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Speaker 1: Approche Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the muscle.

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Speaker 1: Comments and in this episode I speak with Michael Chandlin

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Speaker 1: Form my bodyguard to the stars.

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Speaker 3: They work on this sum that you're just security and

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Speaker 3: security are thick, so you're the do as I say.

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Speaker 3: We've got some clients. We send profiles out to them

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Speaker 3: all the time, and they always reject people that are board.

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Speaker 3: She's not celebrity as such, but she's high ranking individual

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Speaker 3: and it's a lot of that stuff kind of happened

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Speaker 3: around celebrities. So if people skin thenkers in the twist

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Speaker 3: with the fame, if this carver travels a fast up

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Speaker 3: jump out of it. Honestly, it was so bad.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll talk about you growing up and all like that,

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Speaker 1: but while growing up, was that a goal of yours

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Speaker 1: to join the military?

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Speaker 3: I think at one point, yeah, it probably was. There

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Speaker 3: were no wars going on. Obviously is probably the first

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Speaker 3: goal for at one point, but nothing major. I was

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Speaker 3: born after you know, Falkland Islands, the Fallland War. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if it was the military. That word was

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Speaker 3: a joint. I wanted to do a job that was multifunctioning.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to. At one point, I wanted to be

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Speaker 3: a paramedic, and I always wanted to travel, even as

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Speaker 3: a kid. I remember watching Home Alone two and looking

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Speaker 3: at New York like it was this wonderland, do you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean? Growing up in North London, the

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Speaker 3: idea of traveling to these places was just like it was.

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Speaker 3: It was a goal. It was always a dream to

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Speaker 3: travel for work, and luckily I still get to do

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Speaker 3: that now. But I don't know if the military per

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Speaker 3: se was a career. I mean, it's military police. Definitely not,

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Speaker 3: by the way, I'm definitely not. When I found out

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Speaker 3: that that was regiment's joined to do the close protection training,

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I don't know, because I didn't

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Speaker 3: want to be a policeman. Nong story short from my

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Speaker 3: great career. One of my oldest sons. At one point

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Speaker 3: No army, possibly, but yeah, all of the aspects that

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Speaker 1: But when you're saying military police and then you've got

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Speaker 1: the normal police, is it totally different?

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Speaker 3: Not really? And there are some different aspects to it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if someone's committed an offense, you will call

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Speaker 3: being a severe You just who would do that, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean. In the military, they really have

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Speaker 3: a choice. The reoffending rate is very very low in

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Speaker 3: the military. Fact, the Glasshouse the military prison, one of

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Speaker 2: What was your first job?

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Speaker 3: My first job when I left I left school when

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Speaker 3: I was fifteen and I was a mechanic. I did

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Speaker 3: for him and it was it was that was a mistake.

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Speaker 3: That was a waste of three years of my life,

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Speaker 3: ways after that, I went into construction. I trippled my

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: All the while though, I was talking about, you know,

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Speaker 3: or you've got to go back a few years, right,

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Speaker 3: imagine saying to people, especially in the construction game in

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: It was people taking the piss at me all the time.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know what the training involves, catching bullets

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Speaker 1: See, when I was living in England and before I

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Speaker 1: But it's right what you say, Like, you're not going

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they did. They did for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Everyone minute maliciously. But it is a funny thing. You're

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just one of those things. It's is

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Speaker 3: But it turned out it worked in my favor actually,

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Speaker 3: I think it was a byproduct of the recession. Actually

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Speaker 1: When you said you were in the military police and

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Speaker 1: the fact that the people around you you didn't want

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Speaker 3: No, I grew up a counselor state. It sounds strange

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Speaker 1: So what what actually Okay, so while you end up

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Speaker 1: Do most of the personal protection bodyguards come from the military,

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Speaker 1: because over here not many come from the military, Like,

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Speaker 2: But I've seen in the UK a lot of them

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like a rite of passage actually in

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Speaker 2: There's not many. There's not many that come from the military.

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Speaker 3: So in the UK, we've got our own training academy

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Speaker 3: training programs, they're all ex military, like eighty to ninety

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Speaker 3: percent minimum ex military or ex police by the way, right,

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Speaker 3: So if they're ex civilian police, then that to some extent,

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Speaker 3: that's actually better than being ex military because they haven't

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Speaker 3: what we're trying to do with our expansion plans. We've

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Speaker 3: There's something that terrifies me about putting the weapon into

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Speaker 3: And what tends to happen is when you're there or

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Speaker 3: One of the first people I worked with on throughout

431
00:20:02,921 --> 00:20:05,640
Speaker 3: the whole day was an actor from a Marria called

432
00:20:05,681 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 3: Matthew and I was with I was with serving for

433
00:20:07,681 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 3: a few days, and me and my colleague ended up

434
00:20:10,441 --> 00:20:13,921
Speaker 3: working with this guy's manager. So every time the manager's

435
00:20:13,921 --> 00:20:17,241
Speaker 3: clients came over, and they were predominantly young male actors,

436
00:20:18,001 --> 00:20:21,481
Speaker 3: we would work with them, and shortly after that we

437
00:20:22,241 --> 00:20:25,241
Speaker 3: the company. I founded signed a contract with Universal Music Group,

438
00:20:25,321 --> 00:20:29,041
Speaker 3: which speaks music label in the world, and they would

439
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,001
Speaker 3: they would just send whoever over. You just never knew

440
00:20:31,001 --> 00:20:33,721
Speaker 3: it was going to be. And obviously with entertainment, it's

441
00:20:33,761 --> 00:20:36,401
Speaker 3: like a couple of days notice if that, or sometimes

442
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,521
Speaker 3: saying they noticed when someone's gone wrong. Yeah, yeah, I

443
00:20:39,521 --> 00:20:41,201
Speaker 3: wish I'm gonna have to look into that.

444
00:20:43,041 --> 00:20:46,121
Speaker 2: I've put you on the spot now, it's right, it's

445
00:20:46,241 --> 00:20:46,681
Speaker 2: probably good.

446
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,840
Speaker 3: Well, it's good good interviews because I just don't know

447
00:20:49,921 --> 00:20:50,281
Speaker 3: the answer.

448
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,360
Speaker 1: Do you know what when you have to pick up

449
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: celebrities and all like that, high profile people, would you

450
00:20:55,001 --> 00:20:57,400
Speaker 1: would your job start from the airport when they land

451
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 1: or when would you start kind of interacting with them?

452
00:21:01,801 --> 00:21:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you know what? It really depends on the manager.

453
00:21:05,281 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 3: So there are two key people involved with a celebrity, right.

454
00:21:08,801 --> 00:21:11,041
Speaker 3: The celebrity of them themselves have no real involvement of

455
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 3: their own security. I mean it's very rare. So their

456
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:15,640
Speaker 3: security is always paid for by the film studio or

457
00:21:15,681 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 3: the record label or wherever it is. Working for the

458
00:21:18,681 --> 00:21:20,961
Speaker 3: two key people that you need to contend with. It's

459
00:21:20,961 --> 00:21:22,721
Speaker 3: not even that, it's not even what the two I

460
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 3: just mentioned. It's the manager who's the actual individual manager

461
00:21:26,481 --> 00:21:31,160
Speaker 3: of that talent, or a PR person, which is usually

462
00:21:31,201 --> 00:21:34,641
Speaker 3: honestly a nightmare because the PR person well I don't

463
00:21:34,721 --> 00:21:36,521
Speaker 3: to say too much, but they're usually quite difficult to

464
00:21:36,521 --> 00:21:38,721
Speaker 3: deal with, to be fair, they kind of take over.

465
00:21:39,041 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 3: They work on the assumpthing that you're just security and

466
00:21:41,681 --> 00:21:45,081
Speaker 3: security are thick, so you're listen to me, do as

467
00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: I say, right, all of that kind of stuff. So

468
00:21:47,801 --> 00:21:49,961
Speaker 3: it would depend yeah, I mean logically speaking, you would

469
00:21:50,001 --> 00:21:53,561
Speaker 3: get them from the airport right your arrivals, straight into

470
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 3: the vehicle, straight to the hotel. The chances were though

471
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 3: the would get to the hotel and sleep and so

472
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,241
Speaker 3: they Again there was this money save and exercise going

473
00:22:00,281 --> 00:22:02,321
Speaker 3: on all the time, where can we save money? Oh,

474
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 3: do we need them to pick them up from the airport?

475
00:22:03,921 --> 00:22:06,360
Speaker 3: And it just depended on the s pretty honestly didn't

476
00:22:06,561 --> 00:22:09,921
Speaker 3: need the security. There would the security raise the profile

477
00:22:09,961 --> 00:22:12,041
Speaker 3: of the individual and so all the little things that

478
00:22:12,041 --> 00:22:14,921
Speaker 3: people don't really think about. But it could be from

479
00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:17,241
Speaker 3: the hotel of the first day of the press tour

480
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,401
Speaker 3: or from the airport. As you said, when something's gone wrong.

481
00:22:22,521 --> 00:22:23,881
Speaker 2: What is the anything that ever gone wrong?

482
00:22:24,561 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 3: There was there was one incident. We were me and

483
00:22:27,521 --> 00:22:30,241
Speaker 3: my colleague, the same same manager that I mentioned before.

