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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk of Fox Sports and

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Speaker 1: Speed Cafe Formula one podcast. On today's episode, Oscar piastre

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Speaker 1: Windsy's second Grand Prix victory at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix

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Speaker 1: with a bold move on the breaks on Charle Leclaire

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Speaker 1: and for the first time in more than a decade,

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Speaker 1: McLaren is on top of the Constructors Championship. My name

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Speaker 1: is Michael Lomonato, motorsport writer for Fox Sports Australia. It's

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Speaker 1: great to have your company and the company of my

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Speaker 1: co host from Speed Cafe. To him, It'll always be

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Speaker 1: the European Grand Prix. It's Matt Kosh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the European Grand Prix, just as the very first

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Speaker 2: Grand Prix and World Championship history was. It wasn't the

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Speaker 2: British Grand Prix. It was the European Grand Prix featuring

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Speaker 2: the British Grand Prix.

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Speaker 1: So it's so, what was you saying, is really what

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Speaker 1: we've just had as a very historic race in back?

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Speaker 2: Well, yes, that's right, it's it's it's an event that

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Speaker 2: can trace its lineage back to the birth of the

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Speaker 2: World Championship.

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Speaker 3: Remarkable, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: You all thought some new age silly race.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not silly race with a camera at term

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Speaker 2: one that you can't see anything.

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Speaker 1: From certainly, rather the silly time I can say that much.

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Speaker 1: And look, it's a shame when we're in a time

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Speaker 1: zone slightly better for Australia, they still insist on running

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Speaker 1: it so late. Just accept it, run and go back

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Speaker 1: to two pm starts.

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Speaker 3: Please.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get the end of course, to the

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Speaker 1: events of the Azerbaijan Grand Prix and Oscar Piastre's victory

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Speaker 1: the implications it has for the Constructors Championship and even

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Speaker 1: the Drivers Championship.

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Speaker 3: But first let's get.

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Speaker 1: Through some of the news you may have missed from

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Speaker 1: the last week. And we're going to start with a

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Speaker 1: news topic relatively close to home, and that is the

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Speaker 1: decision on Liam Lawson's future in the Red Bull program.

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Speaker 1: Helmut Marco says that a decision will be announced following

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Speaker 1: the Singapore Grand Prix to who's going to be feeling

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Speaker 1: the seat currently occupied by Daniel Ricardo. It's the only

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Speaker 1: uncontracted seat in the Red Bull stable and one of

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Speaker 1: only two still available in Formula One next season.

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Speaker 2: Yeap, big, big time news coming for Liam Lawson. One

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Speaker 2: suspects that will probably be in that seat for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five at RB, which raises some interesting and awkward

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Speaker 2: questions for Daniel. But I mean, by my intel, the

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Speaker 2: decision has been made, it just hasn't been communicated publicly

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Speaker 2: at this point. So yeah, an interesting one to read

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Speaker 2: body language in Singapore this weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and Daniel has been told that he'll be in

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Speaker 1: the car for at least until the end of the year,

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Speaker 1: so we shouldn't get too excited, unless, of course, it

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Speaker 1: really blows it, but I don't think that's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Pre season testing has been announced surprise Matt. It's in

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Speaker 1: Bahrain and at the end of February. But the good

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Speaker 1: news is Melbourne is still round one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There were sort of two schools of thought with

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Speaker 2: pre season testing. As soon as the opening realm was

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Speaker 2: going to Melbourne. The logical thing to do is to

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Speaker 2: have it in Bahrain because you've got stable weather, but

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Speaker 2: it's more expensive and it's hardly at parts and all

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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. The rational being hold it in

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Speaker 2: everything else, but you've got a less stable weather system there,

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Speaker 2: so the decision has been made. They needed unanimous teams

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Speaker 2: approval to go there because of the way the concord

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Speaker 2: or whatever is written. So yeah, bah Rain for three

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Speaker 2: and nine. I think that's been held out there.

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Speaker 1: Should have just run it at Sandown in coming to Australia.

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Speaker 1: All the residents would have complained.

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Speaker 2: As Sandown isn't fit to hold supergus. It needs dispensation

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Speaker 2: every time it holds an event, So hosting a Formula

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Speaker 2: So my rants about Sandown are very well documented and

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Speaker 1: But you didn't expect to be ripping to that something new.

