WEBVTT - Amy Remeikis on what the election should be about

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Alberanzi. He started his campaign in Peter Dutton's seat

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<v Speaker 1>of Dixon, which was absolutely a message to the opposition

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<v Speaker 1>leader that labor is coming for him, that they're not

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<v Speaker 1>worried about him. It's very messy girl politics, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think quite a few people appreciated.

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<v Speaker 2>As the Prime minister kicked off his election campaign. Chief

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<v Speaker 2>political analyst at the Australia Institute, Amy Remichez was watching

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<v Speaker 2>and does she heard Abenezi announce that he'd cracked down

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<v Speaker 2>on the supermarkets and the opposition leader Peter Dutton talk

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<v Speaker 2>about petrol prices. She was frustrated.

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<v Speaker 1>Both political parties are focusing on the here and now,

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<v Speaker 1>neither are dealing with any of the wider existential questions

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<v Speaker 1>that Australians are grappling with. So they have narrowed the

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<v Speaker 1>parameters of the campaign to basically just a cost of

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<v Speaker 1>living crisis. An individual desire to be able to feed

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<v Speaker 1>your family, afford housing and get by in life. And

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<v Speaker 1>while they are very import important, of course, standard of

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<v Speaker 1>living is exceptionally important. I think that most Australians are

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<v Speaker 1>quite hungry for political leaders to react to what they

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<v Speaker 1>are seeing, which is yes, their own individual situations, but

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<v Speaker 1>also just what is happening in the world, because it's quite.

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<v Speaker 2>Scary, from climate change to Australia's alliances. Amy says, our

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<v Speaker 2>leaders are failing to talk about the things that will

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<v Speaker 2>impact us for generations, and voters are noticing. From Schwartz Media,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am today. Amy remiicus

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<v Speaker 2>on the big questions we should be asking our politicians

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<v Speaker 2>right now and what happens if we fail to. It's Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>April one. Amy. The last election in twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 2>was the climate election. We had Labor the tills and

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<v Speaker 2>of course the Greens explicitly campaigning on the promise of

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<v Speaker 2>addressing the climate crisis. The crisis is not fixed. So

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<v Speaker 2>why do you think it is that we are not

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<v Speaker 2>hearing about it now as we head into another election.

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<v Speaker 1>I think partly we're not hearing about it because neither

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<v Speaker 1>political party has a good message to tell here. The

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<v Speaker 1>Coalition don't have a climate policy at all that they

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<v Speaker 1>can speak to. They've recently come out with a new

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<v Speaker 1>gas policy, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Starting from the end of this finane of this calendar year,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the ability to bring a lot of gas

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<v Speaker 3>into the system. So that we can see that down

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<v Speaker 3>with pressure not just on gas but on electricity prices

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got this fantasy that nuclear is going to come

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<v Speaker 1>along and sold everything, but we all know that that

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<v Speaker 1>is not true on any measure that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>measure it. So the Coalition don't have a story to

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<v Speaker 1>tell there. Labor have a slightly better story, but they

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<v Speaker 1>also don't have a great one. So Labor is still

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<v Speaker 1>relying on fossil fuels. That also includes opening up new

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<v Speaker 1>gas fields. They're already starting the exploration of those. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think that it pays for the political parties,

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<v Speaker 1>the major political parties, not to talk about climate change

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<v Speaker 1>because they don't actually have any story to tell. But

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<v Speaker 1>I still think that it is a pretty big issue

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<v Speaker 1>for a lot of Australians. We are seeing worsening impacts

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<v Speaker 1>of climate change. We're still dealing with the impacts of

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<v Speaker 1>Cyclone Alfred in Queensland. There is a massive flooding in

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<v Speaker 1>southwest Queensland as we speak, which is having a huge

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<v Speaker 1>impact on Grazia's We're talking about resilience, but we're spending

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<v Speaker 1>way more money in disaster response than we are preparing

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<v Speaker 1>communities for what is coming, but our politicians don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to respond because it doesn't actually play for the political

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<v Speaker 1>leaders to talk about it, because then they'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with the reasons as to why they're not

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<v Speaker 1>acting on it. I wonder, though, what your thoughts are

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<v Speaker 1>on which way around this is. Is it the case

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<v Speaker 1>that politicians are responding to what they think voters want,

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<v Speaker 1>which is this kind of focus on cost of living

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<v Speaker 1>and their personal situations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, it's a tricky one, right because when

