WEBVTT - Sharri | 24 July

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<v Speaker 1>Why On Sky News, This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening and tonight We're hours away from Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 2>addressing the world for the first time since quitting the

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<v Speaker 2>presidential race. But today all eyes were on Kamala Harris

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<v Speaker 2>and the question many are asking, can she beat Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 2>And what would she be like as Madam President. The

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<v Speaker 2>media and political elite who lied about Biden's mental decline

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<v Speaker 2>are now presenting Kamala Harris as the messiah. The deliberate

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<v Speaker 2>cover up of Biden's cognitive decline has now been clearly exposed.

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<v Speaker 2>While voters were told he was sharp as attack and

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<v Speaker 2>the clips were all deep fakes, Nancy Pelosi stopped his

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<v Speaker 2>contact with Democratic caucus, and his own team limited his

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<v Speaker 2>FaceTime with cabinet secretaries. Democrats were, in fact, highly concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about his ability to fulfill basic tasks like reading teleprompters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet here's what voters were told.

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<v Speaker 3>President Biden, who I've been around numerous times just in

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<v Speaker 3>this last year, is sharp.

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<v Speaker 1>He's focused, He's bright.

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<v Speaker 4>He is sharp, intensely probing and detail oriented and focused.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a man who is sharp, who is on

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<v Speaker 2>top of his game, who knows what's going on.

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<v Speaker 4>He's smart, He's on his game.

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<v Speaker 2>This same group who lied about Joe Biden are now

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<v Speaker 2>throwing their support behind Kamala Harris. They're papering over her

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<v Speaker 2>policy failures and history of incompetence as vice president and

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<v Speaker 2>embracing her with excitement. That is fighting Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 5>She is coming out guns blazing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>People have been thirsting for this kind of fell in

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<v Speaker 1>love with him.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought she was smart, engaging, She's funny, feisty, twickling

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<v Speaker 3>your put you in the guard, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything you come right. I just thought it was a great,

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<v Speaker 1>great opening act.

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<v Speaker 3>The words she was speaking, they felt organic and genuine.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is cause for concern already. As the presumptive nominee,

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris looks set to snub Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

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<v Speaker 2>Netanyahu's addressed to Congress, and this is a worrying sign

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<v Speaker 2>for Israel should she become president. The Wall Street Jonah

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<v Speaker 2>reports that the snub is unmistakable and that it's fueling

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<v Speaker 2>rumors of a rift between her and Biden's approach to

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East. Columnist Walter Russea Meade writes that rightly

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<v Speaker 2>or wrongly, key Arab leaders may interpret her snub of

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<v Speaker 2>Netta Yahoo as evidence that Harris sympathizes with the opponents

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<v Speaker 2>of a Saudi treaty and that her Middle East policy

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<v Speaker 2>will differ significantly from Biden's. He says that, in turn,

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<v Speaker 2>would make it harder for Biden negotiators to get to

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<v Speaker 2>yes either about a Gaza ceasefire or on the final

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<v Speaker 2>details of the Saudi deal. It may also encourage the Iranians,

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<v Speaker 2>sensing weakness and division within the administration, to turn up

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<v Speaker 2>the heat on Biden, increasing the chance of a shooting.

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<v Speaker 4>War in the Gulf.

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<v Speaker 2>And Walter Russell Mead says that Kamala Harris is in

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<v Speaker 2>the big leagues now and she needs to get this right.

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<v Speaker 6>He says, the.

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<v Speaker 2>World will be watching. But surely no one serious has

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<v Speaker 2>any confidence that Kamala Harris could hope to land a

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<v Speaker 2>successful Middle East foreign policy position when she couldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>get a handle on the Southern border, when national security

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<v Speaker 2>officials have already had to intervene to tone down critical

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<v Speaker 2>remarks about Israel that she planned to make in a

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<v Speaker 2>major speech. And that's according to an NBC News report.

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<v Speaker 2>When less than a month after October seven, she called

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<v Speaker 2>for a national strategy not on anti Semitism, but on Islamophobia.

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<v Speaker 7>I am proud to announce the Biden Harris administration will

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<v Speaker 7>develop our nation's first national strategy to counter Islamophobia.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said less than a month after October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and despite the fact there was an antisemitism crisis raging unchecked,

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<v Speaker 2>It's highly doubtful Kamala Harris has the ability, skills, or

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<v Speaker 2>expertise to negotiate Middle East policy, and tonight on my show,

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<v Speaker 2>I've asked Mike Pompeo's chief advisor when he was Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of State to come on live to speak about this. Already,

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala has been thoroughly exposed for her failures while in

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<v Speaker 2>the VP job. Her role was to fix the immigration crisis,

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<v Speaker 2>yet under her watch, more than eight million illegals crossed

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<v Speaker 2>the border, and thanks to her, the b crisis has

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<v Speaker 2>become one of the top reasons that voters are supporting Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>For this and other reasons, she was considered a liability.

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<v Speaker 2>The media tore her to pieces, as exemplified by this

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<v Speaker 2>famous interview.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you have any plans to visit the border at

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<v Speaker 8>some point?

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>We are going to the border. We've been to the border.

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<v Speaker 7>So this whole, this whole, this whole thing about the border.

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<v Speaker 7>We've been to the border. We've been to the border.

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<v Speaker 7>You haven't been to the border, and I haven't been.

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<v Speaker 4>To Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Or even Nancy Pelosi hasn't been able to defend Kamala's

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<v Speaker 2>failings as VP.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think she.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the best running met though she's the vice president

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<v Speaker 4>of the United States. People say to me, why isn't

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<v Speaker 4>she doing.

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<v Speaker 9>This or that?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, because she's the vice president. That's the job

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<v Speaker 1>of description.

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<v Speaker 8>You don't do that much.

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<v Speaker 2>But the same left media that lied about Biden's cognitive

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<v Speaker 2>decline are now trying to brush past Kamala's flaws, even

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<v Speaker 2>though they reported on them in the past. I know,

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<v Speaker 2>overnight she's become immedia darling and they're redefining her. But

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<v Speaker 2>does anyone really buy it?

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<v Speaker 4>But she is ready to be the president.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris is unleashed.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>She's just the energy that's coming off of her is

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<v Speaker 2>the energy that's coming off of the American people.

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<v Speaker 4>Just in the last forty eight hours, she's been more

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<v Speaker 4>forward leaning just on the issue of abortion, frankly than

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<v Speaker 4>President Biden had been over the last four months, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you throw in she's more comfortable at going after

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<v Speaker 4>the convictions and Trump she became.

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<v Speaker 5>The presumptive nominee in forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 10>To put that in perspective, it's been more than three

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<v Speaker 10>years and we still don't have a new James Bond.