484
00:22:30,281 --> 00:22:32,121
Speaker 3: He was a talent manager. We were working for him

485
00:22:32,241 --> 00:22:36,321
Speaker 3: and he had three or four of his clients and

486
00:22:36,481 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 3: we had five, I think we had four security that

487
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 3: we had arranged ourselves. And they had a VIP area

488
00:22:42,001 --> 00:22:44,241
Speaker 3: in one of the clubs in Mayfair. They knew the owner,

489
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,321
Speaker 3: and there was these four actors, all of their friends.

490
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 3: Some of those were famous, and there were some other

491
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 3: friends of friends who were also pretty famous allegedly. So

492
00:22:55,721 --> 00:22:57,281
Speaker 3: they were in their VIP area and then you know,

493
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 3: this guy come in with some band that had been

494
00:22:59,281 --> 00:23:02,241
Speaker 3: on X Factor or something, and he got the He

495
00:23:02,281 --> 00:23:04,441
Speaker 3: got really annoyed because he wasn't allowed into the VIP area.

496
00:23:04,681 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: He knew the owner and all that kind of stuff,

497
00:23:06,801 --> 00:23:08,801
Speaker 3: just tried to barge its way in. I mean, honestly,

498
00:23:08,921 --> 00:23:11,680
Speaker 3: that was probably as race as had gotten. We just

499
00:23:11,761 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: had to put him down and that was the end

500
00:23:14,521 --> 00:23:17,961
Speaker 3: of it. It lasted about thirty seconds. All the Americans

501
00:23:18,041 --> 00:23:25,721
Speaker 3: laughed it, yeah, come on, honestly, I mean, perhaps luckily

502
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 3: for me nothing. But interestingly, what I said earlier on

503
00:23:29,241 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 3: in the interview was about how my other sort of

504
00:23:32,241 --> 00:23:34,481
Speaker 3: skill set that I had accrued early on in my

505
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,761
Speaker 3: career became beneficial. Was because when I first started, I

506
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,801
Speaker 3: just threw my CV out to everyone, Like I said,

507
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,721
Speaker 3: it was not a good time economically speaking, anywhere in

508
00:23:43,761 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: the world. And I put it out through it to

509
00:23:46,921 --> 00:23:48,481
Speaker 3: a few companies. One company got back to him and

510
00:23:48,481 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 3: they said, look, the training program that you did very

511
00:23:51,481 --> 00:23:55,561
Speaker 3: much largely based on intelligence acquisition, which is true, which

512
00:23:55,561 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: is unusual for a closed protection course back then. I

513
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 3: responded back yes, and they said, well, come in from

514
00:24:01,681 --> 00:24:05,401
Speaker 3: an interview. And I went in and they basically said, look,

515
00:24:06,001 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: we're dealing with so many surveillance operations now. We need

516
00:24:09,801 --> 00:24:12,521
Speaker 3: new operatives, good operatives London based and I was based

517
00:24:12,561 --> 00:24:15,281
Speaker 3: pretty much in central London. I grew up in Islington

518
00:24:15,521 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 3: and I could get anywhere within twenty minutes, half hour

519
00:24:17,761 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 3: if I needed to. I said, I don't want to

520
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: do surveillance. It's not my thing. I've done the training.

521
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 3: I didn't enjoy it. It seems slight to me, you

522
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: know what I mean. It's I don't it's not natural

523
00:24:25,961 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: for me to sort of covertly follow someone. But they

524
00:24:29,201 --> 00:24:30,961
Speaker 3: said to me, well, and again they told me the

525
00:24:31,041 --> 00:24:32,961
Speaker 3: daily rate, which is pretty much Tripple was being paid.

526
00:24:33,001 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 3: I said, oh, anything for a friend. So yeah, So

527
00:24:37,681 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 3: I started doing surveillance, and I started doing a lot

528
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 3: of it. Honestly, I started to make serious money doing it.

529
00:24:42,961 --> 00:24:44,921
Speaker 3: And obviously after a period of TI I'm talking about

530
00:24:44,921 --> 00:24:47,561
Speaker 3: a couple of years, people started to kind of know

531
00:24:47,681 --> 00:24:50,481
Speaker 3: that that's what I'm also doing. The people you work

532
00:24:50,561 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 3: with in the entertainment protection side of things and all

533
00:24:54,441 --> 00:24:57,801
Speaker 3: of that, sort of those cohort people, they got to

534
00:24:57,921 --> 00:25:00,041
Speaker 3: know that I was doing surveillance and all the intelligence

535
00:25:00,041 --> 00:25:03,241
Speaker 3: stuff as well. And there was a very famous actor

536
00:25:03,321 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: that came over to the UK and he'd been followed

537
00:25:06,481 --> 00:25:08,041
Speaker 3: back from one of the studios. You know, the one

538
00:25:08,041 --> 00:25:10,281
Speaker 3: of the biggest green screens in the world is in London,

539
00:25:10,521 --> 00:25:13,521
Speaker 3: and we're just outside of London Pinewood Studios where they

540
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,921
Speaker 3: filmed Pirates of the Caribbean. A lot of the big

541
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,801
Speaker 3: Hollywood movies are shot actually in London, not in Hollywood

542
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 3: for that reason. And he was coming back from this studio,

543
00:25:22,561 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 3: this director and someone had noticed had been followed anyway.

544
00:25:26,721 --> 00:25:29,561
Speaker 3: So the security company for the film premiere all the

545
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,961
Speaker 3: rest of it, they said, look, we've got security with him.

546
00:25:32,521 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: But honestly, we don't really know what to do. I

547
00:25:35,281 --> 00:25:36,681
Speaker 3: was like, why are you contacting me? And they said,

548
00:25:36,801 --> 00:25:41,881
Speaker 3: because we've heard that you've done a lot with counter intelligence, intelligence, acquisition,

549
00:25:41,921 --> 00:25:43,801
Speaker 3: all the rest of it. So I said, well yeah,

550
00:25:44,561 --> 00:25:47,761
Speaker 3: but I was surprised because I was still the young kids,

551
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: you know, I was the young, skinny kid that just

552
00:25:50,241 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: kept himself quiet at the corner. And they said, look, honestly,

553
00:25:52,921 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 3: hold our hands up. We don't know what to do.

554
00:25:55,281 --> 00:25:57,561
Speaker 3: Any advice you can give us? So I said, all right.

555
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,521
Speaker 3: So I sat down with them, put together, like just

556
00:25:59,561 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 3: started doing drawings, just saying what if we do this,

557
00:26:01,281 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 3: do that, and then we kept our imagery there and

558
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,921
Speaker 3: counter observations and they were like, this is amazing. We're

559
00:26:06,921 --> 00:26:10,761
Speaker 3: going to tell you know, whoever's responsible for the money

560
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 3: side of things. They agreed to it entirely and that

561
00:26:14,041 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: was it. After that, I was kind of sort of

562
00:26:15,721 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: the person who to go to, the go to person,

563
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,521
Speaker 3: as it were, for not all celebrities, because that would

564
00:26:20,521 --> 00:26:22,321
Speaker 3: be ridiculous thing to say, but people at least who

565
00:26:22,321 --> 00:26:26,641
Speaker 3: are contracting this specific security company when things went wrong

566
00:26:26,761 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: or they just didn't really know how to deal with

567
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,521
Speaker 3: incidents that won you know, part of the normal sec

568
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:37,921
Speaker 3: celebrity stuff. You know. So if it's perhaps and crowd control, great,

569
00:26:37,961 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: but if it's something like a bit iffy, they were like, okay,

570
00:26:41,321 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 3: contacts as to see if Michael can sort of help out.

571
00:26:44,201 --> 00:26:45,921
Speaker 3: I know it sounds arrogant, it does acting in myself

572
00:26:45,961 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 3: talking to sound like a bit of an asshole, but

573
00:26:47,761 --> 00:26:50,721
Speaker 3: that was that was for me at least a kind

574
00:26:50,761 --> 00:26:55,561
Speaker 3: of sort of a route into the sort of more

575
00:26:55,721 --> 00:26:59,201
Speaker 3: serious stuff. And then after that, yeah, I moved into

576
00:26:59,721 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: sort of Russian markets. There was always more money there.

577
00:27:03,521 --> 00:27:07,241
Speaker 1: Who'd you reckon was would you say females or males

578
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,481
Speaker 1: are the wis to look after?

579
00:27:09,441 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: It depends, honestly, it depends.

580
00:27:11,201 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Would you have a female if there was a female client, No, no.

581
00:27:15,201 --> 00:27:17,881
Speaker 3: Not celebrities there. So if if they come, if it's

582
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,561
Speaker 3: a female, come from the Middle East, she's going to

583
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,201
Speaker 3: have a female, there's no, there's no question. So now

584
00:27:22,281 --> 00:27:25,041
Speaker 3: the company I work for now that we work with

585
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,321
Speaker 3: a lot of companies in the Middle East. You know,

586
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,921
Speaker 3: I live in the Middle East. We work for families

587
00:27:29,001 --> 00:27:32,761
Speaker 3: from Yue Qatar and elsewhere, and they know they have

588
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,161
Speaker 3: their females with them. You can't have male bodyguards and females.