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<v Speaker 1>you speak to party strategists, they're talking about the focus

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<v Speaker 1>groups where everyone is talking about inflation and their impact,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's from the inner city seats where you might

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<v Speaker 1>have people complaining that they can only afford to go

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<v Speaker 1>on a domestic holiday this year instead of an international one,

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down to the more crucial issues with inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>which is people not being able to afford housing, food

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<v Speaker 1>on the table, looking at having to take extra jobs

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<v Speaker 1>in order to maintain a standard of living that previous

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<v Speaker 1>generations took for granted. So obviously cost of living is

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<v Speaker 1>overwhelmingly individually what everybody is folks focussing on. But at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, that doesn't mean that voters are not

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on these giant existential issues which are coming for Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone can see the worstening impacts of climate Everyone can

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<v Speaker 1>see that the geopolitical situation is exceptionally unstable. Everyone can

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<v Speaker 1>see that. You know, there is a shift across a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of our allied nations towards more authoritarian and far

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<v Speaker 1>right policies which are going to have impacts on Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>even US all the way down here on the other

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<v Speaker 1>end of the world. And if you don't have politicians

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<v Speaker 1>respond to that, you're just going to see more voters

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<v Speaker 1>become disenfranchised with their institutions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, where is the conversation about that? We've seen just

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<v Speaker 2>last week one of the most significant security breaches in memory.

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<v Speaker 2>A journalist was led into a group chat where senior

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<v Speaker 2>US officials, including the Vice President Jed E. Vance, we

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<v Speaker 2>organizing strikes on houthy targets. So what are the broader

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<v Speaker 2>implications of this moment for Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>The broader implications is that Australia cannot trust the United

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<v Speaker 1>States with its information. We cannot trust the United States

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<v Speaker 1>with the intelligence that we pump through it as a

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<v Speaker 1>member of the Five Eyes network. There is so many

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<v Speaker 1>security implications to this breach because this is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that we know about because the journalist wrote about it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, who knows what other foreign actors may have

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<v Speaker 1>access to American information because we've seen this US administration

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<v Speaker 1>already start to cozy up more to Russia than previous administrations.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, Russia is not an ally of Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is huge, not just in the security world,

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<v Speaker 1>but in terms of how Australia treats its relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. And so far we're not actually any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of response from our leaders where we're going, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to start actually questioning this, We need to

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<v Speaker 1>actually start being aware of what is happening with this shift,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is not normal. We have the Albanasy Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Party saying, hey, we think the relationship can withstand different leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we have Peter Dutton's coalition saying, actually, we

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<v Speaker 1>think we can get along better with Donald Trump than

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<v Speaker 1>Labor can. And I don't think that that's what a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of Australians are thinking that they want from their

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<v Speaker 1>leaders at this.

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<v Speaker 4>Point in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up after the break, how Dutton and Albanezi should

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<v Speaker 2>be talking about Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you think that Dutton and Albanesi could have

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation about how to reposition Australia now that the

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<v Speaker 2>United States is no longer a reliable ally. How could

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<v Speaker 2>they have that conversation without putting Australian industry in peril? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we often phrase this about like not annoying America,

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<v Speaker 2>not putting you know, our industry in peril because of

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<v Speaker 2>the connections to America, and then you look at what Canada,

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<v Speaker 2>which is much closer geographically to America, which has much

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<v Speaker 2>stronger trade ties. I think there was about eight hundred

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<v Speaker 2>billion that went between the two nations in trade that

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<v Speaker 2>are absolutely muscle up to the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the new Prime Minister Mark Carney, he basically

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<v Speaker 1>refused to take Donald Trump's call because he just said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump is not an ally at the moment. The

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<v Speaker 1>old relationship we had with the United States, based on

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<v Speaker 1>deepening integration of our economies and tight security and military

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<v Speaker 1>cooperations is over. And literally came out and spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>the Canadian people. But exactly the United States does next

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<v Speaker 1>is unclear. But what is clear. What is clear is

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<v Speaker 1>that we as Canadians have agency, we have power. Since then,

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump has been quite conciliatory to Canada and has

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<v Speaker 1>promised to open up dialogue over the tariffs and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Australia is not in a position to do

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<v Speaker 1>as much as Canada has, particularly when it comes to trade,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is because we're in a trade deficit with

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. But that doesn't mean that there are

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<v Speaker 1>not other markets that would take Australian product, and there

