1 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,879 Speaker 1: Hi everybody, and welcome to this week's My Joe Monday. 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: So last week I did my first solo My Jo 3 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: Monday as Paul was away, and I'm doing it again 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: this week. In fact, I'm going to be doing the 5 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: next few because Paul is knee deep in his PhD 6 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: at the moment, so I will take over and free 7 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: him up a bit. And I do apologize that I 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: am sounding slightly nasally. I'm at the tail end of 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: a pretty bad lurgie that's been going around our family, 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: in fact going around our village, so that's why I'm 11 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: sounding like this. But today we're going to dive into 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: the power of awe and how it can make a 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: difference to your everyday life. So or is something I 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: intentionally tap into quite regularly, and it was introduced to 15 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: me during my Japanese psychology certification. I mean, I knew 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: what all was and I had felt it, but I 17 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: hadn't actually thought about it over and above seeing some 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: amazing site or maybe watching a David at Edinburgh documentary. 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: And I attended the residential component of the course in 20 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: the beautiful state of Vermont in the US, and Vermont 21 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: is where many people travel to see the changing of 22 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: the leaves and at the start of fall, you know, 23 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: it's hiking country skiing in winter. It's a beautiful place. 24 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: And I was at the Toto Institute, which is just 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: outside of Burlington, right next to a beautiful national park. 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: And part of the program we did was we did 27 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: this extensive experiential work on controlling our attention, and we 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: learned to shift our focus from inward self centered mind 29 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: chatter to outward so more nature centered focus, so going 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: from our internal world to the external world. Nature is 31 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: a major aspect of Marita therapy, which comes from Japanese psychology, 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: and the work involved spending time observing nature in both 33 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: its grand and its minute forms, and noticing the impact 34 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: that this attentional control had on our minds and our bodies. 35 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: And for me, the experience was quite powerful and I've 36 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: really embraced it ever since, and I practice it as 37 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: much as I can, especially if my attention is inward 38 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: on my thoughts and my emotions that are causing me 39 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: stress or worry. And you know, this is my default 40 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: is to go inward because I'm human, and like most humans, 41 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: this is what we do. We're very focused on our 42 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: inward world. So here's a question for you. When was 43 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: the last time you felt a sense of awe? So 44 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: maybe it was on holidays, like maybe you've been to 45 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon, which is on my bucket list. I 46 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: think it would be amazing to go there. Or maybe 47 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: it's gazing up at the night sky filled with stars. 48 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: Or perhaps it was something as simple as watching and 49 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: a spider spinning its web. So even just for me, 50 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: even just observing a spider web can bring me a 51 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: feeling of awe. You know, I remember when there was 52 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: this spider and it was building this web, and it 53 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: looked like it was suspended in the air, and we 54 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: stopped and observed it, and I think the word wow 55 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: just came out of our mouths. And that word really 56 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: reflects that feeling of awe because it is quite a 57 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: profound emotion. It's one that can make us feel feel small, 58 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: but in a good way because it connects us with 59 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: something that's greater than ourselves. And when we connect with 60 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: something greater than ourselves, it can increase our gratitude and 61 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: it can even even kind of help us to help others. 62 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: But I'll get into what exactly it is and why 63 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: it's so powerful. So I did a bit of digging 64 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: and I found research papers on all, which really fascinated 65 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: me because I just didn't it wasn't something that I 66 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: considered people would actually research, But there's quite a lot 67 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: of research behind it, and what it's shown is that 68 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: ALL is more than just this fleeting feeling. It's this 69 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: complex emotion that can have a significant impact on our 70 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: mentor and our physical well being. And what they've found 71 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: is that ALL can release feel good hormones and that's 72 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: probably not a surprise. You know, hormones like joepamine and oxytocin, 73 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: which most of you will know, play this crucial role 74 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: in reducing our stress and anxiety, and it conduced this feeling, 75 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: induced this feeling of happiness, and we need these hormones 76 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: for our overall sense of wellbeing. And one fascinating aspect 77 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: of AW is that doesn't always require this grand life 78 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: changing event, like you don't have to go on an 79 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: extravagant holiday and watch sunsets or visit famous landmarks to 80 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: experience or because all is all around us, it's just 81 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: waiting to be noticed and discovered in everyday moments of 82 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: our life. And if you're into nature, photography. I'm pretty 83 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: confident that you would probably be tapping into awe through 84 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: that process of the photography. The other day, there were 85 