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Speaker 1: It fits in with kate Wiki podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome to a bonus episode of the Educate podcast.

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Speaker 2: We're doing two things in this potty. The first is

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Speaker 2: that we've given Kate a song to review, so we're

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Speaker 2: going to get her feedback on that. And then a

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Speaker 2: little bit later you're going to hear us play two

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Speaker 2: really fun games. If you're a swifty, I want to

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Speaker 2: know if you can actually beat us in this. No

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Speaker 2: doubt you probably can, but stick around for that. Okay, Kate,

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Speaker 2: let's get into your song review. This song is You're

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Speaker 2: Losing Me from the Vault. It was on the album

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Speaker 2: Midnights and it was released a little bit after didn't

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Speaker 2: even really hit streaming for quite some time, so it's

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Speaker 2: a relatively new song.

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Speaker 1: Had you heard this one before we asked you to

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Speaker 1: listen to it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: I love that we picked one that you hadn't heard. Now,

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Speaker 2: what were you What were your first thoughts?

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Speaker 1: Talk us through it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think you always just need to have one listen

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Speaker 4: as just to listen, yep, like a just okay, what

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Speaker 4: does it sound like? Kind of main main themes?

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Speaker 3: Maybe?

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Speaker 4: But I listened to it last night and then I

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Speaker 4: way in today, so maybe four or five times, and

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Speaker 4: it's so sad and I've got to work. And I

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Speaker 4: felt really emotional about it because I think it was

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Speaker 4: me in the car. And I guess where I got

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Speaker 4: to was that the song is just like it's the

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Speaker 4: flatlining of a relationship. Yeah, that's what it felt like

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Speaker 4: for me. And I don't know any backstory. You always

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Speaker 4: relate it to yourself, and it just had this really

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Speaker 4: clever way of drawing parallels between the end of a relationship,

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Speaker 4: what you know. What I only noticed after like the

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Speaker 4: just focus on that, you can't even hear the lyrics.

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Speaker 4: It's just this really slow, monotonous heartbeat that's about to

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Speaker 2: Funny, you should say, how a little listen to this

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Speaker 2: because this is the very start of the song, you said,

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Speaker 2: And you're right, that does make up the beat, then

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Speaker 2: that heartbeat that you hear the whole way through. What

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Speaker 2: someone looked into the notes of who'd written, who'd produced

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Speaker 2: That actually turned out to be an or like a

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Speaker 3: Her heart for me.

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Speaker 2: So they've recorded her heart is and it's playing at

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Speaker 4: I just got really emotional because and this is what

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Speaker 4: I'm discovering more and more listening to Taylor's song, not

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Speaker 4: the lyrics. And I'm not telling anyone things they don't

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Speaker 4: and please hang on to me, because you're losing me,

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Speaker 4: Like this relationship is nearly over. It's like it's about

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Speaker 1: But she talks.

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Speaker 4: About things like now, you know, what are the lyrics here?

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Speaker 4: and it's so simple, is do I throw out everything

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Speaker 4: we built or keep it? And I don't know about

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Speaker 4: you guys, but I'm sure if you've ever had the

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Speaker 4: And I'm a really sentimental person, so I find it

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Speaker 4: I've been in that situation. I think that's what got

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Speaker 4: That means letting go, Yeah, or that's what that's how

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Speaker 3: That's another whole layer.

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Speaker 4: But that how and do I still keep going to

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Speaker 4: don't even mean it about throwing out photographs.

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Speaker 3: I mean like throwing out the book that someone.

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Speaker 4: Gave you, or or even the you know, the cups

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Speaker 4: that you whisker that you I know, Like.

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Speaker 5: It's that stuff that I feel like is harder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's.

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Speaker 5: A I've got a couple of grabs for you. This

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Speaker 4: The quick not the.

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Speaker 1: Math Day's was great, but cheing that we were.

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Speaker 4: I like that line too about the emitting that we

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Speaker 4: were sick. But that's still continuing in line with the

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Speaker 4: demise of the relationship. Is like the diet, the death

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Speaker 4: and that we all know that after the end of

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Speaker 3: Of there is this There is a grief. It is

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Speaker 3: like a death. It is and like you're getting sick. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like that you can feel it flatlining as you said before.

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Speaker 5: And the interesting thing about this song is she didn't,

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Speaker 5: as Jess was saying earlier, she didn't release it initially.

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Speaker 5: When Midnights came out, she waited quite a long time

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Speaker 5: to release it, and then only then did she release

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Speaker 5: hundred thousands of people had it.

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Speaker 1: And she waited all.

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Speaker 5: The way up until like almost how many months later,

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Speaker 5: like six months later, to then put it on streaming

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Speaker 3: So and why was that?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think, I honestly think it's because it's such

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Speaker 3: To her who she's singing about, Joe Olwen.

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Speaker 1: And that's this is the thing with the timeline as well.

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Speaker 4: Right, so we're the guy we don't really know, well

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Speaker 4: I don't really know. He's the blonde actor.

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Speaker 1: That's she dated.

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Speaker 5: So her most recent before Travis, who she dated for

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Speaker 1: Years, yea, it was.

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Speaker 2: And what's what's interesting about this as well is the timeline. Right,

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Speaker 2: So we got this song afterwards, so we're all thinking, oh,

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Speaker 2: was Jack Antonov, who's her long term producer, posted a

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Speaker 2: the song was written.

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Speaker 1: Two years ago.

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Speaker 2: So he posted it and said, You're Losing Me is

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Speaker 2: Written and recorded at home in May twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: And what's important there is that we see that this

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Speaker 1: Played out publicly.

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Speaker 2: And I think why that's important is because if you

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Speaker 2: of a breakup album, Yeah, there's some lines that really

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Speaker 2: searched the party of Better Bodies just to learn that

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Speaker 2: have been. In Midnight Rain, I peered through a window,

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Speaker 2: and the life I gave away because he was Sunshine

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Speaker 2: always stood out to me. Here she's saying, baby Love,

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Speaker 1: Little too kind.

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Speaker 2: I didn't notice you walking all over my peace of

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Speaker 2: Putting someone first only works when you're in the top five.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I'm going out tonight.

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Speaker 5: The fact that she wrote that so much earlier on

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Speaker 4: The bit in the song that's said, how long could

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Speaker 4: gone to bring back to life. I gave you all

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Speaker 4: then she goes on to say, and I wouldn't marry

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Speaker 4: just one last thing kind of That's what I asked,

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Speaker 4: like that, I feel like that is listen and now

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Speaker 4: that you've explained to me who it's about, I've got it.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've got a face. I can picture the

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Speaker 1: So overall, rating out of ten, what do you do?

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Speaker 3: What did I do? Last?

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Speaker 1: For my tears Toche?

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Speaker 3: It's a seven? Oh again? Yes, no, I just don't

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Speaker 3: But these are the songs that really get to me.

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Speaker 2: I think you thought that we were hoping to really

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Speaker 2: personally attack you this morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad we didn't do the podcast.

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Speaker 4: After I climbed out of the car, I was like,

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Speaker 4: I don't I'm too emotionally fragile to drink my smoothie the.

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Speaker 1: Fits and with a with Kate Richie podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, ladies, I think it might be time to

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Speaker 2: play a little game. Let's put some swifty to the test. Kate,

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Speaker 2: obviously you're a new swifty Lizzie. You and I are

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Speaker 2: old Swifties. So let's see what we can do here.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't know if you saw this last week, guys,

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Speaker 2: a swifty has been given the Guinness World Record for

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Speaker 2: knowing the most amount of Taylor Swift.

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Speaker 1: Songs in one minute.

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Speaker 3: Good on, I see this.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think you got like thirty one or something.

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Speaker 1: Is that?

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Speaker 3: Does that get right? Because the existing record was twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: This one's done a little bit different in that he

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Speaker 2: was read the lyric of a song and he had

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Speaker 2: to identify it from that. I thought we could put

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Speaker 3: Oh my god?

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Speaker 1: Shall we pass? I'm panicked?

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Speaker 1: Is it over now? I can see you. It's not

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Speaker 1: on the beach.

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Speaker 3: Enchanted.

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Speaker 1: I would be gone next look at you?

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Speaker 1: My what is happening to me. We'll skip it. That

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Speaker 1: was ready for now?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 6: Oh, I love that song like face.

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Speaker 5: I love it about talking ship for the hell of it, Comer.

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Speaker 5: Like I feel like I'm gonna.

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Speaker 3: Cut No, you're so fine, You've got so many so bad?

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Speaker 3: Well you wait, you wait till you what I do?

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Speaker 5: The ones that I couldn't get, I know they hold

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Speaker 3: Check it off? Not yet?

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Speaker 3: Romeo love story. Yes, you need to come you need

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Speaker 3: I've never heard that sound before.

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Speaker 1: Let's read that better than check it off.

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Speaker 3: Yes, people are screaming.

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Speaker 1: We'll pass on that. Cornelia straight.

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Speaker 3: Me admitted. No brus, they're loving hate.

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Speaker 6: Yeah the door. Blame me lovelyly crazy, don't blame me

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Speaker 1: You know this one?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, we're never getting back together.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and you'll know that one.

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Speaker 1: That's the double Club. What do you come along with me?

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Speaker 1: But I think, what did you do just then? Five? Seven?

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Speaker 3: I think I did more than five.

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Speaker 1: I don't want this to go to air.

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Speaker 3: It is going to air, all right.