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<v Speaker 2>Fickle celebrities who just a minute ago were standing by

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<v Speaker 2>Biden are now endorsing Kamala, and she's raised an impressive

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred million dollars since Sunday. At her first campaign

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<v Speaker 2>event today, she launched a scathing attack on Trump.

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<v Speaker 11>I took on perpetrators of all kinds, Predators who abused women,

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<v Speaker 11>fraudsters who ripped off consumers, cheaters who broke the rules.

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<v Speaker 7>For their own gain. So hear me when I say

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<v Speaker 7>I know Donald Trump's tape.

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<v Speaker 2>And meanwhile, the man who the entire Democratic Party now

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<v Speaker 2>acknowledge is not fit to serve another four years as

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<v Speaker 2>president is still apparently equipped to be the leader of

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<v Speaker 2>the free world for another six months. It's an absurd situation.

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<v Speaker 2>As Piers Mulgan pointed out today, I just.

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<v Speaker 8>Find it completely incomprehensible that the president of the United

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<v Speaker 8>States announces on social media not to the American people

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<v Speaker 8>because eighty percent of people are not on social media.

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<v Speaker 1>But he just.

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<v Speaker 8>Announced it suddenly. Oh by the way, I'm not physically

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<v Speaker 8>capable of continuing the next four months of this presidential race.

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<v Speaker 8>But the good news is I am going to carry

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<v Speaker 8>on running the country and be the leader of the

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<v Speaker 8>free world, even though I can barely construct a sentence

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<v Speaker 8>or stay on my two feet without falling over. It

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<v Speaker 8>is a completely fascical situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just who led the way pretending Biden was on

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<v Speaker 2>top of his game, Kamala Harris.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course, we have a very bold and vibrant president

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<v Speaker 7>in Joe Biden, And in Joe Biden, we have a

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<v Speaker 7>president who is probably one of the boldest and strongest

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<v Speaker 7>American presidents we have had in his response to the

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<v Speaker 7>needs of the American people. But he is an extraordinary leader.

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<v Speaker 7>And I wish that people could see what I see,

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<v Speaker 7>because there's only one person who's this behind that resolute death.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't expect the cheerleading journalists to grill her on

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<v Speaker 2>why she repeatedly lied about Biden's cognitive ability or examine

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<v Speaker 2>her policy positions, because just like we saw with the Hunter,

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<v Speaker 2>Biden laptop story, which was dismissed as Russian disinformation. Partisan

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<v Speaker 2>politics has sadly corrupted journalism in America. Even when we

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<v Speaker 2>could all see with our own eyes that Biden was

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<v Speaker 2>incoherent and rambling, the White House insisted the vision with

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<v Speaker 2>deep fakes, and journalists didn't lift a finger to investigate

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<v Speaker 2>ideological narratives that took preference over facts. Retrospective expose is

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<v Speaker 2>now being written too little, too late, and none of

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<v Speaker 2>this serves democracy or Also coming up on the show tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>what would a Kamala Harris presidency look like? Former Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of State at Mike Pompeio's top advisor would join me

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<v Speaker 2>live to discuss. Also on the show, Albanesi's major backflip

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<v Speaker 2>following our exclusive story that AZO chief Mike Burgess had

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<v Speaker 2>been dumped from the National Security Committee of Cabinet. And

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have breaking news tonight from a leading economist who

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<v Speaker 2>is now predicting up to three rate hikes. This on

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<v Speaker 2>top of the news we're officially in a baby recession. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's now bring in our Wednesday Panel labor legend Graham

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<v Speaker 2>Richardson and former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger welcome

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<v Speaker 2>it to you both. I want to start by getting

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<v Speaker 2>your reaction to this deception by the White House, Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>in the media over Biden's mental state. It's been a

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<v Speaker 2>big issue over the past week. Michael Kroger, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about this protection racket over Biden's mental ability?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it's pretty disgusting, and you know it's going to

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<v Speaker 10>plague her for the next four months because everyone she said,

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<v Speaker 10>I wish people could see what I see. Well, we

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<v Speaker 10>did see it, Kamala, We saw it with our own eyes,

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<v Speaker 10>and it was terrible. It was an infirmed president capable

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<v Speaker 10>of putting a sentence together, who clearly had early stage dementia,

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<v Speaker 10>and everyone the Democratic Party then realized that or were

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<v Speaker 10>prepared to be honest about it. After the debate, they

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<v Speaker 10>got rid of him. But it'll bite her. And as

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<v Speaker 10>for all the other things she's talking about in the

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<v Speaker 10>money she's raised, it's relief, it's not excitement. People in

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<v Speaker 10>America are just relieved that there's somebody who could put

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<v Speaker 10>a sentence together who's running as their candidate. And I

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<v Speaker 10>think this will fade over the next few months as

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<v Speaker 10>people realize that she's not up for the job. She

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't have a good record politically, She's awoke, left wing

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<v Speaker 10>liberal from prosecutor from effectively from San Francisco, which is

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<v Speaker 10>a basket case, and I think ultimately her campaign will fade.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think, though, Richo, that she does present now

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<v Speaker 2>a credible alternative to Trump? I mean, there would have

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<v Speaker 2>been a section of voters who don't like Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>very divisive, but they would have had concerns about voting

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<v Speaker 2>for Biden, given he was clearly incoherent much of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>forgot his trade of thought on many occasions. So do

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<v Speaker 2>you think that Kamala Harris might win support from those

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<v Speaker 2>undecided voters or just anti Trump voters?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think she can. I mean, the way I

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<v Speaker 5>look at it, you've had a pretty awful choice between

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<v Speaker 5>Biden and Trump, and now you've got a slightly less

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<v Speaker 5>awful choice between Harris and Trump. So I think Harris

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<v Speaker 5>is in improvement. My God, wasn't that needed because things

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<v Speaker 5>were looking pretty green for the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've been saying for such a long time. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Donald Trump and Joe Biden, are they really

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<v Speaker 2>the best options in the entire of the United States?

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<v Speaker 2>And it is in many ways a pity that the

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<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party didn't have a proper process that Kamala Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>who many say it was a diversity pick in the

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<v Speaker 2>first place, has automatically it looks like she will get

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<v Speaker 2>the nomination and there was no democratic process. Michael Kroger,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think it's a pity that that didn't happen,

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<v Speaker 2>that there might have been better people who have more skills,

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<v Speaker 2>who have more strength, have a foreign policy expertise.

