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Speaker 1: I don't even know why I say it anymore. Fuck

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Speaker 1: it just I'm not even going to say where you're

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Speaker 1: say Hi. I'm going to start with the lady in

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Speaker 1: the room, lady, and the lady looks around. You're a lady.

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Speaker 1: You know you're a lady, but you're pretty much I mean,

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Speaker 1: you do declare that you're thirty percent dude, but you're

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Speaker 1: at least seventy percent lady.

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Speaker 2: That's a lot too, isn't it. That's the majority? Good?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like you are? You are pretty much yep, three quarterswoman.

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Speaker 1: Which part of you is more dude than do that?

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Speaker 3: Maybe my biceps and my mouth, my language, you.

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Speaker 1: Do have a body mouth. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: of that I want to take credit for, but either way,

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Speaker 1: I'm proud.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the influence.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're welcome. Hi, Bobby. Hey, what's going on over there? Well?

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Speaker 4: I'm on a podcast, obviously, Yeah that's good.

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Speaker 1: How's it going?

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Speaker 5: So I'm gonna say where I am or what it is,

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Speaker 5: because we're not doing that this episode.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, no, no, no, or.

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Speaker 5: Trying to calculate, like what percentage doude I am? I

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Speaker 5: don't know, Like what are you reading in this get up?

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Speaker 5: It's kind of hard to tell.

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Speaker 1: In it it is were you wearing something that looks

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Speaker 5: It's it's very it's ambiguous. I'm not even sure just myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to speculate some kind of well color

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Speaker 1: would you call that tiff burgundy? What would you call

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Speaker 1: that item of clothing that he's got over him?

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Speaker 2: Peculiar?

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Speaker 1: What would you call it? Me?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, like something like like a colorful version

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Speaker 5: a Fiddler on the Roof. A friend of mine actually said, like,

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Speaker 4: You're just like doing a play on Fiddler on the Roof.

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Speaker 5: And I never noticed that before, but yeah, now that

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Speaker 1: What's what's a temperature where you're at? What's the typical

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Speaker 5: Today it's been about I would say, nineteen degrees, but

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Speaker 5: it's been it's been like seven eight degrees for the

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Speaker 1: We're just coming towards the end of out our warm spot.

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Speaker 1: So it's I think it's going to be about thirty

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Speaker 1: two that's kind of plummet. But ah, dear, how's work mate?

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Speaker 1: Are you doing well? Are you loving life? Are you

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Speaker 4: Like a normal human.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk today, which you two know because

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Speaker 1: a little bit now that we're actually recording the idea.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember pledging at the beginning, I'll never not

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Speaker 1: Do you remember a moment in time, Bobby, where you

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Speaker 5: Too little, you're just not going to have the level

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Speaker 1: I actually think I'm more naturally creative than I am

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Speaker 1: academic and scientific. You know. For me, creativity I find easy,

434
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Speaker 1: not that I'm brilliant at it, but I find it

435
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:41,199
Speaker 1: much more like creating things and being funny and telling

436
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: stories and coming up with an idea and turning the

437
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 1: idea into a thing and having a concept in my

438
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: head that becomes a real thing outside my head. That's

439
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,880
Speaker 1: a creative process. I find that my more my natural

440
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: habitat than me writing academic papers. Like for me, that

441
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: is me doing a hard thing that it's not something

442
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: I'm great at, it's not my natural habitat, you know.

443
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: So I think if you can get clear about the

444
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: things where like where do you feel the best, what's

445
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: your you know, what is like for you your version

446
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: of your natural habitat where you feel like you most belong,

447
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: but also maybe you can do the most good, Like

448
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: I feel even with this podcast, while we share lots

449
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: of stories and ideas and information and research and that

450
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: I still over the top of that. My My priority

451
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: is that we create an experience that firstly is just

452
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 1: really good to listen to, Like is this an interesting conversation?

453
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,160
Speaker 1: Are these good stories? Is this relevant?

454
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Speaker 4: You know?

455
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Speaker 1: So for me it's like I guess trying to help

456
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Speaker 1: people find that part of maybe what they haven't found,

457
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: versus I've got to have a job and I've got

458
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Speaker 1: to pay the bills.

