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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another installment, the Bloody

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Speaker 1: You Project with Tiffany and Kulkin, Jeffrey Marcus, Robert Gross.

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Speaker 1: That's not really I just made it up, as I

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Speaker 1: do with everyone. Before we go to the Doc, who's

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Speaker 1: the clearly the brainiac of the group, we'll go to

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Speaker 1: tiff who's the creative of the group. Do you like that?

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Speaker 2: It was you thinking quick on your feet there.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking quick. I was going to call you

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Speaker 1: the new spiritually enlightened since you've come back from Nepal

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Speaker 1: or India, India, India, and she's been carrying a she

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Speaker 1: got a rock in India, Doc and everyone else, she

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Speaker 1: got a rock that is has connected her to I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Are you still carrying your rock around that you?

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Speaker 1: By the way, you're not allowed to bring back organic

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Speaker 1: matter from other countries, but I won't tell the government.

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Speaker 3: Well, I've plasted it everywhere so everyone knows that I have. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's not in this room at the moment though normally

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Speaker 3: I've got it, as you know, tucked in my top.

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Speaker 3: I've left it in my bedroom.

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Speaker 1: You could lose your shit at every moment, at any moment,

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Speaker 1: and your spiritual security blanket, the doc and I might

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Speaker 1: have to treat you in real time.

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Speaker 2: We at least I'm in good hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Jeff or Jeffrey, Do I call you, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Or Jeffrey dock Jeff will do? Just phone doctor Jeff Gross.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the You project. This could be an experience

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Speaker 1: for you. Thanks for stupidly agreeing to do it. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me. This is awesome. Is there? Do

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Speaker 1: you reckon? There's a a we'll go wherever we go.

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Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting is since Tiff came back

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Speaker 1: from India, if you how many weeks ago was it, Tiff?

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Speaker 2: Well, I came back on the fourth of October.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so a month and a bit and you had

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Speaker 1: like in your I don't know, just a bit of

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Speaker 1: a spiritual awakening or something. There was like an energetic

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Speaker 3: Yeah, something happened, Doc, don't know what to even call it,

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Speaker 1: Do you have you ever opened the door dock on?

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Speaker 1: You know, like the not I guess almost like the placebo,

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Speaker 1: but what we think and like I feel like with

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Speaker 1: her when she carries this rock around, she's in a

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Speaker 1: bit of place. I'm pretty short. I ain't about the rock,

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Speaker 1: but but how she relates to the rock and the

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Speaker 1: symbolism of the rock. Does the role of the mind

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Speaker 1: play a big impact impact on our or have a

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Speaker 1: big role in our physical health and our our ability

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Speaker 1: that sty calm and heal and all that. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Although you just ruined it for for your colleague,

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Speaker 4: I think that the rock is part of it.

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Speaker 1: You attached to it. You you you open up.

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Speaker 4: The pathways in the mind that connect with the brain,

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Speaker 4: that deal with so much in the body and for health.

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Speaker 4: And we we call this psychosomatic medicine, not to mean

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Speaker 4: that someone is you know, you know, conjuring up disease

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Speaker 4: in their in their thoughts. But it's the mind. It's

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Speaker 4: the mind body relationship. They are directly related by you know,

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Speaker 4: our closeness or a positive energy is healing. All these

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Speaker 4: I practice, the more examples of that A see around me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had a guy on a couple of times

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Speaker 1: who's a genius. His name is doctor Jeffrey Redicker from

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Speaker 1: And he's obviously he's a skeptic. Like he was, he

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Speaker 4: And that's one of the reasons that I originally went

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Speaker 1: I want to be at the tip of the spirit.

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Speaker 1: What did you think you were going to be growing up?

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Speaker 1: What did you when you were ten, twelve, fourteen years old?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was always going to be a physician, you know,

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Speaker 4: neuroscience part was there and it was solid. By the

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Speaker 4: time I got to medical school, I already knew it.