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Speaker 1: The calendar is always expanding in Formula one. Whether or

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Speaker 1: certainly new destinations are always on the cards. And Greg Mathay,

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Speaker 2: Even South Korea has been mentioned as well. MAFE was

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Speaker 2: Liberty now has tapped out the number of events that

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Speaker 2: So it's looking to to I guess, create some competition

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Speaker 2: and exclusivity breeds breeds cash. So that's what they're trying

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Speaker 1: the South Africa the South Korean Grand Prix collapsed, there

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know how much action this down

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Speaker 1: only procedural breaches. Though Honda and Reno both engine concerns

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Speaker 1: in this case, neither of them the team's outfits were

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Speaker 1: That's not an overspend, but still year after the rules

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Speaker 2: Just the complexity of the regulations as much as anything.

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Speaker 2: I spoke to someone about this and they likinged it

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Speaker 2: to me as you know, some nuts and bolts being

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Speaker 1: Good time to ask yourself the question have you lodged

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Speaker 1: Hamilton heard Liberty was getting involved and wants to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, we had immediately people call up and

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Speaker 2: Lewis Hamilton, the Russiale being obviously Liberty is going to

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Speaker 3: But that's for a different podcast.

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Speaker 1: Fun all right, rap, Let's move on to the azer

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Speaker 1: Vaijan Grand Prix, the first of a doubleheader of street

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Speaker 1: races of quite extreme street tracks, and it was Oscar

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Speaker 1: Piastri who brought the race home. Started second on the grid,

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Speaker 2: and very Oscar. It's yeah, it just goes to show

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Speaker 2: his progression as a driver because he's always been he

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Speaker 1: comfortably in the points. Now, Lando's pulling those performances on

437
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 1: a day that Max really couldn't get anything additional out

438
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 1: of the car based on his grid slot.

439
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 3: I think there's.

440
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 1: Something in that there. But you're right, this is a

441
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,400
Speaker 1: I think this was almost the reality check on how hard,

442
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 1: how steep a climb it is for Norris to get

443
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 1: this driver's title, because you're right, it's pretty much I

444
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 1: think Max said, I don't know if he actually knew

445
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 1: the mats, but he needs a perfect season. Now I

446
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: think he can just he'll ping it on count back.

447
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: I think, if my match is right, if he wins

448
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 1: literally every race, every sprint and gets every fastest lap.

449
00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 1: So that's inconceivable. I think it's going to say out

450
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 1: of this world. I'd love to see it, but I

451
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 1: think we're not going to say it. But then there's

452
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 1: that question of how Max is going to go. So

453
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: I think this is I think either way it was

454
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,840
Speaker 1: going to be really quite an important race, particularly in

455
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 1: that context of McLaren saying a right, we really are

456
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: going for this thing. The responses from that I think

457
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: were quite positive, even if the points weren't. But I mean,

458
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 1: this is it's got seven races to play. I think we've

459
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 1: said it before it was always a long shot. Makes

460
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,160
Speaker 1: it more of a long shot. But I guess if

461
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 1: it was already such long odds technical that doesn't change

462
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 1: anything because i'ms are still so undelievably long. Let's talk now,

463
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: Matt about Red Bull Racing, though, because this is the

464
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,240
Speaker 1: essential other half of the story it was set up.

465
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 1: I guess there's a little bit of a test because

466
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Speaker 1: on paper, I mean, his historically this is quite a

467
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: good track for Red Bull Racing. But on paper, based

468
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 1: on what we know of this car this year, this

469
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: was going to be a challenge, and I guess a precursor,

470
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: a curtain razor to what should be its biggest challenges

471
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: this weekend Singapore Grand Prix. And I feel like if

472
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Speaker 1: we come away from this round, maybe a little bit

473
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 1: more confused than ever because we have On the one hand,

474
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,719
Speaker 1: Max really struggling this weekend. He did pin a lot

475
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Speaker 1: of the struggles on a setup gambling made before qualifying,

476
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Speaker 1: and maybe there was actually more in it for him

477
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Speaker 1: to have achieved it even before that. Wow, maybe it

478
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,360
Speaker 1: wasn't really looking as good as it should have. But

479
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,880
Speaker 1: Matt on the other hand, Sergio Perez, who has been

480
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 1: nowhere for months since April, was one of the fastest

481
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,639
Speaker 1: drivers this weekend. We know he loves this strike. He

482
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 1: always goes well here. He went very well this weekend

483
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: except for a crash. Obviously that's unfortunate. Maybe we'll talk

484
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: about that a little bit later, but was in victory contention.

