WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 17 April 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:07.440 Lateens General. Welcome to the Late Blade. Well, good evening 0:00:07.440 --> 0:00:08.280 and thanks for joining us. 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:11.119 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:12.360 Coming up tonight. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.520 Bizarre scenes at a wedding in Kenya as a man 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.760 grabs onto a helicopter taking off with the bride and 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:19.280 the groom. 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:20.759 We'll show you that a little later. 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:23.680 Plus when we look at the papers, householders set for 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:28.400 another power price rise, and new research suggests air quality 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:33.000 may affect women's chances of getting pregnant via iv Airfall 0:00:33.040 --> 0:00:35.559 of that a little later. We want to start the 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.360 show tonight with fascinating new research that shows young men 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:43.479 in this country are becoming more traditional, particularly as it 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.760 pertains to gender roles. Research has found Australian males aged 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:52.000 fifteen to twenty four hold more traditional beliefs about gender 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:55.720 roles than any other age group apart from men over 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.520 the age of sixty five. The research shows that while 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:04.000 the popular generally is becoming more progressive, young men think 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:08.240 women make the best primary caregivers for children and men 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:13.000 should take responsibility as the primary breadwinners in the home now. 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.959 The researchers have postulated the number of reasons why fifteen 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.839 to twenty four year old males may be becoming more 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.320 traditional in their outlooks. Some have said social media, it's 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:24.680 the influence of Andrew Tait. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.319 Others have suggested it. 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:31.000 Don't make us love Andrew Tay, a backlash against feminism, 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.280 or maybe it's just economic realities. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:36.120 I've got some thoughts. But Lizen Caleb, how about it? 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:36.720 What do you think? 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.760 I love this. I love this. There is vote for 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:41.640 the future, ladies and gentlemen. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.600 If men is young are waking up to the fact 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.120 that this is the kind of life they foresee for 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.760 themselves and they want, then there. 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:51.400 Is vope for the future. 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:53.800 Of course, Now what you have to do, young men, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.440 is ensure that you don't faf your youth away because 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.600 if you want to stay at home wife, and I 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.640 know men any women who would love to live that life, 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:04.960 If you want that, you've got to be. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.640 Able to afford it. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.600 Because it boggles my mind the amount of men these days, 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.240 and I know we've normalized this. 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.480 The question is is it a good thing? 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:17.560 The amount of men these days who whife or woman 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.400 only to send her off to work for another man 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:25.720 while a stranger another woman who is a stranger raises 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:30.320 their children. It makes absolutely no sense to me. But 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:33.400 of course there are many households who simply can't afford 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.520 to be single income households. But if you want to 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.960 be countercultural in today's society, you marry relatively young, like 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:44.720 our parents did mom, where my mom and dad were 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:47.480 twenty and twenty one when they got married, started having 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:48.560 kids straight away. 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:50.119 That's why there's seven of us. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.960 My mom decided it was the best thing since LIC's bread. 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:58.000 And I genuinely believe, despite all the feminism trash that 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:01.279 women are fed these days. If from a young age 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.040 they get married because a man comes along and says, hey, 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:08.080 I want to be a protective provider in your life, 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:12.840 that will all go out the window. Homegirl returns to 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.280 factory settings when the right man comes along, let me 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.600 tell you she is more than happy to play that role. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.080 And then yeah, he's got to be able to afford that, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.519 he's got to be able to afford the children, etcetera, 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:29.360 and so on. Currently in today's society, we're just not 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.000 seeing that. Back in the fifties and so on, it 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:37.360 was perfectly normal for a single income obviously the man's 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.120 income to be able to pay for a very comfortable 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.480 house in the suburbs, kids go to school, wife stays 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:46.720 at home, raises the children, cooks, et cetera, et cetera, 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.880 and so on, and the vast majority of people were 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:54.080 very happy with that status quo before pile of feminists 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.120 burnt their bras and decided it was oppression. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:58.440 I'll come back to the economics of it in a minute, 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:01.320 because I do think that's very interesting point, and it 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.560 counts for women as well as men when you look 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.400 at this data. But I think as to why it 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:09.120 is specifically boys between the age of fifteen and twenty 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.800 four who seem to be having the upticker, I think 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:15.680 we've reached that pressure point now where boys have been 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.320 demonized and men have been demonized so much that you've 0:04:19.320 --> 0:04:22.200 finally got a group turning around and saying, actually, I 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.159 just don't want to cop this anymore. They feel left 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:29.200 out to see as though they don't really have a 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:33.279 role in the world anymore. That masculinity, as we all know, 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.920 masculinity has been demonized, and so they're not really sure 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.920 where they fit in the world, and they're looking at 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.240 a time when men didn't know where they fit in 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:46.480 the world and had a place to contribute to the world, 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.240 and they're saying, well, I want to be able to 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.000 contribute to the world, and so it's only natural that 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.400 they would say, well, yeah, I mean, the world looked 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.760 like a much better place when we had traditional gender roles. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:58.760 And the economics of it, because if you look at 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.719 the data, and if you bring up the graphic for 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:05.200 what women believe, because I think this is quite interesting, 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.120 you'll see an uptick there as well in women aged 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.760 fifteen to twenty four. It's not as stark as the 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.360 uptick in boys, but there is still an uptick the 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:19.719 only age group of women who have had an uptick 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.760 in the belief in traditional gender roles. And I think 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:25.799 the economics of this is that young people in particular 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.640 are starving to realize that they have been sold a coon, 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:31.799 both boys and girls are realizing the idea that women 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.440 can have it all just isn't true. You look at 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:39.320 the first generation that probably will never own a home 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:42.480 unless their parents give them a leg up, or their 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:46.159 parents die and they inherit the house. So the circumstances 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.599 in which they would traditionally create a family are fast 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.240 disappearing from them, and so they're looking at all of 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.640 this and going, well, the world that I thought i'd 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.960 be able to have, the one that my parents had, 0:05:57.400 --> 0:06:00.320 just doesn't exist. So what can we do to try 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:02.280 and get back to it. I mean, you talk about 0:06:02.440 --> 0:06:06.800 having a one income household in Sydney today. If you 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:09.560 want to be able to live, you need an income, 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:12.760 a household income for a two person, you know, mum 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.560 and dad and two kids of three hundred grand just 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.680 to live, to service an average mortgage and all your 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:22.760 other experience three hundred grand. That's why you don't have 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:25.400 just dad going to work and mum at home anymore, 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:27.960 because no one can bloody afford it. And I think 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.560 young women and young men are looking at this and 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.440 saying this is not the world I want to live. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.280 I think in addition to that, they're not just looking 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.680 at the economics, they're looking at their own experience. These 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:40.760 are young people aged fifteen to twenty four. Seven of 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.640 the questions that were asked out Of those seven, four 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.360 of them were quite specific. Do they believe that it's 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:48.279 better for a woman to take care of the children 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.839 rather than the man? Do children do just as well 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:56.320 if cared for by dad? As by mum. Should mums 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:58.839 who don't need to work still go and work anyway, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.160 or should they be at home with the kids? And 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.960 can a working mum have a relationship with kids just 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.080 as good. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:06.479 As a mum who's at home. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.800 And clearly these younger people have answered in favor of 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.000 mums being at home because that would be their experience. 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:15.160 They haven't had a mum at home a lot of them. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:17.960 And clearly those boys are saying we want that or 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:22.280 would have preferred it. And interestingly, girls, increasingly, younger girls 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:24.080 are saying we would actually like to be stay at 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:25.440 home mums, which is a. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.040 Rejection of the idea you can go out work have 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:28.520 it all. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.680 They've experienced a lack of mum at home and they 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.800 don't want that for their kids. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:37.320 Yeah, indeed, and also many women discover very soon after 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.640 entering the workforce, I don't want to do this till 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.240 the day I die. I am utterly exhausted. And this 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:47.680 all stems back to our avid denial these days of 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:51.440 the differences between men and women. We are not built 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:56.600 the same externally or internally, and we just don't want 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:57.480 the same things. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.840 We see this particularly. 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.440 In Sweden, where they've been over backwards to get equity 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.440 in the workforce. And guess what, women still made your 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:11.520 traditional women choices and the men still made traditional male choices. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:14.280 To the UK now where you heard last night the 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:19.240 UK Supreme Court has ruled that only biological women are 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:24.560 women before the law. This was a huge victory for 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.040 common sense in that part of the world. 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:27.600 And JK. 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:31.080 Rowling, who we know was a avid defender of women's 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.200 rights and has been written off by her enemies as 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:38.960 a trans exclusionary radical feminist. She took to Twitter to 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:43.719 celebrate this win. She said, it took three extraordinary, tenacious 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:46.920 Scottish women with an army behind them to get this 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:50.480 case heard by the Supreme Court, and in winning they've 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:54.160 protected the rights of women and girls across the UK. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:59.160 For Women's Scotland, she said, I'm so proud to know you. 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.120 One of for Women's Scotland co director, her name is 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:05.240 Susan Smith. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.320 Here she was celebrating outside court yesterday. 0:09:15.080 --> 0:09:18.280 We were in a really difficult place in Scotland. Then 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.559 we thought we were going to see rights for women 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:25.960 rolled back, and today the judges have said what we 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.880 always believed to be the case that women are protected 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:33.679 by their biological sex, that sex is real, and that 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.960 women can now feel faith. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.280 Who would have thought we'd live to see the day 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.559 we'd be cheering so loudly for such a statement of 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:47.079 abject truth from a Supreme court. But here we are, 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:51.599 ladies and gentlemen, And you'd think, given the strong stance 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:55.840 their President Trump's administration has taken since making it to 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.600 the White House on all these DEI issues, and women 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.160 being women, and trans people no longer being fit for 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:08.440 military service in their humble estimation, so on and so forth, 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.360 you'd hope that we'd start to see a bit of 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:15.920 that from our political leaders here in Australia. But this 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.400 is what Peter Dutton had to say today when he 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:21.440 was asked about yesterday's win in the UK. 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:25.559 The British Upraine Court yesterday has ruled that a woman 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.360 is defined as a biological female and not someone who 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:30.520 identifies as a woman. 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:32.920 Do you think that's the right call? And in light 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:35.040 of this ruling, one is your definition of the woman? 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:36.680 Well, that's a matter. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:38.920 Obviously it's been before the British courts. I haven't seen 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.160 the detail of the case and it's not something that's 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:44.199 I think in front of minds at this election. I 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.480 think this election in Australia is about who do you 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.960 trust to manage the economy and to keep inflation down? 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.640 Dodge, weave and deflect. 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:57.360 What a pathetic illustration of cowardice that was from Peter 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:58.480 Dutton today. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:01.120 I got to say, I am so disappointed. 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:05.240 It should be the easiest question to answer, ar I mean, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:08.720 for goodness sake, it was answered in the movie Kindergarten 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:17.600 Kop Boys have a penist, girls half of that China. 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:23.680 Thanks for the tip biological facts from a four year old. 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:28.480 And don't forget that the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi once 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.959 sat in front of Peters Morgan and was asked the 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.840 question what is a woman? And he managed to say 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:39.040 an adult human female. So even Anthony Albanesi can define 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.800 a woman in front of the cameras and Peter Dutton 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.800 refuses to do so. I think this business about Dutton 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.480 being scared of being linked to Donald Trump, because we 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.160 know that the alp in certain sections of the media 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:53.320 have been trying to pin that on him. I think 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.960 his fear of that now has gone way too far. 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:58.839 We've seen a number of examples of that this week. 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:01.839 One was on the lead debate the other night last night, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.400 where he was asked whether he trusts Donald Trump and 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.360 he said, well, I've never met the guy, and then 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.160 refused to answer the question. Meanwhile, Albow says, course I 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.040 trust him. I mean, for goodness sake, it should be 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:15.480 the easiest question to answer. And again easy question to answer. 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.360 What is a woman a biological woman? I mean, how 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.960 hard is it to answer that? But he's so afraid 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.720 of that little sound being picked up by someone and 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.880 taken off somewhere else, And he's afraid of the moderates 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.520 in his own party turning around and saying, well, it's 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.160 your fault that we lost the election because you stood 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.720 up on the fifteenth of April or whatever it is today, 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.960 sixteenth of April and said that, you know, women are 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:43.440 biological females. I mean, for goodness sake, just nail your 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:48.200 colors to the mast, be honest, because even if people 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.800 don't always agree with you, people like and trust politicians 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.880 that they feel like a being upfront with death. No 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:59.640 one likes politicians that dark and weave and refuse to 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.720 be on If Peter Dutton says this is what I think, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:06.120 even those who don't agree will begrudgingly say well, at 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:08.720 least the blokes telling us what he thinks. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:10.400 And the only good thing about that is he at 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.880 least didn't reprise his line from the debate last night 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.239 and say well, I'm not a scientist or a biologist 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.160 when asked for Duntan to say, well, it's a matter 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.120 for the British courts. I mean you've got Kirily Smith, 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.280 who was facing court this week, I believe because she 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.400 dared to point out that a biological man was playing 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.320 soccer against girls. She's in court. So it's not just 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.920 a matter for British courts. You've got people in this 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.840 country who are facing courts and tribunals over this issue 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:39.320 of what is a woman? For him to say well, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.240 I haven't seen the details, I mean, as you pointed 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.040 out Caleb with Kindergarten cop, the details are pretty clear. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.720 You don't need to read the British judgment to be 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.319 able to say what is a woman. But he missed 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.839 an incredible opportunity here. I mean, you've got transgendered ideology 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.720 ruining people's lives, making a mockery of women's rights. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.040 Our country look ridiculous. 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:04.880 And if Peter Dutton could have just answered simply, a 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:07.360 woman as a woman, a man is a man. Sex 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:11.200 is binary, it's a fixed biological thing. And then he 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.920 could have added, why would you ever trust the Labor 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.640 Party who have instituted right around the country self identification laws. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.320 Why would you trust the Greens when they lie to 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.840 you about what a woman is? Why would you believe 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.200 any promises they make? 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:25.040 Now, this is the. 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:27.840 Problem with Dutton. If he doesn't have the courage to 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:31.600 say what a woman is, why would conservatives who are 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:34.560 very worried about the future direction of our country believe 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:36.720 he's got the courage to make the big calls that 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.040 need to be made in. 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:39.160 Order to get our country. 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.400 And i'll quote Peter Dutton back on track exactly. 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.760 I just how can you not just answer the question 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.960 unless you're afraid? Why would you not answer the question? 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.400 And I come back to the point. Every time this 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:54.760 is brought up, people say, oh, well, you know he's 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.880 not going to win the election on it anyway, And 0:14:56.920 --> 0:14:59.160 that may well be true, But is it not just 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.360 a matter of fear aness to say in these matters? 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.600 And we're a country that believes in the fair go 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.800 that increasingly women's sport is gaining profile and young girls 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.920 across the country are playing sport in greater numbers than 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.280 they've ever played it, and that's a great thing. It's 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:18.040 good to see them out playing sport and participating. We 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.280 dream of a time when one day they will be 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.320 on the same pedestal and the same grounds as the men, etc. 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:26.560 And in order to do that, they should be protected 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.840 from having biological males on the football. And how hard 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:31.360 is it to make that argument. 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.280 Gwyn Hanson is doing so well and why her numbers 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.840 are rising. It's rubbish like that from the leader of 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.960 the coalition that's driving people towards Pauline Hanson. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.880 Indeed, and the bottom line is this is not the 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:47.480 behavior of a leader. You're asked, oh do you trust 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.760 Donald Trumba or I've never met him? Asked about climate 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:53.280 change last night during the leaders of well, I'm not 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:57.240 a scientist. We know you're not a scientist. We asked 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.800 you for where you stand on this particular topic. Nobody 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.240 wants to vote for a fence sitter because either you 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.400 don't have an opinion on what is a very important 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.840 whether it's Trump, whether it's climate change, whether it's what 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:11.560 is a woman. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:15.240 Nobody wants to vote for a fence sitter. Either you 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:15.760 don't have. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.960 An opinion, which would be very alarming indeed, or you 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.760 do and you're being like you said, Caleb, you're being dishonest. 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:24.560 Yeah, well, you know, you sit on the fence, you 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.280 get splinters in your bum and you know what else 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:28.440 comes out your bum? Gas? And that may well be 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:33.160 exactly where this policy came. What I know, it's one 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:36.240 of my best. Look, it's a Thursday night before Easter. 