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Speaker 1: I get a team. Welcome to another installment, the Bloody

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Speaker 1: You Project with Tiffany and Kulkin, Jeffrey Marcus, Robert Gross.

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Speaker 1: That's not really I just made it up, as I

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Speaker 1: do with everyone. Before we go to the doc, who's

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Speaker 1: the clearly the brainiac of the group, we'll go to

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Speaker 1: tiff who's the creative of the group. Do you like that?

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Speaker 2: It was you thinking quick on your feet there.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking quick. I was going to call you

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Speaker 1: the new spiritually enlightened since you've come back from Nepal

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Speaker 1: or India, India, India, and she's been carrying a she

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Speaker 1: got a rock in India dock and everyone else she

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Speaker 1: got a rock that is has connected her to I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Are you still carrying your rock around that

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Speaker 1: you By the way, you're not allowed to bring back

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Speaker 1: organic matter from other countries, but I won't tell the government.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've plasted it everywhere so everyone knows that I have. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not in this room at the moment though normally

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Speaker 2: I've got it, you know, tucked in my top. I've

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Speaker 2: left it in my bedroom.

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Speaker 1: You could lose your shit at every moment, at any moment,

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Speaker 1: and your spiritual security blanket, the doc and I might

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Speaker 1: have to treat you in real time.

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Speaker 2: Well at least I'm in good hands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Jeff or Jeffrey, Do I call you, Jeff

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Speaker 1: Or Jeffrey dock Jeff will do? Just phone doctor Jeff Gross.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the You project. This could be an experience

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Speaker 1: for you. Thanks for stupidly agreeing to do it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. This is awesome. Is there?

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon? There's a a we'll go wherever we go.

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Speaker 1: But you know what's interesting is since Tiff came back

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Speaker 1: from India, if you how many weeks ago was it, Tiff?

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Speaker 2: Well, I came back on the fourth of October.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so a month and a bit and you had

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Speaker 1: like in your I don't know, just a bit of

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Speaker 1: a spiritual awakening or something. There was like an energetic

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something happened. Don't know what to even call it,

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Speaker 1: Do you have you ever opened the door dock on?

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Speaker 1: You know, like the not I guess almost like the placebo,

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Speaker 1: but what we think and like I feel like with

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Speaker 1: her when she carries this rock around, she's in a

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Speaker 1: bit of place. I'm pretty short ain't about the rock,

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Speaker 1: but but how she relates to the rock and the

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Speaker 1: symbolism of the rock. Does the role of the mind

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Speaker 1: play a big impact impact on our or have a

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Speaker 1: big role in our physical health and our our ability

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Speaker 1: that sty calm and heal and all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Although you just ruined it for for your colleague,

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Speaker 3: I think that the rock is part of it. You

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Speaker 3: in the mind that connect with the brain, that deal

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Speaker 3: with so much in the body and for health. And

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Speaker 3: we we call this psychosomatic medicine, not to mean that

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Speaker 3: someone is you know, you know, conjuring up disease in

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Speaker 3: their in their thoughts. But it's the mind. It's the

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Speaker 3: mind body relationship. They are directly related by you know,

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Speaker 3: nerve fibers and neurochemicals and neurotransmitters and small peptides. And

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Speaker 3: our closeness or a positive energy is healing. All these

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Speaker 3: I practice, the more examples of that a see around me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've had a guy on a couple of times

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Speaker 1: who's a genius. His name is doctor Jeffrey Redicker from

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Speaker 1: And he's he's obviously he's a skeptic. Like he was,

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Speaker 3: A complete agreement on my end. And that's one of

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Speaker 1: What did you think you were going to be growing up?

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Speaker 1: What did you when you were ten, twelve, fourteen years old?

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Speaker 3: That was just a stepping stone to where I am now.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing to have such clarity uncertainty at what did

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Speaker 2: Still looking for it? Mate?

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Speaker 1: I think, are you're still trying to find you thing?

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Speaker 1: You're still trying to find your purpose?

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Speaker 3: I keep asking the rock.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you need to look under a bigger rock or

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Speaker 1: a different rock. At my when I was ten, twelve, fourteen,

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Speaker 1: And it didn't work. I was forty two, But anyway,

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Speaker 1: So so you founded an organization called re Celebrate? Did

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Speaker 3: Well, Craig, I was practicing traditional neurosurgery. I'm a Spine

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Speaker 3: I said, you know what I'm I'm going to open

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Speaker 3: So I started retraining and re educating about six seven

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Speaker 3: But it's blossomed into so much more that I have

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Speaker 3: re Celebrate because we are celebrating the renewal of your cells.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, is it? It is interesting the way that when

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Speaker 1: you know I speak, I speak a bit about cults

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Speaker 1: There is no new information, there is no new truth.