485
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: Really had circumstances gone his way. Lando Norris not been

486
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 1: in a position to saw him down the pit stops

487
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 1: quite possibly could have won this race. So what have

488
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: we learned about Red Bull racing situation after this weekend?

489
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 2: We've learned that it's very confusing. It's difficult to really

490
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: know what we've learned because we've got this snapshot of

491
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: one event. We saw a reinvigorated surgey of Peris, which

492
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: is fabulous to see for a multitude of reasons. But

493
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: is that because he is a Baku specialist or is

494
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,399
Speaker 2: it because something has changed in Red Bull? And is

495
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: that change an upgrade or have they rolled back because

496
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: we know they're experimenting with the speck of that car

497
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: to get it into a more balanced position. Is it

498
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: just that they nailed the setup? Because the one thing

499
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: that Max Withstappen said, and this is what you alluded to,

500
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: is that the car is a very sensitive and if

501
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: you get it just a little bit wrong, it's out

502
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 2: of that very narrow setup window and it's performance suffers significantly,

503
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: has Max display But then also was that Max suffering

504
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: on setup or was Max having a bad weekend or

505
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 2: is it just Max not performing around a circuit that

506
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: he's typically not been brilliant. I mean to say he's

507
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,119
Speaker 2: not been brilliant. I know he's led the race and

508
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 2: come close to winning it by retire failure a few

509
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 2: years ago. But you know, by his own lofty standards,

510
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 2: this this isn't a strong track for Max. Is it

511
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: just that? So you've got to wrap all of these

512
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 2: variables up and try and come out with some sort

513
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: of answer, and it's it's nigh on impossible with just

514
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: one data point from Azerbaijan. And I think when we

515
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 2: get to Singapore that is a circuit that's very similar

516
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: in many respects to Isuba Jah. There's some long straits,

517
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: there's a lot of ninety degree left right hands, you know,

518
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: sort of second third year stuff. There's a bit of

519
00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,239
Speaker 2: curve riding involved. So it's it's very Baku esque in

520
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: that respect. So what we see this coming weekend will

521
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 2: tell us a lot more about where Red Bull is

522
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 2: in the championship. But then we've got a three week

523
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 2: gap and I would expect that between now and Coota Austin,

524
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: and after that gap the US go on Prix, the

525
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 2: Red Bull will have sorted itself out. May not be perfect,

526
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: and it may not be as good as McLaren, because

527
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 2: I still think McLaren is the best car, but I've

528
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: got enough time to sort it out and sort of

529
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 2: steady the ship a little bit. So I'm not going

530
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: to write in and say that Sergio Perez has rediscovered

531
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: as mojo by that token, Daniel Ricardo discovered as mojo

532
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: in Miami. We saw what happened after that. It's so

533
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 2: easy for form to come and go. So let's see

534
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 2: what happens in Singapore. Let's then see what happens at

535
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: the US go On Prix, and then let's make it.

536
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: At that point we have six races to go in

537
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 2: the championship. Five after the US go On Prix. Then

538
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: we'll have a really good indication of is the Driver's

539
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 2: Championship realistic? For Norris, I suspect it's not. If I'm

540
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: brutally honest, I think Maxis Happens pretty much got it

541
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 2: one already. But the constructors Championships still to play for. Okay,

542
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: twenty points, they're fifty one points back is for Ferrari.

543
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: You know, if red Bull properly screwed this up, they

544
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 2: could finish third, So there's still lots to play for there,

545
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 2: really is. It's not just the Driver's Championship. The constructors

546
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 2: Championship is still there, plus all these little stories along

547
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 2: the way, Maxis struggles, Sergio struggles, Lando swarm, team orders,

548
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: McLaren so, Ferrari's rebuild Mercedes coming on towards the back

549
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: end of the year as well. This is the great

550
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: thing that Azerbaijans highlighted. We've got all these storylines and

551
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: not a clue as to which one of them is

552
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: going to be the dominant one.

553
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, there really was almost too much to pay attention

554
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 1: to in Azerbaijan. There was so much going on throughout

555
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: the grid and even in the paddock. That's gonna be

556
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: really interesting.

557
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: Well, my sleep cycles are a testament to my goodness.

