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Speaker 1: As you know, I was in so Juna over the

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Speaker 1: summer period as people come down from apy lands, the west,

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Speaker 1: the far north. And I suppose when it's forty five

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Speaker 1: degrees for three months straight, why wouldn't you want to

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Speaker 1: the beach. But it's caused all sorts of issues in

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Speaker 1: the Sjuna community. One of the people I caught up

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Speaker 1: he told me, the furniture business. And I spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time in and around Sajuna and around the place.

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Speaker 1: So what do you make of what's been going on here?

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Speaker 2: There's probably a multiple of things.

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Speaker 3: Obviously during the summer months the coast is an attraction,

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Speaker 3: but also the alcohol and the gambling is a major

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Speaker 3: problem which comes with the Aboriginals when they come down

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Speaker 3: from the pitlands or Yallada or wherever and come down

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Speaker 3: and then we end up with a mess on the foreshore,

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Speaker 3: violence and the town ends up a mess.

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Speaker 1: Describe that to me, the violence. What have you seen?

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Speaker 1: What have you heard? What a local is saying, Oh, I've.

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Speaker 3: Seen firsthand myself bashing each other. Normally it's between themselves.

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Speaker 3: It's not involving other people. It's just between themselves. And

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Speaker 3: it's quite graphic to see them. You know, they'll use sticks,

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Speaker 3: bitchmen and it's male against female or female against male.

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Speaker 2: There's no discrepancies.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty violent and it's unfortunately a lot of times

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Speaker 3: during those summer months is when the tourist are here

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Speaker 3: and they get confronted with it as well, which isn't

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Speaker 3: a good look for the town.

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Speaker 1: I've chatted with a few visitors today who say, no problem,

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Speaker 1: have not seen a thing, and I haven't either. I've

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Speaker 1: got to tell you, so far in twenty four hours

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 2: It is a beautiful place. That's why we want to

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Speaker 3: And as you know, and I know the assistant commissioners

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Speaker 3: here the other month when Karen Little comes here, the

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Speaker 3: foreshore seems to be.

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Speaker 2: Cleaned up immaculately.

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Speaker 3: There's a magic brush that goes through pretty we can't

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Speaker 3: pull that magic brush out twenty four to seven. That's

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Speaker 3: one of the issues we see that now we're not blind.

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Speaker 1: How infuriating is that the whole area is a drive

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Speaker 1: yet you've got a major drinking problem on the foreshore.

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Speaker 2: It's very infuriating.

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Speaker 3: That's one of the issues in the last especially in

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Speaker 3: the last probably twelve months, maybe a bit longer, the

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Speaker 3: policing of it, it's almost been zero. There seems to

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Speaker 3: call it straws. How many straws they've got to get

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Speaker 3: a month? And that seems to be the emphasis from

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Speaker 3: the police during the summer months. I've driven down the

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Speaker 3: I drove down past caravan Park, turned right around. There's

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Speaker 3: This is a half past eight in the morning, so

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Speaker 2: This is earlier in the morning.

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Speaker 3: There were one hundred meters away from it. But they

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Speaker 3: foreshore and that's where to me they should be concentrating,

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Speaker 1: The foreshots you're advertising, isn't it. I mean, that's a

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Speaker 3: If you've driven from porta gust that here. You haven't

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Speaker 3: And I'm not professing that they should book everyone. It's

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Speaker 3: tip out the stuff that's not opened. So that is

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Speaker 3: the deterrent not fining because they won't pay their fines anyway.

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Speaker 2: Just tip it out. You do it enough, they'll soon

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Speaker 1: Have things become worse since the car disappeared.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely. We noticed.

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Speaker 3: In our business we use a payment thing called centerpe

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Speaker 3: probably truckload of furniture up to Yallada for the housing

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Speaker 2: We've done one every couple of months, one every three months.

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Speaker 3: So that's income that was quarantine which they couldn't spend.

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Speaker 2: Now they're spending.