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Speaker 4: That was just a stepping stone to where I am now.

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Speaker 4: I already knew what I wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing to have such clarity uncertainty at what did

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Speaker 2: Still looking for it, mate.

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Speaker 1: He's still trying to find you thing. He's still trying

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Speaker 1: to find your purpose.

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Speaker 2: I keep asking the rock.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you need to look under a bigger rock or

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Speaker 1: a different rock. At when I was ten, twelve, fourteen,

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Speaker 1: I was close, all right? So so you founded an

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Speaker 1: organization called re Celebrate? Did I get that right? You

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Speaker 1: did tell us about that, like, what do you do?

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Speaker 1: What's the what's behind it?

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Speaker 4: Well, Craig, I was practicing traditional neurosurgery. I'm a Spine

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Speaker 1: What's that all? And instead of going to the.

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Speaker 4: Annual you know, bow tie wearing neurosurgery conferences where they

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Speaker 4: I said, you know what I'm I'm going to open

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Speaker 4: So I started retraining and re educating about six seven

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Speaker 4: But it's blossomed into so much more that I have

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Speaker 4: re Celebrate because we are celebrating the renewal of your cells.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, is it? It is interesting the way that when

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Speaker 1: you know I speak, I speak a bit about cults

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Speaker 1: That's how you belong and it seems like me and

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Speaker 1: There is no new information, there is no new truth.

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Speaker 1: We are the truth, right. That must have taken some

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Speaker 1: I know I'm not you know, but that must have

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I was always wanting to push the

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Speaker 4: But I still see how difficult it is when I

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Speaker 1: You know, the echoed chimber of the echoed chimber of neurosurgery, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, and and and how they get all scared and

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Speaker 1: You know, I get it. There.

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Speaker 4: There is the self perpetuation of the consumption of the

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Speaker 1: I hot the baric chimber too therapy. Do you have

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Speaker 4: It's fantastic for for some very specific things, such as

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Speaker 4: It's also, interestingly help suppress cancer cell growth. Cancer cells

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Speaker 4: I'm not a big believer in that, because the very

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Speaker 4: the physical sense that can be done through hot sauna,

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Speaker 1: I went to Speaking of Colorado, I went to Colorado

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Speaker 1: can't remember exactly, but I feel like it's ten or

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Speaker 1: I did, Tiff, because I'm a genius. First day there,

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Speaker 1: My heart nearly came out of my mouth. I'm like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you young, they will help prepare you. They all prevent problems.

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Speaker 4: So exercise for life. Exercise stimulates the muscle mass, the

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Speaker 4: biggest source of minochondria, which are kind of a cell

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Speaker 4: within a cell. You got to take care of them.

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Speaker 4: And use of muscles releases myo coines. Have you heard

435
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Speaker 4: that term before? These are small peptides made by muscles

436
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Speaker 4: that help circulate around the body. They help prevent dementia,

437
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 4: they help stimulate hot health. There now, so that billion

438
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Speaker 4: dollar pill is probably going to be a myokine.

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Speaker 1: You're probably going to a myokine's it's and I think

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Speaker 1: that apart from the fact that some people don't want

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Speaker 1: you selling the exercise pill because it doesn't serve their

442
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Speaker 1: agenda or their commercial bottom line, of course, and I

443
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Speaker 1: understand that because that's how commerce works. But the other thing, too,

444
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Speaker 1: is that exercises hard and pills are easy. True. You know,

445
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Speaker 1: it's like we like the idea of change, doc, but

446
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: we don't love the process, like the idea of being fit, lean, strong, functional, healthy?

447
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: Love that love that. Okay, here's what you need to

448
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Speaker 1: do to create that? Nah? Fuck that I wanted to

449
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: do that. Well, well, this is this is philosophically we're

450
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: talking about. Is progress efficiency? Right?