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Speaker 1: We are the truth, right. That must have taken some

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Speaker 1: I know I'm not you know, but that must have

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I was always wanting to push the

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Speaker 3: But I still see how difficult it is when I

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Speaker 1: The echoed chimber of the echoed chimber of neurosurgery.

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Speaker 3: All right, and and and how they get all scared

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Speaker 3: and like you did something different, you know, I get it.

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Speaker 1: I hyperbaric chimber too therapy. Do you have you? Do you?

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Speaker 3: It's fantastic for for some very specific things, such as

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Speaker 3: physical sense that can be done through hot sauna, cold plunge,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a resort, and I can't remember exactly, but I

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Speaker 1: And this is what I did tiff because I'm a genius.

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Speaker 1: First day there, so I got in first day when

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Speaker 3: They all prevent problems. So exercise for life. Exercise stimulates

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Speaker 3: the muscle mass, the biggest source of minochondria, which are

433
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Speaker 3: kind of a cell within a cell. You got to

434
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Speaker 3: take care of them. And use of muscles releases myo coines.

435
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Speaker 3: Have you heard that term before? These are small peptides

436
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Speaker 3: made by muscles that help circulate around the body. They

437
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 3: help prevent dementia, they help stimulate hot health. There now,

438
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 3: so that billion dollar pill is probably going to be

439
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Speaker 3: a myokine. You're probably going to do a myokine now.

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Speaker 1: It's it's and I think that apart from the fact

441
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Speaker 1: that some people don't want you selling the exercise pill

442
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Speaker 1: because it doesn't serve their agenda or their commercial bottom line,

443
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: of course, and I understand that because that's how commerce works.

444
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Speaker 1: But The other thing too, is that exercises hard and

445
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Speaker 1: pills are easy.

446
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Speaker 3: True.

447
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like we like the idea of change, doc,

448
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: but we don't love the process, like the idea of

449
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: being fit, lean, strong, functional, healthy? Love that love that. Okay,

450
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: here's what you need to do to create that?

451
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 3: Nah?

452
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Speaker 1: Fuck that I wanted to do that?

453
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Speaker 3: Well, well, this is this is philosophically we're talking about.

454
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: Is progress efficiency?

455
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Speaker 2: Right?

456
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 3: We become more efficient. We have washing machines and uh,

457
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 3: you know, computers that do our calculations, and now we

458
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 3: have AI that can even do a lot of thinking

459
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Speaker 3: for us. So so why not not, you know, take

460
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Speaker 3: a pill instead of the actual exercise. And I understand

461
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: that there's this mindset of progress, but we probably need

462
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Speaker 3: to redefine that because, uh, there's no better muscular stimulation

463
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Speaker 3: than that which comes within neuro muscular component, meaning the

464
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Speaker 3: brain has to send the signal to the muscle. You

465
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Speaker 3: don't get the same kind of growth and development and

466
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Speaker 3: maintenance of a muscle, uh without without stimulating it directly.

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Speaker 1: We we seem I'm I'm generalizing here, but to me anyway,

468
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Speaker 1: it seems like in general terms, a lot of us

469
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Speaker 1: are more reactive rather than proactive when it comes to

470
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Speaker 1: just anything health, you know, mental health, physical health. Like

471
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: we wait till something breaks and we go, oh my god,

472
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Speaker 1: you know, rather than saying, look, I'm thirty and I'm

473
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Speaker 1: in relatively good shape, maybe I should get in a

474
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Speaker 1: bit better shape and create some habits and an operating

475
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: system and a protocol that's going to work. You know, food, exercise, lifestyle, sleep,

476
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: all of those variables that impact the stuff we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: What if I created now at thirty before it's dire straits.

478
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Speaker 1: What if I created an operating system now that might

479
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Speaker 1: work well into my eighties and nineties, Yeah, then you would.

480
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Speaker 3: You would be smart to do it. You would be

481
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Speaker 3: ahead of the curve. And we need to teach these

482
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Speaker 3: habits to the kids like we did seventy five years ago. Right,

483
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: we learned this in school. You learn to exercise and

484
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Speaker 3: be healthy, and now you know, it's it's a very

485
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Speaker 3: different thing, at least here in the States.