558
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't even know what time it is. We should

559
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: mention before we move on to the alternative Championship though,

560
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: that the outcome of this round was that McLaren is

561
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: back on top of the Constructor's Championship standing, so the

562
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: first time in more than ten years. Last time was

563
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: the Australian Grand Prix in twenty fourteen, when Jens and

564
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: Button and Kevin Magnuson reversed that order actually finished second

565
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: and third. When Kevin Magnuson we all threw he was

566
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: on the podium on day exciting and then not so great.

567
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: I guess after that or for McLaren, really they've been

568
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: in the door.

569
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: That was. That was because Daniel Ricardo got excluded for

570
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 2: a fist flourish she so Ricardo finished third. So Magnison

571
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 2: his podium on deboo, even though he didn't get a

572
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 2: podium one day.

573
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: Boo was it Magnuson or Button who stood on the podium?

574
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: Though I thought it was Magnuson. Maybe I got that

575
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: wrong in my head. I don't remember.

576
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: Let's go and find out. Let's go and find out.

577
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: What was it twenty fourteen Australia. I'm not going to google.

578
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: Well, while you check that, let's just mention about McLaren

579
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 1: that it has been a long time coming. We've been

580
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: talking about this trajectory for the last few months. They've

581
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: achieved it earlier than I think even we expected. We

582
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: thought the first possible chance was going to be Singapore.

583
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 1: They've out done that expectation. And like you say, it

584
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: fields like with Red Bull Racing, we don't know how

585
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: they're going to go this weekend. That's true, but I

586
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: think even Red Bull's race for at least a difficult weekend.

587
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 1: It seems inconceivable that McLaren won't add a few more

588
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: points to it. About adding short of a disaster, Austin's

589
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: really going to set ourselves up for whether or not

590
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: this is a fight, or whether or not McLaren just

591
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: going to run away with it, because twenty points now

592
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: is the margin after Sergio Periz crashed with Carlos Science

593
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: so took himself out of what would have been a

594
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: pretty hefty points going position. I think it he finished third,

595
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: it would have been more like five points the gap

596
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: in the Constructors Championship, so that would have been interesting.

597
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: So I think Austin's going to set up what we're

598
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: going to be in for with the Constructors Championship, and

599
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: not just for Red Bull Racing, but also because Ferrari,

600
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: we won't know until Austin being a completely different type

601
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: of track whether Ferrari is actually in this or just

602
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 1: making hay while we're at street circuits, because like you say,

603
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: they're not that far behind it. Orthough would have been

604
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: much closer had Color Science not being wiped out of

605
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: this race too, So it's really fascinatingly set up, and

606
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: for McLaren this would be such a meaningful championship, not

607
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: just because it's been so long, but part of the

608
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 1: reason they've been the Doldrums for so long is because

609
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: they were so committed to having a works engine partner

610
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,479
Speaker 1: in Honda. Now Honda has come good, admittedly, but it

611
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: turns out actually maybe custom engines not so bad.

612
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, the merk does seem a decent donk, doesn't it.

613
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: It's the irony being that we get to twenty twenty

614
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: six and Aston Martin will be the factory Honda team

615
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: that just doesn't hit the ear right. You were absolutely right.

616
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 2: That's it was Kevin Madison that was second in Jensen

617
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: Button third in Melbourne twenty fourteen. An extraordinary raced, extraordinary aftermath.

618
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: I do remember it well.

619
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 3: A long aftermath I remember that.

620
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, being in the scrum huddled around Christian Horner

621
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: trying to work out what the hell was going on

622
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: at about nine o'clock at nine. It was a long

623
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: old one. But yeah, we're sitting on a knife edge

624
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 2: as we head into the final stands and you know,

625
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: we do this Asian swing and then we're through the

626
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: Americas and then back to the middle east of the finale,

627
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: where you know it's the seasons wrapped up in not

628
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: too many weeks. We've still got seven races to go.

629
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly after this race, it is a long break.

630
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: But then two triple headed, so you almost think about

631
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: that as just two events in a weird way, and

632
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: then the season will be all done. We're hopefully heading

633
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: towards the thrilling conclusion. We'll also find out an Abu

634
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: dabi Matt, how the Alternative Championship ends, because that's certainly

635
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: been hoiding up. Some big points were scored last week.

636
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I believe, yes, quite a few points from memory. It's

637
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: going to take a lot. It's going to take a

638
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: lot to upend the order, but every round does count,

639
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's the point of a championship. It all

640
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: adds up in time. An interesting week in Formula one, Matt,

641
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: why don't you kick us off?