459
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Speaker 5: That resonates with me, like what do you really not

460
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 5: want and what's on the other side of that. Yeah,

461
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 5: I don't even think you have to have a correct answer.

462
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 5: It's not like this lightning bolt hits you. It's oh,

463
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 5: it's clear. I think there's also an element of go

464
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Speaker 5: out and play with that like we talk about like

465
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Speaker 5: carving out a path and stick to.

466
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Speaker 4: Itiveness and all of this is very important, but.

467
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Speaker 5: Mammals human let's talk human beings dedicate a good portion

468
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Speaker 5: of our life to play. Like Stuart Brown in his

469
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 5: book Play, he poses a question.

470
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Speaker 4: Why would we do that?

471
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Speaker 5: Because that's such a crazy thing for a human being

472
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Speaker 5: to do, or any primate to do. Because the time

473
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Speaker 5: that you're playing, you're not hunting, you're not vigilant for

474
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Speaker 5: threats and predators. It's kind of dangerous because it helps

475
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 5: create that creativity. It helps us imagine and test out

476
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Speaker 5: scenarios that are going to make a difference when we're

477
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Speaker 5: in real life survival situations, and most important, create socialization,

478
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 5: like how do we work together to survive and then thrive.

479
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 5: Go out and play with shit, because you know, you

480
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 5: might not have to rate that next book. Maybe it's

481
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 5: about playing that next instrument for you or I don't know,

482
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 5: maybe you want to be a forest ranger. I don't

483
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 5: know where that came from, but I forest Rangers's like

484
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 5: a pretty cool job. But play with shit and be

485
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 5: okay with like, hey this isn't for me, but oh man,

486
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Speaker 5: there's some elements, there's some elements of this that I

487
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 5: really like.

488
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Speaker 4: It's like, oh God, what is that? How do I

489
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Speaker 4: dissect that?

490
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, when I when I started working, I figured

491
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Speaker 1: out which I've shared many times here, so apologies, but

492
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 1: it's relevant to this chat. I figured out quite quickly

493
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Speaker 1: that I didn't want a job. In inverted comments, like

494
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to work, but I didn't want a job.

495
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Speaker 1: I didn't want to work for someone else necessarily not.

496
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Speaker 1: My bosses weren't terrible, but it wasn't an inspirational relationship.

497
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: They didn't I couldn't learn a lot from them. I

498
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: felt like I was stagnating and turning up at a

499
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: certain time and going at a certain time and doing

500
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 1: a set to do list of things and like I

501
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: could do it, and I did it, and I did

502
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 1: kind of eight years of that before I opened my

503
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: first business. But yeah, I was really clear by the

504
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: time I was about twenty or twenty one that me

505
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: having a job was not a thing that I wanted

506
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: for my entire adult life. I wanted to work. I

507
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: wanted to create. I wanted to make money. I wanted

508
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: to take ideas in my head and turn them into

509
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: actual things in the world. I wanted to build my

510
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: own team. I wanted to learn, you know, all that

511
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: stuff that I would learn outside of that other kind

512
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: of environment and that other model of work. And it's

513
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,879
Speaker 1: not that the other model of work, the standard or

514
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: the typical model, is a bad model, but it is

515
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: for me. And I think this is one of the

516
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: other challenges, is trying to figure out not what's good

517
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: for Bobby or Tip or Craig, not what's good globally

518
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: or not what's the standard protocol or what are the

519
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: three or four steps too, but rather for me, the listener,

520
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: the individual, with my personality and my outlook and my

521
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: passion and my purpose and the things that like my fire,

522
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: what's optimal for me, because what's optimal for even us

523
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: three is not the same, and we're probably quite similar

524
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: in a way, you know. But and then that trying

525
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: to and that's one of the tough things about being coached,

526
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I think, is that you know, whoever coaches you, like

527
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: it or not, they're going to have said ideas. We've

528
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: all got said ideas. I think hopefully we're open minded,

529
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: but at the same time, I'm always looking through the

530
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Craig lens at the world and you two are looking

531
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: through your lens, and it's trying to it's trying to

532
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: help people to understand themselves so that they can understand

533
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: for them what's the best door to open for you?

