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Speaker 1: This podcast is recorded on gadigal Land Always was, always

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Speaker 1: will be Aboriginal Land. Hey Chicks, I'm out and I'm

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Speaker 1: Out and this is two Broat Chicks, the show that

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Speaker 1: shares life lessons and tips to help make you.

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Speaker 2: Rich in life. And today we are joined by doctor

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Speaker 2: Michelle Wong, who you may know as lab muf and

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Speaker 2: Beauty Science on Instagram. Michelle has a PhD in chemistry

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Speaker 2: and is a science communicator who is on a mission

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Speaker 2: to help consumers figure out which beauty products are and

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Speaker 2: are not worth spending your money on using science.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: We are so excited for today's chat.

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Speaker 3: We have prepped a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of juicy questions because this is definitely an area of

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Speaker 2: interest for all and I, but also for the chicks

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Speaker 2: as well. So very excited to have you on. But

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Speaker 2: before we get started, we like to start with a

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Speaker 2: life lesson of the week, So, as our guests, would

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Speaker 2: you like to kick us off?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 3: I think my life lesson of the week really it's

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Speaker 3: like a life lesson of the last fifteen years that

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Speaker 3: I keep forgetting. It's that if I feel like the

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Speaker 3: world is ending and my life is going to share

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Speaker 3: I'm probably just tired, hungry, or I haven't had enough,

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Speaker 3: like I've just been sleep deprived. So yeah, earlier this

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Speaker 3: week I was like, oh my god, my life is ending,

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Speaker 3: my body is crumbling, everything is going to share, Like

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Speaker 3: I should just you know, run off and don't know

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Speaker 3: the woods to a Vegas wedding with some random person.

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Speaker 3: But then yeah, no, my husband. My husband was like, babe,

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Speaker 3: you had two hours sleep last night. Just please go

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Speaker 3: to sleep, take a shower, you'll feel better. And I did, annoyingly.

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Speaker 3: I hate it when he's right, I know.

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Speaker 1: Like a snack.

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Speaker 2: We're all little babies inside. Seriously to have a nap,

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Speaker 2: have a sleep, and maybe go for an ocean swim.

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Speaker 3: Oh, touch grass.

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Speaker 1: Yes, get in the sun.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Agay. Yeah, what's your life lesson?

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Speaker 1: My life lesson of the week is don't sleep on

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Speaker 1: the drug store haircare. So I definitely think we've been

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Speaker 1: seeing an uprising of the drugstore haircare. We've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of people talking about panteine, which I don't know

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Speaker 1: what your thoughts are on that, because there's been so

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Speaker 1: much we'll ask you later. There's been so much about

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Speaker 1: how you know, drugstore haircare has had this idea around

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Speaker 1: it that it's not as good as a salon haircare

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Speaker 1: and bing mangbong. But I got this shampoo conditioner from

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Speaker 1: the Chemist Warehouse event a couple of weeks ago, and

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Speaker 1: it genuinely feels like I've been to the salon. Like

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Speaker 1: you know that really clean feeling you have once you've

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Speaker 1: gone to a salon to have like a wash and

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Speaker 1: a blow dry and haircut. That is exactly how my

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Speaker 1: hair feels after I use this product. It's the Laureal

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Speaker 1: Absolute Repair range, and it is it is a little

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Speaker 1: bit more expensive, but it's available from Chemist Warehouse who

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Speaker 1: always have sales, and it truly I can feel the

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Speaker 1: my hair like feels lighter and cleaner and shinier. I'm

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Speaker 3: Sorry did you say how much it was?

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Speaker 1: So it's thirty five ninety nine for the shampoo, which

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Speaker 3: And I know everyone.

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Speaker 1: Says that, but it truly does. And I have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got thick hair, and like you said, chemist

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Speaker 2: Warehouse does always do sales, so you can probably get

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Speaker 1: A highly recommend So, yeah, what's your life lesson?

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: My life lesson of the week is that the AirPod

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Speaker 2: pro threes come with an in built language translator.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen this?

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Speaker 3: It is actually incredible.

