Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another installment, the Bloody
Speaker 1: You Project with Tiffany and Kulkin, Jeffrey Marcus, Robert Gross.
Speaker 1: That's not really I just made it up, as I
Speaker 1: do with everyone. Before we go to the Doc, who's
Speaker 1: the clearly the brainiac of the group, we'll go to
Speaker 1: tiff who's the creative of the group. Do you like that?
Speaker 2: It was you thinking quick on your feet there.
Speaker 1: I was thinking quick. I was going to call you
Speaker 1: the new spiritually enlightened since you've come back from Nepal
Speaker 1: or India, India, India, and she's been carrying a she
Speaker 1: got a rock in India, Doc and everyone else, she
Speaker 1: got a rock that is has connected her to I
Speaker 1: don't know. Are you still carrying your rock around that you?
Speaker 1: By the way, you're not allowed to bring back organic
Speaker 1: matter from other countries, but I won't tell the government.
Speaker 3: Well, I've plasted it everywhere so everyone knows that I have. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not in this room at the moment though normally
Speaker 3: I've got it, as you know, tucked in my top.
Speaker 3: I've left it in my bedroom.
Speaker 1: You could lose your shit at every moment, at any moment,
Speaker 1: and your spiritual security blanket, the doc and I might
Speaker 1: have to treat you in real time.
Speaker 2: We at least I'm in good hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Jeff or Jeffrey, Do I call you, Jeff
Speaker 1: Or Jeffrey dock Jeff will do? Just phone doctor Jeff Gross.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the You project. This could be an experience
Speaker 1: for you. Thanks for stupidly agreeing to do it. Thank
Speaker 1: you for having me. This is awesome. Is there? Do
Speaker 1: you reckon? There's a a we'll go wherever we go.
Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting is since Tiff came back
Speaker 1: from India, if you how many weeks ago was it, Tiff?
Speaker 2: Well, I came back on the fourth of October.
Speaker 1: Okay, so a month and a bit and you had
Speaker 1: like in your I don't know, just a bit of
Speaker 1: a spiritual awakening or something. There was like an energetic
Speaker 1: shift in you, wasn't there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, something happened, Doc, don't know what to even call it,
Speaker 3: but something happened.
Speaker 1: Do you have you ever opened the door dock on?
Speaker 1: You know, like the not I guess almost like the placebo,
Speaker 1: but what we think and like I feel like with
Speaker 1: her when she carries this rock around, she's in a
Speaker 1: bit of place. I'm pretty short. I ain't about the rock,
Speaker 1: but but how she relates to the rock and the
Speaker 1: symbolism of the rock. Does the role of the mind
Speaker 1: play a big impact impact on our or have a
Speaker 1: big role in our physical health and our our ability
Speaker 1: that sty calm and heal and all that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Although you just ruined it for for your colleague,
Speaker 4: I think that the rock is part of it.
Speaker 1: You attached to it. You you you open up.
Speaker 4: The pathways in the mind that connect with the brain,
Speaker 4: that deal with so much in the body and for health.
Speaker 4: And we we call this psychosomatic medicine, not to mean
Speaker 4: that someone is you know, you know, conjuring up disease
Speaker 4: in their in their thoughts. But it's the mind. It's
Speaker 4: the mind body relationship. They are directly related by you know,
Speaker 4: nerve fibers and neurochemicals and neurotransmitters and small peptides. And
Speaker 4: we take that for granted. And you think about people
Speaker 4: that might have a sixth sense about something, or feel
Speaker 4: a change or a shift like you were talking about
Speaker 4: our closeness or a positive energy is healing. All these
Speaker 4: things are real. They're difficult to measure, and the longer
Speaker 4: I practice, the more examples of that A see around me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had a guy on a couple of times
Speaker 1: who's a genius. His name is doctor Jeffrey Redicker from
Speaker 1: Harvard Medical School, and his apart from being a psychiatrist
Speaker 1: and a medical doctor and a research his thing is
Speaker 1: place ebos and spontaneous healing and all this and talking
Speaker 1: to him about people who have recovered from and I
Speaker 1: know it's more than just place ebo mind body, you know,
Speaker 1: but people who have recovered from things fully that they
Speaker 1: should never have recovered from, and like hundreds of cases.
Speaker 1: And he's obviously he's a skeptic. Like he was, he
Speaker 1: did not want to get involved in this, and it
Speaker 1: just he kept coming across these different cases where he went,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll look into it because it makes no
Speaker 1: medical sense, it makes no logical sense. And yeah, just
Speaker 1: I still think that there's so much that we don't
Speaker 1: understand about. There's a lot we do understand, but there's
Speaker 1: still a lot that we don't understand about the way
Speaker 1: that the body can heal itself and the way that body,
Speaker 1: you know, using different modalities and methods, which we'll talk
Speaker 1: about today. And yeah, it's it's still there's probably still
Speaker 1: as much that we don't know as we do, maybe
Speaker 1: a complete agreement on my end.
Speaker 4: And that's one of the reasons that I originally went
Speaker 4: into neuroscience and neurosurgery, and because there was so much
Speaker 4: to learn that we didn't know, and I wanted to
Speaker 4: be part of that.
Speaker 1: I want to be at the tip of the spirit.
Speaker 1: What did you think you were going to be growing up?
Speaker 1: What did you when you were ten, twelve, fourteen years old?
Speaker 1: Running around? What did you want to be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was always going to be a physician, you know,
Speaker 4: a highly trained, specialized surgeon of some kind. And the
Speaker 4: neuroscience part was there and it was solid. By the
Speaker 4: time I got to medical school, I already knew it.
Speaker 4: That was just a stepping stone to where I am now.
Speaker 4: I already knew what I wanted to do.
Speaker 1: That's amazing to have such clarity uncertainty at what did
Speaker 1: you have? Anything like that? Tiff at ten twelve?
Speaker 2: Still looking for it, mate.
Speaker 1: He's still trying to find you thing. He's still trying
Speaker 1: to find your purpose.
Speaker 2: I keep asking the rock.
Speaker 1: Maybe you need to look under a bigger rock or
Speaker 1: a different rock. At when I was ten, twelve, fourteen,
Speaker 1: or when I was fourteen. All I hoped when I
Speaker 1: was a grown up was that I wouldn't be a
Speaker 1: virgin until I was forty. That was like my main ambition,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, sure, I could have had a
Speaker 1: more lofty goal. What's that going for you? It didn't work.
Speaker 1: I was forty two, But anyway, I may not close close.
Speaker 1: I was close, all right? So so you founded an
Speaker 1: organization called re Celebrate? Did I get that right? You
Speaker 1: did tell us about that, like, what do you do?
Speaker 1: What's the what's behind it?
Speaker 4: Well, Craig, I was practicing traditional neurosurgery. I'm a Spine
Speaker 4: Fellowship trained doctor. I was dealing with a lot of
Speaker 4: neck and back injuries and disc problems and and you know,
Speaker 4: pinch nerves and that kind of thing. And my patients,
Speaker 4: you know, continue to influence me and said, you know, Doc,
Speaker 4: we don't we don't want surgery yet. But all the
Speaker 4: other things we tried weren't enough. We still have issues,
Speaker 4: but we're not ready for surgery. And I said, great,
Speaker 4: because surgery should be the absolute last thing we consider.
Speaker 4: And enough of them said how about this this stem
Speaker 4: cell business? And we keep hearing about this sexy phrase
Speaker 4: stem cells.
Speaker 1: What's that all? And instead of going to the.
Speaker 4: Annual you know, bow tie wearing neurosurgery conferences where they
Speaker 4: drink the same kool aid year after year and say
Speaker 4: the same things and pat themselves on the back again,
Speaker 4: I said, you know what I'm I'm going to open
Speaker 4: my mind and get into some of these stem cell meetings.
Speaker 4: So I started retraining and re educating about six seven
Speaker 4: years ago, and I did it to help my spine patients.
Speaker 4: But it's blossomed into so much more that I have
Speaker 4: sort of a renewed energy, renewed purpose in my version
Speaker 4: two point zero of my practice, and we renamed it
Speaker 4: re Celebrate because we are celebrating the renewal of your cells.
Speaker 1: Amazing, is it? It is interesting the way that when
Speaker 1: you know I speak, I speak a bit about cults
Speaker 1: of thought, which is any group where to be in
Speaker 1: our group, you've got to think, you've got a line,
Speaker 1: you've got to conform, don't ask questions, definitely, don't agree
Speaker 1: with the protocol or the ideology or the philosophy. And
Speaker 1: if you don't agree with everything, you can't be in
Speaker 1: our group. So essentially it's a cult of thought, right,
Speaker 1: That's how you belong and it seems like me and
Speaker 1: not just with surgeons or neurosurgeons, but you know, in nutrition,
Speaker 1: in exercise, in religion, in you know, a million different things.
Speaker 1: It's like you need to part of the terms of
Speaker 1: agreement in some groups. Don't think, don't question, don't invent
Speaker 1: the wheel. We've already invented it. We know how this works.
Speaker 1: There is no new information, there is no new truth.
Speaker 1: We are the truth, right. That must have taken some
Speaker 1: courage for you to go. Listen, dudes, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to go over here and check this out. I look,
Speaker 1: I know I'm not you know, but that must have
Speaker 1: been hard for you.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I was always wanting to push the
Speaker 4: envelope on things, so it wasn't difficult for me personally.
Speaker 4: But I still see how difficult it is when I
Speaker 4: talk to colleagues from the old cult.
Speaker 1: You know, the echoed chimber of the echoed chimber of neurosurgery, all.
Speaker 4: Right, and and and how they get all scared and
Speaker 4: like you did something different.
Speaker 1: You know, I get it. There.
Speaker 4: There is the self perpetuation of the consumption of the
Speaker 4: kool aid, and it is very strong and very thick.
Speaker 1: This is a very unrelated question, not directly related anyway.
Speaker 1: I hot the baric chimber too therapy. Do you have
Speaker 1: you do you? What do you think of that?
Speaker 4: It's fantastic for for some very specific things, such as
Speaker 4: uh accelerating the healing process in someone who is maybe
Speaker 4: not able to heal as rapidly due to age or
Speaker 4: some condition. It is of course essential for someone with
Speaker 4: a decompression sickness like a scuba diving accident something like that,
Speaker 4: and then healing from wounds, healing from some kind of
Speaker 4: injury like a heart attack or a stroke. It's wonderful.
Speaker 4: It's also, interestingly help suppress cancer cell growth. Cancer cells
Speaker 4: do not like that amount of oxygen. Some people will
Speaker 4: tell you it's a great maintenance.
Speaker 1: Thing to do.
Speaker 4: I'm not a big believer in that, because the very
Speaker 4: reason that the Canyon Marathon runners come to our Colorado
Speaker 4: at the mile High to train is because they want
Speaker 4: to experience hormesis and meaning they want to experience a
Speaker 4: little stress in their cells to build resilience, and in
Speaker 4: the physical sense that can be done through hot sauna,
Speaker 4: cold plunge, high intensity interval exercise fast. All those things
Speaker 4: are healthy biohacks. Well, it turns out low oxygen, the
Speaker 4: opposite of hyperbaric oxygen, does the same thing. So I
Speaker 4: don't want my cells getting lazy. So I wouldn't go
Speaker 4: in it as a matter of routine, but I would
Speaker 4: use it strategically.
Speaker 1: I went to Speaking of Colorado, I went to Colorado
Speaker 1: a few years ago to do a gig at a
Speaker 1: place called Breckenridge. Is that right? Did I get that right?
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful mountain resort. Yeah, a resort, and I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly, but I feel like it's ten or
Speaker 1: twelve thousand feet above sea level. And this is what
Speaker 1: I did, Tiff, because I'm a genius. First day there,
Speaker 1: so I got in first day when I'm going to
Speaker 1: go for a run, Well, I went, I'm going to
Speaker 1: run a quick five case. I ran about five hundred meters.
Speaker 1: My heart nearly came out of my mouth. I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right, there's not so much oxygen up here. It
Speaker 1: was just like, I literally couldn't run one kilometer that's
Speaker 1: ero point six of a mile, Doc, I couldn't run.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with me? I'm one hundred
Speaker 1: years old, all of a sudden it is it isn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know this is an obvious thing to say,
Speaker 1: but when you actually experience it, rather than just the
Speaker 1: theory of it, you go, well, I've gone from sea
Speaker 1: level to twelve thousand feet. I don't know how much oxygen.
Speaker 1: I think there's like twenty point nine three percent or
Speaker 1: something at sea level. I don't know what there is
Speaker 1: at twelve thousand, but not that much. I can assure you.
Speaker 1: That was so different and so difficult. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know how long it takes to adapt and adjust, all right.
Speaker 1: So when you walked through the stem the stem celled
Speaker 1: door for the first time, what did you like? What
Speaker 1: surprised you? What did you learn? What did you come
Speaker 1: to understand?
Speaker 4: Well, a lot has happened in the time I jump
Speaker 4: back into this from the time I had my undergraduate years,
Speaker 4: because I did have education in that field, but I
Speaker 4: had disregarded it for so long because I was busy
Speaker 4: being a spine surgeon neurosurgeon. So coming back I noticed
Speaker 4: a lot of great work had been done. Most of
Speaker 4: that work is done in Asia and in Europe and
Speaker 4: in North America. We are behind the game. We're just
Speaker 4: playing catch up, But a lot of the protocols I
Speaker 4: follow are based on fifteen and twenty year follow up
Speaker 4: studies in Europe, for example. But China, South Korea are
Speaker 4: really their labs are really pushing the envelope. So I
Speaker 4: noticed there are a lot of applicable biotechnologies in the
Speaker 4: stem cell realm that had amazing benefits that I wish
Speaker 4: I had employed years earlier.
Speaker 1: Could you try to so for my largely non scientific audio,
Speaker 1: could you try to explain in simple terms. You know
Speaker 1: how it works, and I know it works in a
Speaker 1: multitude of ways, and there's a multitude of applications, but
Speaker 1: could you kind of craygify it for us? All right?
Speaker 4: Of course, So, so you know, stem cells are the
Speaker 4: cells from which all of our bodies cells stem. So
Speaker 4: you when you're formed, you're you're a single cell. You're
Speaker 4: you're you're an embryo, and you're a fetus inside your
Speaker 4: mother's womb. All those cells are stem cells, and they're powerful.
Speaker 4: They can divide and create organs and tissues and bones
Speaker 4: and limbs and brains and everything. When you're born, you
Speaker 4: still have stem cells, They're not quite as powerful as
Speaker 4: those that can create a limb, although I hope we
Speaker 4: figured that out some days so we could regrow a limb.
Speaker 4: But those cells are still useful in growing and developing
Speaker 4: a baby into an adult and even as an adult.
Speaker 4: We harbor stem cells within us, mostly in our bone
Speaker 4: marrow and some fat in other areas, and that those
Speaker 4: stem cells are used when called upon upon repair. For example,
Speaker 4: you hurt yourself and you need to heal a bone
Speaker 4: or heal a cut or something, or you know, liver
Speaker 4: damage and you need to replace those liver cells. Those
Speaker 4: cells come in and help stimulate the area for healing
Speaker 4: and repair. They also have maintenance functions, but as we age,
Speaker 4: those functions aren't as good. We get exposed to the world.
Speaker 4: There's all kinds of inflammation in the world. There's questionable
Speaker 4: things in our water and our food, especially here in America.
Speaker 4: There's that, you know, electromagnetic fields, all kinds of things,
Speaker 4: maybe even negative thoughts, neurostress. You have a relation here.
Speaker 4: So our stem cells get exhausted and then we develop
Speaker 4: diseases and we age rapidly, and then the end is near.
Speaker 4: So the entire field of stem cell medacine is to
Speaker 4: take advantage of what we've learned about what these cells
Speaker 4: can do for us, and employ them earlier upon need
Speaker 4: generally speaking, and.
Speaker 1: When you employ them, what does that mean? What does
Speaker 1: this get injected into my body? Do you like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? Practically? If I have stem cell therapy,
Speaker 1: what might the experience be?