589
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,001
Speaker 3: That's just not going to happen. So, yeah, they do.

590
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:42,961
Speaker 3: But celebrities that's less common honestly, which I mean, I

591
00:27:42,961 --> 00:27:45,561
Speaker 3: don't really know why other than the fact that it's

592
00:27:45,561 --> 00:27:47,521
Speaker 3: going to be there's a little bit of argiebargie, and

593
00:27:47,681 --> 00:27:49,801
Speaker 3: I don't notice the decision. The decision lies with the

594
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,321
Speaker 3: record labels, honestly, and a lot of the decision makers

595
00:27:53,321 --> 00:27:55,681
Speaker 3: are women themselves. So it's not like I don't think

596
00:27:55,681 --> 00:27:57,961
Speaker 3: it's a sexiest thing unless it is. I don't know,

597
00:27:58,041 --> 00:28:00,321
Speaker 3: it's faster women if they're being sexiest to their gender.

598
00:28:01,281 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

599
00:28:01,761 --> 00:28:05,521
Speaker 1: You know, were you ever contracted to a client for

600
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: a long period of time, like personally or was it mostly.

601
00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 3: Just in celebrity?

602
00:28:10,481 --> 00:28:10,681
Speaker 2: Yeah?

603
00:28:11,521 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 3: No, not really. There was one client. I mean there

604
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,241
Speaker 3: were one or two, maybe three or four actually that

605
00:28:16,681 --> 00:28:18,961
Speaker 3: when they came I was with them, but not not

606
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:20,961
Speaker 3: they were based in London for any long period of time.

607
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: The truth is that the budget don't the budget doesn't

608
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: allow for it. Celebrities own good money, well, actors and

609
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 3: actresses and you know, music talent, most of them are

610
00:28:32,241 --> 00:28:34,281
Speaker 3: good money. But they're not going to spend the money

611
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:37,801
Speaker 3: that would be required for full time security themselves. So

612
00:28:37,921 --> 00:28:39,801
Speaker 3: the security they get, like I said, it's funded by

613
00:28:39,841 --> 00:28:44,401
Speaker 3: the repro lebs and the studios. It's it's very red.

614
00:28:44,441 --> 00:28:47,881
Speaker 3: There's any two or three celebrities, Well, there's probably a

615
00:28:47,881 --> 00:28:50,121
Speaker 3: few more. I'm sure there's a few more that actually

616
00:28:50,161 --> 00:28:54,641
Speaker 3: had their own full time guy as it were. I

617
00:28:54,681 --> 00:28:56,361
Speaker 3: won't mention it. They are, but you know, some of

618
00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:59,041
Speaker 3: them live abroad, so probably less costly than it would

619
00:28:59,081 --> 00:29:04,641
Speaker 3: be in the UK. There's one very famous. I mean,

620
00:29:04,761 --> 00:29:08,361
Speaker 3: these the two men I'm referencing, one's America that lives

621
00:29:08,401 --> 00:29:10,961
Speaker 3: in he lives in Europe somewhere not in the UK,

622
00:29:11,601 --> 00:29:13,801
Speaker 3: and the other one is America. Lives in America still.

623
00:29:14,761 --> 00:29:17,001
Speaker 3: But he used to have his own guy. But he

624
00:29:17,081 --> 00:29:19,681
Speaker 3: would tell the studios when he wanted him, so the

625
00:29:19,721 --> 00:29:22,401
Speaker 3: studio just said okay, fine, like they didn't have a choice, right,

626
00:29:22,441 --> 00:29:24,041
Speaker 3: So he used to have the same person. So in

627
00:29:24,161 --> 00:29:26,721
Speaker 3: that sense, it's very rare for someone to be with

628
00:29:26,801 --> 00:29:32,721
Speaker 3: someone permanently. Maybe very very frequently, but not not not

629
00:29:32,841 --> 00:29:34,881
Speaker 3: often the case I mean, like I said, go back

630
00:29:34,881 --> 00:29:38,641
Speaker 3: to the recession, and they hangover from that. They were

631
00:29:39,001 --> 00:29:42,001
Speaker 3: they wouldn't even pay for us to travel to like

632
00:29:42,121 --> 00:29:45,641
Speaker 3: Paris and stuff. I mean, we had we had this woman,

633
00:29:46,161 --> 00:29:49,761
Speaker 3: a female singer. Again, she is a she still is

634
00:29:49,841 --> 00:29:52,801
Speaker 3: very famous. She when she came over, we worked with her.

635
00:29:53,841 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: She wasn't a night but actually was the manager. Her

636
00:29:55,801 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: manager was a nightmare. We were put to go to

637
00:29:58,281 --> 00:30:02,761
Speaker 3: Paris and on the train, not not flying, on the train,

638
00:30:02,761 --> 00:30:04,241
Speaker 3: and to be fair, the train is more convenient. But

639
00:30:04,801 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: they decided last minute not to do it because they

640
00:30:06,521 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: found a cheaper option, which honestly, I think it was

641
00:30:08,441 --> 00:30:10,081
Speaker 3: like two hundred plant. They just like they saved and

642
00:30:10,161 --> 00:30:13,921
Speaker 3: it's like, so sat on a train hundred pound.

643
00:30:13,921 --> 00:30:15,361
Speaker 2: They was the same that they just wanted to save

644
00:30:15,401 --> 00:30:16,361
Speaker 2: money for two hundred pounds.

645
00:30:16,881 --> 00:30:19,081
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I always wonder who is it doing that?

646
00:30:19,201 --> 00:30:21,121
Speaker 3: Is it the manager or is it the record label?

647
00:30:21,161 --> 00:30:22,681
Speaker 3: Who is I don't know. Do they get do the

648
00:30:22,801 --> 00:30:25,241
Speaker 3: record label fork out the budget for security first and

649
00:30:25,321 --> 00:30:27,161
Speaker 3: the managers kind of you know, sort of shaves off

650
00:30:27,161 --> 00:30:28,641
Speaker 3: the top. I don't know, but yeah, that does that

651
00:30:28,841 --> 00:30:30,721
Speaker 3: does happen a lot, you know. And by the way,

652
00:30:30,801 --> 00:30:33,641
Speaker 3: this was on the Eurostide. This first class isn't amazing,

653
00:30:34,481 --> 00:30:37,001
Speaker 3: it's she's going to be harassed the whole journey, do

654
00:30:37,001 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

655
00:30:37,561 --> 00:30:41,521
Speaker 1: So, yeah, I don't know as a as a as

656
00:30:41,521 --> 00:30:43,761
Speaker 1: a client ever wanted to take you, like I know

657
00:30:43,881 --> 00:30:45,921
Speaker 1: you say that they don't, they don't. But has it

658
00:30:46,041 --> 00:30:48,601
Speaker 1: ever a client said to you, why don't you come

659
00:30:48,641 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: over to the to the US, Why don't you come

660
00:30:51,041 --> 00:30:52,761
Speaker 1: back over and work for me over there?

661
00:30:53,041 --> 00:30:53,841
Speaker 2: Have you ever been offered that?

662
00:30:54,401 --> 00:30:56,081
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I've been offered it, but it was it

663
00:30:56,121 --> 00:30:58,241
Speaker 3: was an unrealistic proposal because he wasn't going to pay

664
00:30:58,281 --> 00:31:00,401
Speaker 3: for it. There was one There was one guy the

665
00:31:00,441 --> 00:31:03,121
Speaker 3: same age as me, but we got on really really well.

666
00:31:03,721 --> 00:31:07,001
Speaker 3: He was we weren't from the same background now or

667
00:31:07,081 --> 00:31:09,041
Speaker 3: you know, he's from America and from the UK, and

668
00:31:09,121 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: he grew up in a middle class background. I didn't

669
00:31:11,521 --> 00:31:15,241
Speaker 3: he and he but he was just wild and I

670
00:31:15,321 --> 00:31:17,521
Speaker 3: knew how to handle wild people because you know, he

671
00:31:18,561 --> 00:31:20,521
Speaker 3: was like one of my mates, you know, in the

672
00:31:20,601 --> 00:31:23,721
Speaker 3: sense that he was always always on the he was

673
00:31:23,721 --> 00:31:26,601
Speaker 3: always boozy, and he's always after getting single. It's always

674
00:31:26,641 --> 00:31:28,921
Speaker 3: after his managers like you need to look after you

675
00:31:29,001 --> 00:31:31,121
Speaker 3: need to start with him all night. It's all right.

676
00:31:31,161 --> 00:31:33,521
Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean he was just a lunatic. But

677
00:31:33,561 --> 00:31:35,361
Speaker 3: I knew how to handle him, and we just got

678
00:31:35,361 --> 00:31:36,641
Speaker 3: on really where you are and he said to me, look,

679
00:31:36,841 --> 00:31:38,641
Speaker 3: you need to come and move over, move over to

680
00:31:40,041 --> 00:31:42,081
Speaker 3: to the US. And I said, well, I don't mind.