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Speaker 2: So the new AirPod pro threes have just come out,

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Speaker 2: It's actually incredible. I wish we had this when we

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's also going to make potentially learning

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so so excited. Okay, all right, should we get

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Speaker 3: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Michelle, So what does your role as a science

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Speaker 1: communicator and chemist involve and how did you get into

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Speaker 1: this area for the chicks who aren't aware with your

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Speaker 1: incredible work? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Well how did I get into it? I

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Speaker 3: What do I buy? And I was also studying signs

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Speaker 3: my gosh, she was really into this. She made me

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Speaker 3: So yeah, December twenty eleven, I think was when I

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Speaker 1: And so how long were your studies Because you have

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Speaker 3: Just went straight through, so three years undergrad science. I

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Speaker 2: I also knowing how to raid, like terms and conditions

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Speaker 3: remind you that you are done, so you don't know things, bitch. Yeah, yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: Just just just stentient being having exactly.

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Speaker 2: That's so cool though, because you can really see how

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Speaker 2: your passion in that that started even in your late

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Speaker 2: because so much of your content is about educating against misinformation,

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Speaker 2: What's the top three skincare myths that you want to

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest one is that beauty products in

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Speaker 3: like so useless fear mongering exactly. Yeah, And it's really

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Speaker 1: That's a good tip.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many steps.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to know, because I think one

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Speaker 3: back a little bit when you wash your face in

438
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 3: the shower, or you just like catch the water and

439
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 3: splash it.

440
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay. But we also wanted to talk about

441
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 1: one of the biggest skincare stories of the year, slash

442
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:04,679
Speaker 1: Century slash ever, and it's following the ultraviolet and Naked

443
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 1: Sundays SBF controversy earlier this year, which has resulted in

444
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people having concerns around sunscreen and the

445
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: brands that they can trust, which is exactly kind of

446
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 1: the opposite of what you would want to be seeing

447
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 1: surrounding SBF and how important it is. So what should

448
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: we be looking out for when shopping for an SBF

449
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 1: that works?

450
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 3: I think the most important thing to take away from

451
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 3: that whole investigation, by choice is ninety percent of the

452
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 3: sunscreens were over SPF. I think it was twenty four,

453
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,879
Speaker 3: So ninety five percent of the sunscreens nineteen out of

454
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 3: twenty were over SPF twenty four. That is very good

455
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 3: if you apply enough. So there was a big clinical

456
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: trial in Queensland where they were using an SPF sixteen sunscreen.

457
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 3: People were wearing it every day, not just to the beach,

458
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,640
Speaker 3: and they found that it halved the risk of skin

459
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 3: cancer in that short amount of time, which was I

460
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: think five years or four point five years. Also, the

461
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 3: people who were using it every day, not just to

462
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 3: the beach, they had I think it was a twenty

463
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 3: five percent less chance of premature skin aging. They had

464
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 3: no visible signs of increase aging during that trial time. Wow,

465
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 3: which is really really good. It's Queensland like super sick. Yeah,

466
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 3: it had a little drop in melanoma. It wasn't quite

467
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: as big because I mean these people were older. Usually

468
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 3: melanoma it's like when you're younger and you get lots

469
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 3: of intense burns. That's a big factor. So yeah, like

470
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 3: that was SPS sixteen. Nineteen out of twenty were over

471
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 3: SPF sixteen, And it was more about wearing it every

472
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 3: day and also wearing enough, Like if you have half

473
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: the sunscreen applied, you get about half the SPF. So yeah,

474
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: really applying enough. So the guideline enough. Oh sorry, you

475
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 3: were justoun No no, no, that's like a good question

476
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 3: because you hear so much. There's so much that.

477
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like twos two fingers a quarter teaspoon, so yeah,

478
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 1: please tell me so.

479
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 3: The easiest guide from Cancer Council is one tea spoon

480
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 3: for each limb, one teaspoon for the front of your body,

481
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 3: one for the back of your body, and the one

482
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 3: for your face neck is as a whole for just

483
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 3: your face alone, it's about a quarter teaspoon. I don't

484
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 3: like fingers because everyone squeezes different sized fingers. You can

485
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 3: get like half a teaspoon if you have blobby ones.

486
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: If you have really skinny ones, you get like a

487
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 3: twelfth of a tea spoon or something. So yeah, quarter teaspoon.

