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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot, fourteen hundred and forty minutes in a day.

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Speaker 2: And I took way too long to realize that saying

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Speaker 1: That's one of the you know, I did this little

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Speaker 1: it's not a me thing, Nicole, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: It's not a me thing. It's a time thing. Or

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Speaker 1: it's like people who go on time poor. I go,

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Speaker 4: I really want to vent being give me an answer

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the answer is they just don't allocate

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Speaker 1: It's the humility that I love. I did a humility

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Speaker 1: We're starting weekly coaching Mick and I, which is I

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Speaker 4: had to accept exactly what you said. I'm not happy

434
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 4: about what happened in her childhood, of course, I'm not

435
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: happy about that at all, and I wish I could

436
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 4: change it, but I can't. Have I done everything I

437
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 4: can to make amends for that, Yes I have, and

438
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 4: you know what, her work walking away at the moment

439
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 4: hurts me very deeply, but I have to forgive myself.

440
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 4: I've done all I can to try and repair the damage,

441
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 4: and I've had to.

442
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: Let it go.

443
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, you know, and hate. I'm sure we'll reconnect

444
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 4: at some point Yeah, yeah, you know, uh, and it'll

445
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: be with open arms when we do it.

446
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, good few, man. That's tough. I mean, families are tough.

447
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,239
Speaker 1: Love's tough. It's like the fucking space between love and

448
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: hate is about a millimeter. Yeah, you know, like some

449
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: you know, some of the ship that people say to

450
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 1: people that they love. It's fucking horrendous. Yeah, you know,

451
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's like then there there's a saying

452
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: about that someone's probably yelling at at the fucking their

453
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: phone right now. Tif do you know that the relations anyway,

454
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: it's like there, what does it say? Bedfellows or some

455
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: oldie world bullshit? All right, So I want to jump

456
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: back into you. And so we've spoken about this before,

457
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: but for those who don't know, so you you had

458
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: a few cracks at suicide. One of them, you broke

459
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: your ankle. You jumped off a bridge. What was that

460
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: bridge again, over Burwood Highway or something.

461
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: Now it was the Blackburn Road bridge over the Monash Freeway.

462
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you jumped whatever that was thirty or forty

463
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: feet because that's going to fucking sting into traffic and somehow,

464
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 1: I mean, you didn't get out of it well, but

465
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: you didn't die. I mean you clearly, dud. God does

466
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: not want you at the minute, So fucking steady on

467
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: the death stuff. He's like, bro, I kept you alive

468
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: through all that other shit so far, it's not making

469
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: a job harder. Prick, So you fucked up your ankle,

470
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: so you've had a kind of a fucked up ankle

471
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: ever since. That would seem inconsistent with elite sport. Plus

472
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: plus you know, not feeding your body properly for years

473
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: and years, plus putting toxic shit in your body for

474
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: years and years and years, and then you know a

475
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: few other probably medical things that we might not mention.

476
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's more up to you than me.

477
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: But how on earth did you even?

478
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: Like?

479
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: This gives people hope that you can have a body

480
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: that's that kind of broken and get back to the

481
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: point where you know, like when I see you now,

482
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: you look like you look like an athlete. I'm like,

483
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: how the fuck does he look like this? It's like,

484
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: you look no disrespect to other fifty four year olds.

485
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: But if I lined up one hundred and fifty four

486
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: year olds random, you would be in the top two

487
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: or three. Maybe you would be the top one, just

488
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: in terms of health, wellness, fitness, performance. I'm not talking

489
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: about you know, like you know, we're not talking about esthetics. No,

490
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: I just mean we're not talking from an ego point

491
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: of view. No, you're beautiful. Shout out to all the

492
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: beautiful people like Nick. My mum would say head like

493
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: a robber's dog. But anyway, that's what I would never

494
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: say that though. But so what what was the journey

495
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: from from? Like or bits and pieces of the journey

496
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: to get in the shape that you're in now?

497
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 4: Oh you know what it really all began, if we

498
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: trace it back, It began with your good self, mister Harms.

499
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 4: I remember coming to see you after we've done some

500
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 4: radio together. This is about fifteen years ago, I think

501
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 4: maybe even longer, and I came to see you because,

502
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 4: you know, I wanted to try and start to get

503
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 4: in shap I was overweight, I was, you know, like

504
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 4: I was not going that well even though I was,

505
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: you know, I changed my life in a lot of

506
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 4: other areas that was certainly seem to be the next thing.