534
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: Because you're best or will be my worst door.

535
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 5: I think this is why, no matter what we're talking about,

536
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 5: whether it's writing that next book, pursuing your dreams, self

537
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 5: awareness is the key to of the lock on any

538
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 5: forward mobility in your life.

539
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: Like what what am I really about?

540
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: You know?

541
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 4: What am I? What am I afraid of?

542
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 5: Like? Why am I different than someone else? Like for me,

543
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 5: I know I didn't really care if I worked for

544
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: somebody or if I did my own thing.

545
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I've done both.

546
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 5: But the thing that the thing that for me has

547
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 5: been crushing about and not always, but there have been

548
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 5: times where I had very specific ideas within an organization.

549
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 5: I saw the world in a certain way and the

550
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 5: organization did not see the world that way, and I

551
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, my ideas are going to have to

552
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 5: either be repressed or are they're going to die because

553
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 5: this is just not the environment. We're not here right now,

554
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 5: We're not going in that direction. And now, when you

555
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 5: love something and you can't and express it. It hurts,

556
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 5: and I think.

557
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 4: It dampens you. It's like a dimmer switch on your brain.

558
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also I think, like why could or not

559
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: want it or not? Most of us live in a

560
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: kind of a collective mindset and culture where certain things

561
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: are the things to do and you need to you know, like,

562
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: you get married, you have a kid or two, you

563
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: might get divorced, you might get remarried, you have a job,

564
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: you have a car, you have a you know, there's

565
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, you get an education. Of course I get it.

566
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: But like, for example, I couldn't actually tell you how many,

567
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: but it would be well over a hundred times people

568
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: have said to me what is wrong with you? As

569
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: in what's wrong with me? I don't get it. They're like,

570
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: I don't get it, what's wrong with you? Why are

571
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: you not married? Like? Which is? I get it? And

572
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: that doesn't really hurt me. But it's a really fucking

573
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: offensive thing to say, right, and because they think and

574
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: that's cool, I'm I'm not at all anti marriage. In fact,

575
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: I think for most people marriage is a great choice,

576
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: or at least it's the right choice, you know. But

577
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: but for me, I never did and it wasn't a

578
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: goal that wasn't something I set out to do or

579
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: not do. It was not part of my to do list.

580
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: If it happened, it did, but as it turns out,

581
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: it didn't. Not good or bad, that's just my journey.

582
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, people when you don't do the thing that

583
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: they think you should do, Like literally, people say you,

584
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: But I don't get it. You're like, you're so normal, though,

585
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: and you seem so It's like they're trying to figure

586
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: out what's wrong with me or what's broken about me

587
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't be married, and you know, without trying

588
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: to over explain yourself or without trying to rationalize or justify,

589
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: I really don't get into it. But I'm amused how

590
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: with things like that, how judgmental people can be without

591
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: even remotely thinking they're being judgmental. Like, I'm like, that

592
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: is so fucking rude, And you don't even know you're

593
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: being rude because you're you're essentially insulting how I live

594
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: and how I've chosen to be.

595
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: I'm curious why it's so important to someone else that

596
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 5: you're not married. Yeah, like, are you living next door

597
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 5: to them and their cheating spouse? Is that what the

598
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 5: concern is, I mean, what, how does it affect their

599
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 5: life if you're not married?

600
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah?

601
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: So I think.

602
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: I was going to say, tif do you get any

603
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: of that? Sorry?

604
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course?

605
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: How old are you now? Forty two?

606
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 4: Right?

607
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: Forty two in May? But you keep putting me there

608
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: far earlier?

609
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,479
Speaker 1: What day in May? So we can all start saving

610
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: first of May?

611
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: May day, May day, May day.

612
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: May day? Does it bother you or do you get

613
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: it often? Or how do you deal with it?

614
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't bother me. I just tell people I've got

615
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: a lot of issues.

616
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you tell people you've got three blokes on

617
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: the go? I'm doing all right.

618
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: Sometimes I wish I could just say I was gay

619
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: so that people would, you know, so blokes would just

620
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 3: leave me alone.