488
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 3: Just do it once. Like if you have a pump sunscreen,

489
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 3: just like pump it. See how many pumps it is,

490
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 3: then use the same number of pumps or dumb yeah,

491
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 3: or get it as way PhD oh no. I feel

492
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: like this is more just like talking to a lot

493
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: of people plain enough is more important. I guess. The

494
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 3: other thing is just like, if you're in a high

495
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 3: risk situation, go for a more reliable product. So generally

496
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 3: things with water resistance are more reliable. Things that feel

497
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 3: too good to be true. If something is really lightweight,

498
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 3: and it claims it's giving you a lot of protection. Maybe,

499
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: like maybe it is, but also the more lightweight it is,

500
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 3: the harder it is to stay on your skin, and

501
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 3: a layer like you'll sweat it off way more easily.

502
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 3: And also products like powders and sprays like that's not happening.

503
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: So yeah. One of the things about I kept seeing

504
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 3: about the Ultra Violet and Naked Sunday's sunscreens was everyone

505
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 3: was like, this feels so lightweight, Like it doesn't feel

506
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 3: like a mineral sunscreen. And I mean, there is developing

507
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 3: check there is tech that can make it feel a

508
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: lot more lightweight. But if you hear a lot of

509
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 3: stuff like that, like maybe don't risk it in high

510
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 3: risk situations like maybe everyday sunscreen, but not like to

511
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: the beach.

512
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: True, however, switching geys a little bit clean beauty chemical

513
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: free dermatologists approved, clinically proven. Which of these terms actually

514
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 1: hold any weight? Because they're all kind of like these

515
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: buzz keywords that we're hearing so much more and more,

516
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of unsure. And that's the thing is

517
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these are marketing tools. Do any of

518
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: them hold any weight?

519
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so clean beauty in my opinion almost completely bs.

520
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: Like companies are not putting products or they're not putting

521
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: ingredients in products that they know will hurt people's health

522
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 3: because if they have the evidence, like they're going to

523
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 3: get sued into oblivion and it's not worth it. Like

524
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,440
Speaker 3: what benefit is they're to putting a really dangerous ingredient

525
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: in they're compared to a safe ingredient. Maybe it's slightly cheaper,

526
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 3: but I mean the risk is there. It's usually the

527
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 3: big companies that get accused of being like toxic. There's

528
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: so many people working in them. Like if you've ever

529
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: organized a surprise party, people blab like they can't keep

530
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 3: it secret for that long. The people in these companies

531
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 3: they aren't that evil. Like everyone has to use beauty products,

532
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 3: that's allthing like shower gels, even like the the dirtiest dude,

533
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 3: they have to use shampoo at some point. So yeah,

534
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 3: it's just not happening. Chemical free. Everything is a chemical

535
00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: nothing's chemical free. Dermatologists approved this one is Oh so

536
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 3: I heard this from someone I know who's a dermatologist

537
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 3: and they were at a conference they went to like

538
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 3: a lecture and a company passed a piece of paper

539
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 3: around and they were like, would you recommend our cleanser

540
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 3: or like, I can't remember.

541
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: What it was.

542
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 3: It was something like dish soap for washing your face,

543
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 3: and I mean maybe one troll was like dish soap

544
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: and then they collected that and that is enough evidence

545
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: for some companies to say dermatologists approved. So yeah, my god,

546
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 3: yeah there are Like I mean, I feel like it

547
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: shouldn't be enough, and I feel like if anyone took

548
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: them to court, that might not be enough. But there's

549
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,880
Speaker 3: just not that much regulation of these terms. So yeah,

550
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: some brands, I'm sure they do actually do proper trials.

551
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 3: They properly run things through a dermatologist. Other brands like

552
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: it counts clinically proven. I like clinical testing, but I

553
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 3: think just having that term doesn't mean much. You want

554
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 3: to see what they tested on, Like is it proven

555
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 3: for wrinkles? Is it proven for wrinkles in people my

556
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: age or is it for like a much older age.

557
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 3: Is it proven for wrinkles around the eyes or somewhere

558
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: where I care, like around my mouth for example. So yeah,

559
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: I think looking at the actual claims, seeing how much

560
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 3: matches with what your skin goals are is really important?

561
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 1: What do you think about when brands share statistics from

562
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: clinical trials or from trials with consumers. So let's say

563
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of testers saw a decrease in the

564
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: appearance of wrinkles after using this.