507
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: And I remember you sitting there talking to me about

508
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 4: my relationship with food and how that's something that needed

509
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: to change and need to change that psychological relationship that

510
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 4: I have with food. And you also started helping me

511
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 4: to train a little bit, and that's where it all

512
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 4: began for me, you know. And I started to chip

513
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: away at my fitness and my health and slowly but surely,

514
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: it's taken me a long time, slowly but surely I've

515
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 4: transformed my body. The first transformation was back then, and

516
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 4: it happened over about I don't know, maybe a one

517
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 4: or two year period, and I lost all the weight

518
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 4: that I had on and I was doing a fair

519
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 4: bit of running and stuff. And I remember you used

520
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: to tell me about the runs you used to do

521
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 4: and you sort of land somewhere at an airport and

522
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 4: had two hours between flights, you'd be out and running

523
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: around the airport.

524
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: And I absolutely did. But I was an idiot. I

525
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: was an addict, just a different.

526
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: Addiction powers from evil to good, you know.

527
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: But it is funny, though, and this is not being disrespectful,

528
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: but when i'd expect clean in inverted commons, they often

529
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: get addicted to something else, do you know what I mean?

530
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: Like exercise or food or lollies or I remember the

531
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: ox when he got clean and inverted commas from gambling

532
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: working with him at sen and he went from not

533
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 1: smoking having like fifty a day, and then he got

534
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: off those, and then he was having twenty five coffees

535
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 1: a day, and then he got off that I don't

536
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: know if this is the right order, And he'd sit

537
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: in the studio on air with like a kilogram bag

538
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: of lollies. So then it's sugar became the thing. It's

539
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: like that personality is a motherfucker, because even though you

540
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: can change your behaviors and your habits, it's just that

541
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: drive for that dopamine release that you know, you just

542
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: you kind of just find it somewhere else. So maybe

543
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: part of that for you now is boxing right.

544
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: One hundred percent of I mean, you know, it's a

545
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: well known fact for us, those of us in the

546
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: recovery community all over the planet, by the way, millions

547
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 4: of us, is that we know emphatically that addiction is

548
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 4: not curable, right, There is no cure for addictions. So

549
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: what we do is we arrest it. We arrest it,

550
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: and then we we shift our our kind of tendencies

551
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: and our focus, our focus and our faulty patterns. We

552
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 4: just try and direct them to areas that are way

553
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,479
Speaker 4: more healthy. And it's amazing what can be achieved if

554
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: an addict gets recovering. And this is you know, I

555
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: need to sort of mention this too, especially with my boxing.

556
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 4: One of the one of the superpowers that I have

557
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: in boxing is that I'm a recovering addict. What does

558
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 4: that mean, Well, it means I'm disciplined, means I'm completely focused,

559
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: I'm obsessed, and I'm relentless because I can direct all

560
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 4: of my energy to it, and I I don't have

561
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 4: blowouts on food, and I don't get on the piss

562
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 4: because I don't drink, and I train within an inch

563
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 4: of its life relentlessly and consistently, and it produces results.

564
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: The results just come if you do that. And it's

565
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: my addictive nature that I'm using in a positive way

566
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 4: that's helped me to do that. And as I said,

567
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: you know at the beginning of this that addictive nature.

568
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: Isn't it funny that addictive nature has helped me to

569
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: find that to uncover who I am. Yes, even though

570
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: I used it for a long time to block who

571
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: I was, because that's what addictions about. Addictions about blocking

572
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 4: facing what I suspect of myself because I suspect that

573
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: I'm not good enough, that I don't fit in, and

574
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: that I'm inferior, and so I need to shift what

575
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: I think your perception is of me. That's what addiction is.

576
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 4: It's shifting your perception of me, so you don't say

577
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: the truth.

578
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: I think you've spoken about this, But obviously for a

579
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: lot of people, I mean there are different drivers and

580
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: different reasons and different contexts that people fall into addiction.

581
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: For one of the better expression, but a lot of

582
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: a lot of addiction, or some of addiction is about

583
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: avoiding feelings and avoiding thoughts of just like I take

584
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: this all of a sudden, I don't have to deal

585
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: with that. You know, the problem is still there, but

586
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm not stressed about it anymore. I'm not. But now

587
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: so we go all these years later, So you're a

588
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 1: recovering addict still with these addictive tendencies. I mean, you're

589
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: still Mike Hall. Yeah, right. You behave differently, you choose differently.