451
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Speaker 4: We become more efficient. We have washing machines and uh,

452
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Speaker 4: you know, computers that do our calculations, and now we

453
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Speaker 4: have AI that can even do a lot of thinking

454
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Speaker 4: for us. So so why not not, you know, take

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Speaker 4: a pill instead of the actual exercise. And I understand

456
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: that there's this mindset of progress, but we probably need

457
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 4: to redefine that because, uh, there's no better muscular stimulation

458
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: than that which comes with a neuro muscular component, meaning

459
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Speaker 4: the brain has to send the signal to the muscle.

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Speaker 4: You don't get the same kind of growth and development

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Speaker 4: and maintenance of a muscle, uh without without stimulating it directly.

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Speaker 1: We we seem I'm I'm generalizing here, but to me anyway,

463
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Speaker 1: it seems like in general terms, a lot of us

464
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Speaker 1: are more reactive rather than proactive when it comes to

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Speaker 1: just anything health. You know, mental health, physical health, Like

466
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Speaker 1: we wait till something breaks and we go, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: You know, rather than saying, look, I'm thirty and I'm

468
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Speaker 1: in relatively good shape, maybe I should get in a

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Speaker 1: bit better shape and create some habits and an operating

470
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Speaker 1: system and a protocol that's going to work. You know, food, exercise, lifestyle, sleep,

471
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Speaker 1: all of those variables that impact the stuff we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: What if I created now at thirty before it's dire straits.

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Speaker 1: What if I created an operating system now that might

474
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Speaker 1: work well into my eighties and nineties, Yeah, then you would.

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Speaker 4: You would be smart to do it. You would be

476
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Speaker 4: ahead of the curve. And we need to teach these

477
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Speaker 4: habits to the kids like we did seventy five years ago. Right,

478
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: we learned this in school. You learn to exercise and

479
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Speaker 4: be healthy, and now you know, it's it's a very

480
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Speaker 4: different thing, at least here in the States.

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Speaker 1: So I always talk about lifelong learning, and you seem

482
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Speaker 1: to be a lifelong learnable. You are a lifelong learner.

483
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Speaker 1: So what are you learning at the moment and what's

484
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Speaker 1: exciting you at the moment, like what has your attention?

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Speaker 4: So these two things sort of overlap it's what's excites me,

486
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Speaker 4: and what I'm learning about is how we can use

487
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Speaker 4: select aspects of regenitive medicine to improve our immune system

488
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Speaker 4: to fight cancer. And wouldn't that be wonderful to have

489
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Speaker 4: these natural biological approaches to cancer as opposed to chemotherapies

490
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Speaker 4: and radiations and other harmful approaches, notwithstanding the idea that

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Speaker 4: some of those work right now and it's the state

492
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Speaker 4: of the art, yes, it could be better options.

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Speaker 1: And where is the profession at or the research at

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Speaker 1: in terms of that becoming more of a curiosity or

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Speaker 1: a thing that we're interested into that maybe being it

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Speaker 1: out in some way or you know, practically adapted and adopted.

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Speaker 4: Well, like any things, you have early adopters, and we'd

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Speaker 4: like to call ourselves biohackers who try things. And when

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Speaker 4: you have cancer or a loved one has cancer, you

500
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Speaker 4: know you're you're open minded, you're willing to try things, right,

501
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Speaker 4: it's called compassionate use. So as we're able to get

502
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Speaker 4: our hands on some of these selective regeneritive biologics, we are,

503
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Speaker 4: there are already people trying these out on one off situations,

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Speaker 4: so there there aren't really good controlled studies yet but

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Speaker 4: you know, like anything, it's got to start with an

506
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Speaker 4: observation here and there before a study is born. So

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Speaker 4: I think we're within a few years of seeing some

508
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Speaker 4: of these. We already have some aspects of it. There's

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Speaker 4: something called car T cell c r SHT, which is

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Speaker 4: a mechanism of using the immune system to enhance it

511
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Speaker 4: to go after cancer. But I think it's going to

512
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Speaker 4: get easier and better.