681
00:31:42,801 --> 00:31:44,321
Speaker 3: You know, it's a dream as a as a kid

682
00:31:44,441 --> 00:31:47,321
Speaker 3: to move to work in the US. But like I say,

683
00:31:47,441 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: it was an unrealistic proposer because he was going to

684
00:31:50,481 --> 00:31:53,361
Speaker 3: pay for it. He wasn't and his manager certainly wasn't

685
00:31:53,481 --> 00:31:55,601
Speaker 3: because his manager won't even pay for it, you know

686
00:31:55,641 --> 00:31:58,081
Speaker 3: what I mean. So, yeah, it's a nice thing to

687
00:31:58,161 --> 00:32:00,601
Speaker 3: think about, but I think that is very, very rare.

688
00:32:00,881 --> 00:32:04,481
Speaker 3: I have a colleague actually who he's a contributor actually

689
00:32:04,481 --> 00:32:06,521
Speaker 3: to one of my books of books, five books, nearly

690
00:32:06,681 --> 00:32:09,561
Speaker 3: nearly finished, and he's one of the contributors to it.

691
00:32:09,641 --> 00:32:12,241
Speaker 3: Like I asked five or six people to just write

692
00:32:12,281 --> 00:32:16,041
Speaker 3: a few paragraphs about what they've done, and he's one

693
00:32:16,081 --> 00:32:17,801
Speaker 3: of them. And he worked for the same company as me,

694
00:32:18,801 --> 00:32:22,041
Speaker 3: and he was just in the right place, right time

695
00:32:22,441 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: and during London Fashion Week, and someone very very famous

696
00:32:26,521 --> 00:32:31,161
Speaker 3: in the fashion industry was protected by him and he

697
00:32:31,281 --> 00:32:32,601
Speaker 3: just liked him and said, right, you're kind of work

698
00:32:32,601 --> 00:32:35,961
Speaker 3: for me. Done it. But he owned a big fashion brand.

699
00:32:36,241 --> 00:32:40,001
Speaker 3: He could afford to. It's different with actors and I

700
00:32:40,041 --> 00:32:41,881
Speaker 3: don't say actors and actually can't afford it. It's just

701
00:32:41,921 --> 00:32:44,081
Speaker 3: like it's a huge challenge and I mean it's massive,

702
00:32:44,401 --> 00:32:47,281
Speaker 3: it's huge. So yeah, I've got off it it once,

703
00:32:47,321 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: but it was just it was paralytic. I don't think it.

704
00:32:54,281 --> 00:32:56,681
Speaker 1: But you have you have worked for some like like

705
00:32:56,761 --> 00:32:58,601
Speaker 1: the three big names that I've seen that you work for,

706
00:32:58,881 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: like Paul McCartney, You've Furman, Bradley Cooper, you know what.

707
00:33:04,161 --> 00:33:06,041
Speaker 2: So yeah, you have for some big names.

708
00:33:06,681 --> 00:33:09,161
Speaker 3: Do you know what? When a few articles they did

709
00:33:09,241 --> 00:33:11,921
Speaker 3: about me on about my work, I was really fortunate

710
00:33:12,041 --> 00:33:14,801
Speaker 3: enough by a news outlet that did an article about

711
00:33:14,841 --> 00:33:18,681
Speaker 3: me and they all, well they and others seem to

712
00:33:18,681 --> 00:33:21,161
Speaker 3: pick up on that Bradley Cooper photograph, right, And I

713
00:33:21,201 --> 00:33:23,641
Speaker 3: don't even know where they got that from. I honestly,

714
00:33:23,681 --> 00:33:25,881
Speaker 3: I don't know where it came from. That was just

715
00:33:25,961 --> 00:33:29,121
Speaker 3: me opening a car door a film premiere. I spoke

716
00:33:29,161 --> 00:33:31,801
Speaker 3: to him brief Yet I spoke to him briefly. I

717
00:33:31,881 --> 00:33:34,601
Speaker 3: didn't actually work with him, right, I was just what

718
00:33:34,761 --> 00:33:37,921
Speaker 3: happened was you get different roles right in a film premiere,

719
00:33:37,961 --> 00:33:40,481
Speaker 3: like you are the doors the cinema open door or

720
00:33:40,761 --> 00:33:44,681
Speaker 3: helped seeing the premiere. Yeah, it was just I was

721
00:33:44,881 --> 00:33:45,761
Speaker 3: on the car doors.

722
00:33:45,641 --> 00:33:47,321
Speaker 2: That day, so you were just at the right time,

723
00:33:47,361 --> 00:33:47,961
Speaker 2: at the right place.

724
00:33:49,361 --> 00:33:53,001
Speaker 3: And then there was this sort of screenshot and yeah

725
00:33:53,201 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 3: it was and it was. Oh I spoke to him

726
00:33:55,721 --> 00:33:57,681
Speaker 3: and I met him, but like it wasn't. We didn't

727
00:33:57,681 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 3: work together as such. You know, I wish I did,

728
00:33:59,281 --> 00:34:04,641
Speaker 3: because he seems like quite cool fella. But Uma Firman,

729
00:34:04,681 --> 00:34:06,681
Speaker 3: I did work. Um Firman. I was actually working with

730
00:34:06,721 --> 00:34:09,321
Speaker 3: a jewelry brand and she was going to an event

731
00:34:09,481 --> 00:34:12,881
Speaker 3: and the jury brand weren't letting her go to an

732
00:34:12,881 --> 00:34:18,041
Speaker 3: event without the jewelry being secured. Yeah, and so again

733
00:34:18,121 --> 00:34:21,081
Speaker 3: another example where celebrity themselves doesn't actually pay for it.

734
00:34:21,201 --> 00:34:25,201
Speaker 3: So she was probably paid by the jewelry brand a

735
00:34:25,281 --> 00:34:27,201
Speaker 3: good sum of money, more than I was, I'd imagine,

736
00:34:27,321 --> 00:34:29,641
Speaker 3: And she went to the event, and I looked after

737
00:34:29,681 --> 00:34:33,041
Speaker 3: the jewelry, not necessarily her. I don't know how. We

738
00:34:33,361 --> 00:34:35,761
Speaker 3: had this conversation jokingly amongst us some of the other

739
00:34:35,801 --> 00:34:38,281
Speaker 3: fellas working with the other actors and extras or whatever,

740
00:34:39,001 --> 00:34:42,321
Speaker 3: and I was like, what if something happens right, what

741
00:34:42,401 --> 00:34:44,201
Speaker 3: we're going to? What are we going to do like

742
00:34:44,321 --> 00:34:46,321
Speaker 3: hold the pin them down and like rip the diamonds

743
00:34:46,361 --> 00:34:51,681
Speaker 3: off their neck or whatever. I mean, yeah, she was really,

744
00:34:52,281 --> 00:34:53,441
Speaker 3: really really nice.

745
00:34:53,841 --> 00:34:55,641
Speaker 2: Did she have a security guy herself?

746
00:34:55,801 --> 00:34:57,641
Speaker 1: Like, because you you were there to look after a jewelry,

747
00:34:58,081 --> 00:35:00,161
Speaker 1: but did she have someone else there to look after her?

748
00:35:00,281 --> 00:35:02,201
Speaker 2: Or were you there with her for both?

749
00:35:03,401 --> 00:35:05,721
Speaker 3: No? I was. I was there. Primary. My principle was

750
00:35:05,721 --> 00:35:07,601
Speaker 3: the jury the jewlry that she had on. From what

751
00:35:07,681 --> 00:35:09,321
Speaker 3: I remember, because I used to work with a lot

752
00:35:09,361 --> 00:35:13,041
Speaker 3: of the jewelry brands, we used to covert like escort.

753
00:35:13,241 --> 00:35:15,601
Speaker 3: We used to take the jewery in back just like back,

754
00:35:15,721 --> 00:35:19,201
Speaker 3: like bags like this on the on the London Underground

755
00:35:19,241 --> 00:35:21,961
Speaker 3: and things to foto shoots there worth millions, millions of

756
00:35:22,001 --> 00:35:23,961
Speaker 3: pounds like no one knew obviously it was pretty covert.

757
00:35:24,001 --> 00:35:26,121
Speaker 3: But on that occasion though, I was working for the

758
00:35:26,201 --> 00:35:28,721
Speaker 3: jewelry brand and there were no bones made about it.

759
00:35:28,801 --> 00:35:30,401
Speaker 3: They said to me, you're working for the jewelry, not her.

760
00:35:31,161 --> 00:35:35,001
Speaker 3: It's a difficult situation, they put in because instinctively you

761
00:35:35,121 --> 00:35:37,601
Speaker 3: protect the individual, don't you. I mean, if you've done

762
00:35:37,601 --> 00:35:39,521
Speaker 3: that for a job in it and the jewelry is

763
00:35:39,561 --> 00:35:42,281
Speaker 3: on a person, you can't not work with the person

764
00:35:42,521 --> 00:35:44,961
Speaker 3: you know, and invariably you're going to talk to them

765
00:35:45,001 --> 00:35:47,121
Speaker 3: and make conversation all the rest of it. And she,

766
00:35:47,361 --> 00:35:49,161
Speaker 3: like I said, she was really nice. The people she

767
00:35:49,281 --> 00:35:51,841
Speaker 3: was surrounded by. It it wasn't her fault because they

768
00:35:52,161 --> 00:35:54,361
Speaker 3: came with the event. I can't say, I'm just trying

769
00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:59,121
Speaker 3: to tread carefully. But they again, that was another situation

770
00:35:59,161 --> 00:36:01,681
Speaker 3: where your stupid security, don't you keep your mouth shut?