590
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: You've got a different lifestyle, you've got new habits, you've

591
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: got a different structure, you've got a different purpose and

592
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: a different focus. But still you must have to be

593
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: a where of not becoming a rational around training and boxing.

594
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: And because even that, it's like, I know there was

595
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: a time when for me training was an addiction in

596
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: a bad way, you know, like when you said running

597
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 1: around an airport. The backstory to that is I got

598
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: to I had this rule for years that I had

599
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: to run every day, and I mean every and if

600
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I didn't run every day, I would have I don't

601
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: know what I would do, but obviously got through that,

602
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: but it was totally an addiction, and I would feel depressed,

603
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: I would hate myself, I would all of these things.

604
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: So I remember flying from Melbourne to LA and I

605
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: remember not like figuring out the time from when I

606
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: left home to I got to Melbourne airport to getting

607
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: on the plane, sitting there for fourteen hours whatever then

608
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, fuck, I'm going to have about half

609
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: an hour. Like if I'm not running within half an hour,

610
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fit in a run within twenty

611
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: four hours. I know it's totally irrational, and some people

612
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: go you, I'm like, oh, yeah, I was irrational as fuck.

613
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: So I literally got changed five minutes after I got

614
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: because I had a layover. I was going to Louisiana,

615
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 1: and I had like two hours to wait, and yeah,

616
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I ran. I ran out the fucking front door of

617
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: the airport. I ran through that lax car port car park,

618
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: just sucked in all the carbon monoxide equal to what

619
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: I'd ever consumed in my life. And I ran for

620
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: an hour and I literally at times was almost just

621
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: running in circles because you couldn't go that far, you know,

622
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm running, and I'm like and then when I finished,

623
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: this is how I know I was an addict. Oh,

624
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: it was just like this overwhelm of relief and all

625
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: the anxiety went, so, you know, and then oh god,

626
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 1: I've done it now I don't have to do it

627
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: for and I knew from then I'd be fine because

628
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: I've mapped it. Like, yeah, so anything, even healthy things,

629
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: can become mentally and emotionally unhealthy depending on our relationship

630
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: with that thing.

631
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,320
Speaker 4: Right, absolutely absolutely, And yeah, look, I mean I still

632
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: you know, one of the outstanding characteristics of addiction is

633
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: you know, defective or poor impulse control, and and and

634
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 4: you know, like a really sort of messy judgment, you know,

635
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: and and so those things are still very very much

636
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 4: damaged within me, you know, and It takes a lot

637
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 4: of work for me too, you know, and I've got

638
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 4: to put many sort of strategies in place to help

639
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 4: control that that impulse and that poor judgment and you

640
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: know all that sort of stuff. So yeah, it takes

641
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 4: a it can be a bit of a job, but

642
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 4: it's it's worth it.

643
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: Though, do you think do you think now about when

644
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: you hang up the glove, Like, because you love competing,

645
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: I know you've got a fight coming up very soon.

646
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: If you could have a fight every weekend, I think

647
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: you'd fucking do it. But like, there's going to come

648
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: a time where, for a myriad of reasons, it's just

649
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: intelligent to stop getting punched in the face. I know

650
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: you do more punching than you get punched as a rule,

651
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: but still beautiful. So you know, well look at you,

652
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: Brad Pitt, you motherfucker. But just trying to anticipate that,

653
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: deal with that and transition into that whatever that is

654
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: in a healthy way. Like I remember when I got

655
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: out of personal training kind of officially when I sold,

656
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 1: When I got out of all of my gyms, right,

657
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: I had and I thought I couldn't wait for it

658
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: because I just wanted to do other shit, And I'm like, oh,

659
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: if I have to adjust another bike seat or go

660
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: three more, two more, one more again, I fucking hate it. Right,

661
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: But when I got out, I missed it so so much,

662
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: Like there was just this gaping chasm and all I

663
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 1: wanted to do was open another gym. It took me.

664
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: I'd been doing that for thirty years. Yeah, it's like

665
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: you need to.

666
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's got to be a transition out, doesn't.