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Speaker 1: Is there a country, doctor Jeff, that is kind of

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Speaker 1: at the forefront. Is there one country in the world that's,

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Speaker 1: for one of a better term, the most open minded? Well,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that I call China open minded as

517
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Speaker 1: a country, right right, but they certainly.

518
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Speaker 4: Blaze the trail in trying things, and all the early

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Speaker 4: work of something usually comes out of China.

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Speaker 1: Interesting if we were looking at like overall health outcomes

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Speaker 1: for you know, the general population. And again this is

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Speaker 1: I've asked this to a few people, and it's just

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Speaker 1: a guesstimate. I don't expect, you know, anything necessarily research base.

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Speaker 1: But how much do you think it's about what I

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Speaker 1: was born with, my genetics, and how much is about

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Speaker 1: my you know, my lifestyle choices, habits, behaviors, you know,

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Speaker 1: self regulation, food, all that. What do you think the

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Speaker 1: ratio is all the percentages?

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Speaker 4: Well, had you asked me this ten or more years ago,

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Speaker 4: I would have said mostly the genetic component, mostly what

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Speaker 4: you were born with nature. But I think we've learned

532
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Speaker 4: through a lot of the biological age clocks, the you know,

533
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Speaker 4: horrvouth work, the epigenetic work. It's lifestyle choices. Nurture has

534
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Speaker 4: a bigger component in how our health is and how

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Speaker 4: our longevity, our healthy longevity goes.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know if it's just that

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Speaker 1: I'm paying more attention or it's getting more airtime. But

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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, which was two hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirteen years ago, like there was not obviously there wasn't

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Speaker 1: the same level of discussion around mental health that there

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Speaker 1: is now, which of there should be, But it seems

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Speaker 1: like eight out of ten people have in inverted commas

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Speaker 1: have anxiety, right, and just I'm interested in like the relationship,

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Speaker 1: but like because anxiety has an impact on our physiology, right,

545
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Speaker 1: and you know everything from heart rate and blood pressure

546
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Speaker 1: and endocrime system and nervous system and all of that.

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Speaker 1: Talk to us a little bit about your thinking around

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Speaker 1: anxiety and the impact on health. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: what we might because I would say if twenty thousand

550
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Speaker 1: people listen to this today, eight ten thousand of them

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Speaker 1: deal with anxiety, if not regularly, then semi regularly. What

552
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts around that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think and even some of those that aren't

554
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Speaker 4: dealing with it often may have a subclinical variety, meaning

555
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Speaker 4: they don't feel the symptoms of it, but they're having

556
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Speaker 4: elevated cortisol levels, which is the stress hormone. Uh, there is,

557
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Speaker 4: you know, the brain is current, is constantly stimulated.

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Speaker 1: There is.

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Speaker 4: You've got smartphones with so much data flashed in front

560
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Speaker 4: of you. Uh, a lot of this data is lit up,

561
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Speaker 4: it's in it's in bright lights and in screens like

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Speaker 4: we're using right now to have this broadcast. Yes, and

563
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Speaker 4: it's it's you know, our nervous system was was made

564
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Speaker 4: for you know, light and dark cycle sun and you

565
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Speaker 4: know daytime, night time, and the cortisol is supposed to

566
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Speaker 4: shut off when the when the sun goes down, and uh,

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Speaker 4: we're supposed to get restorative sleep. Most people with a

568
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Speaker 4: level of anxiety from all the stress during the day

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Speaker 4: and not just like stress from work and family, but

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Speaker 4: just the the bombardment of neural stimulus, you lie, uh

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Speaker 4: cause us to be unable to settle down and get

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Speaker 4: into that mindful, meditative, uh deep relaxed date to get

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Speaker 4: good sleep hygiene. So our sleep is not as good.

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Speaker 4: So I think anxiety is a product of the mass

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Speaker 4: of information, the speed of information, and the format in

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Speaker 4: which it's coming. And the one simple thing people can

577
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Speaker 4: do is just shut it off when the sun goes down.