565
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: Product for two weeks.

566
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: What do you think of studies like that? Is it

567
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of similar to what you were just saying.

568
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: I think it's good when a brand invests in third

569
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 3: party clinical testing, like they actually go out find an

570
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 3: independent lab, they give them the product, they do the testing.

571
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: It's not like in house testing. Okay, that's usually what's

572
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 3: on products, but it is expensive. So yeah, I like

573
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 3: it when brands do that because it shows that they

574
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 3: put in the effort, which I think counts. But yeah,

575
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: like the actual numbers that sort of stuff, there's so

576
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: much and how they design these studies that you can't

577
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 3: really take two products and compare like nine versus ninety

578
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: three percent or something. But yeah, I do like to

579
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: see it though too.

580
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: That's interesting, and I like that these terms, like al said,

581
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: they are marketing tools, and I think that it is

582
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: good to know to take them with a grain of salt.

583
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 2: So with that being said, what are some actual green

584
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: flags and red flags that people should be looking out

585
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 2: for when they're shopping for skincare.

586
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 3: Well, I think having clinical tests that match your skin

587
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 3: goals that is a massive green flag for me. Also,

588
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: if you have a brand that invests in research, Like

589
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: if you go on so Google scholar is like throwback. Yeah,

590
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 3: it's like the little tab. It's really hard to find now,

591
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: but you can actually like search brands and see how

592
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: much research they do. So yeah, it's really the big

593
00:28:52,040 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: big brands like Laoreal Orzjanja, like Nutrogena, all of those brands, Unilever,

594
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: they do lots of research and so their products usually

595
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: do actually have good science behind them, even if they're

596
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 3: marketed and like sometimes they there's marketing kind of sucks

597
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: and you kind of feel like they're trying to sell

598
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: you some dodgy stuff, but then you find out actually

599
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: there is good stuff behind it. Red flags if it's

600
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: too good to be true. I would say it usually is.

601
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: Also if they have like this is kind of hard

602
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: to spot, but an incorrect ingredients list, but sometimes you

603
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: can see like really obvious typos and to me, that

604
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: just says like they did not put enough effort into

605
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: this little part they probably didn't put that much effort

606
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: into the rest of it.

607
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's interesting.

608
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: That's a good flag. Yeah, you have a.

609
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: Really interesting video that blew my mind on SPF sprays

610
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: and mists, and it made us want to ask you

611
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: the question of what skincare products are kind of just

612
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: a bit of a money grab.

613
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: I'd say, yeah, SPF Miss and powders. So that video

614
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: blew my mind. Well, that experiment blew my mind as well,

615
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: because before that I was recommending SPF Miss for reapplication.

616
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 3: It feels like it would be great, right, Like, it

617
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: feels light, it's not messing your makeup, that exactly what

618
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: you say.

619
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I feel like so silly because this whole episode you'd

620
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: been like, if it sounds too good to be true,

621
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: it probably is. And I'm like shity that I felt

622
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: I was recommending it.

623
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was like, oh dog, yeah. So the

624
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: problem is like you're not putting it that close to

625
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: your face because you know, when it's really in your eyes,

626
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: you're not gonna try to spray it like that. And

627
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 3: usually the instructions actually say I think twenty centimeters from

628
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: your face. In that distance, the little spray droplets they

629
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 3: just waffed off and you can also see in the

630
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: videos like everyone has like clouds around their face when

631
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: they're using it. So there were actually some studies by

632
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: doctor Elkie Hacker from Queensland, and the TJA saw those studies.

633
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 3: It was mostly on body products. So she was looking

634
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 3: at spray's at the beach, the tiniest amount of wind,

635
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: like if you can see leaves move, that spray is

636
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,959
Speaker 3: going sideways and yeah, like you just cannot get it

637
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: on your skin that well. So the TGA changed the

638
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 3: instructions that were allowed on sprays in mid twenty twenty four,

639
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: and so face sprays they literally say, do not spray

640
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 3: directly on face, spray echy hands and then apply on face.

641
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: But obviously everyone on TikTok and Instagram they just spraying

642
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: it on their face. They're ignoring their instruction. So I

643
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 3: feel like they should do a bit more with that.