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: so many photos of the Southern Lights, which I know 86 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: is in an everyday thing, but it was so awe 87 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: inspiring and I missed it. So I had a lot 88 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: of awe jealousy because there would have been just so 89 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: many people with this amazing feeling watching the incredible lights 90 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: in the sky. But you don't have to wait for 91 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: the next round of the Southern Lights. Next time you 92 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: go for a walk, stop to notice what's around you, 93 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: even the all things that you would normally just walk 94 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: straight past. So maybe it's the intricate details of a leaf. 95 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: You look at the veins, the textures, the colors, be 96 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: curious about what's there, and notice the sense of wonder 97 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: and amazement that it can bring. You know, I get 98 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: a sense of awe gazing out at the ocean because 99 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: underneath the surface there's so much life, and it's so 100 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 1: vast and powerful, and it reminds me that long after 101 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm gone, the sea will still be there. And it's 102 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: these moments of connection with nature that can provide us 103 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: with this powerful sense of awe, and it can ground 104 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: us in the present moment and remind us that there 105 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: is so much more to this life and to this 106 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: world that's beyond what's going on in our heads in 107 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: this moment. And this is important because, especially in today's world, 108 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: we live in a world filled with distractions. Days often 109 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: consume by devices and screens, notifications and this constant rush 110 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: and stress. And even when we do get a break, 111 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: we can easily justify that we're relaxing when we're scrolling 112 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: on social media or answering texts or just taking one 113 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: last look at emails, and these are all inputs and 114 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: they're overloading our poor brains, and our brains are struggling 115 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: to cope with it all. And something I tend to 116 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: do when I go for a run or I go 117 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: for a walk is I listen to a podcast or music. 118 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: And that's fine. But something that I try and do, 119 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: and I invite you to consider, is balancing this out. 120 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I have a client who was telling me that he 121 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: has learnt to practice the pause, and I really loved 122 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: that phrase, and I think it's related to finding awe, 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: because if we can pause, just pause in life, take 124 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: our earbuds out, put our devices away and deliberately turn 125 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: our attention outwards and feeling this sense of or at 126 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: the amazing world around us, and that can even just 127 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: be in our backyard. Then it can bring joy and 128 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: calmness and amazement into our lives. And it's so easy 129 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: to overlook the beauty that surrounds us because we're so 130 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: busy being distracted by other things. But if we can 131 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: practice the pause and take a moment to soak in 132 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: our environment, both the big expansive things and the small things, 133 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: we can tap into. What I know is and what 134 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: science is now saying is this incredible powerful tool for 135 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: calming our nervous system. So maybe you could practice the 136 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: pause today. So put away your devices, even just for 137 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: ten minutes, and go outside and notice something in nature. 138 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: And if you've got kids, especially little kids, they are 139 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: really good at this, So take them with you and 140 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: see what they discover. And maybe it's a spiderweb. Be 141 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: curious about the precision and the effort that has gone 142 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: into each strand and the way it glistens, even the 143 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: fact that the spider knew that that spot is the 144 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: ideal position to find its prey. So spend a few 145 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: moments observing the detail, the texture, the color of what's 146 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: out there and see if you can bring that wow feeling, 147 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: that feeling of awe. Because what awe does for me 148 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: is it reminds me of the beauty and complexity of 149 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: the world, and we often take this for granted. What 150 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: it's done is it has helped me slow down and 151 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: be present and to appreciate life. It brings this sense 152 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: of gratitude and peace and wonder that can help us 153 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: to counterbalance those stresses and worries of our lives. So 154 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: thank you for joining me today. I hope this episode 155 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 1: has inspired you in some way to go out and 156 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 1: seek awe in your life. And if you want to 157 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: learn more about the science of awe, there's a book 158 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: that is about to launch. I think think you can 159 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: get it on pre order. But it's I hope I 160 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: pronounce it right. It's Dakha Keltner's book. It's d A 161 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: c h e R. And then Keltner is k E 162 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: l t n e R. And it's the Are Science, 163 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: the new science of everyday wonder and how it can 164 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: transform your life. And I'm hoping to get him on 165 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: the podcast so Paul can interview him so have a 166 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: great week hopefully filled with aw Please again, if you 167 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: love the podcast, leave a review or consider a subscribing 168 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: as it really helps us grow and gets the message 169 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: out there. And I will catch you next week