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<v Speaker 1>are so many other nations that need what Australia has.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia is just kind of stuck in this oh it's

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<v Speaker 1>the United States or nobody mentality, when that's not true.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in a strategic relationship with the United States

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<v Speaker 1>through the Orcus Deal, which basically locks us into America's

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<v Speaker 1>military plans. We're basically just capitulating and just saying, please, America,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be mad at us. And I do not think

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<v Speaker 1>that is the way that you move forward in this

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<v Speaker 1>geopolitical space.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's another factor here, Amy, and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>media and their responsibility to hold politicians to account. But

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<v Speaker 2>what we've been seeing over the past few weeks is

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<v Speaker 2>politicians engaging less with journalists and more with influencers and

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<v Speaker 2>online content creators. Labor even flew some podcasters to Camber

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<v Speaker 2>to be in the budget lockup. So tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>the thinking is here and whether this will have an impact.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the influencers and content creators and new media being

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<v Speaker 1>in the budget lock up isn't actually new. They also

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<v Speaker 1>did it last year, so just nobody was paying attention

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<v Speaker 1>because we weren't, you know, in an election campaign then.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course the Trump election turbocharged everything we think

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<v Speaker 1>we know about new media because Trump didn't pay any

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<v Speaker 1>attention to legacy media and just focused on podcasts, online

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<v Speaker 1>influences and those in the new media space. But we're

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<v Speaker 1>also seeing that shift in Australia and have for some

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<v Speaker 1>time where we have you know, new media outlets emerging,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're attracting an audience, and that's why politicians are

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<v Speaker 1>going to them. Politicians aren't going to them to be

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<v Speaker 1>cool or to be the head of the curve. Politicians

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<v Speaker 1>go where the audience is. And you know, these new

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<v Speaker 1>media voices that we're seeing emerging, be it on social

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<v Speaker 1>media or podcasts, they are winning an audience, particularly of

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<v Speaker 1>younger people, so people under forty, and they are picking

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<v Speaker 1>up on that trend where people are not going to

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<v Speaker 1>legacy media anymore. And so of course we're all freaking

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<v Speaker 1>out about it because it's change, but it's still serving

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<v Speaker 1>an audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. But the counterpoint here, I suppose, is that an

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<v Speaker 2>influencer might not come to a political interview with the

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<v Speaker 2>same critical lens as a journalist. They might not hold

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<v Speaker 2>a party leader to account in the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would say that, you know, we've seen plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of interviews and legacy media where you could say exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. You could turn on to GB and

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<v Speaker 1>not see, you know, a political leader being held to account.

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<v Speaker 1>You can turn to Sky News and not see a

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<v Speaker 1>political leader being held to account. You can turn on

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<v Speaker 1>the ABC and perhaps see things that you know look

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<v Speaker 1>like someone's being held to account, but not necessarily are

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<v Speaker 1>might be somebody else framing the talking points. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>to say that media doesn't have a role and that

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<v Speaker 1>critical thinking is not very important. But I think the

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<v Speaker 1>skepticism that is coming to legacy media is coming because

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<v Speaker 1>audiences don't feel that they are holding political leaders to account.

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<v Speaker 1>I think people will at least find it a little

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<v Speaker 1>refreshing that they know the position that the interviewer is

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<v Speaker 1>starting from in those cases, whereas in legacy media, we're

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<v Speaker 1>all still pretending that none of us have biases or

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts outside of that one particular interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Amy, thank you so much for your time, Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for having me. Also in the news today, Australian authorities

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<v Speaker 2>are monitoring a Chinese spy ship sitting off the coast

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<v Speaker 2>in the Great Australian Bite. Anthony Albanezi has confirmed. The

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<v Speaker 2>Prime Minister said he'd prefer that it wasn't there, but

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<v Speaker 2>that it will continue to be monitored as it returns

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<v Speaker 2>towards China. The research vessel is capable of exploring depths

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<v Speaker 2>of up to ten thousand meters and is thought to

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<v Speaker 2>be used for intelligence gathering and scientific research, and Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump will try to seek a third term as president

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States, despite the Constitution explicitly stating that

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<v Speaker 2>no person shall be elected to the office of the

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<v Speaker 2>president more than twice. In an interview with NBC News,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump said he's not joking about the plan and

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<v Speaker 2>says there are methods to make it happen, without stating

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<v Speaker 2>what they are. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening.