony, who was a mate. 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.080 It was a brutal, senseless crime that destroyed lives. We 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.880 talked about the murder, the trauma of his childhood filled 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.600 with violence, the brutality of prison, and how he has 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:20.720 found salvation. Needless to say, this episode covers a lot 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:24.720 of sensitive topics. Take care while listening to it. Anthony Jones, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.160 Welcome to I Catch Killers. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:27.160 Thanks for having me. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:32.080 Well, you've got an interesting story and it's certainly something 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.000 I want to sit down and talk to you about. 0:01:35.440 --> 0:01:37.680 It was a mutual friend of ours, Joe a Kon 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:39.600 that got in contact with me and said, Hey, you 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.440 going to check out this bloke aj He called you 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.280 and I started talking to Joe about it and your story, 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:50.640 and it's pretty heavy. It's a full on story. 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:53.680 It's definitely heavy and a good maide of mind. Joe 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.240 who does the confident Yeah, so we're starting to collaborate 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.720 with what I'm doing as well. But good made of 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:01.840 mine and he told me you're a good bloke. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.400 So well that a shout out to Joey came on, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.440 came on the podcast and I bumped into him. I 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.040 bumped into him the boxing match last time I saw him. 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:15.640 But the work that Joe's doing with Comfit is a 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:16.639 good stuff, so well. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.400 He's taken what he's learned in prison. How to train 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:23.280 and what that meant to guy's physical exercise. And he's 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:25.720 come up with a business plan called a confit and 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:28.480 now he goes into juvenile facilities all across the country 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.040 and teaches him how to change their mindset, how to 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:35.840 use their aggressive manner in a good way through exercise. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.040 And he's been developing mentors to go walk alongside these 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.079 guys and amazing what he's doing. 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.400 Yeah, I think that people who have walked the path 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.799 because Joe got himself into a lot of trouble the 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:50.360 younger years and did a lot of the time. But 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.880 young blokes and girls are going to listen to people 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.440 who have got that life experience. I think that's so 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.920 important lived experience. When they know you've been there, done that, Yeah, 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.880 they'll listen. They're not going to listen to the authority 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.000 that they have there. Yeah, and that's why Joe's made 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.079 a massive impact him in his crew and Yeah, just 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:10.760 super proud of what he's doing and gives us a 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:13.359 pathway too, guys who want to change your life that. Yeah, 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.040 it's awesome. So he said, you got an interesting story, 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.400 and I looked at your background and yeah, coming from 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.359 the area I did in the cops and a homicide detective, 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.079 and I see that you've been convicted of murder and 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.320 that you actually pleaded guilty to the murder, And to 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.840 be honest, I was a little bit conflicted whether to 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.840 get you on get you on the podcast. I've had 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.640 people who have been convicted of the murder on the 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:41.480 on the podcast before. But a lot of my thing 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.280 during my policing career was looking out for the victims, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:49.560 all the families of victims of homicide. So I thought 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:53.360 I'd ask you the question, and I wasn't sure what 0:03:53.560 --> 0:03:56.240 the what the response was, but I was quite pleased 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.360 by the response. When it was Eden Brown, the person 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.400 that you killed, I said, I want to reach out 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:05.920 to their family and just get a sense of what 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.600 their families are of you on me sitting down with 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.520 you in a podcast. I spoke to Jessica, Eden's sister, 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:19.240 and she was happy for me to talk to you. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.359 There's a couple of things that she said she wants 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:24.520 me to ask you, and I said I would, But 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:27.560 more importantly, I was happy that your response when I 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:29.600 said I want to speak to the family, you said, 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.960 I'm so glad that you said that, because you don't 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.280 want to cause any more pain to the family. And 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:37.760 that told me a little bit about the person that 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:38.120 you are. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:41.320 Yeah, I was hoping you'd say that because I can't 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:46.040 obviously talk to them still on parole. Yeah, and I'm 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:49.520 so cautious about how I present myself and what I say. Well, 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.440 they're always in the background for me in my mind, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.440 and everything I do now is actually you know, propelled 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.840 for what's going on. So I first and foremost I 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:03.400 always want to show them respect. You know, they've lost 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:07.360 their son. Yeah, and for some reason, my life's been spared, 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:08.720 so I don't take that for granted. 