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<v Speaker 10>There are clearly much better coundiates with than the Democratic

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<v Speaker 10>Party than her. You wouldn't have her in the first

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<v Speaker 10>twenty And don't forget when she ran in for the

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<v Speaker 10>nomination in twenty twenty. That is, in twenty nineteen, when

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<v Speaker 10>she ran for the Democratic nomination, she withdrew before the

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<v Speaker 10>first primary because she had a support of about four

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<v Speaker 10>percent of the Democratic Party. Those people that knew her

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<v Speaker 10>best five years ago gave four percent of the vote

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<v Speaker 10>and she had to withdraw. Her campaign was a disaster.

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<v Speaker 10>She's clearly she was a diversity pick. She's been given

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<v Speaker 10>one big job which everyone knows, which has been a

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<v Speaker 10>total disaster. That's why I think she'll fade once you

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<v Speaker 10>get to policy substance, she will fade. So, yes, there

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<v Speaker 10>were a lot better candidates, the governor of Michigan, the

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<v Speaker 10>governor of Pennsylvania, you know, Michelle Obama, et cetera, et cetera, said,

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<v Speaker 10>the government of California much more qualified candidates. But as

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<v Speaker 10>vice president and black woman, how was the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 10>ever going to go past her?

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<v Speaker 3>Well?

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<v Speaker 10>I don't you know, I said last week, I thought

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<v Speaker 10>she was ninety percent chance of getting the job. So

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<v Speaker 10>they couldn't go past. So they're stuck with her. And

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<v Speaker 10>you know, as I said, it's not a joy and enthusiasm,

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<v Speaker 10>it's relief that's causing this upswing for at the minute.

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<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned, Joe Biden will speak for the first

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<v Speaker 2>time eight pm Wednesday in the US local time, which

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<v Speaker 2>is about ten am tomorrow our time. Rich O, what

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<v Speaker 2>reason do you think he's going to give to the

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<v Speaker 2>world really for stepping aside? And do you think there's

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<v Speaker 2>any chance that he'll resign as president?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I hope he will. But that's all I can say.

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<v Speaker 5>I know you live in hope and die in despair,

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<v Speaker 5>but I live in hope that Biden himself will will

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<v Speaker 5>accept the advice of so many that we know have

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<v Speaker 5>given him that it's time to go. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been watching this game for fifty years and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know many of them who know when it's time

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<v Speaker 5>to go.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a good point most politicians, and in disgrace

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<v Speaker 2>or their party forces them out. Not many leave at

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the game. And when they do, we

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<v Speaker 2>all say, oh, there must be some other reason. They

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<v Speaker 2>pretend it's for family reasons and we go digging for

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<v Speaker 2>a scandal behind the scenes. Now, a few months ago

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<v Speaker 2>in March, I exclusively break the news that the Albanese

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<v Speaker 2>government had removed the heads of Asio and Asis from

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<v Speaker 2>the National Security Committee of Cabinet. Now, this was a

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<v Speaker 2>big story. Today we learn that there has now been

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<v Speaker 2>a total backflip and the Australian spy chief Mike Burgess

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<v Speaker 2>has been reinstated as a permanent member of the National

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<v Speaker 2>Security Committee of Cabinet. Michael, it's outrageous that ALBANIZI didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think it was appropriate to have Mike Burgess sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>that room on a permanent basis given the threats to

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<v Speaker 2>our region.

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<v Speaker 10>Look, the fallout from that was huge amongst the security

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<v Speaker 10>industry within Australia, the military, the press establishment that right

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<v Speaker 10>on defense and foreign policy matters. The outrage of what

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<v Speaker 10>Albanze he done was what he done. What he did

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<v Speaker 10>was long and deep. And you know, Albanizi Bat's very

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<v Speaker 10>thin on foreign policy. I mean, you know, Miles is credible,

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<v Speaker 10>but Wong is not credible any longer because of our

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<v Speaker 10>appalling performance on the Middle East. Albanese has never been

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<v Speaker 10>really interested in foreign policy. So he had to put

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<v Speaker 10>Burgess back as a way of stopping the bleeding amongst

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<v Speaker 10>the defense and security. You know, you know aparachics in

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<v Speaker 10>this country who were just appalled by his decision. So

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<v Speaker 10>good on him for acknowledging the mistake. But this was

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<v Speaker 10>an amateur mistake that he should never have made in

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<v Speaker 10>the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he hasn't publicly acknowledged it, of course, so we'll

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<v Speaker 2>look forward to seeing him do that. And what in

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<v Speaker 2>the next couple of days. Look just a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>issues back in Australia. Now, despite Labor making emphatic and

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<v Speaker 2>repeated promises to lower the cost of energy bills, we

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<v Speaker 2>know that ninety seven times that promise was made to

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<v Speaker 2>reduce the power bill by two hundred and seventy five dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Confirmation today that bills are still rising. According to a

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<v Speaker 2>new AEMO report, the cost of power skyrocketed over twenty

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<v Speaker 2>percent last quarter, twenty percent. It's cited as a renewable

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<v Speaker 2>drought and coal outages. And we also learned that we're

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<v Speaker 2>now in the height of a baby recession, with the

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<v Speaker 2>birth rate plunging amid rising cost of living. Richo look

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<v Speaker 2>the centerpiece of the Albanzi government's budget. They poured hundreds

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<v Speaker 2>of millions into lowering the energy bills, people's electricity bills,

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<v Speaker 2>but people clearly aren't feeling it if AMO reports showing

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<v Speaker 2>that they've gone up by twenty percent.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think the promise was the problem. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>the idea that you get to cut energy bills is lovely.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we all think that's terrific. Delivering it is

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<v Speaker 5>just about impossible, and so I think the mistake was

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<v Speaker 5>in the promise.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, I mean the coalition. We just had this polling

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<v Speaker 2>this week in the fin Review from Freshwater Strategies, and

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<v Speaker 2>it shows that the coalition is now head of labor

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time and that the cost of living

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<v Speaker 2>is the main issue for voters. And now this news

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<v Speaker 2>about the baby recession as well. Do you think this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to make it hard for Labor to win

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<v Speaker 2>the next election.

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<v Speaker 10>It is. And you know, as you know, I've been

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<v Speaker 10>saying for months, this guy is not going to win

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<v Speaker 10>any his own right. There's going to be swinging against him.

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<v Speaker 10>He'll be in minority government at best and at worse

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<v Speaker 10>for him, Darton, we'll get more seats on the floor

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<v Speaker 10>of the Reps and then have the first chance of

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<v Speaker 10>forming government. Look, Graham's absolutely right. He said two things

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<v Speaker 10>at the election that won him this election, last election,

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<v Speaker 10>more than anything else. There's a cost of living, Christ's

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<v Speaker 10>cost of living Christs. He kept repeating that hundreds of times.