642
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? The Alternative Championship, it's a bit like that Drew

643
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: Carey show where the points don't matter. Whose lin Whose liners? Anyways,

644
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: that's what it was. So I'm going to start this now.

645
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm cheating because normally we get three each, I've got

646
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: four cheating, but you know, the points don't matter, so

647
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't go I'm going to start this off in

648
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 2: a really positive way, going to give Oscar Piastre twenty

649
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: five hard ended points because it was just a supreme drive.

650
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: I was tempted to give him fifty nine million, you know,

651
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: I thought that was a little excessive, so I'll just

652
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: stick with the twenty five. And I think that's fair

653
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: for a race win. He didn't get the part of

654
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 2: the fastest lap, so I'm denying him that one. But yeah,

655
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: I just think I was cracking drive and it deserves

656
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: to be rewarded. And I know he wants the World championship,

657
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: but this is better.

658
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, that's fair. I was going to I was

659
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: also going to give some points to Oscar. But now,

660
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: but oh you but you've had four so maybe I

661
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: should be entitled to a different Maybe I don't have

662
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: to change it.

663
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: You can give him a second lot of points if

664
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: you want.

665
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I can.

666
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: I was going to give him just ten points for

667
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: saying in the aftermath of the race, and I think,

668
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: with full knowledge of what was going on, that he'd

669
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: ignored team orders. Everyone thought, what what do you mean?

670
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: You ignored team orders? That his engineer had told him

671
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: not to try to pass Charlotqui because he'd hurt his tires.

672
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: I just liked that he brought it up in that way.

673
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,959
Speaker 1: I liked considering the context of this race was all

674
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: about mclarentine orders and he'd have to play second fiddle

675
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: that he found time in his post ract beef to

676
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: say he'd ignored some but of course it had all

677
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: been harmless in the end because the move was so great.

678
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was awesome. I as very much Oscar's sense

679
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: of humor. You know, it comes across in interviews quite

680
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: quite dry and almost boring at times, and that's not Oscar.

681
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you and I have known him for a

682
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: long time, and when you speak to Oscar away from

683
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: the cameras, and I guess from work in inverted commas,

684
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: he's very funny. I actually attributed it a little bit

685
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: like for cricket fans, a little bit like Ritchie Banno's commentary,

686
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: and that if you listen to Richie Bno's commentary at

687
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: the time, it made perfect sense. It was perfectly delivered,

688
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: and it was very funny. You know, someone cops one

689
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 2: in the boxes. That's kind of smart. It was very understated,

690
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: very dry.

691
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Yes, I think if you go back and go back

692
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: and watch for anyone who hasn't seen it, the green

693
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: room after this race, when the driver's all watch the

694
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: highlights of the rates. Thought that actually summed that up

695
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: really well. Watching, Yeah, particularly when they're watching pairs and

696
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: signs crash into each other. I thought his commentary there

697
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: was exactly as you've described, Benoetz.

698
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so while it perfectly fits the situation, it doesn't translate.

699
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: If you write it down and read it, it doesn't work.

700
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 2: And that's where it looks dry and boring and unspectacledly,

701
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 2: where in reality it was delivered, you know, in a

702
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: very witchy sort of way. So I think I think

703
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: Oscar gets a bit of a hard, hard ride of

704
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: things on that side. But my second lot of points

705
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm going to give Franco Cola Pinto. I'm going to

706
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: give him four points because that kid, you know, he's good.

707
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: He's not special, just according according to James Vows, but

708
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: I yeah, he's one of these. And you occasionally get

709
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 2: these drivers who lob into Formula one, who've had that,

710
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: they've had solid careers. You know that they're not a

711
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: mug by any stretch of the imagination. But I've not

712
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: been a stand up, but they lob into Formula one

713
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, it just clicks and Franco colo

714
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: Pinto scored points in Baku. He was one point something

715
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: seconds behind Alex Alboto, driver who's very highly rated and regarded,

716
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, as the future of Williams in many respects,

717
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: and here's this kid, fresh out of Formula two doing

718
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 2: the job. Magnificent stuff. I love to see it.

719
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 3: That was very good.

720
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: I really did enjoy the fact that he bounced back

721
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: from a crash as well.

722
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: I thought it was really important.

723
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: And confermably, a crash around the street circuit effects a

724
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: driver's confidence and that goes for Oliver Bierman as well.