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Speaker 3: They're not spending it on furniture, they're spending it on Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Can counsel Can police do more? I mean you talk

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Speaker 1: about tipping out the alcohol, but can either of those

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Speaker 2: I really think it's up to the polace like that.

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Speaker 3: We're frustrated because previously we've had a maybe a mayor

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Speaker 3: And now we're getting people to listen, but they don't

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Speaker 3: like what we're saying. But obviously thirty letters come with

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Speaker 3: a similar theme. Well there must be something to it.

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Speaker 1: I think, well, on that people are saying, well, that

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Speaker 1: that comes out of a standard pro former. I've read

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Speaker 1: do you make of that? People saying, well, this is

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I think I didn't know who else writing them, and

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Speaker 3: the same thing, you know, drunk people coming into your shop.

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Speaker 3: And I've had four windows broken in the last twelve months.

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Speaker 3: There are one thousand dollars a piece, one thousand dollars excess,

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Speaker 3: To understand too, this isn't the same people. This is

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Speaker 3: then you've got the older cohort who are the alcoholics

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Speaker 2: There's two issues really.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you've heard about cow techs where the people just

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Speaker 2: The police are doing nothing. You can't stand back and

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Speaker 3: What are these kids going to end up like if

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Speaker 2: Three years time?

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Speaker 1: Is it a case of not enough police? Is it

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Speaker 1: that when you say doing nothing, because the police will

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Speaker 3: Well, one of the issues I said before is in

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Speaker 3: we're on a building site down the four he had

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Speaker 3: a full vision of up on scaffolding. It's the focus

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Speaker 2: The community wants.

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Speaker 3: And at the community here we're on the edge of

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Speaker 2: Is Cooper Peaty and we don't want to be like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you drive around the town, there's no

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do it's a shocking look.

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Speaker 3: It's a real I think it's a terrible look, and

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Speaker 2: And that's where we need the police to do their

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Speaker 1: Could council be doing more?

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Speaker 3: I think the leadership from the council, the presentation to

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Speaker 3: the police lot putting pressure on the police. The council

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Speaker 3: they should represent the community.

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Speaker 2: And there seems to be very nothing to see here.

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Speaker 3: Look away now to attitude where it's not and especially

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Speaker 1: It when you talk about your windows being smashed. What

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Speaker 2: Oh, look the toilets.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've got really modern public facilities down here.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the second block they've put there. In

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Speaker 3: the last probably four years. They've been destroyed. The playground

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Speaker 3: on the foreshore that had to have a new fence

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Speaker 2: That was sixty thousand.

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Speaker 3: So I've been told for the new fence plus the

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Speaker 3: two new blocks of toilets, one towards Silent Club and

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Speaker 3: one halfway along. They've both been vandalyzed as ratepayers, we're

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Speaker 3: aiming for that. I don't know where the council do,

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Speaker 3: but I'd like to know how much they're spending on

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Speaker 3: they spend a lot of time, and it's good that

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Speaker 3: they do, but that's time they can't spend doing other

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Speaker 1: A number of business people I've spoken in town have

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Speaker 3: I think as a community, you've got to draw a

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Speaker 2: We've got a beautiful outlook in the town. We've got

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Speaker 2: great people that live here.

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Speaker 3: We've got a good community, own the clubs and people volunteer.

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Speaker 3: There's a bit that happens around here, and I love

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Speaker 3: And I can just see in the last two years

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Speaker 3: twelve really since the card went. And then compounding of

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Speaker 3: that I think was a lack of enforcement with the

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Speaker 2: And the grog running too.

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Speaker 3: That's a frustrating thing for me because they keep putting restrictions.

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Speaker 2: On the hotel.

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Speaker 3: So you know, if you want to go down the

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Speaker 3: on camping or something like that, you can't do.

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Speaker 2: That in the morning. If the same restrictions.

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Speaker 3: We have here were in Adelaide, on bottle shops there

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Speaker 3: would be a massive outcry.

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Speaker 2: Because they tried doing it at Port Augusta.