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<v Speaker 10>And then, as you said, two seventy five dollars off here, Paabill,

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<v Speaker 10>the elector out there, thought oh, well he's you know,

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<v Speaker 10>he's promising these things. Well we'll go with him. And

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<v Speaker 10>so he made those promises. These were just these were

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<v Speaker 10>just slogans given to him by the advertising agency who

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<v Speaker 10>were inspired by the pollsters. So Albanize went out there

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<v Speaker 10>and said these things. If he was a company director,

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<v Speaker 10>of course he'd be prosecuted for making such reckless statements.

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<v Speaker 10>He got away with him. It won the election. It's

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<v Speaker 10>coming back to bite him, and you know, stay tuned

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<v Speaker 10>because it looks as if there'll be a four percent

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<v Speaker 10>interest rate increase and his polls won't be in the thirties,

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<v Speaker 10>they'll be in the twenties after that.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Richard, have you got a private prediction for what

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<v Speaker 2>the primary would be? Do you think it might be

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenties? As Michael just said, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Think there's a possibility of that. I hope it's wrong,

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<v Speaker 5>but I'd say there's a chance of it. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>the only thing that Elbow has really got going for

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<v Speaker 5>him is that people like him. You know, the energy

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<v Speaker 5>promise was a mistake. You then don't deliver on it

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<v Speaker 5>and then people punish you. That's the theory. And the

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<v Speaker 5>only thing in the road of that is the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that people think he's a good fella.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that come through in the research, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>rich O and the labor research, that people like him?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you always say it, and anecdotally I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>hear people saying anymore. Ah, the Prime Minister, what a

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<v Speaker 2>good block.

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<v Speaker 5>I think fewer people are saying it, and no question

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<v Speaker 5>about that. But you can't say there are none saying it.

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<v Speaker 5>There are. But you know, the numbers are dropping, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not sure if you say that's alarming, but it's

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<v Speaker 5>certainly concerning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Michael Kroger Gray and Richardson. Great to

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<v Speaker 2>have you both on. Thank you very much. Now after

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<v Speaker 2>the break, we're live to the United States after another

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<v Speaker 2>big day in politics, and Joe Biden comes out of

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<v Speaker 2>hiding as he prepares to address the world, And Mike

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<v Speaker 2>Pompeo's former top advisor will join me next with her

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<v Speaker 2>assessment on what a Kamala Harris presidency would look like.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned, welcome back. Well, Joe Biden should have sacked

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<v Speaker 2>the head of the Secret Service immediately after Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 2>nearly took a bullet to the head. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>most shocking and almost incomprehensible security failure in decades. Yet outrageously,

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<v Speaker 2>Kimberly Cheetle wasn't sacked after almost two weeks of making excuses.

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<v Speaker 2>She's finally stood down when members of Congress on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides of politics called for her resignation and her during

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<v Speaker 2>your hearing yesterday, and Cheeto finally considered that the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Service fell short in protecting Trump, and yet we are

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<v Speaker 2>no closer to knowing any real information about the shooter,

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<v Speaker 2>or why law enforcement and the Secret Service didn't act

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<v Speaker 2>despite knowing there was a suspicious person on a nearby roof,

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<v Speaker 2>and why didn't any of them tell Trump or his

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<v Speaker 2>team not to go on stage. There are many questions

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<v Speaker 2>and no answers. We're joining us now to discuss his

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<v Speaker 2>former US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo's senior advisor, who

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<v Speaker 2>is now the executive vice president at Steven's Ink, Mary Kissel, Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>Great to see you once again.

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<v Speaker 12>Mary.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, this is the most serious security failure. No adequate

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<v Speaker 2>explanation given by anyone for how this went so wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think there needs to be a stronger push

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<v Speaker 2>to actually investigate, call a proper inquiry to find out

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in Butler?

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<v Speaker 3>It's great to be with you, sherryon good morning from Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a shocking failure of the Secret Service, but

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately it's not the first time we've had a major

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<v Speaker 3>failure of that institution. And I would say that what

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<v Speaker 3>was shocking, Sharry isn't that the President didn't fire her.

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<v Speaker 3>What's shocking is that she didn't resign immediately. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>who's resigned for the Afghanistan debacle. No one. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>honor in US politics anymore. It's sad to say, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's true. I think the only encouraging thing to come

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<v Speaker 3>out of this is that there was bipartisan condemnation her,

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<v Speaker 3>bipartisan pressure on her to resign, and that's what led

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<v Speaker 3>to her leaving that post. And there will be a

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<v Speaker 3>bipartisan investigation into the Secret Service, which is very low morale.

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<v Speaker 3>It's constantly ranked as one of the worst places to

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<v Speaker 3>work in America. It is a very urgent that we

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<v Speaker 3>fix that agency.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you worked very closely with Mike Pompa as

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<v Speaker 2>his top advisor when he was Secretary of State. There's

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<v Speaker 2>always risks to any high profile politician in America. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of extremists in the country, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of access to guns. Do you think other politicians

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<v Speaker 2>will now be fearful that they too may not be protected.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, remember we had that shooting of Republican Congressman Steve

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<v Speaker 3>Scalice and others at a congressional baseball game just a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago. Mister Scalise almost lost his life.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a home invasion of National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan,

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<v Speaker 3>the security services have allowed constant protests in front of

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<v Speaker 3>our Supreme Court justices who have themselves called for more security. Later.

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<v Speaker 3>On top of that that, you have state sponsored threats

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<v Speaker 3>like Iran, who has threatened to kill my former boss,

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Pompeo, John Bolton and others. And yes, it's a

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<v Speaker 3>very complex environment. We are a free society, so there

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<v Speaker 3>are some restrictions. But certainly you would think that our

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<v Speaker 3>diplomatic security, our Secret Service, FBI, DHS and others would

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<v Speaker 3>be able to do a better job than this. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what the problem is, Sherry. It's probably a

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<v Speaker 3>multitude of failures over decades, but you've got to ask

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<v Speaker 3>what is it going to take for us to get

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<v Speaker 3>serious about solving them? And unfortunately, you know a former

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<v Speaker 3>president almost losing his life. Well, let's hope that that's

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<v Speaker 3>the crisis that sparks real change. But I'm pretty cynical, Sherry.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure it will.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I agree with you there. Look, I want to

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<v Speaker 2>turn to Kamala Harris. There's concern that she may not

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<v Speaker 2>be on the same page as Biden when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to Middle East foreign policy. What's your view on her

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<v Speaker 2>position here? And whether she may not be a support

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel as Biden has been over decades.

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<v Speaker 3>So the way that you ask that question suggests it's

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<v Speaker 3>solely a question of foreign policy, but cherry. Unfortunately, it's

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<v Speaker 3>also a question of US domestic politics. Kamala Harris has

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<v Speaker 3>to win the so called Blue Wall states, which include Michigan.