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00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 4: You know, you can read a book, you can talk,

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Speaker 4: you can listen to music, but don't you know, turn

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Speaker 4: off the computers, the smartphones, the screens.

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Speaker 1: And I'm guilty of it too, Craig, I'll admit it

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Speaker 1: right here.

583
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm on my phone sometimes. But we need

584
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Speaker 4: to really really relax, and that doesn't mean continue to

585
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Speaker 4: stimulate our nervous system when we're trying to relax.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, think about how we live now with all of

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Speaker 1: the resources and tools and tech and you know, like

588
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Speaker 1: hop a vigilance around bloody, you know, all of these,

589
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Speaker 1: as you said, these inbound stimuli. And if I don't know,

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Speaker 1: we've been around three hundred thousand years or something as

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Speaker 1: a species, depending on what you believe. But for nearly

592
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Speaker 1: all of that. We didn't have the stuff that we

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Speaker 1: currently have, like for ninety nine point nine percent of

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Speaker 1: mankind's journey, human kind's journey, like, we didn't have all

595
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Speaker 1: the shit that we have now that can create all

596
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Speaker 1: of these problems. And you know, but and now we're

597
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Speaker 1: having children born into a world where they've never known

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Speaker 1: anything else. Like they're literally handed an iPhone or a

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Speaker 1: tablet at twelve months and they're learning to navigate technology

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Speaker 1: at one year old or eighteen months old. Because it

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm not a parent, so there's no

602
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Speaker 1: judgment here, but it's almost like the impromptu babysitter. And

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Speaker 1: I understand that there's no judgment in that, but it's like,

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Speaker 1: you think the world is the world is not what

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Speaker 1: it once was. It's so different. And I know that's

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Speaker 1: an obvious thing to say, but it's been an exponential

607
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Speaker 1: kind of change, hasn't it agree completely?

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Speaker 4: You know, you go back one hundred, one hundred fifty

609
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Speaker 4: years and we didn't have anything, right, We didn't have electricity,

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Speaker 4: So we sat on campfire or your stove or your fireplace,

611
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Speaker 4: and you went to bed and you rested, you really rested.

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Speaker 4: You didn't have much to worry about it.

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Speaker 1: And you think about that one hundred and fifty years

614
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Speaker 1: ago version of us, the thousand year ago version of

615
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: US was kind of not that different, and the two

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Speaker 1: thousand year ago version not that different, you know. One

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00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years ago, like you said, no electricity,

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Speaker 1: virtually none of the drugs we currently have, no motor vehicles,

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Speaker 1: no planes, no technology as such, you know. And then

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Speaker 1: in the last one hundred and fifty years or thereabouts,

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Speaker 1: the world has changed more than in the three hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand years before by a thousand, you know. And then

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Speaker 1: and our body wasn't built for and didn't evolve for

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Speaker 1: what it's currently in the middle of.

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Speaker 4: Right, So while we have improvements in health technology like

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Speaker 4: antibiotics and things that have have helped, you know, increase

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00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: our lifespan. Yes, now we're fighting up against the ceiling

628
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Speaker 4: because we have this alternative pressure of the stress and

629
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Speaker 4: the inflammation and the damage happening to the brain and body.

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Speaker 4: And that's why we're sort of static with a lot

631
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Speaker 4: of our life expectancies now.