644
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: But for body they say, spray really close to your

645
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: skin and spray it until you have a continuous shiny,

646
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: wet layer. Yeah. So you yeah, like you're not doing

647
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: that with your makeup?

648
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: Wow? What about skin tints, especially SPF skin tints.

649
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 3: Depends on how much you can apply. If you get.

650
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 3: If you can get a lot on your face, which

651
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 3: may be like oh tiny fraction of the products, then

652
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 3: that's going to work as SPF. Otherwise I would just

653
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Speaker 3: ignore the SPF label and yes, use a set presimes

654
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Speaker 3: going on top.

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Speaker 1: I saw Hannah Collingwood English who love her. Yeah, it's

656
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: just amazing. She did a video once and she was like,

657
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: this is how much of the skin tint I would

658
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: need to apply to actually hit what they say. The

659
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: SBA fifty is on like the bottle and I was like,

660
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: that looks terrible. Yeah, good to note.

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00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 3: Good to note.

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00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: Final question in this do anti aging products actually exist?

663
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: I mean, they're not going to make you younger, but

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00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: they can reverse some of the premature skin aging signs,

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00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: usually from sun exposure. So I mean there are studies

666
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 3: where sunscreen was an anti aging product. There was a

667
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 3: study it was from a sunscreen brand. But it makes

668
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: sense as well. When people put on sunscreen, some of

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00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: their signs of aging actually reversed because your body can

670
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: repair itself to some extent, so if you're not constantly

671
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: reassaulting it with UV, then it's going to help. And

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Speaker 3: I mean for people with more pigment prone skin, like me,

673
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 3: the way our skin ages isn't through wrinkles but through

674
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: pigment changes, like we get patches of pigment and that

675
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 3: like sunscreen works so well for reversing that. So yeah,

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00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: anti aging, I would say, Oh, okay, there we go, pluspassion, noise,

677
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: plus chemicals folios, but sunscreen.

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Speaker 1: Good to know they do exist, good to know it's

679
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: not just Turby still.

680
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: But we do want to wrap with some fun little games,

681
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: and we want to play a game of Smash or

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00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: Pass Beauty Trend Edition, So we're going to start with

683
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Speaker 2: led masks Smash or Pass.

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00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: I like them, So smash at home once. Yeah, Like,

685
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: I've tried a few, and I did one where I

686
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: was actually taking photos to get it before and after,

687
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 3: and I felt like it wasn't doing much and I

688
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 3: didn't think it would show up and you can actually

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00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 3: see the redness. Did Ashley decrease over the thirty ish days?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 1: Cool salmon sperm injections.

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Speaker 3: I had some done recently, Ashley. Yeah, I oh they

694
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: hurt so much? Really, they sting so bad? Yeah? So

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00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: did you see different smash up pars? Hard to say,

696
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: but I I think I think it would work it's

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00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: expensive and it's so painful though. You have to smash

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00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: a pass. Ah, smash Okay, skin needling, smash your pass,

699
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: pass unless it's done by a proper person in a clinic,

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00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: not at home.

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00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: T Yes, absolutely agree. Baby botox I would pass because

702
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: I feel like, save it up for the big, for

703
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: the big botox. Yeah.

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00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: Hydrofacials for me pass. I know some people have really

706
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 3: good results with them, but it's so hit and miss

707
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 3: compared to other things that that are in the same

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00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 3: price range.

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00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: Is there a skin treatment that wasn't on this list

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00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: that you would have smashed times ten?

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00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 3: Laser? Yeah, just because pigment it's really hard to deal with.

712
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: You have to like attack it from all angles and

713
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: skin care only does so much. Laser is really, I think,

714
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: probably the best thing for it. Oh, it's hard to say,

715
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: depends on the person, but yeah, something's neat to be

716
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: hit with. Okay, and do you have the reverse?

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00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: Is there anything that wasn't on the list that you

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00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: think is an absolute pass? Oh?

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00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 3: There's so many. Girl, Like most skincare ingredients that get

720
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: hyped up. Oh Bercuccio, everyone's saying, like retinal alternative, it's

721
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 3: not like it's it's good, but like that's that's pure marketing. Okay,

722
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: like it's it's fine. Okay. Supplements most skin supplements, yeah,

723
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: past yea good to know.

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00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: I actually have a skincare ingredient, smash your pass for you,

725
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: So we'll do that.