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<v Speaker 3>Michigan is a very large Palestinian American population. Recall that

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<v Speaker 3>during the primary they lodged a vote of protest against

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<v Speaker 3>President Biden for his tepid support of Israel, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I view, and I think many others view Kamala Harris's

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<v Speaker 3>strong support of the ceasefire, which would hand to massa victory,

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<v Speaker 3>as not really a foreign policy issue. It's more of

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<v Speaker 3>a domestic play to win over those key swing votes

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<v Speaker 3>for Democrats in the states that she needs to win

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<v Speaker 3>the presidency.

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<v Speaker 2>Where I'm going to hear tomorrow morning, our time, tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>yours from Joe Biden for the first time. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>among those who think he should step down as president

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<v Speaker 2>if his cognitive decline is so great that he can't

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<v Speaker 2>run again, Well, what about the next six months?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's no doubt an extremely dangerous period of time.

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 3>He's already a lame duck president now that he's said

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 3>that he's not going to run again top of the ticket.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the decision of whether or not he steps

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:09.159
<v Speaker 3>down is a decision for him and his family. I

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 3>would hope that he would do the right thing if

0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 3>he's not mentally capable to do the job. I wish

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 3>him good health. I think it was kind of a

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 3>relief to many Americans when they saw him able to

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:23.719
<v Speaker 3>walk onto that airplane yesterday of air Force One, because

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 3>we haven't seen him since last Wednesday. But Sherry, it's

0:27:28.119 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 3>not really a matter of you know, is Joe Biden

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.840
<v Speaker 3>competent right now? That makes it a dangerous time for

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.840
<v Speaker 3>America in the free world. I mean, we have seen

0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.400
<v Speaker 3>an erosion of US deterrence now for the last three

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.880
<v Speaker 3>and a half years. That has resulted in many things,

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 3>whether it's more aggressive China, whether it's Putin invading Ukraine,

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 3>whether it's Iran launching direct attacks on Israel. Israel not

0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 3>able to rely on US, so they're launching direct attacks

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:00.200
<v Speaker 3>just in these recent days on UTI targets, and I'm

0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 3>in the major attack over the weekend that they were

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 3>compelled to do for their own security. So I think

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.040
<v Speaker 3>in some respects it's a little misleading. Don't just focus

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 3>on this one event, focus on the bigger picture here

0:28:13.440 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 3>and also how we've allowed China, Russia, Iran, North Korea

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:20.600
<v Speaker 3>to get together and form an alliance of sorts and

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 3>an evil alliance. Yes, that is presenting a huge threat

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 3>not just to our interests here in the United States,

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 3>but to yours, to Japan's, to India's, to Taiwan's. It's

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:35.480
<v Speaker 3>a growing threat. We've got to get serious about it,

0:28:36.240 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 3>and we've got to get serious about restoring de terrence

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 3>because without it, I fear that we're moving toward a

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 3>greater conflagration, the lives of which we haven't seen in

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 3>many decades. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You're absolutely right, and we talked about that emerging access

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 2>of evil often on this program. And that's the one

0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>thing that concerns me about the Republican Party is that

0:28:56.880 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>there's this isolationist movement for America not to be involved

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:04.680
<v Speaker 2>in foreign was when at this time, at the most

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 2>volatile time in decades, we need a United States that

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 2>is going to play a strong role as a world leader.

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Just before you go, Mary, does that concern you that

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>there's this push for America not to get involved in

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 2>any foreign wars. And if you know whoever's the president

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>articulates that, then our enemies know that.

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you had us the terments, if our enemies

0:29:30.680 --> 0:29:33.520
<v Speaker 3>feared us, then there wouldn't be foreign wars under the

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:36.959
<v Speaker 3>last four presidents. The only one where Putin didn't invade

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 3>a foreign country was under President Trump. And I think

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 3>our record in the Trump administration has been grossly mis distorted.

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 3>The idea that we weren't interested in leadership or alliances

0:29:50.680 --> 0:29:54.720
<v Speaker 3>is simply simply false. We had a unanimous support from

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 3>NATO from withdrawing from the I n F Treaty. We

0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 3>sanctioned Putin's inner circle. We unleashed you a center, We

0:30:00.400 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 3>took away his money. We imposed strong tariffs on China,

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 3>We revivified the Quad. We got together with the European

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.920
<v Speaker 3>Union and started a dialogue on China. It never happened.

0:30:13.920 --> 0:30:16.520
<v Speaker 3>We went around the world, We got countries to get

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 3>rid of Huaweih, to wake up to Chinese influence operation.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a lot of this. A lot of this

0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.600
<v Speaker 2>is Mike Pompeo, though, isn't it. This is all thanks

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 2>to the former Secretary of State.

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 3>No, Mike Pompeio answered to President Trump, and every major

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 3>decision he took was sanctioned by the president. The president

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 3>sets foreign policy, and I have to say, Cherry, I

0:30:36.840 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 3>listened to a lot of this commentary and it just

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 3>absolutely befuddles me, because it just you have to ignore

0:30:43.200 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 3>the record of achievement in order to claim that the

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 3>United States is somehow retreating into an isolationist show. We're not.

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 3>If we didn't care about NATO, for instance, why would

0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 3>we go to trouble to browbeat these countries into simply

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>living up to their promises. Look, two percent is a floor.

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.959
<v Speaker 3>If you were serious about countering the threat from Vladimir Putin,

0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 3>it should be three percent, four percent, five percent, And

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 3>those should be discussions happening in European capitals today. European

0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 3>voters should want their leaders to be serious about their

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:20.160
<v Speaker 3>own security, not to outsource it. So I think these

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:23.480
<v Speaker 3>are necessary conversations. I think the idea that we're not

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 3>active internationally is ridiculous, and I think that a lot

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 3>of the fear monitoring that's been happening about a second

0:31:31.160 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Trump term, I think this is unwarranted. And you've got

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 3>to look at the record of the Trump era versus

0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 3>the Biden era. What did Biden do? Pulled out of Afghanistan,

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 3>appeas deran, paid for our hostages, did nothing to really

0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 3>enact consequences as communists, China has become more aggressive. Yes

0:31:50.640 --> 0:31:55.520
<v Speaker 3>he did August, that's great. Yes he continued the quad And.

0:31:56.760 --> 0:32:00.280
<v Speaker 2>To me, I was Australia's idea, not America's Mary. So

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>we've got to leave it there. But I have to say,

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure everyone watching can see why you were Mike

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Pompeio's top advisor. I really appreciate your time as always.

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Now, staying in the US, Kamala Harris had

0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.280
<v Speaker 2>her first campaign rally on the battleground state of Wisconsin.