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Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, one of the things that I do doc

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Speaker 1: with people that I coach, So I just finished doing

634
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Speaker 1: a ten week mentoring program with a bunch of people,

635
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Speaker 1: and I do a fair bit of one on one stuff.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that I recommend, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's just a thought, it's just a recommendation, it's not

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00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: a prescription. But I recommend people spend three days a

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Speaker 1: year by themselves, three days a year by themselves, no phone,

640
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: no technology, no TV, no media, no social media, and

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00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: if possible, no other humans. Right. I did this for

642
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Speaker 1: ten days when I was having a bit of a

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Speaker 1: midlife not or an early midlife crisis, when I was

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Speaker 1: in my early thirties and I was trying to figure

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Speaker 1: out essentially what I wanted the rest of my life

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Speaker 1: to be. Like, I had all these businesses, I had

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Speaker 1: five different businesses. I was doing well. I was commercially

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Speaker 1: and professionally doing well. But in the middle of all

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Speaker 1: that doing well, I was a physical, mental, emotional, spiritual

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Speaker 1: train wreck. And I'm like, how come from the outside

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Speaker 1: looking in, my life is amazing, but the inside out

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Speaker 1: experience is fucking horrible. Right, And so I thought I

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Speaker 1: need to And it wasn't that I was doing anything

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Speaker 1: bad or like my situation was actually amazing. I was blessed,

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Speaker 1: but in the middle of that situation. It wasn't working,

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Speaker 1: and I went away and I spent ten days by myself.

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Speaker 1: And anyway, for me, that ten days was a revelation

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Speaker 1: and the beginning of something of a revolution in my

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Speaker 1: own life. Right, it's just because I got to know

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Speaker 1: me a little bit, and I was so I had

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Speaker 1: so many issues. I still do, but so much insecurity,

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Speaker 1: so much bullshit, so much not dealing with reality so

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Speaker 1: much and pushing things down, you know. And So I

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Speaker 1: was talking to a friend of mine a couple of

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Speaker 1: months ago and I told him about the three day thing.

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Speaker 1: He goes, I'm going to do it, And he came

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Speaker 1: home the first night he said, I can't. I couldn't cope,

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Speaker 1: Like he couldn't cope for one day with like he

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Speaker 1: was just in nature, right. He went to camp. He

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Speaker 1: was going to camp three days, and he came home.

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Speaker 1: He came home at like midnight on the first day.

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Speaker 1: He said, I couldn't. He said, I was crying. I

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Speaker 1: don't even know why I'm crying. I said, I that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what I did. When I did my ten day

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Speaker 1: one first day or two or three. There was so

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Speaker 1: much shit coming up because I was so used to

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Speaker 1: being distracted and busy and having my head and not

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Speaker 1: even letting myself feel whatever was going on, good, bad

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Speaker 1: or indifferent. You know. So I don't know why I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you all this, but I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 1: we used to be nature like we used to go.

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Speaker 1: Now we go. I'm going to go, and I love

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Speaker 1: it when I'm in nature, Whereas once upon a time

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Speaker 1: we were nature like we were part it was, we

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Speaker 1: were just part of a system of nature. And now

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Speaker 1: we're just in this fucking alternate reality and we need

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Speaker 1: to drive to wherever to go sit by a tree.

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Speaker 4: It I imagine being like New York City, you have

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Speaker 4: to go to the park. It's the only place, right,

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Speaker 4: It's You're absolutely right. If you really want to overcome

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Speaker 4: anxiety and depression, you learn to be lonely, learn to

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Speaker 4: be with yourself and your thoughts and that.

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Speaker 1: It's a key. And you know, we need to impart

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Speaker 1: that upon our children.

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Speaker 4: And and and and not to be dependent because when

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Speaker 4: you when you that dependency is not there for a minute,

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Speaker 4: your anxiety peaks, your depression peaks, and it is challenging.

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Speaker 1: I believe wholeheartedly what you're saying. Yeah, if I think

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Speaker 1: you need to tell the doc about your twelve minute

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Speaker 1: MRI and how you had ants in your pants this

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Speaker 1: morning and you couldn't you couldn't call on tell him

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Speaker 1: what you.

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Speaker 3: Had mountain in there. It's no mountain when you're not

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Speaker 3: you know, when you're not allowed to move part of

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Speaker 3: your body and then all of your body goes, you

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Speaker 3: have to move that part of your body. It was

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Speaker 3: just twelve minutes of absolute torture. I had to pretend

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Speaker 3: for as long as I could that it was my

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Speaker 3: feet that I couldn't move, so that the focus was

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Speaker 3: on my feet, so that if I was doing micro movements,

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Speaker 3: it was going to be my feet, not my neck.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and my eyes are tough, but an amazing technology.