486
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Speaker 1: So I always talk about lifelong learning, and you seem

487
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Speaker 1: to be a lifelong learnable. You are a lifelong learner.

488
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Speaker 1: So what are you learning at the moment and what's

489
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Speaker 1: exciting you at the moment? Like, what has your attention?

490
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: So these two things sort of overlap. It's what's excites

491
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Speaker 3: me and what I'm learning about is how we can

492
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Speaker 3: use select aspects of regeneritive medicine to improve our immune

493
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Speaker 3: system to fight cancer. And wouldn't that be wonderful to

494
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Speaker 3: have these natural biological approaches to cancer as opposed to

495
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Speaker 3: chemotherapies and radiations and other harmful approaches, notwithstanding the idea

496
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Speaker 3: that some of those work right now and it's the

497
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Speaker 3: state of the art, yes, it could be better options.

498
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Speaker 1: And where is the profession at or the research at

499
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Speaker 1: in terms of that becoming more of a curiosity or

500
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Speaker 1: a thing that we're interested into that maybe being you know,

501
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Speaker 1: we out in some way or you know, practically adapted

502
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Speaker 1: and adopted.

503
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Speaker 3: Well, like any things, you have early adopters, And we'd

504
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Speaker 3: like to call ourselves biohackers who try things. And when

505
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Speaker 3: you have cancer or a loved one has cancer, you

506
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 3: know you're you're open minded, you're willing to try things, right,

507
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Speaker 3: it's called compassionate use. So as we're able to get

508
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Speaker 3: our hands on some of these selective regenitive biologics, we

509
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Speaker 3: are there are already people trying these out on one

510
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Speaker 3: off situations, So there there aren't really good controlled studies yet.

511
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Speaker 3: But you know, like anything, it's got to start with

512
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Speaker 3: an observation here and there before a study is born.

513
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Speaker 3: So I think we're within a few years of seeing

514
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Speaker 3: some of these. We already have some aspects of it.

515
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Speaker 3: There's something called car T cell c r SHT, which

516
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Speaker 3: is a mechanism of using the immune system to enhance

517
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Speaker 3: it to go after cancer. But I think it's going

518
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Speaker 3: to get easier and better.

519
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Speaker 1: Is there a country, doctor Jeff, that is kind of

520
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Speaker 1: at the forefront. Is there one country in the world that's,

521
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Speaker 1: for one of a better term, the most open minded?

522
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that I call China open minded.

523
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Speaker 1: As a country, right right, but they.

524
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Speaker 3: Certainly blaze the trail in trying things, and all the

525
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Speaker 3: early work of something usually comes out of China.

526
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Speaker 1: Interesting if we were looking at like overall health outcomes

527
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Speaker 1: for you know, the general population. And again this is

528
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Speaker 1: I've asked this to a few people, and it's just

529
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Speaker 1: a guesstimate. I don't expect you know, anything necessarily research base,

530
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Speaker 1: But how much do you think it's about what I

531
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Speaker 1: was born with, my genetics? And how much is about

532
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Speaker 1: my you know, my lifestyle choices, habits, behaviors, you know,

533
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Speaker 1: self regulation, food, all that. What do you think the

534
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Speaker 1: ratio is all the percentages?

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Speaker 3: Well, had you asked me this ten or more years ago,

536
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Speaker 3: I would have said mostly the genetic component, mostly what

537
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Speaker 3: you were born with. Yes, nature, But I think we've

538
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: learned through a lot of the biological age clocks, the

539
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: you know horrorvauth work, the epigenetic work. It's lifestyle choices.

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00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: Nurture has a bigger component in how our health is

541
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Speaker 3: and how our longevity, our healthy longevity goes.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, I don't know if it's just that

543
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Speaker 1: I'm paying more attention or it's getting more airtime. But

544
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, which was two hundred and

545
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Speaker 1: thirteen years ago, like there was not obviously there wasn't

546
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Speaker 1: the same level of discussion around mental health that there

547
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Speaker 1: is now, which of there should be. But it seems

548
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Speaker 1: like eight out of ten people have in inverted commas

549
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: have anxiety, right, and just I'm interested in like the relationship,

550
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: but like because anxiety has an impact on our physiology, right,

551
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: and you know everything from you know, heart rate and

552
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Speaker 1: blood pressure and endocrime system and nervous system and all

553
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Speaker 1: of that. Talk to us a little bit about your

554
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Speaker 1: thinking around anxiety and the impact on health. And I

555
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Speaker 1: don't know what we might because I would say, if

556
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Speaker 1: twenty thousand people listen to this today, eight ten thousand

557
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Speaker 1: of them deal with anxiety, if not regularly, then semi regularly.

