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Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christinamiot.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, July eighteen, twenty twenty five. The locations of

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Speaker 1: two possible future Orchus submarine bases have been snapped up

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Speaker 1: by the son of a prominent Shanghai businessman. It comes

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Speaker 1: after Beijing warned the Albanizi government not to rescind Chinese

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Speaker 1: ownership of the Port of Darwin. That exclusive story is

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Speaker 1: live right now at the Australian dot com dot au.

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Speaker 1: The family of missing lennox Head woman Bronwyn Winfield are

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Speaker 1: optimistic the police investigation into her disappearance and presumed murder

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Speaker 1: is making progress. New episodes of The Australian's investigative podcast

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Speaker 1: Bronwyn are out now today. National chief correspondent Hedley Thomas

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Speaker 1: joins us. The Australian's investigative podcast series Bronwyn, about the

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Speaker 1: unsolved disappearance and alleged murder of lennox Head mother Bronwyn Winfield,

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Speaker 1: was only ever intended to be one season of about

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Speaker 1: ten episodes. Bronwyn vanished from her home on Sandstone Crescent

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Speaker 1: in lenox Head on the New South Wales Far North

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Speaker 1: Coast on May sixteenth in nineteen ninety three. That night,

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Speaker 1: the young mum tucked her two little girls into bed

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Speaker 1: and vanished. Police investigations conducted over the last three decades

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Speaker 1: have largely failed to shed any light on Bronwyn's fate,

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Speaker 1: and the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions has

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Speaker 1: declined to prosecute her husband, John Winfield for her murder.

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Speaker 1: He's always maintained Bronwyn left the family home in Lenox

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Speaker 1: Head voluntarily and vehemently denies he played any role in

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Speaker 1: her disappearance. Launched in May of twenty twenty five, the series,

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Speaker 1: investigated by The Australian's National Chief correspondent Headley Thomas, now

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Speaker 1: spans thirty three episodes and three seasons. It's a far

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Speaker 1: cry from what Headley told Bronwin's brother Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: his wife Michelle in the days before the series launched.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're talking about a series of maybe eight,

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Speaker 2: nine or ten episodes, so it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: over quickly. We are definitely bringing the series to a

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Speaker 2: conclusion now, Kristen, because having covered so much ground and

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Speaker 2: spent maybe nine ten episodes reconstructing really important parts of

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Speaker 2: the evidence, and we've interviewed so many dozens of witnesses

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Speaker 2: from back in the day but also new people who

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Speaker 2: have come forward.

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Speaker 3: There isn't much more that we can do. Podcast listeners

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Speaker 3: might recall it. Back in December of last year, Andy Reid,

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Speaker 3: who is Brohman's brother, wrote to the state coroner there

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Speaker 3: Israe Sullivan, and in his letter he set out all

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Speaker 3: of the very compelling reasons why, in Andy's view and

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Speaker 3: in the view of police who have been talking to us,

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Speaker 3: and quite senior lawyers who have been giving us advice,

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Speaker 3: a search beneath an existing property in Hillawong in the

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Speaker 3: Shire south of Sydney is now something that really should

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Speaker 3: be seriously considered. That's one of the very significant new

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Speaker 3: pieces of circumstantial evidence pointing to something that could possibly

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Speaker 3: resolve this long cold case.

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Speaker 1: Several bombshell revelations have been made over the course of

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Speaker 1: Hedley's investigation into Bronwyn Winfield's disappearance. There was the emergence

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Speaker 1: of a secret daughter fathered and then abandoned by John

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Speaker 1: Winfield as a teenager, sharing her story for the first time.

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Speaker 1: Sonia Lee, said she hoped to assist the investigation and

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Speaker 1: show John Winfield's other children, who he really is.

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Speaker 3: What do you believe is a good outcome.

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Speaker 4: For the girls? Them knowing what happened to bronwin include

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Speaker 4: the bad, the ugly, whatever it may be they deserve

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Speaker 4: to know, has got to be the heaviest load for

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Speaker 1: There was also the revelation John Winfield was the sole

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Speaker 1: beneficiary of the estate of a reclusive woman living in

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Speaker 1: Lennox Head after his wife vanished.