667
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: The one hundred percent And you need to be mentally

668
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: and ready emotionally ready for that, you know. And I

669
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: think a lot of people even though it's frustrating and hard,

670
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: Like a friend of mine just withdrew from they were

671
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: having some challenges and they withdrew from. Of course, they're

672
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: doing a degree that they're doing that's been going on

673
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: for three or four years, and nearly at the finish line,

674
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: just went, oh fuck, could I hate this? It's not

675
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: worth it. I hate it so much. They withdrew and

676
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: like now four weeks later, absolutely devastated. All they wanted

677
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: to do was stop doing it. Yeah, now they hate

678
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: themselves that they stop doing it.

679
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I understand. I completely understand, and I've had

680
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: lots of thoughts. I mean, you know, the sport that

681
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: I'm doing, as Tiff knows all too well, I mean,

682
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 4: it's extremely dangerous, especially as you get older. I mean

683
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 4: is at any age, but as you get older, like

684
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: you said, you know, like we're talking about two humans

685
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 4: that are in there, and you know, you are focused

686
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: on doing damage to another human and they're focused on that,

687
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: and we're testing our skills. So there does come a

688
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 4: time where you know it's it is silly to keep

689
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 4: going and the damage and we could cross a line

690
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: where maybe there's no turning back, you know, in terms

691
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 4: of physical damage. And look, I'm continually monitoring that myself,

692
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 4: and I've been asking this question myself for a couple

693
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 4: of years now, like how am I going to stop?

694
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: And when am I going to stop? And when am

695
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: I going to be ready? And I had to get

696
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 4: to that point of just going, well, I don't know

697
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: when I'm going to be ready, but I just know

698
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: that I'm not ready yet. And then and now though,

699
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 4: I'm moving into a phase where I'm looking for the signs,

700
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 4: you know, and and one of the signs is that yes,

701
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: I've got a fight coming up. On the eighteenth of April,

702
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: at the Q Room and it's for the state title again, Okay,

703
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 4: but it doesn't really excite me, right, But what excites

704
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: me is the guy that I'm fighting. Because the guy

705
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 4: that I'm fighting has always been two or three steps

706
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 4: ahead of me in development. He's what I would call

707
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: the top of.

708
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: The tree for me, Just for me, he'd be the

709
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: top of the tree.

710
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 4: But he injured himself a year ago and he was

711
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 4: out for a year. And I've kept fighting, and I

712
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: think the gap between us has closedow so, and so

713
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 4: that is the exciting part about this fight for me.

714
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 4: That's made me hungry for it again, and that's made

715
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 4: me double down on what I'm doing, my preparation and

716
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: everything else. But after that, you know, it's funny how

717
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 4: things start to happen, and you know when you start

718
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 4: to ask these questions. And my youngest daughter, Faith, who's twenty,

719
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 4: I got this phone call about month and a half again,

720
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 4: I said my dad. I said, yes, Love said, can

721
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 4: you teach me boxing? I said, are you serious? She

722
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 4: said yeah? I said right, meet me at the gym.

723
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 4: Fit Life, Jim Infirnitry Goali meet me at the gym

724
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: on Saturday morning at ten o'clock and I'll start training

725
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 4: it and no winging and any bullshit, okay, dad. So

726
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 4: she met me there at ten o'clock the next weekend,

727
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 4: and she fucking loves it, loves it. So I started

728
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 4: training her. And then another girl that I fight with,

729
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 4: she's a fighter as well. She's forty years old. Her

730
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: names Jasmine, So Jazzy. We've been through a lot of

731
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 4: our boxing journey together, and Jazzy, you know, I wanted

732
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 4: to help, you know, sort of technically with their boxing

733
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: and that sort of stuff. And so I started training

734
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 4: Jazzy on a Saturday. So next thing, I've got Jazzy

735
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 4: and I've got Faith, my daughter that I'm training on

736
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 4: Saturday mornings. And it just so happens about two or

737
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 4: so weeks ago, there's another young girl at the gym,

738
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 4: Shane and Jimmy is just turned fifteen years old and

739
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: just wants to fight. Wow, let's see so much potential

740
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 4: in her. She's so much potential. And so I said, well, Shana,

741
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 4: you better be here Saturday morning, no bullshit, be ready

742
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 4: to rock and roll. And next thing, I've got a

743
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: team of three.

744
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: Look at you, dude, You're going to be the next

745
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: cast tomato. Yeah, well, you know, it's.

746
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: The transition out of fighting myself, you know.