621
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: Well, you're thirty percent dudes. So I don't know why

622
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: I said that. I don't think that makes any difference

623
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: at all.

624
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting, but I guess people are just a

625
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: lot of people that have followed that same that path

626
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: are around people that have all done this. You know,

627
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 3: they've grown up, they've done the same thing. They've It's

628
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: just an expectation. It's interesting and it's not something we

629
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: think we're choosing. When we follow the herd, we just

630
00:33:58,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: do what people are doing.

631
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's why I think it is.

632
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: What's that.

633
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 5: I don't think people are doing things for their own

634
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 5: intrinsic reasons.

635
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: I think they're doing them.

636
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying in general a lot of people

637
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 5: are doing I'm not saying if you're married, you didn't

638
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: marry your spouse for intrinsic reasons.

639
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: But this.

640
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: Obsession with everybody doing the same thing that I do, Like,

641
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 5: oh my god, are you married?

642
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: No?

643
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: Why aren't you married? Oh you're married? You have kids?

644
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: What?

645
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 4: No kids?

646
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: Why?

647
00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: What's wrong? What's the matter? If you think about the.

648
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 5: Most fulfilling thing you've ever done in your life, yes,

649
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 5: you want to bring other people into it, but you're

650
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 5: not overly obsessed and preoccupied with who's doing exactly what

651
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 5: I'm doing and who's not because you're doing your thing.

652
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 5: So I wonder how much confidence we have in the

653
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Speaker 5: things we do if we insist that everybody's got to

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Speaker 5: be exactly like us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually you think that most people like I

656
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: personally think this is not a broad thing. But for me,

657
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: most of the things that I do that work for

658
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Speaker 1: me I would not recommend for other people because I

659
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 1: think for a lot of people the stuff that I do,

660
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: they wouldn't like, they wouldn't enjoy it, they wouldn't be

661
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Speaker 1: living their best life. It wouldn't work for them because

662
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Speaker 1: they're not like me, not better, not worse, you know,

663
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 1: just not me different, And so the shit that works

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Speaker 1: for me, especially by the time you get to my age,

665
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: when you've lived by yourself for decades and decades and decades, right, well,

666
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: you just you have a certain operating system and you

667
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: know what works. And looking through someone else's lens at

668
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: your behavior, they could go, you're weird, and that doesn't

669
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: bother me. I would say, by your standards, I'm weird

670
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: and I get it that and you know, and by

671
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: my standards, you might be weird, and it's all good.

672
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Speaker 1: And we don't all need to as you were inferring

673
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Speaker 1: mate will need to be on the same team or

674
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. But I think like ultimately, this

675
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Speaker 1: idea that there is a single best way to do

676
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: pretty much anything is a pretty flawed. You know, there's

677
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: the best way to eat, No, there's not. There's the

678
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: best way to have a relationship. Nope, there isn't there's

679
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: the best way to build a business. Nope, there are

680
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: a million great ways to do a million different things right,

681
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: and it's trying to find out what is the optimal

682
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: protocol for that individual based on a myriad of variables.

683
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: It's not about you want to get to be well.

684
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Speaker 1: The way that you get to be is these three steps.

685
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Speaker 1: But I think that this is the idea that we

686
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: get sold a lot in our culture is that there

687
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: are you know, that there is a best diet, that

688
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: there is a best business model, that there is a

689
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: best podcast, whatever, there's the best podcast in the world. No,

690
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: it's not. But some people, some people love this show.

691
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: Some people listen for four minutes and go, this is

692
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: fucking bullsh I don't blame them, you know, it's like

693
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: but for some people it's inspirational, it resonates, it's a

694
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: bit amusing, and for those people it is it literally

695
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: is that experience, and for other people it's not. So

696
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: we're not trying to be all things for all people.

697
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,760
Speaker 1: And we realize that, you know, there is no I guess,

698
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: universal process that fits or serves every person.

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Speaker 4: What the tyranny of homogeny?

700
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Speaker 3: Why do you think people because the Comedy's Festival's on

701
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 3: on what I'm doing a lot of watching reels and stuff.