0:32:16.360 --> 0:32:18.720
<v Speaker 2>She pitched herself to voters in her bid to become

0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:22.760
<v Speaker 2>US president, and joining me now live is Sky News

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Washington correspondent Analie Nilsen. Analise, thank you very much. What's

0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>your analysis of Kamala's first official campaign event today.

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 6>Look, she's hit the ground running and the response so

0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 6>far has been good, but there's a long way to

0:32:38.320 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 6>go and she's riding on some momentum, especially with these

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 6>new fundraising figures. Coming in that she's raised now they're

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 6>saying eighty one million dollars since it was announced that

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.640
<v Speaker 6>Joe Biden was going to withdraw from the race. But

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:54.600
<v Speaker 6>what I would say is that this could absolutely change

0:32:54.680 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 6>the closer we get to election day. She's going to

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 6>have to do more media, which hasn't traditionally been her

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 6>strong point. And this is going to be also something

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 6>where we have to focus on how the debates go.

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 6>Donald Trump's now said he'll do as many debates as

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 6>she wants. There should be at least one more, but

0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 6>he wants at least two more, and we don't know

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 6>how she's going to fear in that environment. He was

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 6>very reserved with Joe Biden. He really held back and

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:24.440
<v Speaker 6>just let Joe Biden to take the stage, and then

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 6>we saw just so many issues with his cognitive function.

0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:30.680
<v Speaker 6>Trump didn't have to do much. It's likely that he'll

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 6>kind of up that strategy with Kamala Harris, go toe

0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 6>to toe with her, and then that could be what

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 6>really changes. But there is just this sense among Democrats

0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 6>that they're so relieved that Joe Biden's out that they're

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.000
<v Speaker 6>really going all in on Kamala Harris.

0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Although of course, Trump might also hold back a bit

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>on Kamala Harris because of her gender. His advisors might

0:33:51.880 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>encourage him not to be as tough on her. Adelie's

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 2>what are you hearing in terms of whether Biden's expected

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 2>to offer any explanation when he speaks later tonight Your

0:34:02.120 --> 0:34:03.680
<v Speaker 2>time for why he's no longer running.

0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:09.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Look, we're finally getting this Oval office address. There

0:34:09.040 --> 0:34:11.120
<v Speaker 6>was this promise in the letter that were supposed to

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 6>Twitter when Joe Biden announced that he was resigning, and

0:34:14.719 --> 0:34:17.520
<v Speaker 6>then that was indicating that he was going to speak

0:34:17.560 --> 0:34:20.680
<v Speaker 6>to the nation later this week. What I think we'll

0:34:20.680 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 6>try to emphasize is that he's not a lame duck,

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 6>because he is very much a laying duck. Now everyone

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 6>knows he's on the way out. He's got six months left.

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.560
<v Speaker 6>Remember in the US, you do formally hand over on

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.520
<v Speaker 6>January twenty, so that's a few months after election day.

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 6>There's still that transition period. But it's really going to

0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 6>be hard for him now to advance any kind of

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:42.680
<v Speaker 6>major agenda now everyone knows he's leaving, and also these

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:46.800
<v Speaker 6>questions about his cognitive, fitness and ability. So I think

0:34:46.960 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 6>they're going to be trying to put forward a strong

0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:52.759
<v Speaker 6>image that he's not weak. He's going to be trying

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:55.760
<v Speaker 6>to deny any of that question, any of those questions

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 6>around his cognitive abilities. But frankly, it's just well over

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:01.880
<v Speaker 6>the fact we haven't heard from him or seen him

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.440
<v Speaker 6>since this major announcement, the fact we only got to

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 6>glimpse him walking down the stairs yesterday after this COVID diagnosis.

0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 6>It really is shocking when you consider when LBJ withdrew

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 6>from the race, when Richard Nixon resigned. They did that

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 6>to the American people. It's really overd you that he

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:19.680
<v Speaker 6>does this now.

0:35:20.000 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, especially as you've pointed out, not everyone is

0:35:22.600 --> 0:35:26.799
<v Speaker 2>on social media. Many people are not. Annelie Nielsen really

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>appreciate your analysis. How still ta Kama Stark warning that

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Australian mortgageholders could be facing even more interest rate hikes.

0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Economist Warren Hogan will give us his alarming prediction.

0:35:38.239 --> 0:35:38.800
<v Speaker 6>In a moment.

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Plus who would be better for Australia Kamala or Trump.

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:50.120
<v Speaker 2>We're going to discuss with my panel next. Welcome back. Well,

0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:53.480
<v Speaker 2>we've got some breaking news justin the Australian flag bearers

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 2>for the Paris Olympics opening ceremony have just been announced

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to love at least the first padler

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Jessica Fox and hockey veteran Eddie Ockinden will lead the

0:36:04.400 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Australian Olympic team as flag bearers in Friday's Paris twenty

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty four opening ceremony on the River Saine. You remember

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:16.200
<v Speaker 2>jess Fox Ie an Olympic gold medal at the last

0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Olympics and became a fan favorite. Well, let's look now

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>at the broader security for Australians in Paris for the

0:36:23.800 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 2>upcoming Olympic Games. This is now a major concern after

0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>two incidents caused the alarm. There were two members of

0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>nine's Olympics broadcast team who were attacked in an attempted

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 2>robbery on Monday, and an Australian woman was gang raped

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>in Paris by five men and police are investigating. Athletes

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>have now been told not to wear their team uniform

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>when outside the athlete's village for security reasons. Well to discuss,

0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.040
<v Speaker 2>let's bring in the Deputy Chair of the Parliamentary Joint

0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Committee on Intelligence and Security, Andrew Wallace and former Press

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Secretary to Julia Gillard Darren Barnett. Welcome to you both.

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Thing good to see you here in studio.

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<v Speaker 9>Derek, thank you.

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Andrew's starting with you. You know you're on the Intelligence

0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and Security Committee Deputy chair. How do you assess the

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>security risks of these Olympic Games in Paris.

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 12>Well, I think it's very clear that the French government

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 12>is pulling out all stops to ensure that these games

0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 12>are going to be a very safe games. My understanding

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 12>is that between police, military and private security that they

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 12>are absolutely doing everything that they can to ensure the

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:37.759
<v Speaker 12>safety of games participants and visitors alike. But there's no

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:42.440
<v Speaker 12>doubt there is a great feeling of unease amongst security

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 12>officials about terrorism in these games, so no doubt that

0:37:48.239 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 12>they will do everything they can to try and keep

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 12>people safe. But it's certainly a matter of concern, and

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.439
<v Speaker 12>of course our hearts and thoughts and prayers go out

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:02.120
<v Speaker 12>to the young lady that was legitly raped and also

0:38:02.440 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 12>the Channel nine people that were assaulted. So people just

0:38:06.160 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 12>need to be very very careful over in France, as

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:11.040
<v Speaker 12>they would normally anywhere when they're traveling overseas, but particularly

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.279
<v Speaker 12>at a time where the Olympics are on.