747
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll become a coach, so you're still going to

748
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: be living and breathing, and that'll probably keep you on

749
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: some kind of life support, emotional life support. I wanted

750
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: this is a weird question, but I've just been interested

751
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 1: about this. I don't think I've ever asked you, but

752
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: when did you When was your last trip, your last tree?

753
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: What age were you when you left Her Majesty's back

754
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: then it was Her Majesty's care for the final time.

755
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: How old were you I was?

756
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 4: I think I was twenty eight? Okay, yeah, either twenty

757
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: eight or twenty nine.

758
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: And the first time you went into juvie was like

759
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: what you were fifteen or something?

760
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 4: Or first time I was in like children's court and

761
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: was assigned probation offices I was. I think I was fourteen?

762
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: Right, well done, Well you were, you were consistent, gave

763
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: it a crack. But so I remember you saying to me,

764
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: so like, for fourteen years, in and out, on and off,

765
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: you were kind of in that kind of space ish yep.

766
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: I remember you saying to me something like and this

767
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: was probably ten years ago. I remember where it was.

768
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: It was upstairs, was at my gym, it was anyway.

769
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: You said something like, I'm like a twelve year old

770
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: trapped in a forty year old body because you missed

771
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 1: a lot of development. You missed a lot of just

772
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 1: being an adult and making decisions and cooking your dinner

773
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: and paying the rent and doing all the things that

774
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: kids like. You missed a lot of that, which is

775
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 1: nobody's fault but your own, of course, But you missed

776
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: a lot of that normal kind of teenage young adults

777
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 1: not so young adult development, and so you've almost had

778
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: to learn how to be a grown up when you

779
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: were thirty. I was in a time warp. I was

780
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: in a time warp.

781
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: Imagine somebody in the early two thousands still wearing fucking

782
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: footy shorts from the nineteen seventies with a footy jumper

783
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: with collars on it. That's kind of what it's like,

784
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 4: you know, Like, what did all this change about thirty

785
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 4: years ago? Mate? I was out of touch with everything,

786
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 4: you know, and and emotionally I was a thirty year

787
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 4: old man, but emotionally I was probably eleven or twelve.

788
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 4: So in every concept, in every way, you can think of,

789
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 4: you know, like I'm talking tantrums. I'm talking like screaming tantrums,

790
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 4: throwing your mobile phone because they just come out there.

791
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: And I couldn't believe I had this mobile phone in

792
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 4: the end, and Telstra weren't being nice to me, so

793
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 4: I smashed my phone. He kicked it down the road

794
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 4: and abused everyone that came near me. So, you know,

795
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: there was all these tantrums. There was just you know,

796
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 4: fall in love at the drop of a hat and

797
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: then be obsessed with people, and it was just it

798
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 4: was madness, you know, madness. I was out of control

799
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 4: emotionally and psychological and an image, unable to cope with

800
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 4: anything at all in life because I didn't have the

801
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 4: emotional or psychological tools or capabilities. And what I've had

802
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 4: to do in my life in recovery. So when I

803
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 4: say my life in recovery, I meant from thirty to

804
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 4: fifty four about to turn fifty five, is I've had

805
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: to learn how to live in the world as maybe

806
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 4: people learned that weren't addicts and seemed to be able

807
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 4: to do it naturally through the course of time. So

808
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 4: I've had to relive all of that and it's taking me.

809
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: I'm about to turn fifty five. Look here, I am

810
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 4: boxing and doing what I'm doing, and I still feel

811
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 4: like i'm you know, I wish. I wish, oh man,

812
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 4: I wish that I could be twenty five again, because

813
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 4: I just want to be a boxer and an athlete.

814
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 4: That's all I want to do. I don't want do

815
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 4: anything else. Some boxer and an athlete. And in my mind,

816
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 4: I still am, but it's going to end because my

817
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: body just can't keep doing it.

818
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you come out of that that world

819
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: of incarceration and you step into the world where you

820
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: can do whatever you want, when you want, with no screws,

821
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: no one looking over your shoulder, no one telling you

822
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: when to eat, when to shit, when to shower up

823
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: like you've just you've gone from zero freedom to complete freedom.

824
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: That's just something that must be very hard to handle

825
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: without blowing up.

826
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 4: Well, it's confusing because I don't know what to do, yes,

827
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 4: you know, and I've got nothing to do. But I

828
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 4: want to have something to do, but I don't have

829
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,399
Speaker 4: anything to do, and I don't know what to do, you.