558
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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts around that?

559
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think and even some of those that aren't

560
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Speaker 3: dealing with it often may have a subclinical variety, meaning

561
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: they don't feel the symptoms of it, but they're having

562
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: elevated cortisol levels, which is the stress hormone. Uh. There is,

563
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Speaker 3: you know, the brain is current, is constantly stimulated. There is.

564
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Speaker 3: You've got smartphones with so much data flashed in front

565
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Speaker 3: of you. Uh, a lot of this data is lit up,

566
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Speaker 3: it's in it's in bright lights and in screens like

567
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Speaker 3: we're using right now to have this broadcast. Yes, and

568
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Speaker 3: it's it's you know, our nervous system was was made

569
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Speaker 3: for you know, light and dark cycle sun and you know, daytime,

570
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Speaker 3: night time, and the the cortisol is supposed to shut

571
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Speaker 3: off when the when the sun goes down, and uh,

572
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 3: we're supposed to get restorative sleep. Most people with a

573
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Speaker 3: level of anxiety from all the stress during the day,

574
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Speaker 3: and not just like stress from work and family, but

575
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Speaker 3: just the the bombardment of neural stimulus in your eye,

576
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Speaker 3: Uh cause us to be unable to settle down and

577
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Speaker 3: get into that mindful, meditative, uh deep relaxed date to

578
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 3: get good sleep hygiene. So our sleep is not as good.

579
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Speaker 3: So I think anxiety is a product of the mass

580
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Speaker 3: of information, the speed of information, and the format in

581
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 3: which it's coming. And the one simple thing people can

582
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 3: do is just shut it off when the sun goes down.

583
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 3: You know, you can read a book, you can talk,

584
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 3: you can listen to music, but don't you know, turn

585
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: off the computers, the smartphones, the screens. And I'm guilty

586
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 3: of it too, Craig, I'll admit it right here. You know,

587
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: I'm on my phone sometimes. But we need to really,

588
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: really relax. And that doesn't mean continue to stimulate our

589
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 3: nervous system when we're trying to relax.

590
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Speaker 1: Yeah, think about how we live now with all of

591
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Speaker 1: the racesources and tools and tech and you know, like

592
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Speaker 1: hop a vigilance around bloody, you know, all of these,

593
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: as you said, these inbound stimuli. And if I don't

594
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 1: know we've been around three hundred thousand years or something

595
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: as a species, depending on what you believe. But for

596
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Speaker 1: nearly all of that, we didn't have the stuff that

597
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: we currently have, Like for ninety nine point nine percent

598
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Speaker 1: of mankind's journey, human kind's journey, like, we didn't have

599
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Speaker 1: all the shit that we have now that can create

600
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: all of these problems. And you know, but and now

601
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Speaker 1: we're having children born into a world where they've never

602
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Speaker 1: known anything else, Like they're literally handed an iPhone or

603
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: a tablet at twelve months and they're learning to navigate

604
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: technology at one year old or eighteen months old because

605
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Speaker 1: it you know, and I'm not a parent, so there's

606
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: no judgment here, but it's almost like the impromptu babysitter.

607
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: And I understand that there's no judgment than that, but

608
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: it's like, you think the world is the world is

609
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: not what it once was. It's so different. And I

610
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: know that's an obvious thing to say, but it's been

611
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: an exponential kind of change, hasn't.

612
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 3: It agree completely? You know, you go back one hundred,

613
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Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty years and we didn't have anything, right,

614
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 3: We didn't have electricity, so we sat on the campfire

615
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: or your stove or your fireplace, and you went to

616
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Speaker 3: bed and you rested, you really rested. You didn't have

617
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Speaker 3: much to worry about it.

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Speaker 1: And you think about that one hundred and fifty years

619
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Speaker 1: ago version of us, the thousand year ago version of

620
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Speaker 1: us was kind of not that different, and the two

621
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Speaker 1: thousand year ago version not that different, you know. One

622
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years ago, like you said, no electricity,

623
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Speaker 1: virtually none of the drugs we currently have, no motor vehicles,

624
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: no planes, no technology as such, you know. And then

625
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Speaker 1: in the last one hundred and fifty years or thereabouts,

626
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: the world has changed more than in the three hundred

627
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: thousand years before by a thousand, you know. And then

628
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: and our body wasn't built for and didn't evolve for

629
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Speaker 1: what it's currently in the middle of.

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Speaker 3: Right. So, while we have improvements in health technology like

631
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: antibiotics and things that have have helped, you know, increase

632
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 3: our lifespan, Yes, now we're fighting up against the ceiling

633
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: because we have this alternative pressure of the stress and

634
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 3: the inflammation and the damage happening to the brain and body.

635
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 3: And that's why we're sort of static with a lot

636
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Speaker 3: of our life expectancies.

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Speaker 1: Now, yes, yeah. One of the things that I do

638
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Speaker 1: doc with people that I coach. So I just finished

639
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: doing a ten week mentoring program with a bunch of people,

640
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: and I do a fair bit of one on one stuff.

641
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: But one of the things that I recommend, you know,

642
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: it's just a thought, it's just a recommendation, it's not

643
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: a prescription. But I recommend people spend three days a

644
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: year by themselves, three days a year by themselves, no phone,

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Speaker 1: no technology, no TV, no media, no social media, and

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Speaker 1: if possible, no other humans.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I did this for ten days when I was having

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Speaker 1: a bit of a midlife not or an early midlife crisis,

650
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Speaker 1: when I was in my early thirties and I was

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out essentially what I wanted the rest

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Speaker 1: of my life to be. Like, I had all these businesses,

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Speaker 1: I had five different businesses. I was doing well. I

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Speaker 1: was commercially and professionally doing well. But in the middle

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Speaker 1: of all that doing well, I was a physical, mental, emotional,

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Speaker 1: spiritual train wreck. And I'm like, how come from the

657
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Speaker 1: outside looking in my life is amazing, but the inside

658
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Speaker 1: out experience is fucking horrible. Right, And so I thought,

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Speaker 1: I need to and it wasn't that I was doing

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Speaker 1: anything bad or like my situation was actually amazing. I

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Speaker 1: was blessed. But in the middle of that situation, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't working. And I went away and I spent ten

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Speaker 1: days by myself. And anyway, for me, that ten days

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Speaker 1: was a revelation and the beginning of something of a

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Speaker 1: revolution in my own life. Right, it's just because I

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Speaker 1: got to know me a little bit, and I was

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Speaker 1: so I had so many issues. I still do, but

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Speaker 1: so much insecurity, so much bullshit, so much not dealing

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Speaker 1: with reality so much and pushing things down, you know.

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Speaker 1: And So I was talking to a friend of mine

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Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, and I told him about

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Speaker 1: the three day thing. He goes, I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 1: And he came home the first night he said, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't cope. Like he couldn't cope for one day

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Speaker 1: with like he was just in nature. Right, he went

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Speaker 1: to camp. He was going to camp three days, and

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Speaker 1: he came home. He came home at like midnight on

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Speaker 1: the first day. He said, I couldn't. He said, I

679
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Speaker 1: was crying. I don't even know why I'm crying. I said,

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Speaker 1: I that's exactly what I did when I did my

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Speaker 1: ten day one, first day or two or three. There

682
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Speaker 1: was so much shit coming up because I was so

683
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Speaker 1: used to being distracted and busy and having my head

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Speaker 1: and not even letting myself feel whatever was going on, good, bad,

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Speaker 1: or indifferent. You know. So I don't know why I'm

686
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Speaker 1: telling you all this, but I feel like, you know,

687
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: we used to be nature like we used to go.

688
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: Now we go. I'm going to go, and I love

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Speaker 1: it when I'm in nature, Whereas once upon a time

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Speaker 1: we were nature like we were part it was, we

691
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: were just part of a system of nature. And now

692
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: we're just in this fucking alternate reality and we need

693
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: to drive to wherever to go sit by a tree.

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Speaker 3: It's I imagine being like New York City. You have

695
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 3: to go to the park. It's the only place, right,

696
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: It's You're absolutely right. If you really want to overcome

697
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: anxiety and depression, you learn to be lonely, learn to

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00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: be with yourself and your thoughts, and that it's a key.

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00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 3: And you know, we need to impart that upon our children.

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Speaker 4: And and and and not to be dependent because when

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00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: you when you that dependency is not there for a minute,

702
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 4: your anxiety peaks, your depression peaks, and it is challenging.