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00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 3: Are you ready? Okay?

727
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: Okay, So smash your pass or like you can rate

728
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: it out of ten whatever you like.

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00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 3: So a retinal smash for sure. Vitamin C smash depends

730
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 3: on the formula, but generally smash. If it's good formula,

731
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: it can break down really easily, so you want it

732
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: to be stable and so it's a bit spicy for

733
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: some people. There are derivatives, but they're not as proven.

734
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: I feel like some of them are pretty good, though.

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00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite vitamin C?

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00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 3: Oh Well, friend made just in general, My friend made

737
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 3: a really good one. He's called Stephen. It's called Poems

738
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: from the Lab. I don't know if he ships to

739
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: Australia though. He's been shipping me tubes though, so.

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00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: Is there an Australian one or one available in Australia.

741
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: I mean, the Skinceuticals one is really good, but they're

742
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: patient e spite, so there's probably gonna be tons of

743
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: dupes coming out. Yeah yeah, Okay in his free one

744
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 3: has really good reviews too. I just started using it

745
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 3: last night because I saw the good reviews.

746
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: So okay, salasilic acid.

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00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: Smash my first skincare active ingredient. Yeah, Paula's choice two

748
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: percent BHA liquid back in two thousand and eight, Niacina

749
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,879
Speaker 3: mind smash. There's so much variation with products. I love

750
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 3: the Allay super serum, but yeah, it's some people. Some

751
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 3: people react to it, but otherwise yeah, really nice.

752
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 3: Hyaluronic acid depends on the product. Generally smash, Glycolic acid

754
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: generally smash. Yeah, Actually glycolics easy, yeah, smash.

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00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: Oh is there any glycolic Oh? Is there any hyaluronic

756
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: acid that you like?

757
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I've done sponsor post for them, but that's because

758
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: I saw their research. The Lorreal stuff is really good. Yeah,

759
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: hyaluronic it's such a mix sometimes that you get ones

760
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: like the really cheap ones. They tend to only sit

761
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: on the very outside of your skin, and it feels

762
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: a bit like a film. Okay. Some people say it

763
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: dries out their skin, which I think is is. I

764
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 3: feel like it's usually just the product, like shrinking a

765
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 3: little bit on their skin type, feeling good to know. Seramides, Oh,

766
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: they're all right, ambivalent? Yeah, I think it might because

767
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 3: I've got oily skin though, so I just don't see

768
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: the benefits as much. Okay. Peptides are so tricky, really annoying,

769
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, if I don't have time to look deep

770
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 3: into it, pass. Oh okay. Lactic acid smash, love lactic acid,

771
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: love it more than glycolic.

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00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: Which which is your favorite? Lacto lactic acid? Is it

773
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: the Sunday?

774
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: It's so good?

775
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: And then squalene or squalene.

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00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 3: It's all right, it's it's as an oily skin person,

777
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 3: it's a relative smash. But compared to everything else, that's

778
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 3: not an oil? Pass? What about what about face oils?

779
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: I only use them in like the dead of winter.

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00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, humactans all the way for me oily skin.

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00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: That's so good. So out of those so retinal vitamin C,

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00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: salicilic acid, nice cinemaid, hyaluronic acid, glycolic acid, seramides, peptides,

783
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: lactic acid, squalene or squalene.

784
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 3: Your favorites are top three? Rational salicilic acid? Oh oh no, no,

785
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: did I waste one. I'm gonna jat oh. It's between

786
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 3: vitamin ceed, nice cinamide, and lactic acid. We'll give it

787
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: to la one.

788
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: It's fine. Well, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: That has been such an educational hour for us.

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Speaker 3: Man we went to school. Bye, No, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I wish school was like this For any of the

792
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: chicks who aren't already following you, where can they find you.

793
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: And learn more? I'm lab muffin dot com and lab

794
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: muff and beauty science on everything, YouTube, Instagram, chiktok, and

795
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 3: I have a book called The Science of Beauty Amazing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: We'll put links to everything in the show notes so

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Speaker 2: you chicks can find it. But in the meantime, thanks

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Speaker 2: for having us in the ear holes. We love to

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Speaker 2: be here and we'll see you next time. Jiggy's bye

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Speaker 2: gee bye