830
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Know, And it's just confusing at first, and it's almost

831
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: like that's the stage with I don't mean this sound funny.

832
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: That's the stage where you need a parent. Yeah you

833
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean, right, Like if we were friends,

834
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: then I would have been your shudo dad for a while.

835
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: You still are up all the way, but yeah, do

836
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: you know what's funny about you is whenever I'm with you,

837
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: like you are what you are. You're this tough guy

838
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: that you've owned multiple businesses, you've done well, you've worked

839
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: in radio, You've fucking won state titles, national titles, You've

840
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: done all this shit. But when you and I are together,

841
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: you're almost like the student. It's like fucking mister Miyagi

842
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: and the karate kid. You just sit there and soak

843
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,479
Speaker 1: it up. I know, you know. And I'm not trying

844
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: to fucking tell you what to do or how to

845
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: do it, because yesterday I went to you, dude, you

846
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: are You've been talking to me about writing a book

847
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: and getting on stage for fucking ten years and you're

848
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: just kidding yourself and you're never going to do it.

849
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: In a minute, you'll be sixty and you won't have

850
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: done it, and the gates closed, and you're like so,

851
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: and I went, this is what I think you should

852
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: do for you and you went, Okay, I mean let's

853
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: do it. Want sign Yeah, because I don't want to

854
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: see you waste your talent, you know, like, and I'm

855
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: only saying that because I know you want to do it.

856
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: It's not my idea, it's your idea. Yeah. My idea is, well,

857
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: let's fucking start bugger lugs. And so this is what

858
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 1: I'm excited to thank you. Yeah, I know I've been

859
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: wasting your talent. I'm such a greeting I've been hijacking

860
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: that fucking talent. But this is what I'm excited talking about.

861
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: You know, being late starter is going all right, Well,

862
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: at fifty five, we're going to open the door on

863
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: developing Mick as a speaker, just like TIFFs opened the

864
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: door a few years ago. And she's a different person

865
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: and like her knowledge, her skill, her stage awareness, her

866
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: it's like she's made ten years progress in three years.

867
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 2: Right.

868
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I'm excited to see because you are

869
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,400
Speaker 1: You're already in front of groups all the time because

870
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:03,240
Speaker 1: you work in you know, rehab, and you're always telling

871
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: you stories and you're obviously very comforty and comfortable on

872
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: a podcast and blah, blah blah blah blah. But then

873
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: to create a version of you that's going to stand

874
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: on a stage in a corporate environment where no one

875
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: necessarily knows you or likes you. They don't dislike you,

876
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: they just don't fucking know you, and they don't care

877
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: if you crash and burn or you're brilliant. They're just

878
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: sitting there, you know. So it's a different environment, it's

879
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: a different energy, it's a different context, it's a different

880
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: skill set. But I know, like when you saw that

881
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: fifteen year old and you went, oh, this girl could

882
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: be a great athlete because you just know she's got

883
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: I look at you and there's no one like you

884
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: doing what Tiff does. But there's no one you know,

885
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: And she's got a different kind of energy and story

886
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: on stage as well, like because she's not coming in

887
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: and going I'm a gurg at business, right yea, And

888
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: so she's got a different angle. But your angle is

889
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: like everybody is addicted to something, you know, and if

890
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: you're not an addict, well you definitely know ten so

891
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: and there's probably four in your life, not necessarily drug

892
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: addicts or alcoholics, but you know, so I'm excited to

893
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: see that development, and now that we've spoken about it publicly,

894
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 1: you better fucking do the work made.

895
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 4: I will be doing the work I am. I am absolutely,

896
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 4: you know it terrifies me. I want to do it.

897
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 4: It's like a lot of things. You love the idea, right,

898
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 4: but then when the reality comes, where do you stand now?

899
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 4: One of the things through boxing that I wanted to

900
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 4: prove to myself is that, yeah, I can have the

901
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 4: great idea that when reality comes, I want to be

902
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 4: the guy that says I'm doing this and I do

903
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 4: it anyway, no matter how scared I am whatever, and

904
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 4: I'm I'm dedicated.

905
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: Man.

906
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 4: I want to do it.

907
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: You know.

908
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 4: I just know it's in me, It's in my heart

909
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 4: that it's certainly a direction that I need to go now.