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:14.239 Now. Well, that came across, came across when I spoke 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.800 to you, and I know that you've turned your life around, 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:20.600 and we're going to talk a lot about about that 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:25.320 later on in the podcast. But dealing with the situation 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.600 that sent you the jail, and not in the first place, 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:31.719 because you've done time before that, but with the death 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.800 of I'll call it for what it is. It was 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.480 ruled to be a murder, a homicide of Eden Brown. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.880 Eden was your mate who was Yeah, let's let's start 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.920 this podcast off talking a little bit about Eden who 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.040 he was, and what your relationship with Eden was. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.240 He was quite a bit older than me. He's like 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:55.719 a big brother. Top of role when as you started 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.240 to get become closer his mates. I just met him 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:01.039 through I met about the gym actually, yep, through just 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:06.120 training at the gym, and he was you know, I 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:09.760 met him through steroids. He was on steroids and I 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.240 used to get steroids off him. And then we connected 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.800 as started connect as mates and started to hang out 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:17.960 pretty frequently, and. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:21.520 Probably for maybe two years. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:26.720 I reckon, we're mates, and then I just we had 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.960 a few differences, a few things that I just honestly 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.880 didn't really appreciate what he was doing. So I kind 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:36.760 of distanced myself a little bit. We weren't as close 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.039 as we once were, but we were still mates, but 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:42.160 we weren't. We didn't we didn't hang out as much 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.280 towards the end to where he passed. 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:50.560 Away, right, And what. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:55.280 What year was that, two thousand and nine and nine ten? 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.000 We probably probably met him two thousand and nine, I reckon, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.320 and then the murder happened in two thousand ten. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:01.600 Heavy stuff. 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.640 Yeah, I haven't really talked about like this, so. 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.640 Yeah, it is heavy, mate. Well, yeah, we spoke before 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:11.440 we sat down on to do the podcast, and I said, 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.480 I last ask the hard questions, and I think it's 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.560 important that we know where you've come from and where 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.360 you are now and what's happened happened in between. So 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.560 how many years did you do for the murder of Eden? 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.680 I did fourteen years. Yeah, that was the non parole period. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:31.760 So I did fourteen years straight and my sentence was 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.160 eighteen years eight months. Right, so I'm on parole. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.880 Now. When did you get out? I got out. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.880 Nineteen months ago, roughly June twenty twenty four. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:43.120 You pleaded guilty to murder. Now, I was a homicide 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:45.560 cop for a long time, and that's very rare. What 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:47.760 bought that one? 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.200 I was the first trial, I got a hung drey. Yeah, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.080 and that trick kind of just messed me up because 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:56.240 I got on the stand and you know, I just 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.280 made up a story. Yeah, and I am a truthful guy, 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:04.240 and it impacted me so much, and just seeing his family, 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.080 seeing my family going through all this stuff, it kind 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.920 of just took everything that I owned, my energy, really 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.800 and by the second trial, about two weeks before the 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:18.760 second troll, for some reason, I just I asked I 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.480 put my name down to get a bible. Yeah, and 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.600 some lady came a week later, yelled out my name 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:25.720 and gave me his bible. 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:27.320 And I just started reading it. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.320 But I only could read, probably at a year six level, 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.520 so I had no idea what I was reading. But 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.280 for some reason, I just read it every time I 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.480 was in my cell. And then it's kind of made 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:40.079 this vow to myself, and I said, I'm going to 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.920 take this Bible with me on this second trol and 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.280 just read it. And so the start of the second 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.600 trol happened, and I took a little blue Bible with me, 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.080 little gideons, and we'd get there very early, obviously before 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:55.400 court starts. I'd read it lunch breaks, morning tea breaks, 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:59.120 waiting for the truck. And I was already switched off 