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Speaker 3: I believe wholeheartedly what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I think you need to tell the doc

705
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Speaker 1: about your twelve minute MRI and how you had antswer

706
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: in your pants this morning, and and you couldn't, you

707
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Speaker 1: couldn't call tell him what.

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Speaker 2: You had done, mountain in there. It's no mountain when

709
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: you're not you know, when you're not allowed to move

710
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: part of your body, and then all of your body goes,

711
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: you have to move that part of your body. It

712
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: was just twelve minutes of absolute torture. I had to

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Speaker 2: pretend for as long as I could that it was

714
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Speaker 2: my feet that I couldn't move, so that the focus

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Speaker 2: was on my feet, so that if I was doing

716
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Speaker 2: micro movements, it was going to be my feet, not

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Speaker 2: my neck.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and my eyes are tough, but amazing technology. What

719
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 3: we can see with that, you know, is well well

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Speaker 3: beyond our time that that was a technology, probably before

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Speaker 3: it's time.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna wind up, doc, But is there anything that

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Speaker 1: we can learn from ancient wisdom?

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Speaker 3: From listen to your grandmothers. If your grandmother said eat

725
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 3: fruits and vegetables, she was right. If your grandmother said

726
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 3: get a full night's sleep, she was right. If she said,

727
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: you know all kinds of different you know, old grandmother wisdom,

728
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: she was right. All those things stimulate your health, your

729
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 3: stem cells, and what happens in most cultures when you're sick,

730
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 3: they make your chicken soup, right, yes, because the chicken

731
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Speaker 3: soup is made from chicken stock, chicken bone marrow, chicken bones,

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Speaker 3: and those bones released the stem cells and the stem

733
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Speaker 3: cell exosomes to make you healthy. And think about some

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Speaker 3: some other health aspects of stem cells you can get.

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Speaker 3: You can get bone broth, which is very healthy. You

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Speaker 3: can eat bone marrow, which has themselves, and I mean

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Speaker 3: there are so many ways that that we've known. I mean,

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Speaker 3: even other species eat bone marrow, right see yeah, yeah, yep,

739
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Speaker 3: they know it's healthy. They've figured it out somehow. So

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Speaker 3: we're just now learning that again through the science side.

741
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Speaker 3: So we can make it sound like we're smart, but

742
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Speaker 3: it's nothing that new.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's almost like we come full circle

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00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: and like twenty twenty four, we think we're so smart,

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00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: We've got so much science, so much tech, so many tools,

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Speaker 1: so much research, and then from a health point of view,

747
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Speaker 1: We've never been worse. Fuck, we've never been less. We

748
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Speaker 1: got more shit, more knowledge, more tools, more gurus. We've

749
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: never been more fucked as a species, really, struthfully.

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Speaker 3: So the solution is to get up and move exercises.

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Speaker 3: The is the billion dollar PI. You can save yourself

752
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: a billion dollars. So you're absolutely right, Doc.

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Speaker 1: Before we let you go, do you want to point

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Speaker 1: our listeners towards anything any any of your work, any

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00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: of your products or services or website? How do they

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Speaker 1: do that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm not much of a salesman, but if anyone

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Speaker 3: out there has some kind of issue or problem or

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00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 3: they want to, you know, see if regenerative medicine is

760
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: an option for them, separate from something traditional, just to

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Speaker 3: talk about it. I'm your guy. Go to re celebrate

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Speaker 3: dot com and reach out to us. We're on the Instagram,

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Speaker 3: LinkedIn Facebook, all the fun stuff the kids are on.

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Speaker 3: Just but turn your phones off at dark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good idea, Doug. Can I ask a rude question?

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Speaker 1: How old are you?

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Speaker 3: Fifty nine?

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Speaker 1: Hey? You look good, dude, whatever you're doing that everyone

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Speaker 1: he looks good. It's fucking annoying how good he looks?

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Speaker 1: He looks like forty five.

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Speaker 3: And customer too. I've used these things myself.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I look like I look like an

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Speaker 1: old leather boot. He looks like a brand new added

774
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Speaker 1: as Rome. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Come visit us here in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA. We'll

776
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Speaker 3: take care of your shoulder and we'll get you fixed

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Speaker 3: up like a brand new Italian leather shoe.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that would be good. We'll say goodbye a fair doc,

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Speaker 1: but we appreciate you for the moment. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: on the You project.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me