702
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: Why do you think people get so angry and expressive

703
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: when they don't find a comedian funny? Like, there's been

704
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: a few clips of Dave Hughes on different things lately,

705
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: and I always look the comments and so many people

706
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: are like, he's not even funny, he's not even funny,

707
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 3: but they're so angry about it, And I'm like, well,

708
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: he makes his money from his humor, and people are

709
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: buying tickets to see him, and people are laughing at him,

710
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: and people are enjoying what he does.

711
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 2: So why are you so.

712
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: Angry that someone you don't find funny is having success?

713
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 3: And why do you want to bring them down?

714
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Speaker 1: That's a good question. That's a good question. I think

715
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Speaker 1: I love that the truth. The truth is, it's like, well,

716
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: he's not funny for me. Yeah, to me, Comma, he's

717
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: not funny, But you don't speak on behalf of everyone,

718
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: So shut the fuck up. Just preface everything you're going

719
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: to say with in my opinion, and maybe we'll listen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a type of person that I see emerging

721
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Speaker 5: more frequently, and to me, I think it's because things.

722
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Speaker 4: Are disruptive and what we're talking about with lack.

723
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Speaker 5: Of predictability, you have a harder time grappling with adversity.

724
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Speaker 5: I mean, to me, I'm thinking, one, if I got

725
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 5: to see a comedian and I reserve the night out

726
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 5: paid money and comedians not funny, all right, that sucks

727
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 5: because I could have grabbed the.

728
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 4: Curry instead and just like stay at home.

729
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Speaker 5: But there's if I'm watching a YouTube video, it's a

730
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 5: very different story is and I what I'm seeing is

731
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 5: that comedian is not funny. It's almost like they don't

732
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Speaker 5: deserve their success. I deserve success because I'm a real person,

733
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Speaker 5: working a real job, making a real contribution. Yeah, because

734
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Speaker 5: like what the fucking thought leaders and comedians ever contributed

735
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Speaker 5: to society?

736
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 4: Like get over yourself.

737
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 5: And it's like and if I'm not living my dream

738
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 5: doing real work, why should somebody who is an entertainer

739
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 5: who just tells jokes for a living, why should they have.

740
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Speaker 4: All that success?

741
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Speaker 5: And it's like, wow, what is that contributing to your

742
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 5: life or anybody else's Because this person's living their dream, right,

743
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 5: this person's contributing. I think comedians are people who turn

744
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 5: a mirror and have us look at ourselves as individuals

745
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Speaker 5: and society, and they frame it through humor in a

746
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Speaker 5: way where it's palatable, where I don't automatically reject it,

747
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 5: because there's a common, undeniable truth there, which is what

748
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Speaker 5: makes it funny.

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Speaker 4: So I think comedians are one of the most valuable

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Speaker 4: people in society.

751
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Speaker 5: Not saying they are, I'm just saying from my perspective,

752
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Speaker 5: that's how I see it.

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Speaker 4: I wonder I wonder that, like, why would that because

754
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Speaker 4: it's the question you asked. I think that all the time.

755
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Speaker 5: Why are you so angry about you not finding someone funny?

756
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Speaker 1: What do you think is because you know, if these

757
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Speaker 1: people jump on and bag Dive Hughes for example, like

758
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Speaker 1: tiff was, by the way, I love Dive Hughes. I

759
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: know him quite well. I've trained him a dozen times

760
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: and you know we've done shows with him, and he

761
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: is a rock solid human. May not find him funny

762
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: or you may either way. That's okay. But obviously when

763
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Speaker 1: someone jumps in this little online platform and they're just

764
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: screaming fucking venom and whatever, you're like, okay, but we

765
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: know that it's not going to change anything. It's not

766
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: like anyone's going to change what they're doing because you're

767
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: saying this, right, I wonder what the motivation is. And

768
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: I think, like, I think of all the things that

769
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: you could be doing today with your time and your

770
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: potential and your brain and your ability to type and

771
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: to pay attention to things. Of all the things that

772
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: you could do, this is what you're choosing to do

773
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: to write this horrible, hurtful you know. And it's not

774
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: even I mean, it's just an opinion of a person.

775
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: It's not like we're even talking about some global issue.

776
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: Like what's the reason for that? Do people just want

777
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: attention or validation? What do they want? Bobby?