910
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: But I've needed someone like Uncle Harps to, you know,

911
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 4: wrap some structure around me and go, hey, Dick, here,

912
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 4: this is fucking do it. And I'll help you put

913
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 4: that together and push that along.

914
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say, we'll see, yeah, Okay, we'll see.

915
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: We'll see.

916
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 4: He's so hard, Tiffany, he's so hard on me.

917
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, good story mate, it's good on a podcast.

918
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: We'll see get back to me in a year, Tiff,

919
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: you look like he's all flat. Now, well, am I

920
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: being honest with you?

921
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: That's why you're chosen?

922
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I tell people all the time if

923
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: you want to cheer, if you want to cheer squad

924
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: or fucking someone to tell you you're amazing when you're not,

925
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: don't come to me. I'll tell you the ship that's real. Like,

926
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: you can't be objective about you, You're you. You look

927
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: like you're going to say something in there a minute

928
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: or two ago. Am I getting that wrong?

929
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 3: Now?

930
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: How's your development? Like, do you feel like you've developed

931
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: a lot in the last three years since you kind

932
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: of or however long it is kind of opened the

933
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: door on standing in front of humans for money. Obviously

934
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: it's much more than that, but you know, ultimately it's

935
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: a job as well.

936
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it got to the point for

937
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 2: me where I was like why I wanted to learn

938
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 2: about the things that I didn't know that I didn't know,

939
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: you know, so I did courses with other people, I

940
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: went and hung around other people, doing things different ways

941
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 2: than what's comfortable to me. And even this last speaking

942
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 2: engagement up in Cans, like there was an amazing opportunity,

943
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: and I wasn't happy with it, but I didn't fail.

944
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 2: And I was like, well, that's the best outcome to

945
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: have some lessons, not fail in the middle of having

946
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: some lessons and some new environments to have to process.

947
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: That's right. And you you reef you can. You're not

948
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: pretending you did awesome when I think you rated yourself

949
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: for six or something or whatever. So you didn't do bad,

950
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: you didn't do great, but you go away going wow,

951
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: I've got a really good experience. I've got lots of

952
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: interaction with other speakers. I know what I do differently.

953
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: It's like losing a fight, right, or it's like whatever,

954
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, where you go. Fuck. I learned twenty five things.

955
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: Now I've got to operationalize those put them into practice,

956
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: Like you can't get better by not speaking. And that's

957
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: part of the thing, is that there's that emotional and

958
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:34,240
Speaker 1: psychological vulnerability where you are literally opening up to hundreds

959
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 1: of people that you don't know, knowing that you might

960
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 1: fuck up. Right, that's fucking bravery. I mean that is coage,

961
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, And I think that's that's the thing that

962
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: I put up a thing yesterday which said something like

963
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: being static in a dynamic world doesn't It doesn't work.

964
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: It's a problem, right, And the thing is that we

965
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: do live in a dynamic world. Everything's changing, things, things

966
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: happen all the time that we don't want to the

967
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: world's uncertain, uncomfortable, unfamiliar, all that shit, all the uns

968
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: as I talk about, that's not gonna avoid you. So

969
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: you need to know that there's going to be shit

970
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: coming and you're going to be ready or not. And

971
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: how do you be ready? Will you train well in

972
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: this context? How do you train? Will you start speaking

973
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: to groups? And you might be one out of ten?

974
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: I talked about my first ever twenty six I was

975
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: got paid fifty bucks in a timbard to talk to

976
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: all these blokes. They fucking hated me, like they couldn't

977
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: get out of there quick enough. I was dog shit.

978
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 1: I got paid fifty bucks and I fucking loved it.

979
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: I loved it. I'm like, this is the best I knew.

980
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: I was shit because every bit of while I didn't

981
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 1: get feedback. They just brushed past me. And I'm like, Okay,

982
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: I was crap, but I don't know why. Like with you, Mick,

983
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 1: I know I can win a title. I was like,

984
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: I know I can do this. I know I'm shit

985
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 1: right now. And that's not self clothing, that's self awareness.

986
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: Good now. No, it's like, could I go get a

987
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: jiu jitsu black belt if I wanted to commit for

988
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: ten years? Which I don't, But if I did, Yes,

989
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: would I be fucking horrible at it at the start?

990
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: Of course? Would I be somewhat shit in a year? Yes?