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Speaker 1: Come in here.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're going to have a go.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a go.

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Speaker 4: I'd like to ask right now, when you needed somebody

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Speaker 4: It's very interesting because I think maybe just you know

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Speaker 5: He needs to better than me because that was wrong.

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Speaker 1: Just see to have a bit of fun, guy.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and your time starts now.

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Speaker 1: The sharp enough to kill? Did you want your shoe?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 1: All too well? Ten minute version ye from the Wild Streams. Yep,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of it. Okay, pass the

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Speaker 1: way I loved you clean? No skip then, Hey, that's

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Speaker 1: this love feelings?

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Speaker 3: No sparks fly, You're getting high homes or.

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Speaker 6: Mastermind or yeah, yep, feelings, yep, guy.

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Speaker 3: We count.

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Speaker 1: Listen for the best delicately yep.

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Speaker 4: Well, dune really, and I don't think you got.

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Speaker 1: I told you, Jess, you debilitating, You didn't.

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Speaker 4: Get fifteen, You didn't get fifteen. I think Jess got confused,

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Speaker 4: and I think you only got ten. Okay, but I'm

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Speaker 3: And count that I failed.

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Speaker 2: And then Kate was like, but to be fair, Lizzie,

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Speaker 2: you didn't do that as well.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think what we'll do now is let's do Lizzie

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Speaker 2: verse me. This is old Swifty verse old Swifty, and

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Speaker 2: let's do it this way. Kate is going to panel.

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Speaker 2: Good luck Kate and Lizzie. Kate's gonna play the beginning

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Speaker 2: of a song. You and I just need to shout

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Speaker 2: out first what the song title is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: We are going best to five.

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Speaker 4: Yes, jump in with your answer, the name of the song,

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Speaker 4: name an artist.

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Speaker 3: Just joking. Oh good girls, thank you for laughing.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the nervous energy.

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Speaker 4: If you're giving me a laugh for that. Okay, first

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Speaker 4: of five, jump in when you know the answer.

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Speaker 1: Okay, ready exile.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, you can't swear ready, because that was was

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Speaker 3: it was? Okay, then we ignore that?

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Speaker 2: Then ready, clearly Ston, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Oh good job, it's really good.

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Speaker 3: Okay. It's two points to Jes, two points to Liz.

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Speaker 4: So we're recording this mass three points to Lizzie, two

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Speaker 3: This is where you either win or lose. Jess.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Kate.

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Speaker 3: It's three apiece. It's three a piece girls. Okay, here

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Speaker 1: Enchanted? Isn't chatted?

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Speaker 3: I don't know it is?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so one what don't let me do the scoring?

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Speaker 4: Okay, it's four points to Lizzie, three to Jess. Okay, Jess,

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Speaker 4: you need to get the next point to stay in

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Speaker 4: the game.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kate, Richie.

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Speaker 2: This is.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Okay, enchanted.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say that's probably why I didn't invite

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Speaker 1: you to panel earlier?

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Speaker 3: It was like I've read the wrong name at the Oscar,

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Speaker 3: of course, isn't it? Okay?

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Speaker 1: You ready?

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm pressing on the right thing.

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Speaker 3: You just need it next, I know, and play.

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Speaker 1: I can't really what you made me do?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I feel like I had that tiebreaker both women, both Swift,

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Speaker 4: Diets and Lizzie.

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Speaker 3: On four points.

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Speaker 1: Can I just ask you something first?

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Speaker 3: It's anyone's game.

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Speaker 1: How long have you worked at Nover, like ten.

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Speaker 3: Years for this round?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never seen you so passionate.

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Speaker 3: That's saying something. It took it took me.

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Speaker 5: It took this to.

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Speaker 3: Light me up. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Signed for another year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, here we go.

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Speaker 6: Yep, red Yeah, so good tramp and then in brackets, what.

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Speaker 1: Taylor's version really good? I can't say Starlight that was

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Speaker 1: so stressed.

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Speaker 3: It really was.

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Speaker 5: I honestly thought I was gonna have an aneurysm.

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Speaker 1: I think I still might.

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Speaker 3: Are you okay?

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Speaker 1: Not really?

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Speaker 3: No, I don't like that was bad.

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Speaker 1: I like you on the panel.

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Speaker 4: Now that you finished listening to the podcast, why don't

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Speaker 4: you head over to the twenty four hour Taylor Swift

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Speaker 4: Station Nover Taylor's version over, Taylor's version.

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Speaker 1: Can you believe that.

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Speaker 2: Twenty four hours a day, seven days a week, non

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Speaker 2: stop Taylor some dream but some of the best bits

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Speaker 2: of the pod on the stage.

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Speaker 1: As well, so you will hear our beautiful little voices

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Speaker 1: there at some point.

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Speaker 3: Oh what a bonus.

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