778
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 5: No, But you're right, I should probably stop doing that.

779
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 5: He did so much time spew and vanom on the internet.

780
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you should maybe wind back on that. Like, there's

781
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: a dude out the moment. I'm not going to say

782
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: his name, but he's been on a lot of podcasts

783
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: I've listened to, and I find him he seems like

784
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: a really nice guy, really likable, bit lovable, bit of

785
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: a lad. But I find his stand up unfunny, which

786
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: is why I'm not going to say his name. But

787
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: he's got a new thing out at the moment, and

788
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: I wish he was funny, And I'm sure people do

789
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: find him funny, but I look at him, you know,

790
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: when you really want someone to be good, but to you,

791
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: they're not hits like that. For me, I want this

792
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: guy to be funny because he's a good guy and

793
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: I like him, and he's got some good stories. But

794
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: when he walks out on stage and does stand up

795
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: to me, it's completely unfunny. But I would never write that,

796
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: or I would never And at the same time, I

797
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: don't like. I literally look at it and I go,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you get ten thousand people in

799
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: a room. I don't know how he does it. But

800
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: there's no jealousy and no resentment. It's like, I'm like,

801
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: you're fucking amazing. You're amazing that you've got this ability

802
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: to do this, you know. But that's the thing, is

803
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: like someone else would look at him and go, no,

804
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: he's a comedic genius. You don't get it.

805
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 3: What about how much I used to dislike for no reason,

806
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 3: Jimmy Carr. Now I can't get enough of him. I

807
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 3: binge him all the time. He's very full on, very controversial,

808
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: at times.

809
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: But now he's one of my favorites.

810
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

811
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 3: Wow, and only because I listened to his podcast on

812
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: Dirivis Ceo heard him as a human went oh, you're

813
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 3: very smart and very good.

814
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: Well that's the thing I love about him too, is that.

815
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:55,319
Speaker 1: And while he can be fucking a lot politically incorrect

816
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: as anything, but yeah, he's to me anyway, he's super

817
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: intelligent and he thinks things through, and he he's not

818
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: a sheep. He's not living in the fucking the ideological

819
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: echo chimber at all. He's got his own little space

820
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: and if people like it or don't like it, he's

821
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: okay with that.

822
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

823
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Speaker 5: I mean, you make a living observing the world and

824
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 5: extracting insights and delivering it in the way that's humorous.

825
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 5: You have to be highly intelligent. What I love about

826
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Speaker 5: Jimmy kar is and I like his comedy a lot,

827
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 5: but a lot of times I'm sure the two of

828
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: you have done the same thing. Where I'm not watching

829
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 5: someone presents something, I'm studying them. His delivery, his timing

830
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 5: is exquisite. Like if you had if you had a

831
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 5: script and you memorized everything that Jimmy Krr said in

832
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 5: one of his shows and you got up in front

833
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 5: of a room of people and you said the same

834
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Speaker 5: exact thing.

835
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Speaker 4: One you're plagiarizing. Shame on you, two.

836
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 5: It would be it wouldn't be funny at all because

837
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 5: you wouldn't have his cadence, you wouldn't have his rhythm

838
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 5: and timing. It's just so damn precise and his brain's

839
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 5: working that quick. Because one of my favorite things about

840
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 5: Jimmy Carr is he'll rock up and probably know exactly

841
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 5: what he's going to say, he's rehearsed at a hundred times,

842
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 5: but then he'll open up the audience to heckle him.

843
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: He has no idea what's coming, but he has certain

844
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 5: patterns of thought. It's almost like a chess master. It's

845
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 5: like they don't think fifty steps ahead of the average person.

846
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 5: They just recognize patterns easily. So he's gonna have a

847
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 5: comeback and it's going to be on point nine out

848
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 5: of ten times. To me, Wow, that's even more impressive

849
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 5: to me.

850
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Speaker 1: And then you get some jourius in the audience who

851
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: thinks he's gonna fucking decimate Jimmy Carr, who's a tenth

852
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: then verbal black belt. It's like, yeah, good luck, Champ,

853
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: you fucking good luck, good luck. Do your best, but

854
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: do that I mean for hecklers. Yeah, it's kind of stupid,

855
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: isn't it. But in that environment, like do they really think?