Speaker 4: Well, short of stem cells, there are many things you
Speaker 4: can do in your life, in your lifestyle that can
Speaker 4: improve your stem cells. So you can eat properly and
Speaker 4: get your fruits and vegetables and sleep, have great sleep hygiene,
Speaker 4: and learn how to meditate and have mindfulness and yoga
Speaker 4: and all kinds of things that are so good for
Speaker 4: your own stem cell population. But when that's not enough,
Speaker 4: you can actually tap into whether it's your own stem
Speaker 4: cells or donated stem cells, and have them reemployed. For example,
Speaker 4: I do a lot of spine and joint work. One
Speaker 4: comes to be with a degenerated knee. For example, they
Speaker 4: have osteoarthritis of the knee. They have a bone on bone,
Speaker 4: and the orthopedic surgeon is telling them, well, the next
Speaker 4: thing on my menu would be a joint replacement. But
Speaker 4: I like to catch that patient and then we can
Speaker 4: inject under a protocol we learn from Europe stem cells
Speaker 4: or stem cell like biologics into the area surrounding the
Speaker 4: joint to help that joint repair and regenerate and heal
Speaker 4: like a younger person.
Speaker 1: If this is what I need from my left shoulder, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what I need, I'm gonna have to flow
Speaker 1: to bloody America. Yep. Oh my god, I'm not even kidddoc.
Speaker 1: My left shoulder is it is two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five years old right now. I had an accident in
Speaker 1: Jim and I it's a mess in there. But anyway,
Speaker 1: enough about my bullshit. Yeah, so what about things like
Speaker 1: I don't even know if these are dumb questions because
Speaker 1: I'm not anything like an expert in it. So if
Speaker 1: I ask a dumb question, go, that's a dumb question, right.
Speaker 1: What's the potential application for the kind of work that
Speaker 1: you do for paraplegics and quadriplegics being potentially keeled to
Speaker 1: some level like that? There must be that must be
Speaker 1: in the thinking it's coming.
Speaker 4: There's a wonderful study out of China that happened in
Speaker 4: the last year or two where they took some severe
Speaker 4: paraplegics like they had minimal function in the below. The
Speaker 4: part of the spine and they actually did a surgery,
Speaker 4: they cleaned up scar tissue and they employ did stem
Speaker 4: cells and they had some amazing results. Now that's that's
Speaker 4: a very early study and we're going to learn from that.
Speaker 4: It's not enough to go on yet, but we now
Speaker 4: have the ability to study this further. Right, that's that's
Speaker 4: enough to light the fire. So it's coming.
Speaker 1: Wow, that is I wonder what the timeline is on that.
Speaker 1: That's for a lot of people. We've got a friend
Speaker 1: of the show, Joel Sarti who comes on semi Regularly's
Speaker 1: who's a quad who fell down. So he was serving
Speaker 1: in the military, came home from Afghanistan, went to a
Speaker 1: party and a balcony broke or something. Anyway, he ended
Speaker 1: up in a wheelchair. Well at this stage for life.
Speaker 1: But when I hear news like that, I get excited
Speaker 1: for my friends who who've got spinal cord injuries and
Speaker 1: you know, even TBIs. So, could you give us again
Speaker 1: another layman kind of explanation of and I know it's
Speaker 1: not one thing, it's a few things, but regenerative medicine,
Speaker 1: what does that mean?
Speaker 4: Regenerative medicine can be used interchangeably with the phrase stem
Speaker 4: cell medicine. Regenerative medicine is based upon what we've learned
Speaker 4: from stem cells. But stem cells are not the only application.
Speaker 4: We use that phrase because people have heard of it.
Speaker 4: For example, there's something called platelet rich plasma or PRPA
Speaker 4: that's in this field. There's something else called exosomes, which
Speaker 4: are small signaling molecules from stem cells. So stem cells
Speaker 4: themselves are not the only aspect of regeneritive medicine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, why do you Why do you think that
Speaker 1: that in medicine and a lot of other fields, but
Speaker 1: we are so hesitant or a reluctant to consider new things.
Speaker 1: Is it ego? Is it? What is it when somebody goes, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I know we've been doing it this way for ninety
Speaker 1: four years. I get it. But how about this? How
Speaker 1: about is what is the what is the barrier there?
Speaker 1: Is it because it might cost big farm of money?
Speaker 1: Is it because of people's egos? Is it because people
Speaker 1: hate change? Is it? Or is it some of it
Speaker 1: or all of it?
Speaker 4: I think it's all those things. And it's the way
Speaker 4: people are, you know, hardwired. You know, the things you
Speaker 4: do often are the things you keep doing more and
Speaker 4: more and you get those neural pathways set and it's
Speaker 4: hard to break out of them. And like you said,
Speaker 4: there's that cult behavior, that thinking behavior, and you know
Speaker 4: there's that self you know, affirmation, Oh I keep doing this,
Speaker 4: this is the right thing. My friends are doing it.
Speaker 4: It's the right thing. We'll keep doing this. It's the
Speaker 4: right thing, even though there might be a better idea somewhere.
Speaker 4: So it's all those things. There are a lot of
Speaker 4: egos and medicine surgeons, you know, especially in my field.
Speaker 1: And then I think you're I think you're right. There
Speaker 1: are government and.
Speaker 4: Economic pressures, yeah, big pharma, and you know it's the
Speaker 4: tail wagging the dog, right, they need a disease so
Speaker 4: they can have a pill to fix it. So we
Speaker 4: have these new disease codes, yes, so that you can
Speaker 4: pay for a pill. And then why is healthcare so expensive?
Speaker 4: Because it's sick care. It's a game.
Speaker 1: And also I think like when when you have believed
Speaker 1: something for a long time, or when what you do
Speaker 1: and the way that you do it is intertwined with
Speaker 1: your identity, you know, so and that becomes so if
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, what I believe and
Speaker 1: what I think and my protocol and even my theology
Speaker 1: or philosophy or practice or whatever. I've been doing it
Speaker 1: this way for a very long time, and my sense
Speaker 1: of self is tied into that. Then if that's wrong,
Speaker 1: I don't know who I am, so that can't be wrong.
Speaker 1: So you're wrong and you can fuck off. Yep, do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the which probably ties into the ego, right. Your
Speaker 4: ego does not like to be questions. So if you
Speaker 4: if you create your own set of rules, there's no
Speaker 4: good way unless you're really open minded and looking at
Speaker 4: those rules and rethinking them and reevaluating them on a
Speaker 4: regular basis one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I was, I'm trying to find something now, which is
Speaker 1: a terrible thing to do in real time. I put
Speaker 1: up this thing yesday, Doc, and I said, if pill
Speaker 1: existed that can do what strength training can, it would
Speaker 1: be the biggest selling drug in the world. And I wrote,
Speaker 1: increased muscle strength and size builds strong and more resilient muscles,
Speaker 1: bone densityduice as a risk of osteoporosis and fractures. Hands
Speaker 1: has metabolic right calorie burn even at rest, promotes fat loss,
Speaker 1: helves reducing body fat, preserving muscle boost functional fitness, reduces
Speaker 1: injury risk, improves posture, enhances mental health, sports cardio Vashcaloue
Speaker 1: like this whole raft of things. That's obviously I'm an
Speaker 1: exercise physiologist, some bias, right, But if I invented a
Speaker 1: drug that can do that shit, I'd be a billionaire, right.
Speaker 1: But people are not other than people like me, are
Speaker 1: not running around promoting that because it doesn't make anyone. Well,
Speaker 1: it makes a few people a few dollars, but you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, It's like, this is not a
Speaker 1: popular message with some people. Well it's a difficult message.
Speaker 4: You know, we have a population, particularly here on this
Speaker 4: side of the globe, of people who don't want to
Speaker 4: get off the couch, so they would take your billion
Speaker 4: dollar pill. And you know, you think about if I
Speaker 4: can tap into what you said there, You're one hundred
Speaker 4: percent correct when we look at longevity, because you can't
Speaker 4: go into regenerative medicine and not be in the anti
Speaker 4: aging space, the helpful longevity. Yes, when you look at
Speaker 4: two things that we know that correlate with longevity, yep.
Speaker 4: One is muscle mass, lean muscle mass, and two in
Speaker 4: bone density. And if you're doing weight bearing exercise, you're
Speaker 4: taking care of bone. And why why is that? Because,
Speaker 4: as I said earlier, the largest store of your own
Speaker 4: stem cells, your own youth supporting particles, are in your
Speaker 4: bone marrow, and you support your bone. You're supporting your marrow,
Speaker 4: and you're supporting your stem cells. They will help keep
Speaker 4: you young, they will help prepare you. They all prevent problems.
Speaker 4: So exercise for life. Exercise stimulates the muscle mass, the
Speaker 4: biggest source of minochondria, which are kind of a cell
Speaker 4: within a cell. You got to take care of them.
Speaker 4: And use of muscles releases myo coines. Have you heard
Speaker 4: that term before? These are small peptides made by muscles
Speaker 4: that help circulate around the body. They help prevent dementia,
Speaker 4: they help stimulate hot health. There now, so that billion
Speaker 4: dollar pill is probably going to be a myokine.
Speaker 1: You're probably going to a myokine's it's and I think
Speaker 1: that apart from the fact that some people don't want
Speaker 1: you selling the exercise pill because it doesn't serve their
Speaker 1: agenda or their commercial bottom line, of course, and I
Speaker 1: understand that because that's how commerce works. But the other thing, too,
Speaker 1: is that exercises hard and pills are easy. True. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like we like the idea of change, doc, but
Speaker 1: we don't love the process, like the idea of being fit, lean, strong, functional, healthy?
Speaker 1: Love that love that. Okay, here's what you need to
Speaker 1: do to create that? Nah? Fuck that I wanted to
Speaker 1: do that. Well, well, this is this is philosophically we're
Speaker 1: talking about. Is progress efficiency? Right?
Speaker 4: We become more efficient. We have washing machines and uh,
Speaker 4: you know, computers that do our calculations, and now we
Speaker 4: have AI that can even do a lot of thinking
Speaker 4: for us. So so why not not, you know, take
Speaker 4: a pill instead of the actual exercise. And I understand
Speaker 4: that there's this mindset of progress, but we probably need
Speaker 4: to redefine that because, uh, there's no better muscular stimulation
Speaker 4: than that which comes with a neuro muscular component, meaning
Speaker 4: the brain has to send the signal to the muscle.
Speaker 4: You don't get the same kind of growth and development
Speaker 4: and maintenance of a muscle, uh without without stimulating it directly.
Speaker 1: We we seem I'm I'm generalizing here, but to me anyway,
Speaker 1: it seems like in general terms, a lot of us
Speaker 1: are more reactive rather than proactive when it comes to
Speaker 1: just anything health. You know, mental health, physical health, Like
Speaker 1: we wait till something breaks and we go, oh my god.
Speaker 1: You know, rather than saying, look, I'm thirty and I'm
Speaker 1: in relatively good shape, maybe I should get in a
Speaker 1: bit better shape and create some habits and an operating
Speaker 1: system and a protocol that's going to work. You know, food, exercise, lifestyle, sleep,
Speaker 1: all of those variables that impact the stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 1: What if I created now at thirty before it's dire straits.
Speaker 1: What if I created an operating system now that might
Speaker 1: work well into my eighties and nineties, Yeah, then you would.
Speaker 4: You would be smart to do it. You would be
Speaker 4: ahead of the curve. And we need to teach these
Speaker 4: habits to the kids like we did seventy five years ago. Right,
Speaker 4: we learned this in school. You learn to exercise and
Speaker 4: be healthy, and now you know, it's it's a very
Speaker 4: different thing, at least here in the States.
Speaker 1: So I always talk about lifelong learning, and you seem
Speaker 1: to be a lifelong learnable. You are a lifelong learner.
Speaker 1: So what are you learning at the moment and what's
Speaker 1: exciting you at the moment, like what has your attention?
Speaker 4: So these two things sort of overlap it's what's excites me,
Speaker 4: and what I'm learning about is how we can use
Speaker 4: select aspects of regenitive medicine to improve our immune system
Speaker 4: to fight cancer. And wouldn't that be wonderful to have
Speaker 4: these natural biological approaches to cancer as opposed to chemotherapies
Speaker 4: and radiations and other harmful approaches, notwithstanding the idea that
Speaker 4: some of those work right now and it's the state
Speaker 4: of the art, yes, it could be better options.
Speaker 1: And where is the profession at or the research at
Speaker 1: in terms of that becoming more of a curiosity or
Speaker 1: a thing that we're interested into that maybe being it
Speaker 1: out in some way or you know, practically adapted and adopted.
Speaker 4: Well, like any things, you have early adopters, and we'd
Speaker 4: like to call ourselves biohackers who try things. And when
Speaker 4: you have cancer or a loved one has cancer, you
Speaker 4: know you're you're open minded, you're willing to try things, right,
Speaker 4: it's called compassionate use. So as we're able to get
Speaker 4: our hands on some of these selective regeneritive biologics, we are,
Speaker 4: there are already people trying these out on one off situations,
Speaker 4: so there there aren't really good controlled studies yet but
Speaker 4: you know, like anything, it's got to start with an
Speaker 4: observation here and there before a study is born. So
Speaker 4: I think we're within a few years of seeing some
Speaker 4: of these. We already have some aspects of it. There's
Speaker 4: something called car T cell c r SHT, which is
Speaker 4: a mechanism of using the immune system to enhance it
Speaker 4: to go after cancer. But I think it's going to
Speaker 4: get easier and better.
Speaker 1: Is there a country, doctor Jeff, that is kind of
Speaker 1: at the forefront. Is there one country in the world that's,
Speaker 1: for one of a better term, the most open minded? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I call China open minded as
Speaker 1: a country, right right, but they certainly.
Speaker 4: Blaze the trail in trying things, and all the early
Speaker 4: work of something usually comes out of China.
Speaker 1: Interesting if we were looking at like overall health outcomes
Speaker 1: for you know, the general population. And again this is
Speaker 1: I've asked this to a few people, and it's just
Speaker 1: a guesstimate. I don't expect, you know, anything necessarily research base.
Speaker 1: But how much do you think it's about what I
Speaker 1: was born with, my genetics, and how much is about
Speaker 1: my you know, my lifestyle choices, habits, behaviors, you know,
Speaker 1: self regulation, food, all that. What do you think the
Speaker 1: ratio is all the percentages?
Speaker 4: Well, had you asked me this ten or more years ago,
Speaker 4: I would have said mostly the genetic component, mostly what
Speaker 4: you were born with nature. But I think we've learned
Speaker 4: through a lot of the biological age clocks, the you know,
Speaker 4: horrvouth work, the epigenetic work. It's lifestyle choices. Nurture has
Speaker 4: a bigger component in how our health is and how
Speaker 4: our longevity, our healthy longevity goes.
Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know if it's just that
Speaker 1: I'm paying more attention or it's getting more airtime. But
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, which was two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirteen years ago, like there was not obviously there wasn't
Speaker 1: the same level of discussion around mental health that there
Speaker 1: is now, which of there should be, But it seems
Speaker 1: like eight out of ten people have in inverted commas
Speaker 1: have anxiety, right, and just I'm interested in like the relationship,
Speaker 1: but like because anxiety has an impact on our physiology, right,
Speaker 1: and you know everything from heart rate and blood pressure
Speaker 1: and endocrime system and nervous system and all of that.
Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about your thinking around
Speaker 1: anxiety and the impact on health. And I don't know
Speaker 1: what we might because I would say if twenty thousand
Speaker 1: people listen to this today, eight ten thousand of them
Speaker 1: deal with anxiety, if not regularly, then semi regularly. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts around that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think and even some of those that aren't
Speaker 4: dealing with it often may have a subclinical variety, meaning
Speaker 4: they don't feel the symptoms of it, but they're having
Speaker 4: elevated cortisol levels, which is the stress hormone. Uh, there is,
Speaker 4: you know, the brain is current, is constantly stimulated.
Speaker 1: There is.
Speaker 4: You've got smartphones with so much data flashed in front
Speaker 4: of you. Uh, a lot of this data is lit up,
Speaker 4: it's in it's in bright lights and in screens like
Speaker 4: we're using right now to have this broadcast. Yes, and
Speaker 4: it's it's you know, our nervous system was was made
Speaker 4: for you know, light and dark cycle sun and you
Speaker 4: know daytime, night time, and the cortisol is supposed to
Speaker 4: shut off when the when the sun goes down, and uh,
Speaker 4: we're supposed to get restorative sleep. Most people with a
Speaker 4: level of anxiety from all the stress during the day
Speaker 4: and not just like stress from work and family, but
Speaker 4: just the the bombardment of neural stimulus, you lie, uh
Speaker 4: cause us to be unable to settle down and get
Speaker 4: into that mindful, meditative, uh deep relaxed date to get
Speaker 4: good sleep hygiene. So our sleep is not as good.
Speaker 4: So I think anxiety is a product of the mass
Speaker 4: of information, the speed of information, and the format in
Speaker 4: which it's coming. And the one simple thing people can
Speaker 4: do is just shut it off when the sun goes down.
Speaker 4: You know, you can read a book, you can talk,
Speaker 4: you can listen to music, but don't you know, turn
Speaker 4: off the computers, the smartphones, the screens.
Speaker 1: And I'm guilty of it too, Craig, I'll admit it
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm on my phone sometimes. But we need
Speaker 4: to really really relax, and that doesn't mean continue to
Speaker 4: stimulate our nervous system when we're trying to relax.
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about how we live now with all of
Speaker 1: the resources and tools and tech and you know, like
Speaker 1: hop a vigilance around bloody, you know, all of these,
Speaker 1: as you said, these inbound stimuli. And if I don't know,
Speaker 1: we've been around three hundred thousand years or something as
Speaker 1: a species, depending on what you believe. But for nearly
Speaker 1: all of that. We didn't have the stuff that we
Speaker 1: currently have, like for ninety nine point nine percent of
Speaker 1: mankind's journey, human kind's journey, like, we didn't have all
Speaker 1: the shit that we have now that can create all
Speaker 1: of these problems. And you know, but and now we're
Speaker 1: having children born into a world where they've never known
Speaker 1: anything else. Like they're literally handed an iPhone or a
Speaker 1: tablet at twelve months and they're learning to navigate technology
Speaker 1: at one year old or eighteen months old. Because it
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not a parent, so there's no
Speaker 1: judgment here, but it's almost like the impromptu babysitter. And
Speaker 1: I understand that there's no judgment in that, but it's like,
Speaker 1: you think the world is the world is not what
Speaker 1: it once was. It's so different. And I know that's
Speaker 1: an obvious thing to say, but it's been an exponential
Speaker 1: kind of change, hasn't it agree completely?
Speaker 4: You know, you go back one hundred, one hundred fifty
Speaker 4: years and we didn't have anything, right, We didn't have electricity,
Speaker 4: So we sat on campfire or your stove or your fireplace,
Speaker 4: and you went to bed and you rested, you really rested.
Speaker 4: You didn't have much to worry about it.
Speaker 1: And you think about that one hundred and fifty years
Speaker 1: ago version of us, the thousand year ago version of
Speaker 1: US was kind of not that different, and the two
Speaker 1: thousand year ago version not that different, you know. One
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years ago, like you said, no electricity,
Speaker 1: virtually none of the drugs we currently have, no motor vehicles,
Speaker 1: no planes, no technology as such, you know. And then
Speaker 1: in the last one hundred and fifty years or thereabouts,
Speaker 1: the world has changed more than in the three hundred
Speaker 1: thousand years before by a thousand, you know. And then
Speaker 1: and our body wasn't built for and didn't evolve for
Speaker 1: what it's currently in the middle of.
Speaker 4: Right, So while we have improvements in health technology like
Speaker 4: antibiotics and things that have have helped, you know, increase
Speaker 4: our lifespan. Yes, now we're fighting up against the ceiling
Speaker 4: because we have this alternative pressure of the stress and
Speaker 4: the inflammation and the damage happening to the brain and body.
Speaker 4: And that's why we're sort of static with a lot
Speaker 4: of our life expectancies now.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, one of the things that I do doc
Speaker 1: with people that I coach, So I just finished doing
Speaker 1: a ten week mentoring program with a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: and I do a fair bit of one on one stuff.
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I recommend, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just a thought, it's just a recommendation, it's not
Speaker 1: a prescription. But I recommend people spend three days a
Speaker 1: year by themselves, three days a year by themselves, no phone,
Speaker 1: no technology, no TV, no media, no social media, and
Speaker 1: if possible, no other humans. Right. I did this for
Speaker 1: ten days when I was having a bit of a
Speaker 1: midlife not or an early midlife crisis, when I was
Speaker 1: in my early thirties and I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out essentially what I wanted the rest of my life
Speaker 1: to be. Like, I had all these businesses, I had
Speaker 1: five different businesses. I was doing well. I was commercially
Speaker 1: and professionally doing well. But in the middle of all
Speaker 1: that doing well, I was a physical, mental, emotional, spiritual
Speaker 1: train wreck. And I'm like, how come from the outside
Speaker 1: looking in, my life is amazing, but the inside out
Speaker 1: experience is fucking horrible. Right, And so I thought I
Speaker 1: need to And it wasn't that I was doing anything
Speaker 1: bad or like my situation was actually amazing. I was blessed,
Speaker 1: but in the middle of that situation. It wasn't working,
Speaker 1: and I went away and I spent ten days by myself.
Speaker 1: And anyway, for me, that ten days was a revelation
Speaker 1: and the beginning of something of a revolution in my
Speaker 1: own life. Right, it's just because I got to know
Speaker 1: me a little bit, and I was so I had
Speaker 1: so many issues. I still do, but so much insecurity,
Speaker 1: so much bullshit, so much not dealing with reality so
Speaker 1: much and pushing things down, you know. And So I
Speaker 1: was talking to a friend of mine a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago and I told him about the three day thing.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm going to do it, And he came
Speaker 1: home the first night he said, I can't. I couldn't cope,
Speaker 1: Like he couldn't cope for one day with like he
Speaker 1: was just in nature, right. He went to camp. He
Speaker 1: was going to camp three days, and he came home.
Speaker 1: He came home at like midnight on the first day.
Speaker 1: He said, I couldn't. He said, I was crying. I
Speaker 1: don't even know why I'm crying. I said, I that's
Speaker 1: exactly what I did. When I did my ten day
Speaker 1: one first day or two or three. There was so
Speaker 1: much shit coming up because I was so used to
Speaker 1: being distracted and busy and having my head and not
Speaker 1: even letting myself feel whatever was going on, good, bad
Speaker 1: or indifferent. You know. So I don't know why I'm
Speaker 1: telling you all this, but I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: we used to be nature like we used to go.
Speaker 1: Now we go. I'm going to go, and I love
Speaker 1: it when I'm in nature, Whereas once upon a time
Speaker 1: we were nature like we were part it was, we
Speaker 1: were just part of a system of nature. And now
Speaker 1: we're just in this fucking alternate reality and we need
Speaker 1: to drive to wherever to go sit by a tree.
Speaker 4: It I imagine being like New York City, you have
Speaker 4: to go to the park. It's the only place, right,
Speaker 4: It's You're absolutely right. If you really want to overcome
Speaker 4: anxiety and depression, you learn to be lonely, learn to
Speaker 4: be with yourself and your thoughts and that.
Speaker 1: It's a key. And you know, we need to impart
Speaker 1: that upon our children.
Speaker 4: And and and and not to be dependent because when
Speaker 4: you when you that dependency is not there for a minute,
Speaker 4: your anxiety peaks, your depression peaks, and it is challenging.
Speaker 1: I believe wholeheartedly what you're saying. Yeah, if I think
Speaker 1: you need to tell the doc about your twelve minute
Speaker 1: MRI and how you had ants in your pants this
Speaker 1: morning and you couldn't you couldn't call on tell him
Speaker 1: what you.
Speaker 3: Had mountain in there. It's no mountain when you're not
Speaker 3: you know, when you're not allowed to move part of
Speaker 3: your body and then all of your body goes, you
Speaker 3: have to move that part of your body. It was
Speaker 3: just twelve minutes of absolute torture. I had to pretend
Speaker 3: for as long as I could that it was my
Speaker 3: feet that I couldn't move, so that the focus was
Speaker 3: on my feet, so that if I was doing micro movements,
Speaker 3: it was going to be my feet, not my neck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and my eyes are tough, but an amazing technology.
Speaker 4: What we can see with that, you know, is well
Speaker 4: well beyond our time that that was a technology, probably
Speaker 4: before it's time.
Speaker 1: We're going to wind up, doc. But is there anything
Speaker 1: that we can learn from ancient wisdom? Listen to your grandmothers.
Speaker 1: If your grandmother said eat fruits and vegetables, she was right.
Speaker 1: If your grandmother said get a full night sleep, she
Speaker 1: was right. If she said, you know.
Speaker 4: All kinds of different you know, old grandmother wisdom, she
Speaker 4: was right all those things stimulate your health, your stem cells,
Speaker 4: and what happens in most cultures when you're sick, they
Speaker 4: make your chicken soup, right, yes, because the chicken soup
Speaker 4: is made from chicken stock, chicken bone marrow, chicken bones,
Speaker 4: and those bones release the stem cells and the stem
Speaker 4: cell exosomes to make you healthy. And think about some
Speaker 4: some other health aspects of stem cells.
Speaker 1: You can get.
Speaker 4: You can get bone broth, which is very healthy. You
Speaker 4: can eat bone marrow, which has themselves, and I mean
Speaker 4: there are so many ways that that we've known. I mean,
Speaker 4: even other species eat bone marrow, right see yeah, yeah, yep,
Speaker 4: they know it's healthy. They've figured it out somehow. So
Speaker 4: we're just now learning that again through the science side.
Speaker 4: So we can make it sound like we're smart, but
Speaker 4: it's nothing that new.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's almost like we come full circle
Speaker 1: and like twenty twenty four, we think we're so smart,
Speaker 1: We've got so much science, so much tech, so many tools,
Speaker 1: so much research, and then from a health point of view,
Speaker 1: we've never been worse. Fuck, We've never been less. We
Speaker 1: got more shit, more knowledge, more tools, more gurus. We've
Speaker 1: never been more fucked as a species really struthfully.
Speaker 4: So the solution is to get up and move. Exercise
Speaker 4: is the is the billion dollar p You can save
Speaker 4: yourself a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: So you're absolute right, doc. Before we let you go,
Speaker 1: do you want to point our listeners towards anything any
Speaker 1: any of your work, any of your products or services
Speaker 1: or website? How do they do that? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I'm not much of a salesman, but if anyone out
Speaker 4: there has some kind of issue or problem or they
Speaker 4: want to, you know, see if regenitive medicine is an
Speaker 4: option for them, separate from something traditional, just to talk
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Speaker 1: Just but turn your phones off at dark. Yeah, good idea, Doug,
Speaker 1: Can I ask a rude question? How old are you?
Speaker 1: Fifty nine? Hey? You look good, dude, whatever you're doing,
Speaker 1: but everyone he looks good. It's fucking annoying how good
Speaker 1: he looks. He looks like forty five. And customer too.
Speaker 1: I've used these things myself, so yeah, yeah, I look
Speaker 1: like I look like an old leather boot. He looks
Speaker 1: like a brand new added as Rome. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be good. We'll say goodbye, our fair doc,
Speaker 1: but we appreciate you for the moment. Thanks for being
Speaker 1: on the You project. Thank you for having me