0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they alleged gang rape. Absolutely horrific to hear about that.

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 2>But Darren Andrew Wallace, Deputy Chair of the Intelligence and

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>Security Committees, just said that there are concerns among the

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 2>security establishment about a potential terror attack. You know, this

0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:30.719
<v Speaker 2>is a worry a lot of people heading to the Olympics,

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 2>very much so.

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 9>And obviously there was Munich nineteen seventy two is the

0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 9>most famous of the terrorist attacks. But that sort of

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 9>threat is always going to be present, and particularly the

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 9>poorest sort of borders of Europe, it's not hard to

0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 9>imagine that there'd be that honeypot that people who are

0:38:49.840 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 9>looking to cause trouble are going to find their way

0:38:52.680 --> 0:38:56.439
<v Speaker 9>to Paris. So, as mister Wallace quite rightly pointed out

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 9>that there's going to be a lot of security, private security,

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 9>all sorts of every effort will be made to make

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:06.399
<v Speaker 9>these games safe. But we still need to be on

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 9>our kind of high alert because this is the type

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 9>of event that terrorist groups would love because they would

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:17.400
<v Speaker 9>get incredible notoriety should they be successful in an attack.

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we've even seen some posts from the Hamas

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 2>terrorist group that obviously I'm not going to replay their

0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 2>propaganda on air, but they have been alarming social media posts.

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:30.959
<v Speaker 2>Now let's turn to one of the Albanezi government's most

0:39:30.960 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 2>controversial policy since coming to office. That's their Big Australia Plan.

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.720
<v Speaker 2>According to the Australians Need of the Nation polling figures,

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:44.760
<v Speaker 2>over thirteen percent of Australians surveyed don't support the increase

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:48.800
<v Speaker 2>in the number of immigrants. Half of Australians polled would

0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 2>prefer fewer migrants, and support for immigration overall has nearly

0:39:53.400 --> 0:39:57.080
<v Speaker 2>halved over the past ten years. Andrew Wallace, what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think do you think the immigration intake has been

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<v Speaker 2>too high?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Shari.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean what this pole reveals is nothing new to me,

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.879
<v Speaker 12>and it should be nothing new to journalists or commentators

0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:14.359
<v Speaker 12>or in fact any parliamentarians at all. When I'm out

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:17.799
<v Speaker 12>walking the streets in Fisher on the Sunshine Coast, people

0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:22.080
<v Speaker 12>are telling me that they simply can't afford Many people

0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 12>can't afford to even rent a.

0:40:23.760 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Home, let alone buying a home.

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<v Speaker 12>And what we're now experiencing is people young, young families

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:34.680
<v Speaker 12>in particular, and older women in particular, who just they're

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.439
<v Speaker 12>sleeping rough in their cars because they can't afford rent.

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.359
<v Speaker 12>They certainly can't afford the mortgage or payments that come

0:40:41.400 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 12>with houses. So the Labor Party have brought in more

0:40:45.520 --> 0:40:48.840
<v Speaker 12>than one point two million people over the last two years.

0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:53.520
<v Speaker 12>That's having a drastic impact on the availability of homes

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:57.760
<v Speaker 12>for Australians. So people are very angry.

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<v Speaker 2>Darren I mean the Albanizi argues that the high intake

0:41:02.360 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 2>is just to make up for the during the COVID era,

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>But isn't the issue that this wasn't put to voters.

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Voters were never told there was going to be such

0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>a dramatic rise in the immigration intake, that there was

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>going to be this big Australia strategy.

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<v Speaker 9>Also, voters don't look backwards, they look forwards and they

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:26.080
<v Speaker 9>look at their present situation. And Andrew's right. People feel

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 9>cost of living pressures, they feel that there's a shortage

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:34.720
<v Speaker 9>of available and affordable housing and they blame the government.

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.480
<v Speaker 9>And in this instance they see people coming in from overseas,

0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 9>so there should have been a better explanation made. I

0:41:41.560 --> 0:41:45.520
<v Speaker 9>think the Labor Government has made some reductions in the

0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 9>targets for immigration from what they were a couple of

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:51.439
<v Speaker 9>years ago, but it's still an increase and that's something

0:41:51.480 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 9>that they need to explain to the voting public.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of this breaking news that's come in this

0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.840
<v Speaker 2>evening on the Sydney Morning Herald, they're reporting that Labor

0:42:00.840 --> 0:42:04.880
<v Speaker 2>ministers Linda Burnie and Brendan O'Connor are expected to announce

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.560
<v Speaker 2>their retirement in the coming days. We can't confirm or

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.800
<v Speaker 2>verify that that report from the City Morning Herald. Andrew

0:42:11.840 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Wallace Linda Bernie, she wanted her legacy to be the

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.600
<v Speaker 2>voice that was voted down by Australians. Would there's be

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.879
<v Speaker 2>a sad note for her to end her career on.

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 12>Well Sharie. Look, I'd like to be able to say

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 12>nice things about Linda, but Linda really was out of

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 12>her depth as Indigenous Affairs Minister. She oversaw what was

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 12>a disastrous campaign. Even from Labor Party perspectives. There's no

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 12>doubt in my mind that Labor are clearing the decks.

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 12>You can see this, what's happening Brendan O'Connor, Linda, they are.

0:42:53.120 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 1>Getting ready for an early election.

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<v Speaker 12>There's no doubt in my.

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Mind about that.

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:00.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about it, Elliot. I think it opened.

0:43:00.160 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Away reshuffle.

0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.839
<v Speaker 2>All about the resha Drew Giles and maybe even Clara

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 2>O'Neil out of those portfolios.

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<v Speaker 9>There are rumors that that might occur, that someone such

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:15.400
<v Speaker 9>as a Pat Conroy might get a promotion and leaving

0:43:15.560 --> 0:43:20.320
<v Speaker 9>vocational jobs and skills open, which is Brendan O'Connor's patch,

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:23.320
<v Speaker 9>you might see Andrew Giles shift over in that direction.

0:43:23.920 --> 0:43:26.279
<v Speaker 9>I'm not sure about Home affairs, there's not a lot

0:43:26.280 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 9>of There are rumors, but obviously no one tells me

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 9>in truth what's going on, But certainly the chatter is

0:43:33.080 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 9>that there's a reshuffle on the way and opening those

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.920
<v Speaker 9>two senior spots, the Linda Bernie spot and the Brendan

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:43.720
<v Speaker 9>O'Connor spot, means people can shift kind of without losing

0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:47.280
<v Speaker 9>best status, and that will mean there'll be new people

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:47.840
<v Speaker 9>in the cap.