856
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 5: Or is that just part of the fun because he's

857
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 5: opened up to the audience like, you do your worst

858
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 5: and we're all going to have fun.

859
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 4: And I have to laugh at your expense a little bit.

860
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 4: But no, how I'm done.

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00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think people who can do comedy and

862
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: you know, recognized as being very funny. Ah, yeah, it's

863
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: a different people. Don't people underestimate what kind of intelligence

864
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: that takes and situational awareness and social intelligence and emotional

865
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: intelligence and timing and skill and memory, you know, to

866
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: stand up there and make ten thousand people laugh. That

867
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: is that. I'm jealous of comics because I would like

868
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: to be, But I'm too terrified. If you said you've

869
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: got to talk, You've got to do a corporate speech

870
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: to three thousand people, I'm like, no worries. If they

871
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: said you've got to do three minutes of stand up

872
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: to five people, I'm not showing up. I'm too scared.

873
00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 5: I've done it. It is brutal how'd you go horribly?

874
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 5: Because the very first time I did stand up, I

875
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 5: did it a few times, and the very first time

876
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 5: I did stand up, I got what I thought now

877
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 5: in retrospect, I didn't realize that then it was the

878
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: worst possible response because people were laughing. I mean, they

879
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 5: weren't like laughing, like if there was a real comedian

880
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 5: up there, but for someone who was doing an open

881
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 5: mic night. There were quite a few juggles within the

882
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 5: five minutes, and I got this thought in my head, Oh,

883
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: I could do this, and then you come out on

884
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 5: thet I'm the next big thing. No, I'm not that delusional,

885
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 5: but I was like, I could do open mic night

886
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 5: just for a laugh, and if I work on it,

887
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 5: I'll get much better. And I could carry this in

888
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 5: into my day job. And then you get up a

889
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 5: couple of more times, and what happens in those evenings

890
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 5: with those audiences is what should have happened the first time,

891
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 5: where man, you're.

892
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 4: It's just silence.

893
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 5: You bomb so bad and it hurts, it hurts you

894
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 5: feel I don't care. I don't care how resilient you are,

895
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 5: I don't care how thick skinned you are. It really

896
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 5: hurts I remember the second time I got up at

897
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 5: this show and you can't see anybody because it's like

898
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 5: just lights and it's just blackness, but you see the

899
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 5: front row.

900
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 4: The only response I got from the.

901
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 5: Audience was this old guy giving me the middle finger

902
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 5: and running his finger across his throat, like saying something

903
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 5: to the effect of get the fuck off the stage.

904
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 5: And I was so grateful for that guy because that

905
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 5: was the one person that was willing to engage with me.

906
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 4: He made me feel like I was alive.

907
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 5: I would in my fantasy, like other life, I would

908
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 5: have liked to be a comedian.

909
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 4: The only problem is, like I'm not that funny.

910
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm funny, but after you get over my

911
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 5: physical appearance, that's only going to take me a minute

912
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 5: or two.

913
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 4: So you gotta have material beyond that.

914
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: Stop it, stop it. It's our jomp to put you down.

915
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: You stop that. This has been a hotchpotch of a conversation.

916
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: This has been a fucking fruit salad, a verbal fruit salad.

917
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how we got where we got, but

918
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: it's always good to catch up with both you, Bobby.

919
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,359
Speaker 1: How can people find you, listen to you, connect with you?

920
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: They can find me on the self ubantidote dot com.

921
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 5: They could find me on Robert Capuccio dot com. They

922
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 5: could find me on Tiff show. I'm there quite a bit.

923
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 5: Haven't been in a while, haven't been invaded, to be.

924
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: Fair, have you been invited so much?

925
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: What?

926
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 4: When?

927
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 3: Oh?

928
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 4: This was last time. Okay, that's a fair point. So

929
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 4: you can find.

930
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it when you two have a fight

931
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: on my show about your shows, Jiff. We'll say goodbye

932
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:51,479
Speaker 1: for us three.

933
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 4: But thank you Tiff, thank you, thank you Tiff, Thank you.

934
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 4: Craig