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Speaker 4: What we can see with that, you know, is well

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Speaker 4: well beyond our time that that was a technology, probably

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Speaker 4: before it's time.

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Speaker 1: We're going to wind up, doc. But is there anything

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Speaker 1: that we can learn from ancient wisdom? Listen to your grandmothers.

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Speaker 1: If your grandmother said eat fruits and vegetables, she was right.

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Speaker 1: If your grandmother said get a full night sleep, she

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Speaker 1: was right. If she said, you know.

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Speaker 4: All kinds of different you know, old grandmother wisdom, she

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Speaker 4: was right all those things stimulate your health, your stem cells,

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Speaker 4: and what happens in most cultures when you're sick, they

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Speaker 4: make your chicken soup, right, yes, because the chicken soup

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Speaker 4: is made from chicken stock, chicken bone marrow, chicken bones,

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Speaker 4: and those bones release the stem cells and the stem

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Speaker 4: cell exosomes to make you healthy. And think about some

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Speaker 4: some other health aspects of stem cells.

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Speaker 1: You can get.

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Speaker 4: You can get bone broth, which is very healthy. You

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Speaker 4: can eat bone marrow, which has themselves, and I mean

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Speaker 4: there are so many ways that that we've known. I mean,

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Speaker 4: even other species eat bone marrow, right see yeah, yeah, yep,

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Speaker 4: they know it's healthy. They've figured it out somehow. So

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Speaker 4: we're just now learning that again through the science side.

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Speaker 4: So we can make it sound like we're smart, but

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Speaker 4: it's nothing that new.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's almost like we come full circle

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Speaker 1: and like twenty twenty four, we think we're so smart,

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Speaker 1: We've got so much science, so much tech, so many tools,

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Speaker 1: so much research, and then from a health point of view,

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Speaker 1: we've never been worse. Fuck, We've never been less. We

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Speaker 1: got more shit, more knowledge, more tools, more gurus. We've

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Speaker 1: never been more fucked as a species really struthfully.

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Speaker 4: So the solution is to get up and move. Exercise

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Speaker 4: is the is the billion dollar p You can save

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Speaker 4: yourself a billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: So you're absolute right, doc. Before we let you go,

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Speaker 1: do you want to point our listeners towards anything any

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Speaker 1: any of your work, any of your products or services

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Speaker 1: or website? How do they do that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I'm not much of a salesman, but if anyone out

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Speaker 4: there has some kind of issue or problem or they

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Speaker 4: want to, you know, see if regenitive medicine is an

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Speaker 4: option for them, separate from something traditional, just to talk

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Speaker 4: about it. I'm your guy. Go to re clebrate dot

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Speaker 4: com and reach out to us. We're on the Instagram,

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Speaker 4: LinkedIn Facebook, all the fun stuff the kids are on.

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Speaker 1: Just but turn your phones off at dark. Yeah, good idea, Doug,

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Speaker 1: Can I ask a rude question? How old are you?

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Speaker 1: Fifty nine? Hey? You look good, dude, whatever you're doing,

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Speaker 1: but everyone he looks good. It's fucking annoying how good

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Speaker 1: he looks. He looks like forty five. And customer too.

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Speaker 1: I've used these things myself, so yeah, yeah, I look

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Speaker 1: like I look like an old leather boot. He looks

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Speaker 1: like a brand new added as Rome. You know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Come visit us in here in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA.

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Speaker 4: We'll take care of your shoulder and we'll get you

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Speaker 4: fixed up like a brand new Italian leather shoe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be good. We'll say goodbye, our fair doc,

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Speaker 1: but we appreciate you for the moment. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: on the You project. Thank you for having me