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:38.280 I figure I've got to run some good lines on 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.280 you at home. I know. I mean, I've only got 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.440 coke in this cup here. I wish there's some bourbon 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:44.960 or something to go in it. But I'm sure you're 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.400 sitting back with a nice sniffer of brandy or a 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:49.640 glass of red or something. And you chuckled away at that. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.760 But their gas plan, which Dutton unveiled in his budget 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.920 in reply speech to make sure that we have gas 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.280 available locally in Australia, which is a good aim. I'm 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:01.880 totally on board with what he wants to do. But 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.720 what he said was they would put a levy on 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:09.679 liquid natural gas exports overseas over and above the contracts 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:12.560 that already exist, and the idea is that that would 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.760 then force them to flood the local market on the 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.359 East Coast with gas instead of selling it overseas, because 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.000 there would be a financial impost if they decided to 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.920 do so. There's only one problem though, and Toomey, who 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:31.200 is one of the most prominent constitutional experts in the country, 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.520 has pointed out this law if the Coalition becomes government 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.040 may well never come into being, and if it does, 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.040 we'll get tied up with gas companies in the High 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.680 Court because it's probably unconstitutional, she says in the City 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.000 Morning Herald. In the age today, it looks and smells 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:53.040 and sounds like a tax because it is Section fifty one. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:56.560 This is the age now of Australia's constitution, they say 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:01.600 forbids commonwealth taxes that discriminate between states or parts of states. 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.800 The inherent problem with the Coalition's proposal, to me, said, 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:08.639 was that it applied solely to the Eastern Australian gas 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:11.560 market and would not be imposed on the liquid natural 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.360 gas industry in Western Australia, where the state government already 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.240 has a fifteen percent gas reservation rule in place. She 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:21.000 said quote. If it's a tax, then it's a tax 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:24.800 that doesn't apply across the whole of Australia, which would 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.520 make it unconstitutional and if they tried to do it 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:29.840 would no doubt end up in the court and quite 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:34.800 possibly be thrown out. I mean, in almost just rieks 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:37.919 of policy on the run, I love the objective. I 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:41.560 totally agree that we should be keeping our gas in 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.320 this country for ourselves, and Western Australia is smart enough 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.480 to do that and they have done for some time. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.919 They guarantee that they have local supply of gas in 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.840 their state because of course the state can levy its 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.120 own taxes and doesn't have to worry about the rest 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:59.760 of the country. But as it stands, the Constitution of Australia, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.800 the Federal Constitution, says that you can't have different taxes 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:07.280 applied by the federal government in different states. It would 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.399 seem like a pretty open and hutcase to me. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.040 Peter Dutton starting to make Anthony Albanezy look like a 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:14.919 man who's across the detail. This is just sloppy from 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.359 the Coalition to have such an important policy, and the 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.920 idea is right, but the fact that they hadn't figured out. 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:23.320 Hang on a second, This is not constitutional. Is just 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:26.119 sloppy and a little bit symptomatic of what we've seen 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.679 over the last number of weeks. We've talked about the 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.840 debate ad nauseum. They should have anticipated the Trump question, 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:35.200 they should have anticipated the climate change question, and surely 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.480 when they woke up this morning they should have anticipated 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.280 the what is a woman question? On top of that, 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:43.120 they rolled out Harry Dutton, who did pretty well. 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:44.840 But why rolled him out so late? 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.800 If you're trying to soften Dutton's image, get the family 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:51.840 out there at the start. The indexation idea of regarding 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.440 the tax system. Put that out as a big vision 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.639 at the beginning of the campaign, because one of the 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.000 criticisms has been that Dutton is just more of late 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:03.800 there's no big thinking. Well, the indexation of tax was 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:04.840 a great idea. 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:05.920 Put it out at the front. 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.040 He can't do it immediately, but that enables him to 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.920 attack the Labor Party for having gotten the budget into 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.800 such a bad position. All of those things could have 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:16.879 been done, but this is just another example where they 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:20.360 feel a little underprepared for an election we all knew 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:21.240 was coming and. 0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:27.320 This would have been so easy to sell in Australia. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:31.120 We export eighty percent of our gas. That's a hell 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:32.400 of a lot of gas. 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:34.480 And our gas. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:38.680 Companies have been taking the mick for a very long time. 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:45.560 According to the Australian Institute, they literally made zero royalties 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:50.199