725
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: Well.

726
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: He's driven here before. In fact, he dominated him FORMU

727
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: TO two last year. I thought that was a really

728
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: good weekend and considering I know, look, we had a

729
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: little bit of a discussion about James Valds after the

730
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: Italian Grand Prix, but I mean he took a punt

731
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: on Colopinto scoring points and it's delivering so far.

732
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: You know, we'll wait and.

733
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: See ahead of our pine now exactly.

734
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: It was a massive point scoring weekend. Helped a little

735
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: bit by that crash, but nonetheless I'm going to give

736
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: and keep it positive and keep it positive, I'm going

737
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: to give. I'm going give twenty five points to Christian

738
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: Mantle this Formula one Formula two debut this weekend. I beg,

739
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: youve hardon and was really good, like had a very

740
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: solid weekend. And I don't mean to say really good

741
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: as if I'm surprised because you finished fifth in the

742
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: Formula three Championship and it's been on such a clear

743
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: upward trajectory. It's been really satisfying to see him constantly improving.

744
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: But you know, Formula two in the middle of the

745
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: year is a big step up, and at a track

746
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: like Baku, very difficult circuit, big price for mistakes. Started

747
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: on the reverse grid Poul which means he qualified in

748
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: the top ten, which is really good, and he did

749
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: fade he suspected he was going to fade in that

750
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: sprint race, but nonetheless finishing the points in both the

751
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: sprint and the feature race. It was just such a

752
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: really solid composed performance for a first weekend. It's a

753
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: tricky run actually to the I think it's really only

754
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: going to be Abu Dhabi, the track that is familiar

755
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: with the end of this one, so Katar is going

756
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: to be tough, and that is a tough circuit, particularly

757
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: if it's hot. We learned last year in Formula one.

758
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: So he's got a big task ahead of him. But

759
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: for a first weekend for and what is essentially a

760
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: mission to sort of embellish his CV for a Formula

761
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: two drive next year, just did such a good job.

762
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: Yep, perfectly timed, great performance. And you know you've stolen

763
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: some points off of my list because Christian Manser was

764
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: my little wild card entry for exactly the same reasons.

765
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: You know, he went in there, he drove well, you

766
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: know he was. He was within touching distance of Richard

767
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: for sure. You know who's in his fourth season of

768
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: Formula two, off the top of my head, a guy

769
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: who's you know, one races, stood on podiums, done everything

770
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: in Formula two, very experienced and he should be doing that,

771
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 2: but you know he is. And Christian Manser was there

772
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 2: or thereabouts, which were first working weekend in an unfamiliar

773
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: car and unfamiliar track. Yeah, and also his starting on

774
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: pole the sprint race was brilliant for him because he

775
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: got an opportuny to start from pole. He got an

776
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 2: opportunity to lead, he had an opportunity to battle, we

777
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: had a safety car restarts in there. There was a

778
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: little bit of everything that is going to be so

779
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: valuable for him when we get to this time next year,

780
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: when he's you know, in the thick of formula. So

781
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: so for that reason, you give him twenty five eighteen

782
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 2: because I gave him eighteen. I don't actually have a

783
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 2: rational for that, but yeah, for exactly the same reasons

784
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: as you. Good job, Christian Mansel.

785
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: So do you have another? Are we going for four ages?

786
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: That what we're going for now? So do you have

787
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: another one?

788
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

789
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 2: I guess I do have another one. That was that

790
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: was sort of three three from me, But I've got

791
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 2: one more up my sleeve, So let me.

792
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Have my third and then we'll go for four ages.

793
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Because I'm satisfied with this one.

794
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: So I'm going on.

795
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to give fifteen points to Sergiopeians the points

796
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: he should have got the third, not just because while

797
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: he pulled this one out. And you deserve some recognition

798
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: because like you, I do. I like that you mentioned

799
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: the podcast earlier that we should be pleased to see

800
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: him do well. Because he is a really solid racing drive.

801
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: But we know that he's a race winner before he

802
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: got to Red Bull racing as well. It's something I

803
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 1: think sometimes people forget, and it was good to see

804
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: him look confident and this is this is a repeat entry.

805
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: I guess for me because I enjoyed that he said this.