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:01.360 from day one on the true or like mentally, I 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:05.240 didn't want to be there, but I didn't know I 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.920 had to be there, so there's no way out right, 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.480 So I've got I've got to do this. And so 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.080 no one ready knew what was going on because I 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:15.720 can't talk to anybody except for the lawyer. I don't 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:17.920 even say it too much, but I just keept reading 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:22.240 his Bible and looking for something, and I came across 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.360 the verse or took me to a page number because 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.760 I saw the word freedom in the index, and it 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:30.040 took me to a page number and a book, a 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.160 passage in the Book of John which is, then you 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.079 will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.120 I had no idea what that meant. I just saw truth, 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.520 I saw freedom, and I just mulled that over for 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:49.199 weeks and event and I had I knew there was 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:51.920 probably a big chance I could probably win this trial 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:53.760 after the after the first one. 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:55.000 I think that's reasonable. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.440 Yeah, And the lawyers were pretty confident. And to be 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:02.400 very honest, I had vengeance in my heart, you know, 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.679 to go. And I thought if I get let out, 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.400 like I'm coming back, and I didn't want to do that. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.400 I didn't want to hurt anyone else, but I was. 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:17.120 I had a severe vengeance in my heart. But I thought, 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:21.880 how what do I do? And I just took that 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.280 passage in the Bible and it just it just something 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.560 internally happened to me, and I came up with the 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:33.240 decision to plead guilty and then I had so I 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:35.880 sat on that for a couple of days and then 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.400 one day after morning, so I just told my lawyer 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:41.040 to come down after I have a chat and I 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:42.280 told him I want to play guilty. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:45.320 And he just thought I was absolutely mad, and. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.000 He told the judge I was sick that day, and 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.199 he sent me back to the jail. Think about it, 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.640 have a think about it. But my decision was made. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.880 I came back. I just didn't care. I just like 0:10:55.960 --> 0:11:01.400 everything was impacting me, watching Eden's family, my family. I 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.320 thought everyone gets closure, and I just felt this conviction 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.000 that I've got to plead guilty, you know, but I've 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:11.760 had I had to convince my solicitor. So he said 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:13.600 to me, you need to admit to me what you 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.560 did in this crime. And because my might I was 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.320 so drunk and blacked out, I've got like snippets of memory. 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:22.080 I couldn't tell you what happened. So I told him 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:25.280 what I do remember, and he just he's like, mane, 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.560 this is he gys. You got to sack me now 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.720 and we'll go to the third trill. And I said, 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.400 I'm not sacking you like we've got to. I'm going 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:32.760 on with. 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.079 This because you would have told him stuff that he's 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.520 now obliged to He definitely can't represent you because you 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.480 would have made admissions to him or something. 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.760 Enough information that I do remember that. We've got to 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.720 get to another trill and have another legal team. 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:48.800 Yeah. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.840 So he was doing his due diligence, of course, but 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:53.280 I said, no, we're not going to do that. I'm 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.920 pleading guilty man. And he's like this, mate, you're going 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:57.920 to get so long, and I said, I don't care 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:01.640 what I get. We sat there through the perspects and 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:04.320 I said, you know my family, man, like my mom, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:08.360 my dad, the heroin, the heroin us, the violence, the prison, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.160 like I go, you know, my whole history. I said, 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:14.840 nobody takes responsibility for anything. And I want to break 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:16.439 the cycle today and I'm going to play guilty and 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.800 show my family that this is how we change. And 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:21.800 then he just he didn't know what to deal with that. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.160 He sat back and he was tears in his eyes, 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.120 and he goes, only condition is I got to go 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.160 see the DPP and see if they, you know, write 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.080 here at least a decent fact sheet, and they did, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.400 and I had to get up and get it rained again. 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.240 We will talk further further about that. Defense because I 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.440 said to Jessicaen's sister, I'd ask you things, and that's 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.000 the things that she wanted to ask that the family 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:50.080 wanted wanted to find out. But let's just take a 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.160 step back. Your childhood, tell us, tell us about your childhood. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.880 Your children was wasn't good. So mum and dad were 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:03.199 both heroin addicts. So I was raised in addict's own. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.000 First memories of living in a Waterloo and the big 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.120 house of the Commission Flats at Waterloo around four or 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.640 five years old, and just have for some reason, I 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.360 just remember my mom shooting up from about four years old. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:15.520 You know, she used to do it in front of me. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:19.320 I just thought I was too young. I wouldn't but 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.920 I just remember everything, and that's it. 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:25.319 That's your first saw the memory. So your mum, Yeah, 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:26.920 Mum always with me. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:30.680 But I remember the torner car, I remember the spoon, 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.640 I remember the color of it. I remember everything, and 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.440 so I didn't know what that was. And then my 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.600 dad had a domestic with my mom around five years old. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.240 I remember that in the kitchen and then he just 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.480 like he flogged her and then he just walked out 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.440 and then like I didn't really ever see I saw 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:52.360 it maybe a handful of times again in my life. 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.080 Okay, so how old were you? So five years old? 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:57.680 So I was just me and mum living in this 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.920 Any siblings I did, but to him had a brother 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.680 and a sister, but I like, I think I knew 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:06.640 them when I was really young. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:08.400 They're not in my family. 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:10.920 Yeah, I was just with mum and I was just 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:13.480 me and her. But she'd moved us away from our 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.599 family like my grandfather and annies and uncles and not 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:17.120 because of her addiction and stuff. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:18.880 So it was just me and her. 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.920 And then we moved into a spot at Surrey Hills 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:28.760 just year in a one bedroom studio and like no toilet, 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.600 no nothing, you know. And we met this my mom 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.120 met this other guy. And that's when we met this man. 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.520 Like my whole life just it just went. This ship man, 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:38.360 it changed. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.680 Well it's not going too well, it's not going too 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:44.600 good already, but okay, so what happened to me? 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.640 So this is a new yeah, new partner. And I 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.440 remember he was always at King's Cross and we'd always 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.520 been in the cross. Mum's always going to pick up 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.400 or whatever. And I remember this dude and he's always 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.080 made me laugh. So I was kind of like, you know, 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.560 he's all right. But he asked me to go to 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:01.440 the footy, and then he is, I love footy. So 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.200 he took us to the footy and I convinced Mum 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:05.600 to let me let him take us. And I was 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.640 going into hospital because I was I was in hospital 0:15:07.640 --> 0:15:10.680 for probably about four years on and off with some 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.280 stomach issues as a young blake. So I had to 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.000 go to hospital on the Monday. But he took us 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.760 to the footy on the Sunday and went to the footy. 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.280 He came home with us to this apartment or studio, 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:23.480 and then he took me to hospital the next day. 0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.560 And I was in hospital for probably a couple of months, 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:27.520 and so like I kind of fell in love with 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.600 this guy because like my dad own dad's not coming. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.560 This guy stepped in and he's telling me all the 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.720 all the things that young blake wants to hear. And 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.480 I was like, yeah, okay, I remember one day say 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:41.680 to me, he goes that guy is not your father, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.080 he's your sperm doner. He's only father. And then when 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.760 I got out of hospital went home with him and 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:47.360 he was there. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.200 We were talking up a good game, isn't it. 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:52.760 This guy was saying that, yeah, and he's telling me 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.960 like like it made me like fall in love with 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.720 this guy as a little boy, and I was I 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:01.600 thought I kicked the goal, you know, I got this 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.200 guy here's looking after me and mom. But then one 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.800 night he just still turned like he was a heroin 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:11.480 added to himself and an alcoholic and he's such a 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:15.680 charismatic guy. But then one night, I don't know what 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.840 it was, but he turned and then he just he 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.320 locked the door, dead locked the door, and he just 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.600 attacked mom like and he didn't he doesn't just attack 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:27.680 mom for like a couple of minutes. Like this guy's 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.640 all night, like twelve hours, beatings, like just the way 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:38.000 the psychological just talking to her like I've never seen 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:41.120 anything like it. So then that was that was a pattern. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.280 Now it just kept happening all the time. 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:44.840 And how are we looking. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.800 I'm six years old, right, so this yeah, and I 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:50.120 live in one room, so I see everything. I see 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.440 the whole thing. I can't get away. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:53.280 There's no room for me. 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:56.360 So I kind of begin to shut down as as 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.000 a young kid, and I'm already struggling. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.520 To learn at school. I'm always in hospital. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.359 These two just take me all the way around Sydney 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.040 and to get on heroin and methadone clinics, Like this 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:07.840 is my life. You know. 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.359 Then what at that age, what happened when they're on 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.640 the not when they just look after yourself. 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.200 Yeah, like they're my memories. My dad and my mom's 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.240 sitting there. I know when they've had a shot because 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.560 they got the bathroom or whatever, or they do it, 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:21.720 or my mum would do it in front of me 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:26.000 and then my name. You know, pretty soon their heads 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.400 in the in their laps, and then on the Sydney 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:31.680 you know. And so I tried to run away, even 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.000 from that place there was only six. I don't know 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:36.800 how to go. I ran away for the day and 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.879 came back. And then one particular night like where he 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:44.520 got hectic, was Christmas Eve and then my stepfather said, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:45.399 make sure you come and get me. 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:45.760 I'll mean it. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.480 I'll be in the pub and we'll take you to 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.280 Santa Yeah. So mum, we went to every pub in 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.720 Surrey Hills and we couldn't find him. She said, I 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.680 don't worry, we just we'll just go. So we did 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.879 the san anything came back. And then sometime later that 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.960 night he came home, key in the lock. He deadlocks 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:07.760 at the door. I was asleep, but I was awake, 0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:11.960 and but then I went to sleep and I woke 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:13.800 up just like this murderous screams. 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:14.480 Man like. 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:19.320 Screaming was normal now, but this was like Mom's going 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:23.960 to die. Mum is just screaming, man and had I 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:27.520 had a cupboard that was my wall, and my bed 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:29.719 was here, and I just looked out at the cupboard 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.159 and then my mum was naked and she's pregnant this 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.919 time with my sister. And he was just just blood everywhere, 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.119 and I don't know what he was doing, but he was. 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:41.960 I goed out to him, his dad, to stop, and 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:43.720 he just came over, dragged me out of the bed, 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:46.880 and for some reason, he sat me on his chair 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:47.840 and he tied. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:48.080 Me to it. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.560 And I'm just frozen with fear. You know, my mom's 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:58.199 like naked. His blood everywhere, and she's just like petrified. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:02.280 Man and he for some reason, he like he would 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.480 had his knife, had a long knife and an orange handle. 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:08.439 Ever forget it, and it was quite blunt though, so 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.160 he'd stick like he'd cut up but not too deep, 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.560 and he just torture. And then he said to me, son, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.280 I want you to laugh, And I said what, because 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.440 I want you to laugh, mate, if you don't, if 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:22.960 you'd laugh, I won't kill your sister and I won't 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:23.520 kill your mother. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:25.440 Yeah. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.320 So then he's like doing whatever he's doing with the 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:29.359 knife to my mom, and he's making me laugh watching 0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.720 it and my mom before I laughed, my mom just 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:34.399 screened him. He said, laugh, Son, laugh, So I just 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:38.000 started laughing. Like then I blacked out. And then I 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.040 all remember later was that my dad was unconscious, like 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.439 from just I don't know what happened, and I had 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.600 to lift him off my mother and then dress my 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:53.040 mom and she was in a bad way, and I 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:56.719 actually walked to the Surreal's police station is already and 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.159 then my father was in charge with attempted murder and 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.919 and my mum ended up putting him in jail. But 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.520