771
00:36:01,721 --> 00:36:04,721
Speaker 3: It was they one of them said to me, stop talking,

772
00:36:04,841 --> 00:36:08,241
Speaker 3: you don't know her. I was fuck. Yeah, It's a

773
00:36:08,321 --> 00:36:10,081
Speaker 3: lot of that stuff kind of happened around celebrities. You know,

774
00:36:10,121 --> 00:36:12,841
Speaker 3: people just get the nickers in the twist with the

775
00:36:13,001 --> 00:36:15,361
Speaker 3: fame that someone had and sort of didn't know how

776
00:36:15,401 --> 00:36:18,881
Speaker 3: to manage it. So rather than sort of manage themselves,

777
00:36:18,961 --> 00:36:22,841
Speaker 3: they would kind of, you know, verbally attack you to

778
00:36:22,921 --> 00:36:25,801
Speaker 3: kind of make themselves seen or filming board. That happened

779
00:36:25,841 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 3: a lot, and that used to really want me. That's

780
00:36:27,481 --> 00:36:28,921
Speaker 3: one of the reasons I left the security at the

781
00:36:29,041 --> 00:36:33,961
Speaker 3: celebrity circuit. The PR usually outsourced firms. They yeah, they

782
00:36:34,041 --> 00:36:37,441
Speaker 3: were always like, just you put I mean, I mean,

783
00:36:37,481 --> 00:36:39,241
Speaker 3: if I could, like, you know, show you what it

784
00:36:39,281 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: looks like it's like they're just going like you're a child.

785
00:36:42,761 --> 00:36:45,481
Speaker 3: Shut up. I remember one there was one guy right,

786
00:36:45,521 --> 00:36:47,841
Speaker 3: Like I said, I worked on three hundred film premiers

787
00:36:47,841 --> 00:36:50,561
Speaker 3: by the time I finished working in that sort of area,

788
00:36:51,441 --> 00:36:55,481
Speaker 3: and the there was one guy that was out of

789
00:36:55,681 --> 00:36:57,321
Speaker 3: all of the film premiers, he was probably there for

790
00:36:57,321 --> 00:37:00,761
Speaker 3: about sixty percent of them. So frequently you would talk

791
00:37:00,841 --> 00:37:03,321
Speaker 3: to some of the men and women that were working

792
00:37:03,401 --> 00:37:06,041
Speaker 3: for the pr and you know, seeing if they need anything,

793
00:37:06,121 --> 00:37:09,401
Speaker 3: and you know, just general conversation. Working for long periods

794
00:37:09,401 --> 00:37:12,041
Speaker 3: of time. By the way, film premiers would last typically

795
00:37:12,521 --> 00:37:15,601
Speaker 3: four to five hours, but there was before and after parties,

796
00:37:15,721 --> 00:37:17,641
Speaker 3: so the after party has gone for hours, and they

797
00:37:17,721 --> 00:37:21,281
Speaker 3: were also there, so you knew each other, right. And

798
00:37:21,361 --> 00:37:22,921
Speaker 3: there was this one guy that I was doing the

799
00:37:23,001 --> 00:37:25,881
Speaker 3: close protection for someone I can't remember it was. And

800
00:37:25,961 --> 00:37:28,041
Speaker 3: I said to my excuse me. I don't remember his

801
00:37:28,121 --> 00:37:31,081
Speaker 3: name right, which probably didn't help, probably bruised his ego.

802
00:37:31,121 --> 00:37:32,281
Speaker 3: But I said, excuse me, and he went to me,

803
00:37:32,681 --> 00:37:34,481
Speaker 3: just walked away from me, like like he was scared.

804
00:37:34,801 --> 00:37:37,761
Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do. And he went to

805
00:37:37,921 --> 00:37:39,161
Speaker 3: excuse me, sorry, don't talk to me.

806
00:37:39,281 --> 00:37:39,881
Speaker 2: I don't know you.

807
00:37:40,121 --> 00:37:40,641
Speaker 3: I was like what.

808
00:37:42,721 --> 00:37:42,961
Speaker 2: To give it.

809
00:37:43,041 --> 00:37:45,321
Speaker 3: For years. It was just the most bizarre thing. I thought,

810
00:37:45,321 --> 00:37:46,961
Speaker 3: you know what, this isn't a case of him not

811
00:37:47,041 --> 00:37:49,361
Speaker 3: knowing me. This is a sort of power play of

812
00:37:49,481 --> 00:37:52,121
Speaker 3: him sort of I'm more important to you, do not

813
00:37:52,241 --> 00:37:55,681
Speaker 3: talk to me. It was a typical sort of middle

814
00:37:55,721 --> 00:37:59,201
Speaker 3: class working class I'm here, you're there. You know, you

815
00:37:59,321 --> 00:38:01,401
Speaker 3: do your job. Actually that's the other thing. They won't

816
00:38:01,441 --> 00:38:02,801
Speaker 3: let you do your job because you didn't know how

817
00:38:02,841 --> 00:38:04,481
Speaker 3: to do it, you know, security. You were just sort

818
00:38:04,481 --> 00:38:07,041
Speaker 3: of there to put up and shut up and sort

819
00:38:07,041 --> 00:38:08,401
Speaker 3: of looked the part. I think. I don't know what

820
00:38:08,441 --> 00:38:13,321
Speaker 3: they expected anything that went wrong though, and it didn't

821
00:38:13,441 --> 00:38:15,841
Speaker 3: be in my case. They had to ship themselves and

822
00:38:16,161 --> 00:38:20,681
Speaker 3: they don't have liked to you know, they wouldn't want

823
00:38:20,681 --> 00:38:23,441
Speaker 3: to do of course. But yeah, that honestly that that

824
00:38:23,721 --> 00:38:25,921
Speaker 3: I'm not joking. I actually wrote a piece in my

825
00:38:26,001 --> 00:38:28,641
Speaker 3: book that I had to take out afterwards because it's

826
00:38:28,721 --> 00:38:31,081
Speaker 3: near completion and I was going through it and there

827
00:38:31,121 --> 00:38:32,761
Speaker 3: are bits in there that are highlighted in yellow, which

828
00:38:32,761 --> 00:38:35,521
Speaker 3: I've written after I've had a drink, I tend to

829
00:38:35,561 --> 00:38:40,081
Speaker 3: write much more fluid. Know why, I don't know what

830
00:38:40,241 --> 00:38:42,321
Speaker 3: it is. I've wake up the next house, haveing a

831
00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:44,481
Speaker 3: few drinks. I'm like, I'll read it, and I'm like, oh,

832
00:38:46,761 --> 00:38:47,801
Speaker 3: it looks like Shakespeare.

833
00:38:51,161 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: What kind of clients? Hell, do you prefer to work after?

834
00:38:54,201 --> 00:38:56,161
Speaker 3: I always enjoy working with the Russians. I don't know,

835
00:38:56,961 --> 00:39:00,001
Speaker 3: in no way do I support or approve what's happened.

836
00:39:00,121 --> 00:39:01,761
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get to a political thing. But

837
00:39:02,881 --> 00:39:05,161
Speaker 3: they were always a culture that they're like us. You know,

838
00:39:05,161 --> 00:39:06,961
Speaker 3: They've got a similar sense of humor to us, believe

839
00:39:06,961 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: it or not. And they're just straight talkers some of them,

840
00:39:11,641 --> 00:39:13,601
Speaker 3: some of them not. Orc You can't tell them all

841
00:39:13,641 --> 00:39:15,041
Speaker 3: with one brush. Some of they are a bit more

842
00:39:15,081 --> 00:39:17,881
Speaker 3: paranoid than others, and that required that's quite difficult to

843
00:39:17,961 --> 00:39:20,081
Speaker 3: navigate because you don't know where they be serious when

844
00:39:20,121 --> 00:39:22,761
Speaker 3: they're not. But they were always just straight talkers. What

845
00:39:22,881 --> 00:39:24,641
Speaker 3: you saw is what you get, and that was it.

846
00:39:24,801 --> 00:39:27,921
Speaker 3: But Middle Eastern clients are really the Middle Eastern people

847
00:39:27,961 --> 00:39:29,881
Speaker 3: are like, honestly, I'm not just so next to live here.

848
00:39:29,961 --> 00:39:32,241
Speaker 3: They are generally the nicest sort of people you'll come across,

849
00:39:32,281 --> 00:39:34,721
Speaker 3: I think, especially where I live in the UE, and

850
00:39:35,481 --> 00:39:39,201
Speaker 3: they are so nice. That was my mind. Actually, sometimes

851
00:39:39,281 --> 00:39:41,321
Speaker 3: how kind and nice. They are a bit like you're

852
00:39:41,321 --> 00:39:44,521
Speaker 3: you going to do some horrible now, you know. But

853
00:39:45,161 --> 00:39:48,281
Speaker 3: so I always enjoyed working with them sometimes and then talent.