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Speaker 2: The solicitor brought up his name and said to me,

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Speaker 2: missus John and his is Bev's partner, which was.

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Speaker 5: A shock, total shock, because.

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Speaker 2: They've never mentioned anything about anybody in her life.

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Speaker 1: And in recent episodes, The Australian's production team recreated five

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Speaker 1: Days of Inquest proceedings, featuring a host of voice actors,

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Speaker 1: many of whom came from the papers newsrooms around Australia.

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Speaker 3: Broman's brother Andy and his wife Michelle, and other loved

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Speaker 3: ones of Broman. They wanted to ensure that a podcast would,

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Speaker 3: where possible, leave no stone unturned. There is an enormous

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Speaker 3: amount of material that you can cover and that does

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Speaker 3: demand a huge amount of work. I was talking to

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Speaker 3: Michael Drury and he was a former top detective in

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Speaker 3: But more infamously, Michael Drury was targeted in a shooting

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Speaker 3: that was ordered by Roger Rogerson, the corrupt cop, and

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Speaker 3: he wanted Michael Drury out of the way. Michael Drury

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Speaker 3: he contacted me because he had been following very closely

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Speaker 3: you have tens of thousands of potential sources and armchair

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Speaker 3: detectives who can make their own inquiries and possibly make

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Speaker 3: And as Mick Drury said, that is one hell of

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Speaker 3: a team that you can draw on. And that's what

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Speaker 3: I find with these podcast investigations. When they go deep

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Speaker 3: and broad and wide, they are amazingly effective, more effective

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Speaker 3: than any other journalism I've been involved in before, and

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Speaker 3: that's why people talk about the power of these productions.

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Speaker 1: And what should listeners expect from these final episodes of

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Speaker 1: the Bronwin podcast series.

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Speaker 3: No spoilers, Chris and I won't go too deeply into

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Speaker 3: the detail, but we are going to look at the

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Speaker 3: Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions and it's consideration

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Speaker 3: of this case and of cases generally, and what oversight,

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Speaker 3: if any, there is in situations where there may have

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Speaker 3: been a misunderstanding in that office of the evidence. We're

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Speaker 3: going to look at one of the cold case reviews

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Speaker 3: that police did in Bromin's case, and listeners will hear

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Speaker 3: from some other witnesses who we believe are important in

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Speaker 3: understanding this case and contextualizing it. And I'm hoping to

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Speaker 3: throughout the investigation. Because I first started talking to Andy Reid,

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Speaker 3: the Teacher's pet It's taken this long to get to

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Speaker 3: this stage, but we're hopeful that something could happen at

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Speaker 3: the end of the series. We'll end up with more

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Speaker 3: talking there about four hundred and fifty thousand words. That

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we can regroup at some stage if some announcement's made,

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Speaker 3: some actions taken, but that's not a matter for us.

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Speaker 3: It's really a matter for police.

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Speaker 1: Coming up. While bron and Winfield's loved ones are feeling

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Speaker 1: optimistic after more than three decades, more than thirty years

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Speaker 1: after Ron win Winfield vanished, her brother Andy Reid told

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Speaker 1: Headley Thomas he's feeling quietly optimistic about the progress of

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Speaker 2: You got back to some news from Nigel Warren.

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Speaker 3: I was a little disappointed that I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: From It's got to hope that the judy diligience has

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Speaker 1: Detectives have previously acted on new evidence surfaced in the podcast,

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Speaker 1: like Judy Singh's claim she saw John Winfield driving with

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Speaker 5: This night I was sitting out and I could see

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Speaker 5: I thought, well, if he was taking out belongings, you

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Speaker 1: Hedley Andy has previously expressed his frustration at the slowness

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Speaker 1: of the police investigation into Bronwan's disappearance over the years,

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Speaker 3: I asked Andy and his wife Michelle about that, because

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Speaker 3: that process is designed to make sure that everything is

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Speaker 3: criminal justice system. In fact, shortly before the Bromin series

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Speaker 3: of new evidence. Now there has been new evidence that's

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Speaker 1: Headley Thomas is The Australian's national Chief correspondent and the

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Speaker 1: creator of the Bronwyn Podcast. Subscribers can hear new episodes

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