806
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: I think after the Italian Grand Prix as well, that

807
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: he really went to pains in azerbaijand to say, no,

808
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm not happy Max is beating me. I wish he

809
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: was ahead of me by a lot, because then it

810
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: would be good for the championship. I'm sad to see

811
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: him suffering so much when really, I mean, come on, Sergio,

812
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: you must be taking some some some satisfaction from this.

813
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: But he's really using this opportunity to say it's the car, guys,

814
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not your old pal, Sergio. Keep me

815
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: in the seat. So I like the opportunity.

816
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did well. I was very tempted to give

817
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 2: surgery points, but then I would have had to start

818
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: giving too many points out to too many people.

819
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 3: On these points are valuable, but I can't just be

820
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: given that.

821
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: Well, well, that's why we take so many away we

822
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: do tend to. I mean, this has been an unusual

823
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 2: episode and that we've given more points when we've taken away,

824
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 2: so to remedy that, I'm going to take some away. Now.

825
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 2: If we've awarded what's a fifteen sixty five, I'm going

826
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: to call it seventy five points that we've awarded roughly.

827
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to take exactly that number away from Ted

828
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: Kravitzky for his for his post qualifying interview with Lando Norris.

829
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: It was an excruciating piece of television right up there

830
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: with Natalie Pinkham and Christian Horner in where was it?

831
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Was it Manza?

832
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 3: I might have been even the Netherlands.

833
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but either way it was. It was not objective

834
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 2: and reasonable reporting. It wasn't befitting, you know, the feed

835
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: that goes out not just into the UK even, but

836
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 2: but globally and highlighted an uncomfortable degree familiarity and also

837
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: you know some of some fandom maybe even and bias

838
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: as well. You know, Sky is being criticized at the

839
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 2: moment four perceived bias towards the Brits, and that interview

840
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: was excruciating to watch in that context. So I thought, yeah,

841
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: I mean I'm trying to seriously justified taking seventy five

842
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,240
Speaker 2: and mentionary points away from Ted Kravitz, But I feel

843
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: justified in doing it.

844
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: I liked that. I don't know what was going on.

845
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: I didn't see footage of the interview. I don't believe anyway.

846
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: I was listening to it as qualifying was going on

847
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: the first few questions, you couldn't lando, so it sounded

848
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: like Ted was pretending to interview him. Oh you've been

849
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: knocked out? What happened? Oh dear?

850
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: So oh and it was the yellow flags? Oh no,

851
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 3: I really I enjoyed.

852
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: That element of it. So yeah, I think that's fair.

853
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: And look, let me bring it home with also subtracting something.

854
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 2: There we go the true spirit of.

855
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: The alternative Championship. Now, I believe we've given between you

856
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: and me. We've given Oscar Piastre thirty five points, twenty

857
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,439
Speaker 1: five from you and ten from me, and I think

858
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: if you've got the numbers ahead of you, I believe

859
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: that's right.

860
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 2: Yes, that is correct. Yeah, we've given him three foot so.

861
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to take five times that. So that's one

862
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five points off. Christian Horner afterwards, after

863
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: the Grand Prix, he was ardent to cut in all

864
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: question he was asked essentially alluded.

865
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: He took it.

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Speaker 1: He took a free show at McLaren, describing Lando Norris

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Speaker 1: as obviously the number one driver because he's being five paid,

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Speaker 1: five times as much as Oscar Piastri so obviously he

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Speaker 1: has to be the number one and McLaren obviously has

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Speaker 1: to be preferring him. It was a really wonderfully naked

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Speaker 1: example of a team principle flailing around a little bit,

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Speaker 1: trying to struggle land some punches on the day he's

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Speaker 1: lost control of the Constructors' Championship against his chief rival,

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Speaker 1: against Andrea Stella, probably the calmest man in the paddock

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Speaker 1: after Oscar Piastre. I thought it was such an obvious attempt,

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Speaker 1: such an obvious punch, that he deserves up many points

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Speaker 1: off whatever Oscar scored this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's I like it. I like what you've done there.

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Speaker 2: There's a degree of poetic justice to that. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: there we go. I think Christian he has slumped in

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Speaker 2: the order, hasn't He's not doing well. He was already

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Speaker 2: twenty ninth in the championship. He's going to be He's

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Speaker 2: going to be battling with RB towards the BA.

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Speaker 1: There was something pitty about that as well, I suppose,

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Speaker 1: or with that blockbuster edition of the Alternative Championship. That

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Speaker 1: is all the time we have of pit Talk this week,

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