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Speaker 3: Only lasted two weeks and the people there complained that

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Speaker 3: much that they stopped the restrictions. People don't understand the

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Speaker 3: owner's restrictions we have when you walk along the force.

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Speaker 3: You if you're picking up look, I have you pick.

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Speaker 2: Up a five liter cask of Riverland white wine.

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Speaker 3: The pub doesn't sell five liter carts the cover pub,

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Speaker 3: So that's coming in from somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: Grog runners.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's ten liter plastic kegs of port that's

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Speaker 3: the target. And I don't know whether the police are

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Speaker 3: actually getting any numbers with that. I severely doubt because

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Speaker 3: it doesn't seem to be their focus.

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Speaker 1: Someone who wouldn't go on tape told me when the

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Speaker 1: card came in, a lot of people known to be

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Speaker 1: grog runners drug dealers in the town just moved out.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened, Is that right?

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Speaker 1: Can you confirm that?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah, I'd like to say more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but that's the fact that people in the

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Speaker 2: Yes, you blind Freddy could tell you that.

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Speaker 3: And then as things swung around, if people has the

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Speaker 3: cash back, because seriously, nowadays, if you're on a welfare

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Speaker 3: very surprised if there's twenty percent left for cash purchases. Nowadays,

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Speaker 3: nearly it's all going to go on utilities, food and basics.

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Speaker 2: I would be very surprised.

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Speaker 3: If you're getting four hundred and eighty or four hundred

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Speaker 2: I'd be very surprised.

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Speaker 1: That's way and a businessman in Sojourna outlining the issues

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Speaker 1: Joy as well. Joy lives just out of Sojourna, but

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Speaker 1: is very well aware of what is going in. She's

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Speaker 1: a lady in a ratees and here's what she had

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Speaker 4: Well, it's pretty sad for the people that live here,

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Speaker 4: Isn't that I don't experience it, But they do, don't

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Speaker 4: They they see it.

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Speaker 1: You live a bit out of town.

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Speaker 5: I live about five k's out they road.

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Speaker 1: Okay, would you live in town?

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Speaker 4: Well, are we going to have to We're going to

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Speaker 4: have to come here and live because we're getting too old.

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Speaker 4: We've got twenty eight acres and it's getting too much,

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Speaker 4: So we are thinking about it now.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't worry it.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't worry me, isn't that said? You know, it

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Speaker 4: But I'm not haven't experienced there of this rotten stuff

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Speaker 1: I've heard terrible stories about people breaking into into houses,

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Speaker 1: turning lights off at the PowerPoint, at the power box

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Speaker 1: so they can get in not seen. I mean, that's

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that is true. I've heard that too, and that

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Speaker 5: is true. But if we came in here.

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Speaker 4: We live in the independent living over the road there,

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Speaker 4: and we will be protected a little bit.

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Speaker 5: I hope, I hope. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Still, it's pretty scary, isn't when you hear about the

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Speaker 1: know all about and that's it's not good.

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Speaker 4: I was born and bred here, so it's always been

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Speaker 4: a wonderful town for me. My husband came here in

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Speaker 4: we came back here. We traveled around South Australia farming

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Speaker 4: where all the fishing spots were. But yes, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: like this year's ago. I know a lot of the

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Speaker 4: Aboriginal people, but this is a different, different lot of

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Speaker 4: people who have come down from out the bush.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you've heard some terrible stories. Well what have you heard?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I've heard women bashing each other, grabbing their head

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Speaker 4: which is pretty tragic, isn't it. And the alcohol abuse

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Speaker 4: it didn't happen so much.

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Speaker 5: It was a lot better.

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Speaker 1: Then should it come back?

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Speaker 5: Of course it should, of course it should.

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Speaker 1: Yes, do you reckon everyone in Sojuna thinks that or

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Speaker 1: a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: I don't think a lot of people do. I don't think. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: But it was a lot peace more peaceful

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Speaker 4: Then, joy, thank you, that's a pleasure.