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.880
<v Speaker 2>And it'll be interesting to see who in your promoted

0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:51.320
<v Speaker 2>to cabinet. Yeah, go ahead, Andrew.

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 12>The Prime Minister is left with no choice but to

0:43:55.320 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 12>move Andrew Giles. He's overseen an absolutely disastrous immigration portfolio

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 12>who's been a huge embarrassment to.

0:44:03.480 --> 0:44:04.320
<v Speaker 1>The Labor Party.

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 12>So there's no doubt that Andrew Giles will be moved,

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 12>should be sacked, but moved somewhere. And Claire O'Neill.

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you know what, Andrew, I think there wouldn't be

0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:19.000
<v Speaker 2>an Australian who would think that Andrew Giles has done

0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 2>a great job. And yet he is one of Albanezy's

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 2>numbers men, so he might not actually sack him from cabinet.

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:26.399
<v Speaker 1>But that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 9>He ends up in vocational skills yah yea yeah, and

0:44:29.760 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 9>that means that they say face yeah.

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>All right, Andrew Willis, Darren Barnett, thank you both very

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>much for your time. Now, we've still got another interesting

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>segment on the show after the break. Australia at the

0:44:40.680 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 2>height of a baby recession. This is sparking more problems

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 2>for the government. Economist Warren Hogan will join me next

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:52.760
<v Speaker 2>with his exclusive prediction of up to three more rate heights.

0:44:53.000 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Let's hope he's wrong. That coming up. Welcome back. Well,

0:45:01.040 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 2>cast your mind back to two thousand and four and

0:45:03.680 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 2>then Treasurer Peter Costello was scrambling for a solution to

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Australia's plummeting birth rate and he told a generation of

0:45:11.120 --> 0:45:16.399
<v Speaker 2>Ozzie's this now famous line, he one for mom, one

0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 2>for dead, and one for the country. Well, if the

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:23.879
<v Speaker 2>latest stats are any indicator. Current Treasurer Jim Chalmers may

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:27.760
<v Speaker 2>have to issue a similar plea because Australia, we learn today,

0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.320
<v Speaker 2>is in the height of a baby recession and nationwide

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.800
<v Speaker 2>they were just under two hundred and ninety thousand berths

0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 2>last year, down by four point six percent on the

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:42.520
<v Speaker 2>previous year, and it's the lowest since two thousand and six. Well,

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 2>let's bring in now economist Warren Hogan. Warren, thank you

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.960
<v Speaker 2>very much for joining us. What is this falling birth rate?

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Say about how the cost of living crisis is impacting

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.880
<v Speaker 2>on everyday families Hie.

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.919
<v Speaker 1>Jerry, thanks for having me on the show. Yeah.

0:45:56.960 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 13>Look, it's no doubt a factor here and this is

0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.360
<v Speaker 13>big consequence if indeed it's a major force. But the

0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.400
<v Speaker 13>cost of living crisis.

0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Is very real.

0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 13>It's one of the biggest setbacks in living standards that

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.680
<v Speaker 13>we've seen in this country's history, certainly in its modern history,

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:13.480
<v Speaker 13>and it's.

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Playing a role. Birth rates are.

0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 13>Essentially an economic phenomenon, but I think the real issue

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:23.320
<v Speaker 13>here is housing affordability and I think that's the major

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:27.839
<v Speaker 13>factor right now driving the lower birth rate, the lower

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.240
<v Speaker 13>fertility rates, and you can see that in the spread

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 13>of the results across different parts of Australia.

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, let's go to those different parts of Australia. So

0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 2>which state is the worst when it comes to the

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>falling birth rate?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, well the report shows, unsurprisingly that it's the capital

0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.839
<v Speaker 13>cities which have got obviously the most expensive housing, and

0:46:48.920 --> 0:46:52.440
<v Speaker 13>Sydney which has got the biggest fall of over eight percent.

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.359
<v Speaker 13>Regional New South Wales has only fallen marginally less than

0:46:56.400 --> 0:46:59.279
<v Speaker 13>one percent, and regional Australia is a lot less. I

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.360
<v Speaker 13>think that's the clue that tells us that housing affordability

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:04.919
<v Speaker 13>is the real issue. And of course if a kid,

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.239
<v Speaker 13>if a family wanted to have three kids and they

0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:09.799
<v Speaker 13>can only live in a two bedroom apartment, then they

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 13>might only have one, and a family that might have

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 13>had one in an apartment might decide not to have any.

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.120
<v Speaker 1>So I think that's the real issue.

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 2>And then there's the whole generation who don't want to

0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 2>have kids for climate change. But that's another conversation we'll

0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:24.799
<v Speaker 2>have another day. Warren, you made headlines recently when you

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.879
<v Speaker 2>predicted there could be two rate hikes, but now you've

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:30.200
<v Speaker 2>got news for us tonight and you're saying it might

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 2>potentially be even worse. Than this.

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:36.200
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, it's not great news, but of course it's the

0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 13>reality which we can't walk away from, and the Reserve

0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.520
<v Speaker 13>Bank Board certainly won't. We are now looking at a

0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 13>rate hike in a few weeks, and that's on the

0:47:43.520 --> 0:47:46.400
<v Speaker 13>back of what we've seen with not just inflation but

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:50.440
<v Speaker 13>also strong employment. And they're probably going to have to

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:52.920
<v Speaker 13>do too, because what's the point of all the anks

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.719
<v Speaker 13>that they're going to generate in the community and the

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:58.399
<v Speaker 13>political leadership with just doing one twenty five point move

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:01.239
<v Speaker 13>after four hundred and twenty twenty five basis points we've

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:02.440
<v Speaker 13>seen already, So.

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:03.600
<v Speaker 1>They're probably going to have to do too.

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:06.960
<v Speaker 13>But this is all ahead of the stimulus hitting the economy,

0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:09.239
<v Speaker 13>the tax cuts, the cost of living measures, the state

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.359
<v Speaker 13>government measures, and we've seen hints in the last week

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 13>that this could start to have a very big impact.

0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 13>Consumer sentiment from our weekly read.

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Remains quickly interrupt because we're running out of time. But

0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:24.880
<v Speaker 2>you think that come November, if.

0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 13>The risks there to be a third one, that's something

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.000
<v Speaker 13>we can't rule out at least two, and there's a

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:30.839
<v Speaker 13>risk of more. We've got to get the cash right up.

0:48:31.280 --> 0:48:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Warren Hogan thank you very much for

0:48:33.360 --> 0:48:35.200
<v Speaker 2>your time, and that's it for me. I'll see you

0:48:35.200 --> 0:48:37.640
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow at eight o'clock. And up now in the man cave,

0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 2>it's poor myray life.