854
00:39:48,801 --> 00:39:51,241
Speaker 3: I didn't mind as long as I wasn't being sort

855
00:39:51,281 --> 00:39:54,481
Speaker 3: of held to account by someone who thought that I

856
00:39:54,561 --> 00:39:58,281
Speaker 3: was a complete idiot. Really, now I think about it, Historically,

857
00:39:59,081 --> 00:40:02,401
Speaker 3: my favorite clients were the group of Americans I've referenced

858
00:40:02,401 --> 00:40:05,561
Speaker 3: a couple of times now that one manager I don't

859
00:40:05,561 --> 00:40:07,841
Speaker 3: want to say his name is Eric, the manager and

860
00:40:08,041 --> 00:40:12,121
Speaker 3: his clients. He was always such a nice such a

861
00:40:12,201 --> 00:40:15,801
Speaker 3: nice fellow, and all of these clients were always really

862
00:40:15,921 --> 00:40:17,801
Speaker 3: nice as well, and he introduced us to other people.

863
00:40:17,921 --> 00:40:20,681
Speaker 3: He tried to help us acquire more work through people

864
00:40:20,721 --> 00:40:23,081
Speaker 3: he knew. He introduced us to our celebrities directly, and

865
00:40:23,161 --> 00:40:25,201
Speaker 3: he looked after us properly, you know. He made sure

866
00:40:25,241 --> 00:40:27,921
Speaker 3: that we ate in the nicest restaurants with them, maybe

867
00:40:27,921 --> 00:40:30,001
Speaker 3: on the table when it was appropriate to do that, whatever,

868
00:40:30,081 --> 00:40:31,841
Speaker 3: but he made sure that we were well looked after,

869
00:40:32,121 --> 00:40:33,481
Speaker 3: and I enjoyed that. It was a good time. That

870
00:40:33,561 --> 00:40:35,121
Speaker 3: was a good sort of period of my life.

871
00:40:35,961 --> 00:40:38,001
Speaker 2: Yeah, but has anyone ever attempted you to.

872
00:40:39,521 --> 00:40:42,801
Speaker 1: To go on the world because you've got to You've

873
00:40:42,801 --> 00:40:45,721
Speaker 1: got a big profile. So surely surely Sean would have

874
00:40:45,761 --> 00:40:46,801
Speaker 1: tried to tempted.

875
00:40:46,521 --> 00:40:46,761
Speaker 3: You to go.

876
00:40:46,881 --> 00:40:48,921
Speaker 2: You know, even the Russians.

877
00:40:49,121 --> 00:40:54,161
Speaker 3: Like the Russians comes a whole different bunch of threats,

878
00:40:54,401 --> 00:40:59,041
Speaker 3: you know, kidnaped threats and whatnot. But what I was

879
00:40:59,081 --> 00:41:02,641
Speaker 3: probably quite lucky, right because one there are two elements

880
00:41:02,641 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: I think where I've had people come to be saying

881
00:41:05,081 --> 00:41:08,281
Speaker 3: you can do this, and I've always said I've always

882
00:41:08,321 --> 00:41:09,761
Speaker 3: had to come up with an excuse because I don't

883
00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:11,321
Speaker 3: want to be like, no, I'm too good now you

884
00:41:11,361 --> 00:41:13,601
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And I'm not. It's just because

885
00:41:13,961 --> 00:41:15,361
Speaker 3: I have to stay on the right side of the law,

886
00:41:15,401 --> 00:41:17,041
Speaker 3: and now I'm in a situation where it could just

887
00:41:17,201 --> 00:41:20,801
Speaker 3: never happen. I've worked with the Australian government and believe me,

888
00:41:20,881 --> 00:41:24,241
Speaker 3: they've been in my phone like remotely. You know, you

889
00:41:24,281 --> 00:41:27,241
Speaker 3: can just tell. But before all of that, going back

890
00:41:27,281 --> 00:41:29,281
Speaker 3: to the start, when I did my close protection course,

891
00:41:29,401 --> 00:41:31,601
Speaker 3: I was just probably very lucky. When listen, the first thing,

892
00:41:31,881 --> 00:41:35,121
Speaker 3: the second thing I'm going to tell you is don't

893
00:41:35,201 --> 00:41:37,841
Speaker 3: do anything, don't work with anyone that's involved or allied,

894
00:41:37,841 --> 00:41:40,721
Speaker 3: cry anything like that. I'm all okay, because I think

895
00:41:40,801 --> 00:41:42,721
Speaker 3: few people have sort of say, similar background to me,

896
00:41:43,481 --> 00:41:46,241
Speaker 3: and they said, look, he said, the thing is, despite

897
00:41:46,321 --> 00:41:49,481
Speaker 3: what you think, you know, you will never win, especially

898
00:41:49,481 --> 00:41:52,121
Speaker 3: in your position. The other people might you know, people

899
00:41:52,121 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: you're working with, they might get away with stuff because

900
00:41:54,041 --> 00:41:57,521
Speaker 3: you're just vulnerable all the time, and you can have

901
00:41:57,641 --> 00:42:00,241
Speaker 3: a great career on the right side of the law.

902
00:42:01,201 --> 00:42:03,121
Speaker 3: And then obviously joined the Royal Military Please it kind

903
00:42:03,121 --> 00:42:05,041
Speaker 3: of encouraged me to sort of stick on that right side.

904
00:42:05,281 --> 00:42:08,081
Speaker 3: And then the military police kind of actually introduced a

905
00:42:08,121 --> 00:42:09,961
Speaker 3: new interest in the law to me. So I did

906
00:42:10,001 --> 00:42:12,281
Speaker 3: a law degree quite recently, only graduated like two and

907
00:42:12,281 --> 00:42:14,721
Speaker 3: a half years ago, I think. So I did a

908
00:42:14,761 --> 00:42:16,641
Speaker 3: full time law degree and all that kind of stuff.

909
00:42:16,681 --> 00:42:19,641
Speaker 3: And you know, even before and during that time, I

910
00:42:19,761 --> 00:42:22,321
Speaker 3: worked with the Australian government, the Guarneian government. So when

911
00:42:22,361 --> 00:42:24,841
Speaker 3: the Ghana government I worked with, it's called the BNI.

912
00:42:25,041 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 3: It's like their versions of FBI counterintelligence units around the world.

913
00:42:31,601 --> 00:42:35,081
Speaker 3: So you get to a point like it's even if

914
00:42:35,121 --> 00:42:37,761
Speaker 3: I decided I was going to I would be called

915
00:42:37,841 --> 00:42:41,041
Speaker 3: very quickly, like even now my phone's over there. I mean,

916
00:42:42,201 --> 00:42:46,121
Speaker 3: I'm not paranoid, I'm not conspiratorial at all. But if

917
00:42:46,201 --> 00:42:48,521
Speaker 3: someone wants to find foot out about me, like they

918
00:42:48,641 --> 00:42:52,641
Speaker 3: probably could, it's I'm such an open book now and

919
00:42:52,761 --> 00:42:56,481
Speaker 3: I think it helps with my company's marketing.

920
00:42:56,921 --> 00:42:58,401
Speaker 2: What do you reckon makes a good bodyguard?

921
00:42:59,281 --> 00:43:04,041
Speaker 3: Good communication skills, appearance. I think your appearance counts for

922
00:43:04,041 --> 00:43:06,161
Speaker 3: a lot, honestly, because it's the first impression. You don't

923
00:43:06,161 --> 00:43:08,321
Speaker 3: get a second chance to make the first impression. The

924
00:43:08,401 --> 00:43:10,881
Speaker 3: ability to think dynamically. You know, you have to deal

925
00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:13,881
Speaker 3: with scenarios left, right, and center. It's how you handle them.

926
00:43:14,641 --> 00:43:17,721
Speaker 3: Communication skills, and then there's interpersonal skills. They're closely linked

927
00:43:17,761 --> 00:43:19,921
Speaker 3: but are very different. Communication is just about you know,

928
00:43:20,041 --> 00:43:21,521
Speaker 3: how you talk and the way you did have a message.

929
00:43:21,521 --> 00:43:24,561
Speaker 3: Into into personal is more about having rapport with a

930
00:43:24,641 --> 00:43:26,961
Speaker 3: specific individual and then having a different approach with the

931
00:43:27,321 --> 00:43:30,641
Speaker 3: person who's totally different to that one. So I think

932
00:43:30,881 --> 00:43:34,681
Speaker 3: all of those things. I think the key thing though,

933
00:43:35,321 --> 00:43:38,721
Speaker 3: is honestly good like common sense, and that's what we

934
00:43:38,801 --> 00:43:41,601
Speaker 3: struggle to find. Like, we get a lot of people

935
00:43:41,641 --> 00:43:44,041
Speaker 3: come on our training programs and after twenty one days,

936
00:43:44,321 --> 00:43:46,961
Speaker 3: it just transpires that they're not willing to be flexible.

937
00:43:47,761 --> 00:43:50,001
Speaker 3: They've drawn a vision in their mind what body God

938
00:43:50,081 --> 00:43:51,561
Speaker 3: is going to be about like nine to five. It's

939
00:43:51,601 --> 00:43:54,881
Speaker 3: definitely not you've got to what you you know, if

940
00:43:54,921 --> 00:43:56,801
Speaker 3: you're in a relationships, probably not a great art. It's

941
00:43:56,841 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: not career honestly, because you know, relationships suffer, they really

942
00:44:01,521 --> 00:44:06,721
Speaker 3: really do. Romantic relationships, social friendships, everything. If you've got kids,

943
00:44:07,081 --> 00:44:11,481
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard willingness to commit and to you know,

944
00:44:11,801 --> 00:44:15,921
Speaker 3: achieve something within a quicker timeframe as possible. Having all

945
00:44:16,001 --> 00:44:20,681
Speaker 3: of the above sort of attributes, but really utilizing your

946
00:44:20,721 --> 00:44:24,601
Speaker 3: common sense at all times, Yeah, because you'd you'd be gobsmacked,

947
00:44:24,881 --> 00:44:29,161
Speaker 3: like how how many people are like rigid, very very intelligent,

948
00:44:29,241 --> 00:44:32,001
Speaker 3: high IQ. But just like a basic scenario, they're like,

949
00:44:32,241 --> 00:44:33,921
Speaker 3: we can't they can't get the head around it. So

950
00:44:35,641 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. We had one example where

951
00:44:38,481 --> 00:44:40,521
Speaker 3: we had a guy he rocked up to a job

952
00:44:41,281 --> 00:44:43,761
Speaker 3: and he couldn't get his head around the fact that

953
00:44:43,841 --> 00:44:46,321
Speaker 3: the client weren't paying for his parking. We're like, don't

954
00:44:46,361 --> 00:44:49,001
Speaker 3: worry about that, just get into the hotel whatever and

955
00:44:49,041 --> 00:44:51,121
Speaker 3: we'll sort the parking that date. But no, they should

956
00:44:51,121 --> 00:44:53,601
Speaker 3: be bad. So things like that. You can never you

957
00:44:53,641 --> 00:44:56,281
Speaker 3: can never plan for someone the way someone thinks and

958
00:44:56,801 --> 00:45:00,961
Speaker 3: the kind of mindset people have in terms of what

959
00:45:01,201 --> 00:45:06,321
Speaker 3: their expectations are. So yeah, it's all of those. And yeah,

960
00:45:06,721 --> 00:45:08,841
Speaker 3: I think the show answer is common sense, but other

961
00:45:09,241 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: contributing factors as well.

962
00:45:11,441 --> 00:45:14,281
Speaker 1: You say you haven't had any dangerous situations and all

963
00:45:14,321 --> 00:45:18,201
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, But what about difficult scenarios or

964
00:45:19,001 --> 00:45:21,561
Speaker 1: have you had any difficult clients that have been awkward

965
00:45:21,641 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: to look after?

966
00:45:23,081 --> 00:45:27,041
Speaker 3: Yeah? Two specific individuals. One was a thing I don't

967
00:45:27,041 --> 00:45:29,681
Speaker 3: mind saying this. Actually. One was a singer from South America.

968
00:45:30,001 --> 00:45:31,921
Speaker 3: She's not very famous it, but very famous in the

969
00:45:32,041 --> 00:45:37,921
Speaker 3: US and South America the Americas in general. She was

970
00:45:38,121 --> 00:45:41,561
Speaker 3: just you're not going to point out, you know, I

971
00:45:41,641 --> 00:45:43,401
Speaker 3: don't think for approceed elimination. I was going to know

972
00:45:43,401 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: who she is, but she was she was just an answer.

973
00:45:45,681 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: She just the She was in London for three days

974
00:45:49,041 --> 00:45:51,561
Speaker 3: and she bought so much luggage that she had to

975
00:45:51,641 --> 00:45:53,961
Speaker 3: have a whole van bring her luggage for a free

976
00:45:54,041 --> 00:45:58,601
Speaker 3: day visit. I mean, a proper diva. We don't mind

977
00:45:58,641 --> 00:46:01,361
Speaker 3: divas women. You know, women want to look good and

978
00:46:01,401 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 3: they don't want to end women and women we love women.

979
00:46:03,841 --> 00:46:07,681
Speaker 3: But she was just like so excessive. I remember I

980
00:46:07,721 --> 00:46:10,241
Speaker 3: remember one. We were staying in you know, Park Plane,

981
00:46:10,281 --> 00:46:12,161
Speaker 3: which is where a majority of our so hotels are

982
00:46:12,161 --> 00:46:14,401
Speaker 3: a London, or at least they used to be. And

983
00:46:14,521 --> 00:46:17,201
Speaker 3: from there, Hefrow Airport is about forty five minutes if

984
00:46:17,241 --> 00:46:19,681
Speaker 3: you're lucky. She was due to fly. I don't know

985
00:46:19,761 --> 00:46:22,401
Speaker 3: three pm. You come come ten to three, she's she's

986
00:46:22,441 --> 00:46:26,081
Speaker 3: still in her room. And when I'm not exaggerating, right,

987
00:46:26,441 --> 00:46:28,601
Speaker 3: And I explained to her that when she came out,

988
00:46:28,601 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 3: I said, you know, first name, because I've been calling

989
00:46:32,481 --> 00:46:34,681
Speaker 3: her first name the whole time. Then that became inappropriate

990
00:46:34,681 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, right, I was like, okay, mom,

991
00:46:37,041 --> 00:46:38,241
Speaker 3: whatever you want me to be, I don't want to

992
00:46:38,281 --> 00:46:40,721
Speaker 3: call and she and she went, we need to go now.

993
00:46:40,761 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: I was like, you're not going to make that fly.

994
00:46:42,601 --> 00:46:44,881
Speaker 3: It's in ten minutes that you've got to get through casts.

995
00:46:44,921 --> 00:46:46,801
Speaker 3: We've got to get Like what how do you think

996
00:46:46,801 --> 00:46:50,041
Speaker 3: it was? And she went, listen you just anyway. So

997
00:46:50,121 --> 00:46:54,081
Speaker 3: what happened was the record label called me and they

998
00:46:54,121 --> 00:46:56,001
Speaker 3: said to me, what's going on? Why she late? So

999
00:46:56,401 --> 00:46:57,681
Speaker 3: this is us trying to get to the airport in

1000
00:46:57,721 --> 00:47:01,681
Speaker 3: ten minutes, right or less? And I said, well, and

1001
00:47:01,721 --> 00:47:03,281
Speaker 3: I'm trying to because I'm in the front of the car,

1002
00:47:03,321 --> 00:47:05,481
Speaker 3: so you can obviously hear me. I said, well, I

1003
00:47:05,561 --> 00:47:07,241
Speaker 3: was trying a bit late, you know, trying to people.

1004
00:47:07,681 --> 00:47:09,321
Speaker 3: And they went, what do you think we need to do?

1005
00:47:09,361 --> 00:47:11,041
Speaker 3: I said, well, I think we need to book a

1006
00:47:11,041 --> 00:47:14,201
Speaker 3: hotel or another flight, the two options. You know, what

1007
00:47:14,281 --> 00:47:16,601
Speaker 3: can you do? It's pretty basic anyway, and she went

1008
00:47:16,961 --> 00:47:20,081
Speaker 3: maybe she fucking offloaded onto me. How dare you talk

1009
00:47:20,121 --> 00:47:22,561
Speaker 3: about my business? I was like, and I told her

1010
00:47:22,641 --> 00:47:25,961
Speaker 3: it was and she went, I don't care. They she

1011
00:47:26,121 --> 00:47:27,961
Speaker 3: just went mad, mate. She was swearing at me and everything.

1012
00:47:27,961 --> 00:47:29,601
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, if this car went

1013
00:47:29,641 --> 00:47:33,161
Speaker 3: druggling so fast, I'll jump out of it. Like, honestly,

1014
00:47:33,481 --> 00:47:35,561
Speaker 3: it was so bad. It was that right, It was

1015
00:47:35,641 --> 00:47:38,361
Speaker 3: so bad. And in the end I was like miss fly.

1016
00:47:38,601 --> 00:47:42,801
Speaker 3: And the next time what she did was she got

1017
00:47:42,881 --> 00:47:44,401
Speaker 3: so annoyed by all of this she booked her own

1018
00:47:44,441 --> 00:47:46,921
Speaker 3: hotel and she told the driver to turn around. We

1019
00:47:47,041 --> 00:47:48,201
Speaker 3: have to explain so that you could do this on

1020
00:47:48,241 --> 00:47:51,081
Speaker 3: the motorway, right. I said, turn around, you turn around,

1021
00:47:51,161 --> 00:47:52,881
Speaker 3: so listen. And then I got them. I said, you're

1022
00:47:52,881 --> 00:47:55,281
Speaker 3: in the UK now, You're not in the US or

1023
00:47:55,361 --> 00:47:57,241
Speaker 3: wherever you come from, so you don't do this kind

1024
00:47:57,281 --> 00:47:58,881
Speaker 3: of thing here, right, we'll turn off the nearest exit

1025
00:47:59,241 --> 00:48:00,841
Speaker 3: and we'll go to your hotel. She booked her hotel

1026
00:48:00,841 --> 00:48:03,161
Speaker 3: self because she got so pissed off when we got there.