991
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: Would I have some skills an aptitude in two or

992
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: three yes, you know, and then maybe in five years

993
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit dangerous than in ten years I'm

994
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: a black belt. But I've got to go through either

995
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: the literal white belt or the metaphoric white belt in

996
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: your case, building businesses, becoming a boxer, tip, becoming a speaker.

997
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: This is a stage, the white belt phases, the phase

998
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: that people want to avoid because everyone wants to look

999
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: good and be good. They want to be at the

1000
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: top of the mountain. They just don't want to fucking climb.

1001
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: They want to black belt for nothing. Yeah, it's like, dude,

1002
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, you suck. That doesn't mean you're a

1003
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: bad human, that doesn't mean you're without potential, But you

1004
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: can't you can't move past that level of skill or

1005
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: confidence or competence without sucking and without being courageous. Yeah,

1006
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 1: because it's you know, getting in a boxing ring. You

1007
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: both know, I don't know, but it requires immense courage.

1008
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: Like nobody, even even the champions, they don't get in

1009
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: they're relaxed. I mean maybe the odd one. But you know,

1010
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: I remember watching Tony Lockett one hundred years ago at

1011
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: some Kilda. I shouldn't say this, but anyway, fuck it,

1012
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: but I could tell you more, but I will say

1013
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: he was very nervous before games and he was arguably,

1014
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: well he's the greatest goalkicker of all time in the

1015
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: AFL in one hundred and forty years of AFL, he's

1016
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: the best full forward of all time. And I would

1017
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: see him spew every second game before the game, so nervous,

1018
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 1: so nervous. And this was when he was a champion,

1019
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, and like because he was scared or nervous

1020
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: or all those normal human things. Yeah, then it would

1021
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: go out there and be scared and courageous like encourage

1022
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: It's well, you can only be courageous if you're scared. Yeah,

1023
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: that's right. Like if it's comfortable, well, we don't require courage.

1024
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: If there's no risk, we don't require courage. So correct, Well,

1025
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: it's been a good chat. It's we're an hour in

1026
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: if any parting words, I know we've left you out

1027
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: of a bit, but any wisdom that you.

1028
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 2: Want to and I always love to sit back and

1029
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: just bask in a little boxing talk.

1030
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: So thanks, Mick. That was a what would have.

1031
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: To happen for you to get what would have to happen?

1032
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: Sorry mix, sorry t if for you to have to

1033
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: get back in the ring or is there no chance? Me? Yes?

1034
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: Oh, just my energy right now, I'm just battling, not recovering,

1035
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 2: Like I just want to get back to being able

1036
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: to train, and I'm still battling that.

1037
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: So your physical energy is shit at the mean super Yeah.

1038
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 2: Occasionally I've gone and done a half an hour light

1039
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 2: class every now and then and.

1040
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 3: That just knocks me for six. You know, it's ridiculous,

1041
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: It's really fucking annoying. If I'm honest, I'd be in

1042
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 3: there at heartbeat.

1043
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: Mick.

1044
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd love you to come down to add Jim

1045
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 4: and do a little bit of training with and a

1046
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 4: little bit of sparrow with one of certainly one of

1047
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 4: the girls, Jasmine actually one of our girls that we've

1048
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 4: got down there. Would be just awesome to have someone

1049
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 4: like you come down and give her some experience and

1050
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 4: some her yeah, give us some training would be it

1051
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 4: would be awesome. So if you ever ever you know,

1052
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 4: up for coming down to fit life in Furniture Gully

1053
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 4: at some stage, we'd love to have you and we'd

1054
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 4: look after you.

1055
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: I'm working on my recovery.

1056
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 2: If someone out there wants to fix my energy, come

1057
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: on in.

1058
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 1: And all else fails. If that fails, you could teach

1059
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: you how to do a front double bicep and a

1060
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 1: lat spread.

1061
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: What you know, I'm not too good at that though, haf.

1062
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: No, you're you're a little bit special when it comes

1063
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 1: to doing the lat spread. Even when she does a

1064
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: front double bicep. We're talk on bodybuilding now. Hey mate,

1065
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: it's been great to talk to you. Congrats, we appreciate you.

1066
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: You're a winner. And lets uh, let's see how this

1067
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: speaking career unfolds over the next year or two.

1068
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 4: It's exciting.

1069
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: We'll see

1070
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: Are you killing me