1027
00:48:03,641 --> 00:48:05,601
Speaker 3: She just went and didn't say by anything, obviously, and

1028
00:48:05,681 --> 00:48:07,521
Speaker 3: then I called the record episode. I don't. I don't

1029
00:48:07,521 --> 00:48:08,881
Speaker 3: think it's a good idea. I got back there tomorrow

1030
00:48:08,921 --> 00:48:12,841
Speaker 3: and they went, yeah, she's already suggested that, so they

1031
00:48:12,921 --> 00:48:15,121
Speaker 3: had said someone else with her, and they called me

1032
00:48:15,161 --> 00:48:16,921
Speaker 3: back the next day to apologize for her behavior, which

1033
00:48:16,961 --> 00:48:20,561
Speaker 3: has never happened. Never happened. So yeah, that was probably

1034
00:48:20,561 --> 00:48:23,001
Speaker 3: the worst, one of the worst ones. Another one, I've

1035
00:48:23,001 --> 00:48:26,241
Speaker 3: got me really careful because this woman's really famous. She's

1036
00:48:26,281 --> 00:48:30,761
Speaker 3: not celebrity as such, but she's high ranking individual as

1037
00:48:30,801 --> 00:48:33,721
Speaker 3: it were. And I worked with her one on what

1038
00:48:34,441 --> 00:48:36,241
Speaker 3: I'm don't have to be tread carefully. I worked with

1039
00:48:36,321 --> 00:48:39,681
Speaker 3: her one on one. She's from overseas, lived in the UK,

1040
00:48:40,641 --> 00:48:45,201
Speaker 3: and she was literally just like a proverbial princess, because

1041
00:48:45,241 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: you know, I worked at princesses and they're not either.

1042
00:48:47,601 --> 00:48:51,281
Speaker 3: She just was like spoto on a Polish I saw

1043
00:48:52,081 --> 00:48:56,441
Speaker 3: like staff Nanny's maids running out of the house crying,

1044
00:48:56,601 --> 00:48:59,241
Speaker 3: like streaming tears because of the way that she had

1045
00:48:59,281 --> 00:49:02,921
Speaker 3: spoken to them, and she'd refused to pay people. After

1046
00:49:03,081 --> 00:49:06,161
Speaker 3: like three two months working there, I didn't get paid

1047
00:49:06,161 --> 00:49:09,081
Speaker 3: for like three months. And then she tried blaming other people.

1048
00:49:09,921 --> 00:49:12,081
Speaker 3: She'd done all sorts of horrible stuff. She was just

1049
00:49:12,121 --> 00:49:14,561
Speaker 3: a terrible person. And in the end, I was just

1050
00:49:14,681 --> 00:49:15,961
Speaker 3: and it, to be honest with you, the reason I

1051
00:49:16,001 --> 00:49:17,761
Speaker 3: stuck with it so long. I stopped there for about

1052
00:49:17,761 --> 00:49:19,921
Speaker 3: three months four months, And the reason I had to

1053
00:49:20,001 --> 00:49:21,321
Speaker 3: leave in the end was because she was just doing

1054
00:49:21,441 --> 00:49:23,041
Speaker 3: reasonable things that she would say, Look, I need you

1055
00:49:23,041 --> 00:49:24,881
Speaker 3: to come on a Saturday. So I'm not I don't

1056
00:49:24,881 --> 00:49:27,681
Speaker 3: work saturdays. You know you've been offered someone to cover

1057
00:49:27,721 --> 00:49:29,681
Speaker 3: you on weekends, or we can do free on three

1058
00:49:29,761 --> 00:49:32,561
Speaker 3: days on four days off whatever, and she went and

1059
00:49:32,601 --> 00:49:34,641
Speaker 3: I'm not paying for her well, okay, because I need

1060
00:49:34,681 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 3: to come on Saturday. And in the end, like an idiot,

1061
00:49:36,521 --> 00:49:38,721
Speaker 3: I went on a Saturday and I said, look, I've

1062
00:49:38,761 --> 00:49:40,961
Speaker 3: got things I've got I'm not supposed to be I'm

1063
00:49:40,961 --> 00:49:43,161
Speaker 3: supposed to pick up my child. She goes, look, I

1064
00:49:43,281 --> 00:49:45,041
Speaker 3: just need you for two hours. I was like, I fine.

1065
00:49:46,161 --> 00:49:50,681
Speaker 3: Eighteen hours later, I'm not joking, I'm not Eighteen hours

1066
00:49:50,761 --> 00:49:52,921
Speaker 3: later she came out of this place, and I must

1067
00:49:53,041 --> 00:49:54,361
Speaker 3: look like I had a face. A bunch goes, what's

1068
00:49:54,361 --> 00:49:57,081
Speaker 3: wrong you U okay? And I was like, yeah, I'm fine.

1069
00:50:00,161 --> 00:50:01,841
Speaker 3: So then there was that I wish I could tell

1070
00:50:01,841 --> 00:50:03,521
Speaker 3: you more. Unfortunately, because of the nature of the work,

1071
00:50:03,561 --> 00:50:05,601
Speaker 3: I can't. As you know, I've had this so much.

1072
00:50:05,641 --> 00:50:10,121
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's she's very wealthy, but used that massively

1073
00:50:10,161 --> 00:50:14,561
Speaker 3: to her advantage. She wasn't the famous one. She married

1074
00:50:14,681 --> 00:50:19,361
Speaker 3: someone who was very, very high ranking. Yeah, very high

1075
00:50:19,441 --> 00:50:26,721
Speaker 3: ranking in political political Yeah. Yeah. I worked for a

1076
00:50:26,921 --> 00:50:30,361
Speaker 3: while and I'm leaving. I gave her a day's notice.

1077
00:50:31,161 --> 00:50:31,441
Speaker 3: That was it.

1078
00:50:32,361 --> 00:50:33,521
Speaker 2: You have any regrets.

1079
00:50:34,761 --> 00:50:36,961
Speaker 3: I wish I've done an operational tour of duty. Honestly,

1080
00:50:37,001 --> 00:50:39,161
Speaker 3: I wish I solved my country properly, and I didn't,

1081
00:50:39,161 --> 00:50:43,641
Speaker 3: and I regret that. Again, very conscious to all veterans

1082
00:50:44,561 --> 00:50:46,001
Speaker 3: that it's easy for me to sit and say that.

1083
00:50:46,121 --> 00:50:48,401
Speaker 3: I do genuinely think about it quite a lot all

1084
00:50:48,441 --> 00:50:50,921
Speaker 3: the time in terms of my career as a close

1085
00:50:50,961 --> 00:50:55,561
Speaker 3: protect protection officer or whatever. No, No, I think I

1086
00:50:55,681 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: was if I was lucky, I had some ups and downs.

1087
00:50:58,001 --> 00:51:00,641
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong. You learn, You have to learn.

1088
00:51:00,721 --> 00:51:03,441
Speaker 3: I think in our industry, if you don't make adjustments

1089
00:51:03,441 --> 00:51:07,441
Speaker 3: for every time you make a mistake quickly, then you're

1090
00:51:07,481 --> 00:51:10,081
Speaker 3: going to fail pretty rapidly. Because in the UK, like especially,

1091
00:51:10,841 --> 00:51:14,681
Speaker 3: it's the market is saturated. It's so I mean, I

1092
00:51:14,721 --> 00:51:16,921
Speaker 3: don't know how many license holders there are, but there's

1093
00:51:16,921 --> 00:51:19,161
Speaker 3: got to be an excess of fifteen to twenty thousand

1094
00:51:19,281 --> 00:51:22,001
Speaker 3: license holders for close protection. And the reality is there's

1095
00:51:22,081 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 3: less than two hundred and four time jobs for close

1096
00:51:24,001 --> 00:51:26,241
Speaker 3: protection in the UK, I think, and all the others

1097
00:51:26,281 --> 00:51:27,601
Speaker 3: a sort of add hoc and all the rest of it,

1098
00:51:28,041 --> 00:51:30,521
Speaker 3: and those that get to travel are either doing hostile

1099
00:51:30,601 --> 00:51:32,721
Speaker 3: environments for which you don't need the UK license anyway,

1100
00:51:33,281 --> 00:51:34,761
Speaker 3: it might help, but you don't need it. And the

1101
00:51:34,841 --> 00:51:36,321
Speaker 3: other stuff. Yeah, like I said, it's just that hot.

1102
00:51:36,401 --> 00:51:42,121
Speaker 3: So you either make everything convenient for your client or

1103
00:51:42,161 --> 00:51:47,361
Speaker 3: your clients, or you you know, oh sorry, and you

1104
00:51:47,681 --> 00:51:49,841
Speaker 3: learn from every mistake as quickly as possible. Otherwise you're

1105
00:51:49,841 --> 00:51:52,401
Speaker 3: going to set yourself up to fail. Everyone makes mistakes,

1106
00:51:52,441 --> 00:51:54,601
Speaker 3: it's just you've got fingers crossed. The cross your finger

1107
00:51:54,641 --> 00:51:57,161
Speaker 3: sorry that people recognize that everyone makes mistakes and you

1108
00:51:57,201 --> 00:51:59,921
Speaker 3: know you've learned from it and move on or not.

1109
00:52:00,241 --> 00:52:02,441
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think I have any major in

1110
00:52:02,521 --> 00:52:06,601
Speaker 3: that's in the sort of private sectic point. Thanks, no worries,

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00:52:06,601 --> 00:52:07,081
Speaker 3: many THANKSG.